Ripped off at the pump ?

[edmscan]

Just wanted to inquire about what you think about the price of gas ? Do you think that the price is fair for what you are getting, or is the price of gas ridiculous and a cash grab by big oil companies ?

Personally .. I think that the 44$ (based on $1.19/litre and 37 litre fill) that it takes to fill up my Yaris is just about as much as I can afford to pay.

I find that a tank takes me about 2 weeks to go though, so it is about 90$ per month for gas. But I just feel lucky that the Yaris gets such good gas mileage as I could be easily paying twice as much with another vehicle.

I am wondering how others feel about the price of gas ?

[b20vteg]

this is how i feel about gas prices:

pre-yaris: :cry:

post-yaris: :thumbup:

[nookandcrannycar]

Just wanted to inquire about what you think about the price of gas ? Do you think that the price is fair for what you are getting, or is the price of gas ridiculous and a cash grab by big oil companies ?

Personally .. I think that the 44$ (based on $1.19/litre and 37 litre fill) that it takes to fill up my Yaris is just about as much as I can afford to pay.

I find that a tank takes me about 2 weeks to go though, so it is about 90$ per month for gas. But I just feel lucky that the Yaris gets such good gas mileage as I could be easily paying twice as much with another vehicle.

I am wondering how others feel about the price of gas ?

The price of gas is too high, but I blame the government, not the oil companies. In the US, the percentage of the cost of a gallon of gas that goes to taxes (I'm pretty sure in all 50 states) is a higher percentage than oil company profit percentage. One of the reasons that prices are different in each state for gas is the tax environment. Gas is quite a bit cheaper in New Jersey than it is in New York or Connecticut. I asked a station attendant in New Jersey why this is and he said it is just how each state decides to peg each tax among a basket of taxes----New Jersey has a lower Gas tax than the other Tri-State states, but he said it has a much higher cigarette tax and one other tax (I think it was on alcohol).

President Obama has bragged that oil production is the highest it's been in US history. No thanks to him, thank the oil companies. He has squelched leasing on federal land --- the land he has control over. I think everyone should try to drive cars in our league MPG wise most of the time, but I think people should do it re their own awareness and conscience, and not have it be anything that is influenced by the government.

Oil companies do do some douche bag things, but some protesters are also swimming in their own hypocrisy. I remember a reporter questioning an Occupy Wall Street protester as to why she was using (at that very moment) a MacBook Pro if she is so against corporations and profits. The lady kept tripping over her words and didn't even have the moxie to fake a semi-intelligent response. A cogent response would be impossible, as there isn't one. In addition. Apple's profit margin is 3-4 times that of a lot of oil companies. Why isn't she protesting that Apple should move their manufacturing base back to the US. Oh wait, Apple is cool and oil companies are not:rolleyes:.

Wow.You are paying the equivalent of $5.19 USD per US gallon. I paid $3.49 yesterday. I feel rven worse for people in Europe...paying so much more.

[DevilGirl]

Just wanted to inquire about what you think about the price of gas ? Do you think that the price is fair for what you are getting, or is the price of gas ridiculous and a cash grab by big oil companies ?

Personally .. I think that the 44$ (based on $1.19/litre and 37 litre fill) that it takes to fill up my Yaris is just about as much as I can afford to pay.

I find that a tank takes me about 2 weeks to go though, so it is about 90$ per month for gas. But I just feel lucky that the Yaris gets such good gas mileage as I could be easily paying twice as much with another vehicle.

I am wondering how others feel about the price of gas ?

I would LOVE to be paying only $90 a month for gas... My tank of gas will last only about 3 days of commuting to work (3.5 if I decide to push it).

[david_827]

The price of gas is too high, but I blame the government, not the oil companies. In the US, the percentage of the cost of a gallon of gas that goes to taxes (I'm pretty sure in all 50 states) is a higher percentage than oil company profit percentage. One of the reasons that prices are different in each state for gas is the tax environment. Gas is quite a bit cheaper in New Jersey than it is in New York or Connecticut. I asked a station attendant in New Jersey why this is and he said it is just how each state decides to peg each tax among a basket of taxes----New Jersey has a lower Gas tax than the other Tri-State states, but he said it has a much higher cigarette tax and one other tax (I think it was on alcohol).

