"Most Dangerous Car in America"

[otterhere]

Is this true (according to a study that just came out), or is someone jerkin' my chain? :mad:

[tk-421]

link?

[otterhere]

Someone told me on Facebook. Yeah, I know, but... Let me look...

[otterhere]

http://www.latimes.com/business/autos/la-fi-autos-crash-injuries-20120921,0,1218868.story

[NEexpat]

That's right, that's right we're dangerous!

[AlphaCentauri]

Los Angeles Times 09/20/2012 Reported Don't get in a traffic accident in a Toyota Yaris. It has a higher rate of personal injury claims than any other auto, according to the Highway Loss Data Institute. The research arm of the insurance industry said Yaris drivers or passengers filed personal injury claims 28.5 times for every 1,000 model year 2009-2011 Yaris subcompacts insured by the industry.

http://www.latimes.com/business/money/la-fi-mo-auto-dangerous-cars-20120920,0,4970490.story

[tk-421]

thread merge incoming...

[MadMax]

Yet there are numerous accident threads on this forum where Yaris occupants survived relatively unscathed (thank God!) ...

Cheers! M2

[tk1971]

This quote from the LA Times article pretty much says it all:

"Not surprisingly, the institute said its research demonstrated that the vehicles with the highest injury claims tend to be small cars."

I'm thinking no duh (common sense?)...

Sorry, but I also ride motorcycles, so there really isn't a car that is "too small" for me.

[fnkngrv]

Yet there are numerous accident threads on this forum where Yaris occupants survived relatively unscathed (thank God!) ...

Cheers! M2

It has actually been amazing what some folks have come out of for Yaris accidents and walked away. It think that it has been established that even a few folks that should have actually died survived.

[12 yaris]

Hell,Every car is dangerous with a careless driver.

[Damo]

It doesnt take a genius to figure out that MANY young drivers choose Yaris for its price. There are a LOT of Yaris drivers on our roads. You add the sheer number of owners together with the inexperience of young drivers behind the wheel and of course its going to be over-represented.

Typical moronic media scaremongering.

[tooter]

Hell,Every car is dangerous with a careless driver.

Absolutely. :thumbsup:

The most dangerous part in every car is the nut behind the wheel.

[matti]

Crazy question: If more similar data was released, could this affect insurance rates for Yaris drivers?

[Chuck G]

Crazy question: If more similar data was released, could this affect insurance rates for Yaris drivers?

Great question!!

[CtrlAltDefeat]

It doesnt take a genius to figure out that MANY young drivers choose Yaris for its price. There are a LOT of Yaris drivers on our roads. You add the sheer number of owners together with the inexperience of young drivers behind the wheel and of course its going to be over-represented.

Typical moronic media scaremongering.

Well I am never one to defend the media and their scare mongering, but the measurement is per every thousand insured, which takes into account the number on the road. That said, you are probably right about the Yaris attracting younger drivers (and for that matter, drivers who just think it's cute, rather than drivers who like to drive and thus might be more cautious when driving), and that is most likely not taken into account... Of course small cars are more dangerous. There is not much point in denying that...

[nookandcrannycar]

It doesnt take a genius to figure out that MANY young drivers choose Yaris for its price. There are a LOT of Yaris drivers on our roads. You add the sheer number of owners together with the inexperience of young drivers behind the wheel and of course its going to be over-represented.

Typical moronic media scaremongering.

:clap: Good point re age/experience of drivers likely skewing the numbers.

[MadMax]

Sorry, but around here the most dangerous vehicle on our roads is the Ford F-150...

[baseballfan416]

I guess this would explain why my STi is cheaper to insure than the yaris... No abs, no anti-theft, no awd, no traction control ('07), less air bags and a worse crash rating... So much for being economical...

[nookandcrannycar]

Sorry, but around here the most dangerous vehicle on our roads is the Ford F-150...

Here they, from my experience, mainly just get too close to your bumper...which is irritating re the level of the lights.

