DIY INTAKE

[ChinoCharles]

This is the ghettoastiest (if i may) thing you have ever seen, I promise.

The goal was to make an intake that didn't throw a CEL. I didn't care if it was made out of PVC, rubber, aluminum, steel, lead... make it happen. It is meant to be a template for the steel welded version to come. Therefore, I took a jaunt to Autozone and grabbed some stuff.

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Filter, breather filter, couplers, clamps, a 3" exhaust pipe length not pictured, the hacked up bits of an xA intake, and a radiator hose from God knows what. Welcome to monster garage.

This series of pictures shows step-by-step how we built this intake. Watch some of the more "creative" routes we had to take. We didn't have everything we wished we had had, but it was 9 PM and the stores are closed. Time to make shit work.

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It sounds normal... then you hit 3000 RPM's and a bear crawls out from inside your manifold. Its absolutely refackingdiculous. 50 miles, no CEL.

[eTiMaGo]

it's ghettofabulous!

It's weird though, I'll have to double check against my stock intake components, but isn't there a small tube that hooks into the ridged rubber intake tube right before the throttle?

[ChinoCharles]

Breather tube. There is a cute little filter to match the big one popping out of my head now. It makes me laugh.

I think thats what you're referring to, right?

[esquiva]

hmm..interesting work u did there...was it from the "hacked-up xa tubing" that u were able to connect the sensor?

[ChinoCharles]

hmm..interesting work u did there...was it from the "hacked-up xa tubing" that u were able to connect the sensor?

Yes.

esquiva and anyone else that wants to go this similar route... what you're looking for is a MAF adapter for a Toyota Karman Vortex air flow meter. In order to get this to work you need to put that MAF as close to the throttle body as possible.

I may have got lucky... this type of MAF is supposed to be the most accurate and the least restrictive ever made, but it is also notoriously touchy. It needs to be mounted dead center in whatever pipe its measuring. This could be done on 3" pipe, but it would have been a fabrication nightmare and the throttle body inlet is 2" anyway, so without a larger throttle body this intake would have had to feed into 2" tubing eventually. I saved some time with the xA intake, but I'm willing to bet it could be done with parts out there on the market as well. Just look for that adapter.

Also, consider that if you DON'T get it right and throw a CEL, you're going to need an oscilloscope to understand why... don't think your shitty multimeter is going to cut it. The signal from this particular MAF is too high frequency for that.

[ChinoCharles]

OK, first of all good news for anyone who wants to follow suit and do their own DIY intake. I checked on Autozone's web site and they list an MAF adapter for the Yaris made by Spectre. It isn't available yet, but the fact that it is even in their online catalog leads me to believe that it will be. I'll keep looking.

If you sit tight you may just see a metal version of my intake for sale here soon, and for WAY less money than anyone else is charging. All proceeds will go to the "put nitrous in a Yaris" fund.

Now that I have had 24 hours and 30 highway miles to play with my new toy, let me just say WEEEEEE. It sounds incredible! I am going to try and get video of the engine bay when I gun it, but there is an instant "whoosh" followed by this growl that didn't come from that little 1NZ before. From the cabin it sounds like it has an exhaust, and I don't have an exhaust yet. There is also a noticable power difference. I shifted out of first at 34 MPH today... without bouncing the limiter. Its definitely making more power. I need to get to a dyno and figure out where it is making that power and where it may be losing power (if any). Of course it is going to run even better when I free the interior of the piping from some of the blunt edges it has now. We start manufacturing the MAF sensor plates tonight.

[Kitt]

Did you had any issues with the MAF? any check engine after that?

[ChinoCharles]

Nope, haven't seen a CEL yet on my car.

[PetersRedYaris]

Breather tube. There is a cute little filter to match the big one popping out of my head now. It makes me laugh.

I think thats what you're referring to, right?

:w00t: It actually looks descent, but isn't it better to have the small tube Etimago was talking about connected in line like it is from the factory. Please correct me if I'm wrong; With your little filter it can breath, but with the tube inline between the filter and throttle body it creates a vacuum and actually pulls gases, which can be acidic, out of your crank case. In addition, instead of letting these gases float out your little filter, pulling them through the engine burns them up and reduces emissions. Yes? No? Am I retarded? Don't answer that second one.

[spkrman]

awesome :)

now get that intake made foo!

On that note, I had my various intake renditions hold for a day or 2...but always a cel.

And on that note again, pep boys already had a MAF adapter, although for the life of me i cant figure out why the hell i couldnt get the car to run properly with it in place.

[yrsdrgn]

That looks pretty nice ChinoCharles. Keep up the good work:thumbup:

[jdubau55]

NICE!!! What is the cost with this? And how fast could you swap the stocker in....say if you had to have warranty work done?

[ChinoCharles]

:w00t: It actually looks descent, but isn't it better to have the small tube Etimago was talking about connected in line like it is from the factory. Please correct me if I'm wrong; With your little filter it can breath, but with the tube inline between the filter and throttle body it creates a vacuum and actually pulls gases, which can be acidic, out of your crank case. In addition, instead of letting these gases float out your little filter, pulling them through the engine burns them up and reduces emissions. Yes? No? Am I retarded? Don't answer that second one.

You know, I'm not entirely sure Peter, but I'll run this post by the guy I am working on this with. He will be able to explain the breather filter better... he's the real expert in this. I just give him a bank account, a new car and some info! Sit tight.

And on that note again, pep boys already had a MAF adapter, although for the life of me i cant figure out why the hell i couldnt get the car to run properly with it in place.

Did you end up taking pictures of it? If so link me to the picture or post it in here.

NICE!!! What is the cost with this? And how fast could you swap the stocker in....say if you had to have warranty work done?

The ghetto mockup cost $100, but that was because we are in a rush. If we weren't we could have done this cleaner and cheaper... probably half of that. We want to get this intake built and sold so I can cover my ass on the cost of building it AND so we can take the profits and go straight for the spray! I just want to rep this site and you guys... this community. Getting her to go fast RIGHT NOW on a budget is going to shut the naysayers up right quick, and I'm banking on it bringing some serious attention to this seemingly humble little bubble of a car.

After running preliminary numbers on the cost of raw materials, my aim for this intake is 160 bucks shipped at the most. If I can do it cheaper I will, but at the very least this intake will be far more affordable than anything else out there, and you won't be skimping on quality. Trust me, this little intake... hahaha. Its pretty sweet.

Want to make this happen faster? Post in this thread and tell us you'll be in on the group buy... which, by the way, will knock that price down even more. Give us an idea of what demand would be like, because how cheap we can do this relies on how many we are planning on selling. Right now I'm under the assumption that this is going to be a one or two time deal, but if you guys want to see this stay on the market, I need your help! Buy 'em while they're dirt cheap!

[PetersRedYaris]

A non-cold air intake interests me. I don't want my filter down low in front of the car getting wet. Is it a dry filter or oiled and what brand?