President Obama has bragged that oil production is the highest it's been in US history. No thanks to him, thank the oil companies. He has squelched leasing on federal land --- the land he has control over. I think everyone should try to drive cars in our league MPG wise most of the time, but I think people should do it re their own awareness and conscience, and not have it be anything that is influenced by the government.

Oil companies do do some douche bag things, but some protesters are also swimming in their own hypocrisy. I remember a reporter questioning an Occupy Wall Street protester as to why she was using (at that very moment) a MacBook Pro if she is so against corporations and profits. The lady kept tripping over her words and didn't even have the moxie to fake a semi-intelligent response. A cogent response would be impossible, as there isn't one. In addition. Apple's profit margin is 3-4 times that of a lot of oil companies. Why isn't she protesting that Apple should move their manufacturing base back to the US. Oh wait, Apple is cool and oil companies are not:rolleyes:.

Wow.You are paying the equivalent of $5.19 USD per US gallon. I paid $3.49 yesterday. I feel rven worse for people in Europe...paying so much more.


i agree with you to an extent, i believe consumer demand can play more of a role on the price of gas. hence why prices tend to rise in summer as more people are on the road taking more trips. i'm not a hypermiler by any means, but i feel if people slowed down a bit and stopped driving like assholes our demand for gas will drop and thus so will the price. Its just a theory for me at this time that im basing on anecdotal evidence.

[goliath1812]

I honestly don't think anything will drop the prices of gas to what I think they should be. The oil companies are raking in billions, the government wants all the taxes they can get...it seems like nothing is going to stop it. Even if we as a country came together to lessen the demand of gas, I'm confident the government will raise the fuel taxes to make up for lost comsumption. Either way, that means higher prices. Oil companies are never satisfied with record breaking profits year after year, they always want more and more. I'm waiting for the day that brings us an EV with a quick charge option AND an extended driving time per charge. Even then, the cost of electricity will just raise. I'm not sure that day will be any time in the near future anyway.

[bronsin]

Its not so much the price of gas. Its the people who drive cars and trucks that get ~20 mpg that I cant believe.

Foreign governments, the oil companies, and our government have put a gun to our heads and the publics response is

Go ahead blow my brains out!

[nookandcrannycar]

i agree with you to an extent, i believe consumer demand can play more of a role on the price of gas. hence why prices tend to rise in summer as more people are on the road taking more trips. i'm not a hypermiler by any means, but i feel if people slowed down a bit and stopped driving like assholes our demand for gas will drop and thus so will the price. Its just a theory for me at this time that im basing on anecdotal evidence.

I agree. I might have been reading something into edmscan's post that wasn't there but I assumed he was already assuming the consumer demand part of the equation. You're assertion may be anecdotal evidence rather than a scientific analysis, but it's just about the strongest anecdotal evidence I can think of -- the collapse of gas prices in the US in late 2008 into 2009.

[nookandcrannycar]

^^^^^ I also think 'too high' is a relative term as even when gas prices were low in 2008 some state government's gas taxes were still too high (namely California) and feeding a bloated and inefficient state government.

[nookandcrannycar]

I would LOVE to be paying only $90 a month for gas... My tank of gas will last only about 3 days of commuting to work (3.5 if I decide to push it).

At least you don't have to get gas in New York or Connecticut:biggrin:. I have occasionally waited until crossing the border into PA to get gas.....not wanting to pay NY or CT prices and not wanting to deal with the 'unlawful to pump your own gas' scenario in NJ (which, as much as I love New Jersey, drives me nuts).

[cali yaris]

In the US, the percentage of the cost of a gallon of gas that goes to taxes (I'm pretty sure in all 50 states) is a higher percentage than oil company profit percentage.

I have an unpopular view (I think). I think it should be HIGHER. Cost is the only incentive that will get people to change their purchasing and driving behavior.

[edmscan]

Wow.You are paying the equivalent of $5.19 USD per US gallon.

There is 3.785 litres per US gallon and at 1.19 per litre, that makes it $4.50 per US Gallon, and we here in Edmonton have the cheapest gas in Canada. The highest (as of yesterday) is in Montreal area where they are paying $5.79 per US Gallon. The Canadian dollar is just above par right now .. but really nothing to write home about.

I do agree that Europe is getting screwed, but I haven't been there for many years, so I really don't know how much they are paying. All I know is that you don't see many non-econo box cars over there.