A few nights ago I was driving south on I-45 in the slow lane. I had just passed the area where you can see construction re the future North American Headquarters Campus for Exxon Mobil. I was just about to put my turn signal on to take the FM 2920 exit when I heard a loud rumble. I decided to slow down and delay putting my turn signal on. A CAR PASSED ME ON THE SHOULDER GOING AT LEAST 90 MPH:thumbdown:. He was racing another car that was going the same speed in the #2 lane. This happened so fast I didn't catch what type of cars they were driving. I kept thinking about that little voice, little bit of instinct that caused me to wait. If I hadn't waited, the result might have been disastrous. I hope those idiots eventually got tickets. Since the killing of the Libyan ambassador, I've noticed way more than the previous occasional military helicopter patrol and I'd imagine even military pilots are able to provide notification (indirectly if not directly) to patrol cars.

[nookandcrannycar]

Yet there are numerous accident threads on this forum where Yaris occupants survived relatively unscathed (thank God!) ...

Cheers! M2

That's because we are a group of skilled, thoughtful drivers!:biggrin::thumbsup:

[jayeh]

Crazy question: If more similar data was released, could this affect insurance rates for Yaris drivers?

Your area doesn't do this already?

Quotes I received here...

2008 Corvette $105 per month
2008 Ford Crown Vic $75
2008 Yaris HB $125

:thumbdown:

Anything made by Honda or Toyota is an extra $20 a month easily. I've noticed that most Yaris/Echo drivers are especially bad but not the overly aggressive bad, or the lazy bad (not signalling etc), but the "I'm so scared I might actually crap my pants if I drive over 55mph, but I'll cut across 6 lanes of highway without even looking" totally-fucking-stunned clueless type.

[JumpmanYaris]

So is the smart car in second place? :rolleyes:

[tooter]

Insurance on my 2012 Yaris costs 75 cents a day because I only buy the minimum required to register the car. :smile:

[edmscan]

Your area doesn't do this already?

Quotes I received here...

2008 Corvette $105 per month
2008 Ford Crown Vic $75
2008 Yaris HB $125



I am paying 75$ per month for my 2007 Yaris RS 3 Dr LB ... and that is with collision and 2 million liability.

So .. I knew the rates in Ontario were high but that is quite high. But then again, I am getting the best rate that the insurance company offered due to many years of accident free driving.

Insurance on my 2012 Yaris costs 75 cents a day because I only buy the minimum required to register the car. :smile:

That is very cheap .. but I am not surprised as the rates in the US are generally lower than Canada where we are turned upside down and shook til all our money falls out .. then they shake us some more to make sure they got it all.

[nookandcrannycar]

I am paying 75$ per month for my 2007 Yaris RS 3 Dr LB ... and that is with collision and 2 million liability.

So .. I knew the rates in Ontario were high but that is quite high. But then again, I am getting the best rate that the insurance company offered due to many years of accident free driving.



That is very cheap .. but I am not surprised as the rates in the US are generally lower than Canada where we are turned upside down and shook til all our money falls out .. then they shake us some more to make sure they got it all.

It's not that cheap. Tooter isn't paying that much, but he's not getting that much coverage either. The minimum coverage to register a car in California is 15 Thousand Per Person/30 Thousand Per Accident Bodily Injury and 5 Thousand Property Damage. I just looked it up and was amazed it is still that amount. It was the same when I started driving and at that time I remember my mother told me it had been at that same level since at least the early 1970's. Tooter would be paying more if he lived in Bell, Compton, or Inglewood and he'd be paying less if he lived in the NW part of Woodland Hills or in Hidden Hills.

Do you have to have collision in Canada? or is it like here in the U.S. where if you paid cash for the car, you don't have to have collision? Do Canadian insurance companies ask you how many miles you drive and base your rate on that? Years ago here they asked you your annual miles when you got the policy and that was it. Then 10 + years ago insurance companies (at least in California) started asking that question every year. In Texas you have to give an affidavit of your odometer reading (at least with my company and I know some others) to get the 'mileage discount'. There really isn't any point in not giving the mileage because you have to get your car inspected every year and the inspection station gives the odometer reading to the State and the insurance company can get that information from the state. I don't carry collision and I don't think I have since I was a teenager. Many U.S. insurance carriers have a 750k to 1 million dollar liability limit on their auto policies and then the amount above that is picked up on an Umbrella Policy if you choose to have one. For me, the underlying amount below my umbrella policy is 1 million. My first insured year here (car wise) I paid 434.00 for that 1 million coverage based on 15-20k miles per year. The next year my mileage increased to 20-25k per year and my premium increased 6 dollars to 440.00. The next year (which just started a few weeks ago) my mileage increased to their 30-40k per year band and my premium increased to 480.00 per year. Given your location, liability amount, and that you're paying for collision, your rate doesn't seem high.