[ChinoCharles]

It is oiled and it is the generic Autozone style "Power Adder." Remember, this is just a mockup! However, for all intents and purposes my filter is a silver K&N. Came with the same warranty... I'd bet you they're made by the same people.

Which brings me to another question... what type of filter would you guys like to see? I even threw around the idea of selling these with no filter and keeping them REALLY cheap. I know there have been threads about the best filter, and of course like anything else on these forums nobody can agree. :wink: What do you guys think? Oiled? Dry? K&N? Something else? Or just screw it, sell the pipe and let the buyer choose what type of filter he wants?

[eTiMaGo]

It is oiled and it is the generic Autozone style "Power Adder." Remember, this is just a mockup! However, for all intents and purposes my filter is a silver K&N. Came with the same warranty... I'd bet you they're made by the same people.

Which brings me to another question... what type of filter would you guys like to see? I even threw around the idea of selling these with no filter and keeping them REALLY cheap. I know there have been threads about the best filter, and of course like anything else on these forums nobody can agree. :wink: What do you guys think? Oiled? Dry? K&N? Something else? Or just screw it, sell the pipe and let the buyer choose what type of filter he wants?

Actually you might be on to something here... Some people might prefer a K&N cone filter, some might prefer an HKS mushroom filter, etc... Giving the customer the choice is not a bad idea.

[ChinoCharles]

That is the nice thing... I am going to do what you guys want! How many times does the manufacturer come to the community beforehand and actually ASK WHAT THE HELL THEY WANT.

WHAT A NOVEL FUCKING CONCEPT.

So, c'mon, vote on it... if you have any ideas I haven't mentioned, spill it! Lets get some dialogue going so in a few days I have a nice, full thread to reference when we finally sit down with some pipe.

[BASKIN.N/A-HONDA]

if anyone has any questions regarding the intake or the nitrous setup on the yaris send them my way.

[blake111887]

this has to be the best thing ive seen or heard of so far, dude i really trhink that ifyou get this goin for as cheap as you say you can, and even cheaper depending on demand as you said, you should get some real feedback from yaris enthusiast such as ourselves.

Hell ive wanted an intake system for my yaris for about 2 1/2 months now but they are sooooooo expensive. And if you want help with the marketing i could help there as far as creating ads, and posters and what not, message me if you feel like it

but definitely go through with this one.

[BASKIN.N/A-HONDA]

hey all you yaris fans, i'm new to this forum shit and computers in general, but i'd like to give you some input on the intake. the final product will be a very well desinged and thought out process of development, and the final cosmetic results will also be top notch! i've built a couple of intake systems for cars before in the past. some using m.a.p. sensors and some using m.a.f. sensors, map sensors obviously being easier. civics,crx,acura integra and legend, merkur,my supra,rx-7, and accord. the toyota uses a new style m.a.f. sensor wich is referred to as the karmen votex. this type does not uses resistors and thermotransducers. it uses a mirror mounted on a thin wire that the air vortex created by the karmen vortex baffle osocilates the air in a certain pattern to move the mirror. there is also a l.e.d. mounted at an angle towards the mirror and a phototransistor on the other end that reads the light reflecting from the mirror wich is the converted to a.c. voltage and sent to the e.c.u. and evaluated. (if that makes sense to you) the placement of this sensor is very difficult due to the fact that it is much more sensitive to air flow/volume and engine load. the exact placement can be found by using an asciliscope that has data saving capabilities and reading the voltage pattern on the stock sensor, then placing the sensor, reading its voltage pattern, and comparing the two and adjusting as necesarry untill the patterns are close.(a little bit of triall and error on our part but we did it!) the m.a.f. sensor will pick up on the rest and adjust the fuel as needed, thus not letting the engine run to lean. a fuel pressure regulator is always a good idea so that ultimate tuning can be achieved. the filter i chose i have used for the past several years. it is your generic k 'n' n filter and is made from the same material and quality. also comes with a ten year 100,000 mile waranty....just like k 'n' n. the reason i use oil filters verses dry is for the shear fact that oil will help trap more dirt, ultimatley resulting in cleaner filtration!, it will need cleaned more often,about every other oil change. a recharge kit is twelve bucks and it takes five minutes. but as far as i'm concerned it's worth it to your engine. aslo the oil in the filter will not hurt the m.a.f sensor because it doesn't uses heated resistors that the oil can film on and insulate resulting in bad voltage paterns. as far as you daily drivers want to go the intake will supply you with the lower to mid range performance that your looking for with a basic install of hand tools and a half hour of your time. for you guys that are thinking "homemade" i'll fill you in on what i have at my disposal. first off i have a A.S.E master tech certification at ohio technical college and outdoor power equipment certs in echo,stihl,mtd,cub cadet, kawasawki,suzuki,robin,briggs and stratton,scag,encore,tecumseh,honda,vangard,toro,p arker hydraulics,and myers,western,and boss snowplow products. i've worked at sohars all seasons ( www.rcpw.com )for eight years and have all the tools welders bead blasters etc. and the knowledge to use them! my dad also owns a shop with a full machine crew/machines and two c.n.c. mills. i am also the buddy of chino charles who did the crank pulley, tach, custom short shifter, shark fin, and the "betty" intake.(i'll tell you guys about the zex kit on a crx sometime!) i hope this is enough info for now, it's a good backround of where i come from and the intake is being produced from as well as the outcome quality of the product. once again i'm new to this forum shit (and i hate computers) so if it takes me a day to respond please be patient. feel free to send me any questions you have. and remember........SUPERBIKES!
If you have to ask, you just won't understand,
It's the horsepower stupid!

[eTiMaGo]

wow, good to have someone else so knowledgeable on board :smile:

Vortex MAF sensors sound quite complicated, but it does sound like they will not slowly get less accurate over time.

Keep us posted on progress!

[ChinoCharles]

It's the horsepower stupid!

I'm getting that tattooed on my ass.

Parted out Scion xA intake: $35 overnighted via FedEX
"Ugly Betty" ghettotake: $65 on Visa debit card
Seeing Baskin post on a Yaris forum: Priceless.

There are some things in the world Hitler would find funny.
This is one of them.

[eTiMaGo]

I'm getting that tattooed on my ass.

so as to attract horses to your ass? you sick sick twisted little man...

[ChinoCharles]

:smoking: :iono:

[BASKIN.N/A-HONDA]

SO WHO WANTS ONE? GIVE ME SOME IDEAS HERE GUYS ON HOW MANY TO START WITH.

[ChinoCharles]

Bump for interest!!!

Betty 2.0 begins tonight! We've got pipe, plate and a coupler for the TB!

[Nutzoids]

Bump for interest!!!

Betty 2.0 begins tonight! We've got pipe, plate and a coupler for the TB!


Chino... How much will it be?