[edmscan]

I would LOVE to be paying only $90 a month for gas... My tank of gas will last only about 3 days of commuting to work (3.5 if I decide to push it).

That is one thing I have noticed from YW, the commutes for many people in the US is very far. The most you would see in the city I live in is about 40 KM (24 miles) and that would be going from one edge of the city to the other edge.

Realistically that wouldn't happen anyways as we have a ring road that goes around the city which would cut down the mileage substantially.

I think I would really hate such a long commute .. but that's just me.

[b20vteg]

I have an unpopular view (I think). I think it should be HIGHER. Cost is the only incentive that will get people to change their purchasing and driving behavior.

makes sense.

[goliath1812]

I have an unpopular view (I think). I think it should be HIGHER. Cost is the only incentive that will get people to change their purchasing and driving behavior.

it may change driving habits and purchases, but I still don't think it will make prices drop at all. people here talking about Europe, where most drivers have economic boxes, and look at their gas prices. substantially more than here.

[nookandcrannycar]

I honestly don't think anything will drop the prices of gas to what I think they should be. The oil companies are raking in billions, the government wants all the taxes they can get...it seems like nothing is going to stop it. Even if we as a country came together to lessen the demand of gas, I'm confident the government will raise the fuel taxes to make up for lost comsumption. Either way, that means higher prices. Oil companies are never satisfied with record breaking profits year after year, they always want more and more. I'm waiting for the day that brings us an EV with a quick charge option AND an extended driving time per charge. Even then, the cost of electricity will just raise. I'm not sure that day will be any time in the near future anyway.

Oil companies might be making record profits in total dollar amount, but their profit margin isn't outrageous (only 7-11 percent),,,Apple's profit margin is over 30 percent---Why aren't people outraged about that?:rolleyes:

I don't think either is outrageous, I'm just playing devil's advocate. People aren't outraged re Apple because it is cool and it is a want. People need gas and they don't like when they are paying more than they think is right for it. Gas prices are also subject to the price of oil in the commodities markets. Oil companies have a hand in this arena, but aren't the only players.

[nookandcrannycar]

Its not so much the price of gas. Its the people who drive cars and trucks that get ~20 mpg that I cant believe.

Foreign governments, the oil companies, and our government have put a gun to our heads and the publics response is

Go ahead blow my brains out!

Yea, pretty much. One will especially be able to say that when Obama gets re-elected. I say when because the bounce since Clinton's speech at the DNC seems to be holding. If I hadn't been straddling two states (part of my life in each) when the 2008 election rolled around, I would have voted for him. I now agree with him on some things, and disagree with him on most. However, the choice in 2012 is simple and it has nothing to do with the content of any issue. The president only has to do one thing before taking office.....SWEAR TO UPHOLD THE U.S. CONSTITUTION. He is the only U.S. president ever to unilaterally disregard the constitution with an action after admitting---the words coming out of his own mouth---that he didn't have the authority to make the change he wanted. He supports the Dream Act and if congress passed it people might not like it but it would still be properly codified law until challenged by others and overturned by the SCOTUS. Obama admitted that this is something that congress needed to pass, that he didn't have authority to act on any of it alone.....then he later enacts the 'Mini Dream Act' as an executive order. His support should have immediately dropped to zero after this. IMHO it isn't moral to support the re-election of a president who now essentially uses the constitution as toilet paper. I've changed the focus of the trip I'm about to take because if Obama wins, my plan is to never again visit any state that goes majority Obama in the 2012 election and therefore will cast their electoral votes for him. Such states don't deserve my tourism and tax dollars. I've been amazed that citizens aren't outraged about this. He's subject to constitutional checks and balances. He's the President of a constitutional republic, he isn't a king. Again, it has nothing to do with what the issue is, just his lack of respect for the one document he has sworn to uphold. A few days ago I saw Ben Stein in a group discussion on one of the financial channels. Finally, someone seemed as outraged as I am about this. He referred to Obama's base as his "constitution ripping up base".

I don't understand the 20 MPG car thing either. If you have 10 dollars or 10 million dollars in the bank or in a brokerage account why would you want to hand one cent more of it to a gas station than you have to?