My zip code here in Texas = low crime rate . It is almost exactly the same as Calabasas/Hidden Hills in California.

[matti]

Your area doesn't do this already?

Quotes I received here...

2008 Corvette $105 per month
2008 Ford Crown Vic $75
2008 Yaris HB $125

:thumbdown:

Anything made by Honda or Toyota is an extra $20 a month easily. I've noticed that most Yaris/Echo drivers are especially bad but not the overly aggressive bad, or the lazy bad (not signalling etc), but the "I'm so scared I might actually crap my pants if I drive over 55mph, but I'll cut across 6 lanes of highway without even looking" totally-fucking-stunned clueless type.

I've never inquired about how much it would cost to insure any other cars in my area other than my current Yaris, two previous Corollas, a Tercel, and a few other non-Toyotas. I don't recall how the cars compare, really. I do know that my new 2012 Yaris is only $2 more per month to insure than my last car, a 2007 Corolla. Currently, I'm paying about $44/month to insure the Yaris....can't recall my exact coverage levels, though.

[edmscan]

^^^^ .. the insurance company usually is interested if you drive your car to work. Then .. they charge you more as statistically you are more likely to get into an accident coming to and from work. They do ask how many miles you drive but you are not required to prove it. And really it doesn't seem to save you much if you drive few km's.

There are lots of questions (and you cannot obviously lie or they will deny you in the event of a claim) .. but really they are not that concerned with the total mileage you drive as you are not required to get your vehicle inspected (we have no annual inspections here) or submit your mileage to a registry. (The DMV as you have in the US is privately run here by "registries" and you are not required to tell them your mileage).

EDIT: .... if your vehicle is over 10 years old, you are required to supply your insurance company with a completed vehicle inspection report, which mainly deals with the safely features of the vehicle.

As far as collision .. from what I know it is not mandatory unless you are financing your car.

I am amazed at how little liability someone like tooter has .. like the MINIMUM here in Alberta is 100,000 and most insurance companies want 1 or 2 million in liability as a minimum.

You do pay either a higher rate if you live in a high crime area (like where I live .. boo). But if you live in a low crime area .. you would pay less as they figure you are less likely to file a claim. You are also really hit hard if you are a male (particularly a young male), females pay much lower rates for insurance.

I did see recently that the average rate for insurance here in Alberta is about 1200$ ... similar to what it is in Ontario, where the rates are slightly higher than here.

[nookandcrannycar]

^^^^ .. the insurance company usually is interested if you drive your car to work. Then .. they charge you more as statistically you are more likely to get into an accident coming to and from work. They do ask how many miles you drive but you are not required to prove it. And really it doesn't seem to save you much if you drive few km's.

There are lots of questions (and you cannot obviously lie or they will deny you in the event of a claim) .. but really they are not that concerned with the total mileage you drive as you are not required to get your vehicle inspected (we have no annual inspections here) or submit your mileage to a registry. (The DMV as you have in the US is privately run here by "registries" and you are not required to tell them your mileage).

EDIT: .... if your vehicle is over 10 years old, you are required to supply your insurance company with a completed vehicle inspection report, which mainly deals with the safely features of the vehicle.

As far as collision .. from what I know it is not mandatory unless you are financing your car.

I am amazed at how little liability someone like tooter has .. like the MINIMUM here in Alberta is 100,000 and most insurance companies want 1 or 2 million in liability as a minimum.

You do pay either a higher rate if you live in a high crime area (like where I live .. boo). But if you live in a low crime area .. you would pay less as they figure you are less likely to file a claim. You are also really hit hard if you are a male (particularly a young male), females pay much lower rates for insurance.

I did see recently that the average rate for insurance here in Alberta is about 1200$ ... similar to what it is in Ontario, where the rates are slightly higher than here.