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[[FR] Sébastien Loeb]

when buliding an intake with many pieces and tubes combain together, the air flow will not flow as free as an intake that is build with just one or two tubes together such as most of the aftermarket intake kits ( TRD, AEM, ect...) therefore you are better off getting an aftermarket intake kit to get the most air flow out of it.

[ChinoCharles]

Chino... How much will it be?

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Lets just say in a group buy situation you're looking at about 80-100 bucks shipped with no filters... maybe even less if we can get 15 or 20 people in on it. We still haven't sourced all necessary parts, so it'll be a few days before we know for sure...

when buliding an intake with many pieces and tubes combain together, the air flow will not flow as free as an intake that is build with just one or two tubes together such as most of the aftermarket intake kits ( TRD, AEM, ect...) therefore you are better off getting an aftermarket intake kit to get the most air flow out of it.

Shut your face Loeb! :bellyroll: No, you're right... the smoother the pipe, the better the flow. However, the finished version will have two couplers, and only one will be funtional in air flow... two pipes, one with the MAF adapter, and two couplers, one for the throttle body and one for the 2" to 3" flare... other than that, straight aluminized steel pipe. I told you... that was just the mockup! If you want to spend 150 extra bucks (at least) to avoid one little coupler, be my guest! But please, spare me a lecture on the basics.

[jdubau55]

Its all on how you pieced it together. As long as the "steps" were placed right. Say the first connection in inside and the second outside. Then the air never encounters a "lip" to flow over.

[BASKIN.N/A-HONDA]

good job and well spoken jdubau55, at least somebody's thinking before they speak.

[[FR] Sébastien Loeb]

Its all on how you pieced it together. As long as the "steps" were placed right. Say the first connection in inside and the second outside. Then the air never encounters a "lip" to flow over.

Even with the connection from In to Out, the air flow still does not flow as free as a one piece pipe, also the In to Out connection limits the air flow due to the tube being narrow down more and more as you connect it from In to Out.

good job and well spoken jdubau55, at least somebody's thinking before they speak.

yes, think again before you speak

[CASTREX]

Is Chino making an intake for a Ferrari or something?

Mr. Loeb is totally right guys! With all those parts you will be loosing maybe 10%-15% of the power that a fancy intake can give you due to flow inefficiency.

Supposing a 4-5 hp gain, a 15% loss will be 0.6 - 0.75 hp.

So..... 0.75 hp Vs. $150 saving. What do you think???

Good luck with your business Chino! :thumbsup: Too bad I already have one of the fancy intakes... otherwise I will be sending you my cash for sure.

[ChinoCharles]

Is Chino making an intake for a Ferrari or something?

Mr. Loeb is totally right guys! With all those parts you will be loosing maybe 10%-15% of the power that a fancy intake can give you due to flow inefficiency.

Supposing a 4-5 hp gain, a 15% loss will be 0.6 - 0.75 hp.

So..... 0.75 hp Vs. $150 saving. What do you think???

Good luck with your business Chino! :thumbsup: Too bad I already have one of the fancy intakes... otherwise I will be sending you my cash for sure.

Thanks for the kind words CASTREX.

If it makes you guys feel any better, I finally have my appointment at the dyno this Sunday. The regional Mustang Dyno tech is coming in to make sure this time around our readings are accurate. I am not even going to bother dynoing the Megan header again. The goal is by Sunday we want to have the production prototype finished and on the car so we can get accurate readings. The mockup that is on there now would read out at a tad less power due to the 1/4" wall sitting in the piping right now. I'll take lots of pictures.

[blake111887]

cool, hope the dyno testing goes well, i still think that when you have the product all finished and done with its going to be something to brag about, i mean tlike you said this is a mock up product not the real deal so if you get the project on the way then i think that this will be a performance part a lot of yaris owners will want to have.

[ChinoCharles]

I have a LOT of help. I can't weld, CNC machine, use a drill press... I'm wrenchtarded. You guys saw how well the header install went. :laugh: There are a lot of people here involved in this project... you'd be amazed how the old-school tuners light up when you tell them you want to put spray in a 1.5 L econobox, or when you tell them you have a working prototype of a possible production intake. Even Chris... he's all the way in New Jersey but I couldn't have done this without him.

Don't thank me, thank them... and yourselves for that matter. The feedback we're getting is encouraging to say the least. Exciting is more like it... and it seems every problem I come across, you guys have an answer. Even some of the ones I'm not aware of yet (like the FPR in the tank) are brought to my attention without me even asking.

You guys kick ass. If I can get a cheap intake built with a little help from my friends, its the least I could do.

[PetersRedYaris]

What about ONLY making a piece to mount the m.a.f.? By keeping all the origional rubber hoses present, one could remove the entire plastic airbox, mount the m.a.f. in this new short piece of pipe, and put a filter on that. It would be short, it would have good flow, and it would be EXTREMELY simple to produce. I only ask this because I would like to keep that small rubber hose where it is and have no second "tiny filter".

Oh yeah, good work Chino!!!

[jdubau55]

The steps arent something a lil silicon gel applied to the joint to make it a smooth transition wouldnt take care of. Also, as long as the last piece is the same size as the TB opening it wont really matter. When you decrease the size it increases the pressure as well. Im no fluids engineer, but maybe a slightly larger at one end going to slightly smaller at the other would make a better intake? In anyway the amount lost from this system pieced together like it is will never be noticed. Even on a dyno the difference would probably go un-noticed.


Great job with this CC. I like seeing people that don't just go out and buy what is the "best" but rather DIY and get good results. You get more satifaction that way.

[eTiMaGo]

What about ONLY making a piece to mount the m.a.f.? By keeping all the origional rubber hoses present, one could remove the entire plastic airbox, mount the m.a.f. in this new short piece of pipe, and put a filter on that. It would be short, it would have good flow, and it would be EXTREMELY simple to produce. I only ask this because I would like to keep that small rubber hose where it is and have no second "tiny filter".

Oh yeah, good work Chino!!!

That is more or less what I have, but there's not really enough space due to the length of that first piece of tubing.

[ChinoCharles]

There seems to be a misunderstanding regarding the smoothness of the interior of our proposed production intake. Let me clarify.

This intake kit will include a 2" to 2" coupler, a length of mandrel-bent 2" pipe with a welded MAF mount, a 2" to 3" coupler, a VERY short length of 3" tubing that will not be visible in the system, and a filter... and the necessary clamps. Now, think about this... the first joint is on the throttle body. You have 2" pipe coupled to 2" pipe with a 2" coupler. Smooth. Second joint is 2" pipe to 3" pipe, but the coupler is cone-shaped so the airflow coming into your 2" pipe still isn't hitting a flat surface (in relation to airflow). Everything is SMOOTH. The version on there isn't and it still works like a damn charm, so I have every reason to believe the next version will be that much better! Seriously, I feel bad for you guys that you can't sit in my car for a minute and hear that engine. I've had quite a tough time keeping my foot off the floor.