[nookandcrannycar]

There is 3.785 litres per US gallon and at 1.19 per litre, that makes it $4.50 per US Gallon, and we here in Edmonton have the cheapest gas in Canada. The highest (as of yesterday) is in Montreal area where they are paying $5.79 per US Gallon. The Canadian dollar is just above par right now .. but really nothing to write home about.

I do agree that Europe is getting screwed, but I haven't been there for many years, so I really don't know how much they are paying. All I know is that you don't see many non-econo box cars over there.

You're right. I accidently plugged in 3.875 x 1.19 into my calculator, rather than 3.785. I took the total I got and plugged it into a CAD to USD converter on the intedrnet. My bad for accidentally enterin g the wrong amount. If the number is still off, I'm glad I don't remember which site I visited to use the currency converter!

[nookandcrannycar]

Yea, pretty much. One will especially be able to say that when Obama gets re-elected. I say when because the bounce since Clinton's speech at the DNC seems to be holding. If I hadn't been straddling two states (part of my life in each) when the 2008 election rolled around, I would have voted for him. I now agree with him on some things, and disagree with him on most. However, the choice in 2012 is simple and it has nothing to do with the content of any issue. The president only has to do one thing before taking office.....SWEAR TO UPHOLD THE U.S. CONSTITUTION. He is the only U.S. president ever to unilaterally disregard the constitution with an action after admitting---the words coming out of his own mouth---that he didn't have the authority to make the change he wanted. He supports the Dream Act and if congress passed it people might not like it but it would still be properly codified law until challenged by others and overturned by the SCOTUS. Obama admitted that this is something that congress needed to pass, that he didn't have authority to act on any of it alone.....then he later enacts the 'Mini Dream Act' as an executive order. His support should have immediately dropped to zero after this. IMHO it isn't moral to support the re-election of a president who now essentially uses the constitution as toilet paper. I've changed the focus of the trip I'm about to take because if Obama wins, my plan is to never again visit any state that goes majority Obama in the 2012 election and therefore will cast their electoral votes for him. Such states don't deserve my tourism and tax dollars. I've been amazed that citizens aren't outraged about this. He's subject to constitutional checks and balances. He's the President of a constitutional republic, he isn't a king. Again, it has nothing to do with what the issue is, just his lack of respect for the one document he has sworn to uphold. A few days ago I saw Ben Stein in a group discussion on one of the financial channels. Finally, someone seemed as outraged as I am about this. He referred to Obama's base as his "constitution ripping up base".

I don't understand the 20 MPG car thing either. If you have 10 dollars or 10 million dollars in the bank or in a brokerage account why would you want to hand one cent more of it to a gas station than you have to?

The only exceptions I'll make to this are California, as I still have personal belongings there and most of my family is there....New Mexico -- that I have to drive through to efficiently get to California (but i'll try not to buy gas or food:biggrin:).....and any request to go to one of these 'Obama' states made by my little cousin re a family vacation. In the 80s The O'Malley family did something re the Dodgers that teed me off and I told my friends from that moment on I'm not going to be directly responsible for putting another dollar in the pocket of an O'Malley. I didn't set foot in Dodger Stadium again until 2007....after they had sold out to Fox.

[nookandcrannycar]

I have an unpopular view (I think). I think it should be HIGHER. Cost is the only incentive that will get people to change their purchasing and driving behavior.

Cost is the only thing that will get SOME people to change their purchasing and driving behavior. I want the highest possible MPG while still being comfortable and this applies whether gas is $1.80 per gallon or $5.00 per gallon.

I might feel the way you do if I lived in Sweden, but here in the U.S. I don't trust any level of government to use the extra revenue that would come their way with those higher prices to efficiently use those dollars toward the best interest of the general public, or, in some cases, use those extra dollars toward the best interest of the general public at all.

You do realize, as a small business owner, that some people might take a dollar they were planning on spending at Micro Image and and use it to buy that more expensive gas instead because they don't have the money for both.

[cali yaris]

You do realize, as a small business owner, that some people might take a dollar they were planning on spending at Micro Image and and use it to buy that more expensive gas instead because they don't have the money for both.

I'm perfectly fine with that. Especially if four million (random high number)\ other people who never heard of me moved closer to work, and we became less dependent on foreign oil.

We are 30% less dependent on foreign oil than we were four years ago.