Interesting. I don't think anyone in the U.S. looks at how much liability insurance someone carries as a moral or have it even if you don't have a pressing need kind of thing. I can only think of two reasons off the top of my head why one would want to carry much more than the minimum liability. One is if you have kids and or a stay at home spouse that you don't want a potential judgement to impede providing for, and the other reason is is you have an asset base that is outside of retirement accounts that you want to protect (outside retirement accounts because assets inside a retirement account are usually protected from judgements).

When I first got the policy I have the 'mileage verification discount' was built into it. Since then, when I've had to provide the mileage verification affidavit, it was (I was informed via letter) to keep the mileage discount. I could have not sent in the affidavit and kept coverage, I just wouldn't have gotten the discount. The insurance company might be fibbing to me that I'm getting a discount by providing it, but my rates are enough lower than any other company that it is plausible.

The vehicle inspection thing where the state keeps a record of the mileage is a state by state thing -- not national. I don't know how many states have it. Texas does. California doesn't. This is actually the ONLY ISSUE I've encountered where TEXAS IS MORE ORWELLIAN THAN CALIFORNIA.

In California, if your car is beyond a certain age/considered a classic I'm pretty sure it is exempt from smog requirements and at some point a 'special' plate can be issued. I think Texas has some sort of similar program, but I don't know how it works.

[Fidelio]

its dangerous walking in some parts of the neighborhood where I live.

[nookandcrannycar]

I've never inquired about how much it would cost to insure any other cars in my area other than my current Yaris, two previous Corollas, a Tercel, and a few other non-Toyotas. I don't recall how the cars compare, really. I do know that my new 2012 Yaris is only $2 more per month to insure than my last car, a 2007 Corolla. Currently, I'm paying about $44/month to insure the Yaris....can't recall my exact coverage levels, though.

Do you have collision? If you don't have collision coverage, I wouldn't think there would be much difference (hence $2) when changing cars. If you do have collision, then that's great that your coverage only increased $2.

[MadMax]

Since the killing of the Libyan ambassador, I've noticed way more than the previous occasional military helicopter patrol and I'd imagine even military pilots are able to provide notification (indirectly if not directly) to patrol cars.

Military aviators are not allowed to assist in law enforcement, it would be a violation of the Federal Posse Comitatus Act (18 U.S.C. §1385 (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1385)) which limits the powers of local governments and law enforcement agencies in using federal military personnel to enforce the laws of the land.

This only applies to Federal forces (active duty military and the Reserves), the National Guard can do so within its home state if the appropriate authority (usually the governor) approves it or in an adjacent state if invited by that state's governor.

Back on topic, I think part of the problem for high insurance rates might be the costs of repairs and replacement parts. Go back and look at some of the threads concerning accidents, the damage doesn't appear to be that bad but the repair estimates are astronomical! Unfortunately, due to the low number of Yaris brought into this country (as compared to Civics and other similar vehicles in its class), parts are going to be expensive.

Also, many modern cars are designed to "absorb and spread" the forces of an impact so many more components will be damaged as compared to the heavy, steel cars of the past.

But I for one consider that to be a small price to pay for driving one of the coolest cars around! :headbang:

On a side note, I accidentally tore the mirror off a rental minivan we had in Key West earlier this week (a concrete pillar took it out while I was backing out in a parking lot). Luckily it was a company rental, and we always get full coverage; but I would hate to see what the final repair bill is going to be on that! :eek:

Cheers! M2

[matti]

Do you have collision? If you don't have collision coverage, I wouldn't think there would be much difference (hence $2) when changing cars. If you do have collision, then that's great that your coverage only increased $2.

Yes, I do have collision.

[nookandcrannycar]

Military aviators are not allowed to assist in law enforcement, it would be a violation of the Federal Posse Comitatus Act (18 U.S.C. §1385 (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1385)) which limits the powers of local governments and law enforcement agencies in using federal military personnel to enforce the laws of the land.

This only applies to Federal forces (active duty military and the Reserves), the National Guard can do so within its home state if the appropriate authority (usually the governor) approves it or in an adjacent state if invited by that state's governor.

