Ethanol Free Gas Stations

[edmscan]

Came across this website: http://pure-gas.org

and thought that someone here would be interested. I know that it was interesting to me ... in hope to get maybe better gas mileage. :thumbup:

Be sure to change to your state/province at the bottom area of the screen.

[b20vteg]

awesome! too bad none of the cities listed are close to me at all :thumbdown:

anyone know how good costco gas is?

[edmscan]

I see that ALL the stations in my area are Octane 91 (which of course is like 10 cents / liter or 38 cents a US gallon more). So the big question is ..

Is it worth it (as far as getting better fuel economy) to put 91 octane gas in a Yaris when Toyota I believe only requires 87 octane ?

Is there any possible damage (other than to your wallet) in using 91 octane gas in a Yaris ?

I can handle the financial difference .. as long as there is some benefit to running a higher octane gasoline.

Anyone have any thoughts ?

[edmscan]

anyone know how good costco gas is?

I did see a Costco 91 Octane in the listing ... don't know if that's what you wanted to know.

[eTiMaGo]

I see that ALL the stations in my area are Octane 91 (which of course is like 10 cents / liter or 38 cents a US gallon more). So the big question is ..

Is it worth it (as far as getting better fuel economy) to put 91 octane gas in a Yaris when Toyota I believe only requires 87 octane ?

It's been tested many times, nope...

Is there any possible damage (other than to your wallet) in using 91 octane gas in a Yaris ?

nope...

I can handle the financial difference .. as long as there is some benefit to running a higher octane gasoline.

Anyone have any thoughts ?

Theoretically, the only advantage you would have is when you rev the engine at very high RPMs, the ECU could apply a higher spark advance and thus make a little more power... But I have not personally seen any evidence for this...

[Klink10]

Been using that site for awhile. The advantage (at least for me) is gas without ethanol. Ethanol fuel attracts water and if you operate yard equipment with plastic gas tanks the water tears them up. Same with cycles if you don't operate those on a daily basis. Boaters play hell with ethanol gas as there is no more let it sit till next time. They have to or should drain their tanks after each use or go to the expense of installing multiple fuel filters. I've even read that a few of the older vehicles have problems with ethanol eating the seals. I know on the Norton cycle with the glass tanks, ethanol ate the liner on mine and I had to go to a metal tank.

[detroiter]

Thanks for posting up. Out of all of the list for Michigan, only one of them is slightly nearby. All of the rest are up north at the top of the state and in the middle of BFE

[brg88tx]

NONE in east Texas

[edmscan]

NONE in east Texas

You have to remember that the site only displays information that people have provided.

So .. check out your local gas stations to see if they have ethanol. More than likely ... the 91 Octane or higher are the ones that are ethanol free.

Apparently .. in Texas it is a requirement to display if the gas has ethanol content as shown below.

Texas - TX (1 % or higher)

If you think you are having a hard time in Texas ... check out California, there are only 5 stations listed for the entire state.

[Altitude]

Ethanol is a crime.

[Killchain]

Wow, thanks my mpgs won't suffer this winter.:thumbsup:

[mtlguy]

I tested the Costco 91 gas and it contained NO ethanol. You can pick up a ethanol test kit for $20, or do it yourself (it's really easy). I also tested Esso, Petro T, shell (not V) and all had 15% ethanol.

Shell V power also had no ethanol.

Corn is made to eat, not to feed our cars ..as monsanto wishes.

Ethanol has no business being in cars.
Period.

[edmscan]

I tested the Costco 91 gas and it contained NO ethanol. You can pick up a ethanol test kit for $20, or do it yourself (it's really easy). I also tested Esso, Petro T, shell (not V) and all had 15% ethanol.

Shell V power also had no ethanol.

Corn is made to eat, not to feed our cars ..as monsanto wishes.

Ethanol has no business being in cars.
Period.

Thanks for your work ... I personally I think I am going to try a tank of Shell V 91 Octane when my current tank is done. Like the extra 4-5$ isn't going to kill me.

I live in Alberta (Edmonton) .. so a fill with Premium gas is probably still cheaper than filling up with regular in just about anywhere else in the country. So .. I should consider myself lucky that I live in Alberta where we have cheap gas.

[edmscan]

So far .. I am not experiencing any significant improvement in fuel economy with Ethanol free gas. In fact I don't know if there is ANY improvement. (I am running 91 Octane Shell Gold Ethanol free gas) I won't know for a week or so, but will post my results when I have my next fill up.