No thanks to my black Hummer-driving, no-turn-signals, speed-on-my-street, take-up-two-parking-space neighbors. :rolleyes:

[DevilGirl]

That is one thing I have noticed from YW, the commutes for many people in the US is very far. The most you would see in the city I live in is about 40 KM (24 miles) and that would be going from one edge of the city to the other edge.

Realistically that wouldn't happen anyways as we have a ring road that goes around the city which would cut down the mileage substantially.

I think I would really hate such a long commute .. but that's just me.

Havn't been to Canada in years, and I honestly don't remember much of it from that one visit, but I know in my area, depending on what you do for a living, there may not be a job locally for you (especially in this economy).

So why not move to where the job is? That would mean I'd have to live in a very large city (such as Philadelphia, where I work). Some people are just not cut out for city living (I know I'm not. I actually like trees and grass and nature).

So move closer to, but not inside the city? The cost of housing is actually a lot higher just outside the city. Yes there would be nature, but there was also be a high cost to live there.

I have found it is actually cheaper for me to live farther away from work (75mile drive) and commute than to live closer to the job.


At least you don't have to get gas in New York or Connecticut:biggrin:. I have occasionally waited until crossing the border into PA to get gas.....not wanting to pay NY or CT prices and not wanting to deal with the 'unlawful to pump your own gas' scenario in NJ (which, as much as I love New Jersey, drives me nuts).

This is true. Jersey does have lower prices (which I really like), but they insist upon pumping the gas for you. So it always screws up my numbers since I always stop at the first click, and, in my experience, they always push it to just before overflowing.

As for NY or CT prices, I'll avoid those at all costs as well. I have family still living on the east end of Long Island (the extreme end). Thankfully I can make it there and back on 1 tank of gas (depending on traffic through NYC). Their prices out where my family is, is a consistant $1 to $1.50 higher than here at home.

[Damo]

Right now in Western Australia Im paying near-on $1.50 per litre.
To you Americans, thats around $5.68 per gallon.

[bronsin]

This is true. Jersey does have lower prices (which I really like), but they insist upon pumping the gas for you. So it always screws up my numbers since I always stop at the first click, and, in my experience, they always push it to just before overflowing.




I live in NJ and feel your "cant pump my own gas here pain".

I tell the attendent "Fill it and the dealer says not to fill it past the first click. I have a credit card."

That works for me.

If I had the option of buying gas where its cheaper than where I live thats what I would do.

If everyone who lives in NY CT etc bought gas in NJ (where its cheaper) NY and CT would have to charge what NJ does.

[edmscan]

Right now in Western Australia Im paying near-on $1.50 per litre.
To you Americans, thats around $5.68 per gallon.

That's about on par with the highest prices I am seeing here in Canada. Not as bad as some places (ie Europe) but still overall pretty high.

I would love to see gas at a better price like in some places in the US. Oh well .. maybe someday.

[12 yaris]

I really do not mind the price of gas in Pa.,I need it so I buy it.
If the price climbed to 8 bucks a gallon we would still buy it.
What is the alternative riding bicycles(for me 35 mi. one-way to work)?
Would we have to give-up some of the things we need such as perscription meds,
grocery shopping,the i-phones some of us can't live without,internet service,cable tv?
We do not no how to function without gasoline(the oil companies know this,OPEC knows
this).
Well there is always the horse and buggy(oh wait,you have to feed the horse too).

[edmscan]

Just thought I would post some information. I found it interesting ...


(U.S. dollars per gallon, including taxes)

Date-------Belgium---France---Germany---Italy----Netherlands----UK------US
09/10/12 --- 8.26 ----- 7.70 ----- 8.54 ---- 9.13 --- 8.82 ---------8.39------4.12

Yikes .. now those are high gas prices.

[nookandcrannycar]

Havn't been to Canada in years, and I honestly don't remember much of it from that one visit, but I know in my area, depending on what you do for a living, there may not be a job locally for you (especially in this economy).

So why not move to where the job is? That would mean I'd have to live in a very large city (such as Philadelphia, where I work). Some people are just not cut out for city living (I know I'm not. I actually like trees and grass and nature).

So move closer to, but not inside the city? The cost of housing is actually a lot higher just outside the city. Yes there would be nature, but there was also be a high cost to live there.

I have found it is actually cheaper for me to live farther away from work (75mile drive) and commute than to live closer to the job.