I WISH I HAD A FUCKING DIGITAL CAMCORDER! Anyone in Ohio willing to hook a video up for me?

Sure, we could manufacture the plates and sell them, but then what? You guys are talking about using silicon adhesive on your permanent intakes? I can't condone this shit! :laugh: All kidding aside, the real reason is this... OK, so I make the plate and weld it in and we sell them. That is 75% of the work right there... you're going to pay 75% of the price. All you're getting over that is couplings (which are cheap as hell), hose clamps (which are also cheap as hell), a length of 3" pipe (cheap) and a filter. This is why I don't see any reason to just sell the MAF plate. Leaving the filter out... that is definitely going to be an option. I guess we will probably sell the MAF tubing also, but understand you're going to be paying close to what it would cost for the whole she-bang. 75% of the research, time, effort, work, bought parts and tools... have been associated with that little length of pipe.

[blake111887]

hmm, interesting progress chino, still wishin best of luck, im actually wrkin on an intake design myself until you fabricate this one lol but i cant wait to purchase this dude. again best of luck.:respekt:

[Black Yaris]

There seems to be a misunderstanding regarding the smoothness of the interior of our proposed production intake. Let me clarify.

This intake kit will include a 2" to 2" coupler, a length of mandrel-bent 2" pipe with a welded MAF mount, a 2" to 3" coupler, a VERY short length of 3" tubing that will not be visible in the system, and a filter... and the necessary clamps. Now, think about this... the first joint is on the throttle body. You have 2" pipe coupled to 2" pipe with a 2" coupler. Smooth. Second joint is 2" pipe to 3" pipe, but the coupler is cone-shaped so the airflow coming into your 2" pipe still isn't hitting a flat surface (in relation to airflow). Everything is SMOOTH. The version on there isn't and it still works like a damn charm, so I have every reason to believe the next version will be that much better! Seriously, I feel bad for you guys that you can't sit in my car for a minute and hear that engine. I've had quite a tough time keeping my foot off the floor.

I WISH I HAD A FUCKING DIGITAL CAMCORDER! Anyone in Ohio willing to hook a video up for me?

Sure, we could manufacture the plates and sell them, but then what? You guys are talking about using silicon adhesive on your permanent intakes? I can't condone this shit! :laugh: All kidding aside, the real reason is this... OK, so I make the plate and weld it in and we sell them. That is 75% of the work right there... you're going to pay 75% of the price. All you're getting over that is couplings (which are cheap as hell), hose clamps (which are also cheap as hell), a length of 3" pipe (cheap) and a filter. This is why I don't see any reason to just sell the MAF plate. Leaving the filter out... that is definitely going to be an option. I guess we will probably sell the MAF tubing also, but understand you're going to be paying close to what it would cost for the whole she-bang. 75% of the research, time, effort, work, bought parts and tools... have been associated with that little length of pipe.

A) I have a digital Cam
B) I live in Ohio

[ChinoCharles]

A) I have a digital Cam
B) I live in Ohio

What are you doing tomorrow at noon? I could stand for two hours on the turnpike. :biggrin:

[PetersRedYaris]

eTiMaGo, Where did you get that intake and what did you pay?

[eTiMaGo]

It's cobbled together from a Simota filter and casing, and some tubing. The workshop here had the MAF holder, though I am not sure if they fabbed it themselves or it was pre-made.

[ChinoCharles]

I'm going to Toledo tomorrow... Joe (Black Yaris) was nice enough to agree to take some video w/ sound clips of ugly Betty. Not only that, but I can stand next to the TRD intake and compare the two. NOICE!

[Black Yaris]

Hmm... Chino, Says you are online, yet I lust talked to you a bit ago, and I am sure you are about 3/4 the way here now..... you got some crazy wireless computer set up in that Yaris of yours or something? Geuss we'll see in a few.

OH YEAH OHIO YARII MEET AT MY HOUSE TODAY
1. Black Yaris
2. ChinoCharles

Geuss that about does it for Yarii in Ohio

[ChinoCharles]

HUGE thanks to Joe (Black Yaris) for a nice day of talking Yarii.

He took video of ugly betty and it should be posted shortly. He has the TRD intake and I can tell you Betty sucks harder and growls louder. She's a man eater. Whether or not she actually makes power... we will know tomorrow.

Joe was nice enough to hook me up with some blue parking LED's and a black front T badge too. What a guy! :thumbsup: Yaris owners... the coolest around.

I'll post pictures later. I'm late for work!

[Black Yaris]

Video will be up tonight..... I just have to figure out my wife's camera :iono:
Ya'll will be suprised one how nice this intake sounds, it don't look that bad for a prototype either

[ChinoCharles]

VIDEO OF PROTOTYPE W/ SOUND C/O BLACKYARIS!

http://yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4246
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[ChinoCharles]

I crunched the numbers on my trip out to Toledo today.

First of all, my average speed was 80. I touched 115 once, other than that I kept between 80 and 85, but to be fair we'll call it 80. I drove 269 miles including a couple of short city trips afterwards that amounted to about 5 miles. I filled up before I left because I was curious to see if the intake had any effect on gas mileage. I get back and go to the station and fill up again. From what I have read around the forums, I should be looking at around 30 MPG. I fill up at 8.1 gallons.

33.2 MPG.

Now, confirm or deny my thinking on this. I haven't run this by anyone yet.

I don't know if this engine is necessarily getting colder air as the intake is placed in the engine bay, but I can say that it is getting more air. You can hear it. The MAF sensor measures this increased flow and outputs this information in the form of a high-frequency signal. The ECU reads this signal and adjusts the air/fuel ratio accordingly... it will either run rich or lean depending on what the throttle body is demanding. Cars generally fluctuate between rich and lean constantly, a fact that you will become accustomed to if you ever get an AFR gauge. Anyway, since the engine is getting more air it needs less fuel to start a combustion reaction. This is the basis of an engine... oxygen catalyzes the reaction that occurs when a spark is added to fuel. More oxygen means the car will know it needs less fuel to get going, and in this way an intake can affect gas mileage.

Also, by this logic then an intake by itself on a car is NOT a speed mod. It is an economy mod, unless you have the supporting mods to get MORE fuel into the cylinder DESPITE what the MAF is telling the ECU. This is why an adjustable fuel pump and some type of tuning software is necessary to make a true performance-oriented 1NZ, no matter how you're getting oxygen into the cylinder. (NOS, turbo, supercharger, etc)

Am I right on this?

[TrancosRt]

Can't help you with the logic Charles, but while more oxigen accounts for less fuel, you still need a fuel + oxigen mix, so there is only so much fuel you can save (if you follow my drift). However, I suck at chemistry, so ignore my comments if you want (I, like you, am a CS student... C++ rulez :P)

BTW, I'm up for one of these intakes! (Specially if you an keep it in the <=$100!).