[charles nelson]

Minnesota is talking about going to a mandatory 20% ethanol. I checked with my local Yaris dealer...he said and I confirmed with Toyota that such a high level would void my warranty. They were pretty rigid on stating that owners should not use ethanol greater than 10%.
And with our tropical/arctic swings in climate...old ethanol is terrible on vehicle engines. My dealer recommends at least two tank fills per month to make sure that old gas is flushed out as soon as possible. I have had a lot of repairs after putting ethanol in lawn mowers, chain saws etc...they all had to have their carbs cleaned out.
My problem is that my Yaris is used as a short haul commuter vehicle on medium speed highways. I hardly ever fill monthly...
so following my Yaris dealers advice I add some 'Stabil' fuel conditioner to each fill.

[edmscan]

Minnesota is talking about going to a mandatory 20% ethanol. I checked with my local Yaris dealer...he said and I confirmed with Toyota that such a high level would void my warranty. They were pretty rigid on stating that owners should not use ethanol greater than 10%.

That really sucks. Time to move.

[mirapatec]

Luckily, there is a filling station very close to me that sells non-ethanol gasoline in all grades for the exact same price as the other stations that are selling the E-10 gasoline. Yay!

While it may make little to no difference in fuel economy, yet for the same price, I feel the pure gas is the better deal for the long term longevity of my engine.

Does anyone else ageee with my resaoning?

[Idahotom]

I agree, one reason being the station selling the good "real" gas should be rewarded with your business. I go so far as to tell my friends and get them to also buy the good stuff. I also mention to the station manager that I appreciate it, and will give him all my fueling business/ Money talks!

[Hershey]

Nearest non ethanol gas is 50+ miles away and is only available in 91 octane . :frown:

[STC]

There is no non-ethanol gas stations in all of Central PA since early 2011:frown: I have to really work hard now to get the great gas MPG I was getting with non-ethanol gas.

Very confused with Pure-gas.org?

State of PA legislation signed by previous Governor Ed Rendell for gas companies (branded and unbranded) to follow the EPA ethanol mandates. Ed Rendell then created Pennsylvania Mandates: The Use Of Biodiesel And Cellulosic Ethanol - HB1202 in 2007. Philly and other eastern city (Allentown, Scranton, etc) area had to comply fully by a certain time back in 2009. This was the same case for Pittsburgh and western areas. Service stations and distribution channels in Central PA who are offering non-ethanol had to change blend by September 2010. No gasoline is being produced in PA. If you are a PA resident here are the facts and links: http://www.paenvironmentdigest.com/newsletter/default.asp?NewsletterArticleID=8276
http://www.paenvironmentdigest.com/newsletter/default.asp?NewsletterArticleID=9803&SubjectID=

At least we have someone that worked for us in 2011:
http://www.searchenterprises.com/inthenews/story1978.htm

I am suspect of pure-gas.org. I'm not saying pure-gas.org is totally unreliable. I'm sure you may find non-ethanol gas in your state, but not in PA. If you think you are getting non-ethanol gas in PA you are not. Maybe at your local airport:wink: Do your research for your state laws and regulations. It may not be the case what pure-gas.org is stating.

Cheers! :smile:

[BrisbaneYaris]

Interesting!

I'm In Australia where you might be aware is currently pushing HARD on lowering emissions. For example Toyota Australia pushed HARD to get the Australian government to introduce E10 (91 Octane Unleaded Fuel with 10% Ethanol) to replace regular 91 Octane Unleaded Fuel, it is cheaper but you definitely notice the minimum 3% reduction in fuel economy.

Fuel is about $1.40/Litre for E10 and about $1.50/Litre for 91 (non ethanol) atm.

I use the E10 because in a few years Reg 91 Octane will not be available in Australia and if Toyota thinks it's good enough for their Made IN Japan Engines then I presume they have modified their engines to deal with the increased volatility of the ethanol blends which btw Ethanol has been in Australian fuel for a very long time just not in concentrations as high as 10%.

I've so far done 13,000kms in my Yaris in only 4 months since buying it new and found that it's taken till NOW and many many 950km coast to coast highway trips to get the fuel economy to it's current 7.6litres/100kms fuel usage.

I tried Shells V Power 98 Octane 4X Full tanks in a row with NO difference in fuel economy or power (not even 0.1 of a litre difference in economy) as I did with BPs Ultimate 98 Octane with at least 4X Full tanks again without noticing any difference in Engine power or fuel economy.

My personal opinion is that the Australian delivered Yaris which are ALL Made In Japan ( realise that the Yaris is made in many different countries to slightly different specifications world wide) (the same specs as the Japanese Vitz except for obvious suspension, steering, colour, fabric & equipment changes to make them appropriate for Australian Tastes) run more than fine on E10 (91 Octane Unleaded with 10% Ethanol) and should be just as durable as with previous engines running on non ethanol fuels.