This is true. Jersey does have lower prices (which I really like), but they insist upon pumping the gas for you. So it always screws up my numbers since I always stop at the first click, and, in my experience, they always push it to just before overflowing.

As for NY or CT prices, I'll avoid those at all costs as well. I have family still living on the east end of Long Island (the extreme end). Thankfully I can make it there and back on 1 tank of gas (depending on traffic through NYC). Their prices out where my family is, is a consistant $1 to $1.50 higher than here at home.

Great info re gas prices at the east end of Long Island! (Avoid!) I'm planning to include North Fork and Montauk on my upcoming trip. I once asked someone in Oregon why the no pump law was enacted in the first place. He said the state feared that the unemployment rate would increase to a higher than desired level if they didn't enact the law. IMHO the no pump law is one of the dumbest laws enacted within any state and only New Jersey and Oregon have seen fit to codify this policy into law.

IMO, the area where you live is seeing growth because other logical people are coming to the same conclusion you did.

[nookandcrannycar]

Just thought I would post some information. I found it interesting ...


(U.S. dollars per gallon, including taxes)

Date-------Belgium---France---Germany---Italy----Netherlands----UK------US
09/10/12 --- 8.26 ----- 7.70 ----- 8.54 ---- 9.13 --- 8.82 ---------8.39------4.12

Yikes .. now those are high gas prices.

Extremely interesting! Mean for each country? Median for each country?.....or do these figures have some other basis? What is the figure for Canada?

[edmscan]

Extremely interesting! Mean for each country? Median for each country?.....or do these figures have some other basis? What is the figure for Canada?

Don't know .. it wasn't stated. But I can help with Canada .. typical gas prices range from $1.19 per liter in Edmonton (4.50 per US Gallon) to Montreal $1.53 per liter (5.79 per US Gallon).

However .. I have seen on GasBuddy.com that lower prices can be found.
For example .. people are posting gas prices in Montreal as low at $1.35 per liter.

For example in Edmonton people have posted gas prices (http://www.edmontongasprices.com/) as low as $1.14 per liter, however I can confirm that MOST stations are at $1.19 today.

So .. even the cheapest gas prices in Canada are more than the prices in the US, and as a result we continue to see Canadians cross the border to fill up. I know that my parents (who live in West Vancouver, BC), do fill up their tanks in Washington state when they go there on weekends.

I personally live way too far from the US border to take advantage of cheaper US gas prices.

[nookandcrannycar]

I live in NJ and feel your "cant pump my own gas here pain".

I tell the attendent "Fill it and the dealer says not to fill it past the first click. I have a credit card."

That works for me.

If I had the option of buying gas where its cheaper than where I live thats what I would do.

If everyone who lives in NY CT etc bought gas in NJ (where its cheaper) NY and CT would have to charge what NJ does.

Geographically, it would only make sense for people in Rockland County, NY (Suffern, The Nyacks, Spring Valley, etc). People in Westchester County and people in CT would have to pay the toll on the Tappan Zee and that would negate much of the savings. In your area, I don't know how that would work as I've never purchased gas in Delaware or Philly....but I imagine that New Jersey has the cheapest gas in the NE section of the U.S.

[nookandcrannycar]

Don't know .. it wasn't stated. But I can help with Canada .. typical gas prices range from $1.19 per liter in Edmonton (4.50 per US Gallon) to Montreal $1.53 per liter (5.79 per US Gallon).

However .. I have seen on GasBuddy.com that lower prices can be found.
For example .. people are posting gas prices in Montreal as low at $1.35 per liter.

For example in Edmonton people have posted gas prices (http://www.edmontongasprices.com/) as low as $1.14 per liter, however I can confirm that MOST stations are at $1.19 today.

So .. even the cheapest gas prices in Canada are more than the prices in the US, and as a result we continue to see Canadians cross the border to fill up. I know that my parents (who live in West Vancouver, BC), do fill up their tanks in Washington state when they go there on weekends.

I personally live way too far from the US border to take advantage of cheaper US gas prices.

LOL. I have some friends who live in Federal Way, WA and they make liquor runs in their minivan every two months or so to Portland because there is no sales tax in Oregon. Yes, the distance from Edmonton to the U.S, border would cancel out any savings for you...same for people east of the Hudson River going to New Jersey to get gas---savings from lower price would be wiped out.