[jdubau55]

Wonder what it would cost to get some of the adapters ran at an injection molded plastics plant? If I could get my hands on an adapter I could make a quick 3D model to send out to different vendors to get a price quote on. However, there is an adapter that you can purchase at like Autozone right? It's just not available yet?

[Black Yaris]

jdubau.. you taklin abou the MAF adapter? Yeah that has to be machined, and/molded in plastic

[jdubau55]

Why machined? Seems like a simple part. I guess putting the threads in it could be considered machining.

[PetersRedYaris]

I crunched the numbers on my trip out to Toledo today.

First of all, my average speed was 80. I touched 115 once, other than that I kept between 80 and 85, but to be fair we'll call it 80. I drove 269 miles including a couple of short city trips afterwards that amounted to about 5 miles. I filled up before I left because I was curious to see if the intake had any effect on gas mileage. I get back and go to the station and fill up again. From what I have read around the forums, I should be looking at around 30 MPG. I fill up at 8.1 gallons.

33.2 MPG.

Now, confirm or deny my thinking on this. I haven't run this by anyone yet.

I don't know if this engine is necessarily getting colder air as the intake is placed in the engine bay, but I can say that it is getting more air. You can hear it. The MAF sensor measures this increased flow and outputs this information in the form of a high-frequency signal. The ECU reads this signal and adjusts the air/fuel ratio accordingly... it will either run rich or lean depending on what the throttle body is demanding. Cars generally fluctuate between rich and lean constantly, a fact that you will become accustomed to if you ever get an AFR gauge. Anyway, since the engine is getting more air it needs less fuel to start a combustion reaction. This is the basis of an engine... oxygen catalyzes the reaction that occurs when a spark is added to fuel. More oxygen means the car will know it needs less fuel to get going, and in this way an intake can affect gas mileage.

Also, by this logic then an intake by itself on a car is NOT a speed mod. It is an economy mod, unless you have the supporting mods to get MORE fuel into the cylinder DESPITE what the MAF is telling the ECU. This is why an adjustable fuel pump and some type of tuning software is necessary to make a true performance-oriented 1NZ, no matter how you're getting oxygen into the cylinder. (NOS)

Am I right on this?

That seem's backwards to me. I'm quite certain that if you increase airflow you must also increase fuel to keep your air/fuel ratio optimal. This is why more fuel is required with forced induction; because all a turbo or supercharger is really doing is forcing more air into the engine and the more air/fuel, the bigger the combustion. I think the main reason you see gains with a highflow intake is because it decreases resistance on the engine. Analogous to a lightened pully, less resistence leads to less power being saped away. So, the easier air can get into and out of the engine (highflow intake and exhaust), the less drag you have on the engine. I don't really know, however, this is just how I always thought it worked.:smile:

[Black Yaris]

Why machined? Seems like a simple part. I guess putting the threads in it could be considered machining.

well if you are going to make it out of steel or aluminum..... you will have you machine it, be kinda hard to make it out of hand tools. Well if you were going to make it out of wood, then all you would need is some wood screws a drill and a saw :)

[jdubau55]

I was saying make a CAD 3D model of it. Then send the CAD file to various vendors to see the cost of production. You could make it one continuous piece then. Heck no I would make a hand shaped model of it silly :rolleyes:

[ChinoCharles]

3758

:clap:

I'm going to be spending a lot of time on rollers if this car is going to have any kind of performance. Frequent trips to the dyno can be expensive, unless of course you sell your windshield as real estate. I'll never pay full price again, but I will put 20,000 miles on a year with that sticker on my window. Fair trade... TI can do some other stuff too, some of which I may look into soon.

She was so fast we had to strap her down!

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... :rolleyes: :laugh: I'm going to spend a few days stewing on the results. For you experts, here is one to tinker with in the meantime.

My car has an intake, header, and pulley and it is running rich. You guys all said it would run lean. What does this mean?

[eTiMaGo]

sticker looks good, you little dyno wh0re :biggrin:, I thought you were gonna put it at the back?

[ChinoCharles]

I was going to put it in the back, but it fit so nicely in my window stripe that I figured I'd put it on the front instead. The back is already so clean, why ruin it? That would be as dumb as having a rear wiper on a Yaris.

OH BURN! :laugh:

Anyone want to take a crack at these results? The car is running super rich now... I'm talking in the low 11's at WOT. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?

[asmodai650]

My .02's worth: You've increased the amount of incoming air. In order for your cars computer to overcome this lean condition, it starts taking more fuel. In other words, a lean condition creates a rich command in the computer, and vice versa. I've never heard of just an intake swap doing this. When you mention low 11's, I'm assuming your talking air to fuel ratio, correct? Are your plugs starting to foul out, what do they look like?

[asmodai650]

Don't want to hijack your thread, but I'm currently getting 35 mpg daily doing 75 on the highway and short city trips in my sedan. Gotta love this car.

[ChinoCharles]

Yes, we were running a low 11 AFR at WOT... and we have never heard of an intake doing that either.

That gives this intake some pronounced advantages and some pronounced disadvantages. One thing is for sure... I am going to see a rather substantial increase in gas mileage and power very soon.

Haven't looked at the plugs yet, but she is still running fine. I'll have to pull them out and take a looksie. They need to go soon anyway... time for some real spark.

Ashley, say something. :laugh:

[Black Yaris]

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j111/jthomas43613/car%20shit/100_0912.jpg
She sound much throatier now... thinking about putting a breather on the crankcase orface tube and plug the hole in the CAI so she breath fresh air

[KSIbucky]

:redface: She sound much throatier now... thinking about putting a breather on the crankcase orface tube and plug the hole in the CAI so she breath fresh air

may i ask what you did

[jdubau55]

Here you put it on the dyno then "stew" on the results. Bastard.....

[Black Yaris]

here is the b4 pic... the filter sat just under the headlight
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j111/jthomas43613/intake.jpg

[ChinoCharles]

:bow: :clap: :headbang: :drinking:

I promise you you're the only one in the country with the betTRD.

[Black Yaris]

:bow: :clap: :headbang: :drinking:

I promise you you're the only one in the country with the betTRD.

BET?

[ChinoCharles]

BETTY-RD

[Black Yaris]

Gotcha..... I just call it a TuRD

[blake111887]

wussup chino, low 11's huh? thats pretty cool man, dont know how you did it but you did. your on to something man, i just cant wait till you start producing it, cuz im definitely getting one. and the engine sound pretty damn beastly btw your bringin a whole new light to the 1NZ's.:clap: :thumbsup: :respekt:

[ChinoCharles]

Low 11's when it comes to your air-fuel ratio, not quarter mile times if that is what you thought I meant.