Back on topic, I think part of the problem for high insurance rates might be the costs of repairs and replacement parts. Go back and look at some of the threads concerning accidents, the damage doesn't appear to be that bad but the repair estimates are astronomical! Unfortunately, due to the low number of Yaris brought into this country (as compared to Civics and other similar vehicles in its class), parts are going to be expensive.

Also, many modern cars are designed to "absorb and spread" the forces of an impact so many more components will be damaged as compared to the heavy, steel cars of the past.

But I for one consider that to be a small price to pay for driving one of the coolest cars around! :headbang:

On a side note, I accidentally tore the mirror off a rental minivan we had in Key West earlier this week (a concrete pillar took it out while I was backing out in a parking lot). Luckily it was a company rental, and we always get full coverage; but I would hate to see what the final repair bill is going to be on that! :eek:

Cheers! M2

Your first two paragraphs = extremely interesting information about required barriers between agencies.

Your third paragraph = what I was thinking as well. This is why I thought Matti might not have collision given his increase was only $2. Perhaps the extra safety features (ABS, etc.) almost exactly make up for other increased costs.

Your fifth paragraph = I whole-heartedly agree.

[nookandcrannycar]

Yes, I do have collision.

Good for you for having what seems to be such a reasonable insurance company:thumbsup:.

[nookandcrannycar]

its dangerous walking in some parts of the neighborhood where I live.

I once took a bus from Torrance to Beverly Hills. If I remember correctly, it went all the way up Western Ave from Torrance Blvd to Wilshire Blvd. It was an interesting experience. I wouldn't have walked or ridden a bike anywhere along the route.

[Rain]

Makes me feel silly to "upgrade" to a smaller car haha

I'm currently paying $80/month insurance for my Yaris sedan and Scion iQ. Hopefully that report doesn't jack insurance up. Fairly surprised they didn't want more for the iQ

[otterhere]

Well, I -- for one -- have found the body integrity, even with just a slight bump or scrape, to be LESS that reassuring! It is a very cheap car, after all... Not just small (there are smaller ones; the Smart Twofer, the VW bug, now the FIAT 500 Pop, the Mazda Miata... I could go on!)... I'll continue my search for the next great vehicle...

[12 yaris]

Does anyone here know of Crosley's,I had a '50 Super.
Sitting in the car you could have both arms hang out each door.
I also had a '59 Fiat 500 Nouva,2dr,suicide door,with a factory
sliding roof.
I also had Austin Healey Sprite,and an MG Midget.
All of these cars were very small,Most offered no seat belts,or any kind of safety features.
You had to watch out for everybody else,or keep your lights on so you could be seen while driving.
I honestly think that most of the safety features on the new cars are not needed,such as ABS,traction control,air bags,(I hoestly believe they do more harm than good).

[Rain]

Well, I -- for one -- have found the body integrity, even with just a slight bump or scrape, to be LESS that reassuring! It is a very cheap car, after all... Not just small (there are smaller ones; the Smart Twofer, the VW bug, now the FIAT 500 Pop, the Mazda Miata... I could go on!)... I'll continue my search for the next great vehicle...

I've hit a freeway wall going at least 65mph on the Yaris and the bumper was not even dented, just a few scratches that aren't even that noticeable

[FuuFuu]

Yet there are numerous accident threads on this forum where Yaris occupants survived relatively unscathed (thank God!) ...

Cheers! M2

<- ME :D

And I had a pretty nasty dealing with a tree too. Nothing but a few bumps and bruises. Though had I hit that tree in my ranger, I would've been able to drive it home hauling the driftwood behind me... :iono:

[Billiam]

I hit a very large June Bug at 70 MPH a few months ago. The front end crumpled just as it was designed to and the air bags popped as well. I walked away with just minor bumps and bruises. :thumbsup:

[bairjo]

This article is really meaningless if you think about it..

http://autos.yahoo.com/news/10-bad-luck-cars.html

[Flipper_1938]

This article is really meaningless if you think about it..

http://autos.yahoo.com/news/10-bad-luck-cars.html

If the claims are in the winter...I blame the anti-stop, oops, anti-lock brakes.

[Gogogordy]

isn't charmed by small cars. Never has been.

The IIHS is the mouthpiece for the insurance industry...not terribly objective despite the spin on statistics applied to it.

Grain of salt.

[12 yaris]

Your correct,the article is meaningless.