[bronsin]

Geographically, it would only make sense for people in Rockland County, NY (Suffern, The Nyacks, Spring Valley, etc). People in Westchester County and people in CT would have to pay the toll on the Tappan Zee and that would negate much of the savings. In your area, I don't know how that would work as I've never purchased gas in Delaware or Philly....but I imagine that New Jersey has the cheapest gas in the NE section of the U.S.

Well if your commute takes you on a regular basis into the Swamps of Jersey dont let the attendent scare you off! :biggrin:

[TPA5]

Gas prices are high, it sucks. But they're not going down, because they make an improbably large amount of money for both government a big oil companies. Of course, government has great interests in big oil companies and vice-versa.

So let's all be realistic, big oil and big money run the world. Not political leaders. So gas ain't ever going down.

[bronsin]

Gas prices are high, it sucks. But they're not going down, because they make an improbably large amount of money for both government a big oil companies. Of course, government has great interests in big oil companies and vice-versa.

So let's all be realistic, big oil and big money run the world. Not political leaders. So gas ain't ever going down.


If we dont buy it the price will come down.

or

the more we buy the more the price goes UP.

[TPA5]

If we dont buy it the price will come down.

or

the more we buy the more the price goes UP.

The sad thing is, it is that simple. But no one can ever stop buying. We're caught in a weird death-grip, even if we could get even a fraction of the population to protest and stop buying gas even for a week, big oil wouldn't budge because eventually they know we'll go back to buying it because we need it. It's like a siege, and sadly big oil will always have the muscle to outlast us little guys.

[bronsin]

even if we could get even a fraction of the population to protest and stop buying gas even for a week,.

YES YES YES!!! :thumbsup:

War, its war! :mad:

Good or bad thats what Id like to see people doing.

[jambo101]

Right now in Western Australia Im paying near-on $1.50 per litre.
To you Americans, thats around $5.68 per gallon.
Earlier this week here in Montreal our price for regular gas jumped from $1.40 a liter to $1.53 a liter overnight..:mad: Price has since moderated and they are now only gouging us $1.48 a liter:rolleyes:
Driving my Yaris and filling it once a month its not a major hit to the wallet but i gotta wonder about those with huge gas guzzling pickups and SUV's.

[nookandcrannycar]

Well if your commute takes you on a regular basis into the Swamps of Jersey dont let the attendent scare you off! :biggrin:

LOL. In 2009 I pulled into a gas station on RT 206 in Bedminster just West of I-287. I could see the attendant in the booth an HE WAS ASLEEP STANDING UP! I didn't want to drive up and rap on the window to wake him up because I didn't want him to get scared and I think I might be doing something other than trying to get his attention. I pulled up to the nearest pump, which happened to be the farthest away from the booth. I started filling the tank of my Yaris and about two thirds of the way through I heard the sound of shoes fast approaching me from behind. The parents of my best friend growing up in California live nearby, so I know it is a safe area. I turned around and it was the attendant.......to take over finishing the fill up:rolleyes:.

[nookandcrannycar]

I'm perfectly fine with that. Especially if four million (random high number)\ other people who never heard of me moved closer to work, and we became less dependent on foreign oil.

We are 30% less dependent on foreign oil than we were four years ago.

No thanks to my black Hummer-driving, no-turn-signals, speed-on-my-street, take-up-two-parking-space neighbors. :rolleyes:

I :rolleyes: re people like your neighbors as well. There seem to be even more of them per capita in the Houston area. My area seems to be the only part of the Houston metro where huge SUVs and trucks aren't out of control and one sees an abundance of Prii (Yes, in 2011 Toyota decided that the plural of Prius is Prii). Part of the reason for this MIGHT be that 58% of residents in my area were not born in Texas. I agree that driving less is the best and probably the most green way to help end our dependency on foreign oil, but there are other avenues/methods that will help. Given how many goods are trucked in this country, increasing the price of gas will hurt some people re necessities who can ill afford that increase. I also doubt it would change the behavior of people like your neighbor.

[Kioshi]

I have an unpopular view (I think). I think it should be HIGHER. Cost is the only incentive that will get people to change their purchasing and driving behavior.