My car is definitely faster with this intake. The graphs prove that much. Peak HP increased a bit and torque stayed pretty much the same, but the difference is in how soon I am getting power and how late I am losing it. By about 3000 RPM I am within 3 ft/lbs of peak torque, and that doesn't change until about 5200 RPM. That makes me extremely happy.

The kicker is the AFR readings with the new parts... still not sure what to make of it. We will see what it is with the exhaust on.

[eTiMaGo]

AFR numbers look pretty much on par with what I am seeing.

I'd be curious to put my stock air box back on and see if there's a difference...

[ChinoCharles]

Yeah, but your intake is weird. Are you running a wideband? You should throw the stockie on and see what happens... takes 10 minutes. :biggrin: Pwetty pweeze?

I may help throw Joe's car on the dyno this weekend. If that TRD intake runs rich, watch out... I am going to explode.

[eTiMaGo]

Yes... you have your ugly Betty, I have my TwistyTake... :biggrin:

I'm pretty sure my sensor is not wideband, might look into upgrading in the future. How are you getting your readings? At the dyno place, or do you have a new sensor we do not know about?

Gonna be a busy week here, so it sounds like it'll be a weekend project :smile:

[ChinoCharles]

Dyno gives AFR, as well as 4089374872 other readings. Pretty cool shit. I wish I magically had a wideband and AFR gauge... thats about one grand down the road though.

Thomas, don't worry about it... well, don't do it for me. If you're curious yourself, swap them, but I'll find what I'm looking for one way or another.

Tomorrow is supposed to be just uber nice weather here, so I am going to do some fun stuff to the ride. Painted rear badge, a more involved light tinting and a finished power window kit. I'm just excited to get outside.

[eTiMaGo]

Thomas, don't worry about it... well, don't do it for me. If you're curious yourself, swap them, but I'll find what I'm looking for one way or another.


Don't worry darling, I would do anything for you :eyebulge:

Ah nothing like a sunny modding day... Have fun!

[Black Yaris]

Dyno gives AFR, as well as 4089374872 other readings.

you relize that is someones phone # in San Jose CA?

[eTiMaGo]

who's gonna dare to prank call..

"You just won a Toyota Yaris courtesy of yarisworld dot com! Just send us $15,000 to ship it over to you!"

[blake111887]

Low 11's when it comes to your air-fuel ratio, not quarter mile times if that is what you thought I meant.

My car is definitely faster with this intake. The graphs prove that much. Peak HP increased a bit and torque stayed pretty much the same, but the difference is in how soon I am getting power and how late I am losing it. By about 3000 RPM I am within 3 ft/lbs of peak torque, and that doesn't change until about 5200 RPM. That makes me extremely happy.

The kicker is the AFR readings with the new parts... still not sure what to make of it. We will see what it is with the exhaust on.

yea i know AFR low 11's thats still pretty danm good, and and increase in HP early in the rpms up to the late 5200's not bad either, with an exaust you should deffinitly see a greater increase in the performance of this intake. all that air needs help getting outta the engine and thats what the exaust does.
it should help.

[Black Yaris]

WTF.... I jump in my car first thing in the morn, and my car threw a check engine light... WTF???? I double checked all connections, everything a-ok... WTF... why does my car not like the modded TRD intake... it is 95% like Chino's.... I am going to swap back to the stock box for shits and giggles to make the light go away then work from that... more updates later

BTW... It is FUCKIN BEAUTIFUL outside in Ohio today... think they said 70... my ass is out side all day, I only came in to make this post, and to check my email

[ChinoCharles]

Aw, sorry to hear that Joe! BOOOO if you need it cleared we've got the hardware.

And yes, its fucking crazy outside. I just found the problem with my window kit so that is almost finished now, I'm zip tying and putting panels back on as we speak. Headlights are coming off too... if I can figure out how. :laugh:

[Black Yaris]

Aw, sorry to hear that Joe! BOOOO if you need it cleared we've got the hardware.

And yes, its fucking crazy outside. I just found the problem with my window kit so that is almost finished now, I'm zip tying and putting panels back on as we speak. Headlights are coming off too... if I can figure out how. :laugh:

are you painting your healights tonight aswell? I figured while I had my bumper pulled down to reinstall the FULL TuRD intake I will just bake my lights and paint them, go down to the AZ and get the LED's to replace those ugly orange stocks... Today would have been a good day to road trip out that way... but I am doing too much shit around the house and to my car :)

[ChinoCharles]

The headlights are already out. I'm masking them now... and my power windows work again.

[Black Yaris]

The headlights are already out. I'm masking them now... and my power windows work again.

damn you chino... you are already ahead of me... I have to wait till the wife goes to work so she don't bitch.... you baking them? or they just pulling apart in the warm temp we are having today?

Damn this is a far cry from DIY intake:offtopic:

[ChinoCharles]

Its all good. Its my thread. -Cartman voice- I do what I want! :wink:

Not baking them or pulling them apart. I'm selling out... I bought a can of night shades. I'm redoing the tail lights and side markers to look the same as they did with the vinyl but a tad darker. The headlights are getting eyebrows. No more orange reflector.

[Black Yaris]

where ya get the night shades? and how much?

[ChinoCharles]

Summit racing, cheap as hell. I think it was 6 bucks a can or something. Honestly, I have been a lifelong hater of tint-in-a-can, but so many owners here have had luck with it that I figure what the hell... worse comes to worse I'll strip it off.

[Black Yaris]

wish I would have known you can get it there... I would have had you pick a can up b4 you came here... I have been wanting to redo my taillights... my I been lookin at those pix with our cars next to each other and your dark tails make my car look bad...everything else on my car is black... but the tails :(

[ChinoCharles]

Makes it look so fresh and so clean clean clean...

On a brighter, more on-topic note, Betty goes to the shop today. By next week you may see an intake and exhaust for sale... for a combined price that will make you giggle.

[Black Yaris]

Chino with no ride :(

[ChinoCharles]

Just for a day. :biggrin:

3797

3798

[Black Yaris]

she looks so sad :(

[eTiMaGo]

OMG her face broken and eyes ripped out... Yaris snuff pics!

[Chris07LB]

wft? :iono:

[KSIbucky]

did you use the stock screws on maf

[ChinoCharles]

did you use the stock screws on maf

No.

[blake111887]

Makes it look so fresh and so clean clean clean...

On a brighter, more on-topic note, Betty goes to the shop today. By next week you may see an intake and exhaust for sale... for a combined price that will make you giggle.

Yaris has been violated lol, but next week huh didnt expect it to launch so soon, cant wait for it dude ive been waitin this whole thread for it, pricing pricing why will it make us giggle. im curious now to know how much it is:eyebulge: :coolpics: :coolpics:

[Chris07LB]

Might have to jump in on this. :wink:

[ChinoCharles]

I just got an e-mail from the dyno... they must have ZPI-titis. Their welder will be gone this weekend, so that means no test pipe for me. I wish I was dead. Guess it'll have to wait till next weekend.