For once, i agree w/ you. +1 for you :smile:

In other countries, gas prices are much higher than compared to here and Canada. Yes, i may still complain a little seeing gas prices go higher, but its the aggressive drivers who i usually see on freeway and laugh at.......poor sap in the BMW cutting people off, must be pissed he had to pay $90+ to refill :laugh::laugh:

[nookandcrannycar]

For once, i agree w/ you. +1 for you :smile:

In other countries, gas prices are much higher than compared to here and Canada. Yes, i may still complain a little seeing gas prices go higher, but its the aggressive drivers who i usually see on freeway and laugh at.......poor sap in the BMW cutting people off, must be pissed he had to pay $90+ to refill :laugh::laugh:

If such prices were implemented this would drive up the cost of some dietary staples, as such goods are often trucked to their destinatiosns. What would you say to the person who is struggling to afford those staples?.....Or is that what food stamps are for:rolleyes:.

[nookandcrannycar]

For once, i agree w/ you. +1 for you :smile:

In other countries, gas prices are much higher than compared to here and Canada. Yes, i may still complain a little seeing gas prices go higher, but its the aggressive drivers who i usually see on freeway and laugh at.......poor sap in the BMW cutting people off, must be pissed he had to pay $90+ to refill :laugh::laugh:

I remember when you made that 'BMW cutting people off' post. I doubt that guy, nor Cali Yaris' neighbors, care too much about what they are paying for gas

[Kioshi]

I remember when you made that 'BMW cutting people off' post. I doubt that guy, nor Cali Yaris' neighbors, care too much about what they are paying for gas

I'm sure they do, they dont live in Hollywood or anything, just in regular suburban neighborhoods. People around me are cheap, even if they have the money they will complain about it...take my word for it, seriously.

If gas prices went up, sure the prices of goods would go up naturally, but it would force people to rethink how they drive, how they spend, etc...

People want to go waste $650+ on a new iPhone when they can save that money for something more beneficial..imo, start saving/throw in CD account, etc.

Force is what people need in this country....kind of like how stores are forcing people in a way to bring their own shopping bag.....believe me, I'm no hippie haha, I'm wasteful, just giving methods that have worked well for other countries compared to the USA.

[nookandcrannycar]

I'm sure they do, they dont live in Hollywood or anything, just in regular suburban neighborhoods. People around me are cheap, even if they have the money they will complain about it...take my word for it, seriously.

If gas prices went up, sure the prices of goods would go up naturally, but it would force people to rethink how they drive, how they spend, etc...

People want to go waste $650+ on a new iPhone when they can save that money for something more beneficial..imo, start saving/throw in CD account, etc.

Force is what people need in this country....kind of like how stores are forcing people in a way to bring their own shopping bag.....believe me, I'm no hippie haha, I'm wasteful, just giving methods that have worked well for other countries compared to the USA.

I added the 'too much' because I don't think they'd care enough to change their behavior.

I've spent quite a bit of time in Fremont, and I agree with you that there are quite a few people there who spend money on silly things. I also agree with you that there are a lot of people there who have money, but are cheap, and like to complain. The impression I get from patronizing businesses there is that many of these owners and clerks are tired of dealing with such people. Your description of these people made me LOL.

If you rent, there are few places (in the U.S.) where a place to stay can be cheaper relative to how high the incomes are than Fremont. People there can "rethink how they drive, how they spend, etc." as you point out. People even in "regular suburban neighborhoods". Fremont, for a few years, was the safest city in the U.S. with a population over 200,000 people. Nearby San Jose has the highest median household income of any large city in the U.S., and the median household income in Fremont is higher than it is in San Jose........Now, get on a plane and fly to Jackson, MS and spend some time South of I-20 or fly to New Orleans and spend some time almost anywhere in the 9th Ward (New Orleans East, Lower 9th, etc) or some other similar parts of New Orleans and tell me that more than a relative handful of those citizens can "rethink how they drive, how they spend, etc.". They can't. For the ones who have cars, the extra cost of that more expensive gas could push them over the edge. People need to make their own way but, IMO, they don't need policies in place that are going to make it harder for them.

P.S. Someone distracted me yesterday while I was finishing up this reply and I neglected to make the point, specifically, that I was trying to make by bringing up people in parts of Jackson and New Orleans. I also made this point in a couple of previous posts. Namely, that so many goods (including staples like food,etc.) are trucked in this country that the cost of those staples will rise along with the intentional rise in gas prices and effect all of those vulnerable people in Jackson, New Orleans, and other places (not just the ones with cars who buy gas directly).