In the meantime, I'm FINALLY driving the prototype up there tomorrow. I know I said I was going to ship it overnight, but the investment I've made in this project is already getting crazy. I'm going to have right around $1000 of my own money sunk into this by the time we start finishing them... kinda crazy.

Then we sit here and wait for MAF plates. I got to see an adapter they did for a custom Mustang CAI and I have to say it was pretty sweet. Whereas the hacked-up xA intake was a plate sunk into the piping, these adapters are concave so they fit to the contour of the pipe you're using. You literally cut a hole, slap it on and get to welding. Should make life very easy for us, but most importantly it makes the piece look very clean and professional.

Also, we finally sourced all the couplers we would need. We are using Turbonetics silicon tubing couplers. They're a little more expensive, but again, it makes the piece look cleaner, and it doesn't change the pricing goal that much.

Bippity boppity boo motherfuckers. I'm hoping for the group buy next weekend, but don't hold your breath. As I am finding out quickly in this mess, anything can happen. The more realistic, less optimistic guess is that you guys will see the first final product the weekend of the 31st. Then she goes out for some "independent testing" with the group buy nipping at the heels.

[Chris07LB]

where's the evil grin smiley when you need it....

[ChinoCharles]

:evil:

[Black Yaris]

Road trippin for the Ohio boys this weekend I see.... There ain't much else here to do though, if we ain't workin, we are workin on our cars, or going to see people for new ideas to do more work on our cars.... Hey good idea... when it gets warm,
CEDAR POINT-Yaris Adventure Extreme
What do ya'll think?

[ChinoCharles]

Best idea ever. We should have a meet at the Point and ride the Top Thrill Dragster so at least we get to ride SOMETHING fast!

This is gonna be the slowest meet ever!

[sf180th]

Count me in, all depends on work Schedule!

[Black Yaris]

I am sure we can make it a Sunday or something, and plan it far enough in advance for everyone to ask off work....

Hey sf180th you want to come to Chino and I's Yarii customizing party out in his neck of the woods next weekend?

[ChinoCharles]

You don't have an exhaust. We could use you as the test bunny and maybe get a sedan test pipe made too. Who knows... if it turns out nice enough maybe some others would want one.

[jdubau55]

Road trippin for the Ohio boys this weekend I see.... There ain't much else here to do though, if we ain't workin, we are workin on our cars, or going to see people for new ideas to do more work on our cars.... Hey good idea... when it gets warm,
CEDAR POINT-Yaris Adventure Extreme
What do ya'll think?

Maybe once it warms up.

[KSIbucky]

would the MAF work if its up side down





thank you PetersRedYaris for the pic

[Black Yaris]

Um air can only flow one way though that baby

[KSIbucky]

Um air can only flow one way though that baby

that suck (nice pun)

[Chris07LB]

the MAF is directional. It must be installed "facing" the same way it was removed. Rotation in the tube, plastic, rubber intke you have does not matter.

[ChinoCharles]

Betty is gone, off somewhere in the Ashtabula area being examined. I should have a call sometime this week about our first MAF adapter plate. Stay tuned.

[PetersRedYaris]

"Price, Price, Price" (chanting)... If it's low enough I may replace my swiss cheese box regardless... You know you can get a matrix short ram intake pipe with a K&N fliter included (with shipping) for $57.00 on ebay. Maybe it's shit, but how bad can an aluminum pipe be?

http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/851779a7c5.jpg (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/)

[Chris07LB]

"Price, Price, Price" (chanting)... If it's low enough I may replace my swiss cheese box regardless... You know you can get a matrix short ram intake pipe with a K&N fliter included (with shipping) for $57.00 on ebay. Maybe it's shit, but how bad can an aluminum pipe be?

http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/851779a7c5.jpg (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/)

Its the SIZE of the pipe that matters... too big an inside diameter, and it will cause the car to run like shit. Search some of the guys that did a home made intake back after the summertime and posted their results here.

KSIBucky says he's having zero issues with his Matrix intake, but not to sound like a dick, Id really have to question his opinion of what works and what doesnt work.

[PetersRedYaris]

Chris07LB: That's exactly what I was wondering. I guess that option is out. Thanks

[ChinoCharles]

Wow you're right. Good eye Chino. I'm still very interested with what you come up with Chino for a lost of reasons. 1) Obviously a guy that has a passion for the same car I own 2) Sounds like you have some really knowledgable guys 3) Looking to make a really good product, not one that is necessarily the shiniest with the most HP stickers or the one the most profitable to make. Your talk of a reasonably priced intake got me looking at intakes in the first place. Thanks for the forwarning about the XLR8. Now lets get that intake done!

Trust me, nobody is as anxious as myself. I literally blew a week and a half of school and about 300 bucks in gas and parts getting that prototype done and drumming up local interest. Now I'm in the only phase of the project I have no control over and it kills me, but at the same time I can't help but feel this sense of relaxation knowing that I'm almost there and that most of my legwork is now done.

The first intake goes to Chris for testing because I trust him to give me a no-bullshit answer and because I know that if he does approve it holds massive weight here. That is the real make-or-break time for this. If he pulls it out of the box and says its shit, this fairy tale ends right there. If he rants and raves about how great it is, I expect I will have one busy summer of building intakes, and trust me when I say I'd love to do it!

I will say that I have a good feeling about it. I thoroughly enjoyed having the ugly-ass prototype in my car, and I can only assume I'll get even more enjoyment out of the finished version. I figure if I like it it only makes sense you guys will too.

The amount of day-to-day support I get from you guys is pretty remarkable. For everyone that has let me known in advance outside YW that you're interested, thank you, thank you, thank you. For everyone that has told me they're waiting Visa-in-hand to buy this thing, THANK YOU!!! You guys made it easy to move through some of the hurdles we ran into.

Honestly, I only did this because, well, its something I hadn't done before. I learned a lot about business and cars and people in the meantime, and I also learned that this whole parts building thing isn't as easy as it sounds. You need to have all this shit in house to make it easy... CNC machining, welding, powder coating, dyno, everything. I would literally sell my soul to work in a place like that, let alone own a place like that. I know nothing about cars, but I can, as they say, "sell a snowball to an eskimo." Maybe I can bullshit my way to the top one day... one day.

Anyway, now I'm just waxing poetic... I should have the first intake built within a week, and then we can all wait patiently for Chris's take on my intake.

[Poorboy]

i'll be picking mine up in person:wink:

[ChinoCharles]

Nice Poorboy! :headbang: You can save on shipping that way, haha.

Come to the casa, we've got a brick oven in the kitchen. Makes a bomb pizza.

[Black Yaris]

I will be grabbing one as well Chino! So we going to have another Ohio get together, buy some intakes, and Chino cook up some brick oven pizza, killer

[Chris07LB]

Dear Sir,

Please send brick oven personal size pizza with my intake.

Thank you

[ChinoCharles]

Dear Sir,

Please send brick oven personal size pizza with my intake.

Thank you

I deliver to New Jersey, but you can't afford it.

I just had a lightbulb.

Wouldn't it be some shit if we could fab up a little ram air box for the end of this thing and figure out a solid way to make it function?

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3968

If you use the stock grill you'd have to put a couple of 90 degree bends in the ram air tubing to reach the filter. Thats out... bends render this useless. Could get a relatively straight shot from the fog light area, but I want fog lights one day. Hmmm...

[spkrman]

get a meet going closer to toledo (or chicago.. *cough* *cough* haha) and I may have to cruise on through :)

[jdubau55]

Why not come off the lower grill? Kind like those stupid front mount intercooler looking air filters. OR have an aluminum panel like the C-one one. Have a small louver punched in it and have the piping go to that. Hold on its Paint time....

Edit: NM it was Inventor time. This was done in like 2 secs. Like an under body scoop. Filter on top, air on bottom. I did it that way to help stop water from being slung up into the filter.

[ChinoCharles]

This can and will happen. I'll think of something. The under body scoop is a good idea, but I'd be worried about knocking it around on these springs. Time to go outside.

[eTiMaGo]

hood scoop FTW

Or for the more adventurous... removing the left foglight and using that gaping hole as an intake?

[blake111887]

are those pics of the intake on page 8?

[ChinoCharles]

are those pics of the intake on page 8?

No, those are pics of some garbage Ebay intake. Be patient with mine. I still haven't heard back from the CNC shop, but I figure I should hear from them by the end of this weekend. Hopefully they'll have something for me.

[OxyG3nE]

youp youp im ready to order :P :P

[Chris07LB]

No, those are pics of some garbage Ebay intake. Be patient with mine. I still haven't heard back from the CNC shop, but I figure I should hear from them by the end of this weekend. Hopefully they'll have something for me.

If not, send me the CAD drawing and Ill take it from there.

[ChinoCharles]

If not, send me the CAD drawing and Ill take it from there.

Thanks for the backup plan Chris. :clap:

[jdubau55]

Anytime you need the CAD hook up....Holla atcha boi!!!

[Moose]

I still haven't heard back from the CNC shop, but I figure I should hear from them by the end of this weekend. Hopefully they'll have something for me.

Tell them to hurry the hell up. :tongue:

Seriously, I want one.

[ChinoCharles]

They have until Sunday. If they don't have a CNC program done by then, I'm going back and ripping it out of their hands. I'd just as soon get you guys involved in this if you wouldn't mind, and it doesn't seem like you do. Oh, and I pay well.

I wish I would have gone that route in the first place. Live and learn.

We're already working on offering number two, and I'll give you a hint... it has nothing to do with performance.

[fu_im_from_texas]

... it has nothing to do with performance.

...please post a dyno sheet...

[Chris07LB]

We're already working on offering number two, and I'll give you a hint... it has nothing to do with performance.

Ewwwww, YUCK! :thumbdown: No thanks, I'll pass!

[ChinoCharles]

...please post a dyno sheet...

If I told you, I'd have to kill you. :evil:

When I have a finalized intake I'll have a dyno sheet with me.

Ewwwww, YUCK! No thanks, I'll pass!

:clap: There are so many things we need, the possibilities are endless. What about a solid engine mount or torque damper. I'd kill to be able to shift at 4 grand without getting seasick. Better yet, for the stereo crowd... why the HELL haven't one of you guys built a CarPC yet? If given the choice between 500 pounds of JBL in my trunk or a pound or two of 3500 songs at my fingertips, play DVD's on my touchscreen LCD... shove your subwoofers up your ass. It makes me sick to think of how many different ways you could shove a PC in this car.

Unless you buy your box from spkrman. Then you're a connoseuir, and I say bump away.

I talk a lot. :drinking:

[spkrman]

Unless you buy your box from spkrman. Then you're a connoseuir, and I say bump away.


x10 :)

Can't wait to see this complete!

[AlphaFox]

I just read this whole thread and I get to the end here and I find out its still not done yet!! I was about to click 'order' haha

[ChinoCharles]

Yeah, CNC guy is playing hard to get. I will have a full update tomorrow though, be sure of that. Kevin said he was going to light some ass fires for me. :biggrin:

[pc1x1]

I could easily build a pc on the yaris, with everything, including wireless, and bluetooth, but its expensive :(, not much, but money I don't have at the moment, so if you want to donate, I'll be glad to build one, and do a DIY :). lol

[ChinoCharles]

Hahaha, I could build one too... I am just focused elsewhere right now.

I think a damn good car PC could be had for about $1000-$1500 including the touchscreen LCD depending on how far you wanted to take it.

We will see what I end up doing with the Yar. It may come to that... I wouldn't mind if she did a little bit of everything pretty well rather than one thing great.

[taKuto]

you can easily use an old computer you have lying around as your carPC. Overall I spent about 200cdn only for my carPC since I did not buy any new computer parts, and only needed to purchase a DC-DC power supply and touchscreen. It'll be going in my echo hatchback, close enough to a yaris :)

[ChinoCharles]

Let us see some pictures when it is done.

[taKuto]

that'll be a while, most likely in may i'll have everything put together with the touchscreen mounted into the head unit location. I've been mostly working on wiring at the moment for the audio system since I need to run the speakers with an amp, the carPC portion is easy when I finally succeed in getting the power wire to run to the trunk.

I do recall someone did a carPC in a yaris, but they used some stand to hold the touchscreen instead of flushmounting it where the old deck is located.

[ChinoCharles]

I think it was just a cleverly mounted laptop. For my money that isn't a carPC.

I just want my huge MP3 collection in my car. To never have to burn a CD again would be tremendous. Sure, I could get an iPod, but I'm not a 14 year old girl. LOL

[taKuto]

yeah I wanted something I could easily put MP3's into, so I initially planned to run everything off a USB stick, but since my motherboard didnt support it, I opted to run a HD to boot up (got it to boot in 30sec from cold boot to music playing, I can do better though), and then load up a playlist with MP3's stored on a USB drive every startup.

[Chris07LB]

but I'm not a 14 year old girl. LOL

Yea, you just pretend to be an "18yr old THTH SWF."

Saw it on the net somewhere.. :rolleyes:

[ChinoCharles]

I have no idea what that means.

[Chris07LB]

:bs:

[ChinoCharles]

THTH SWF??? Help?

... OH wait, I think I'm catching on... SWF is single white female, right? LOL

What is the THTH?

[taKuto]

google + urbandictionary.com, 'too hot/horny to handle' ?

[ChinoCharles]

That has to be it.

:bellyroll:

But Chris, I hate to break it to you... that wasn't me. :wink:

And wait a second... if you're married how the hell do you know all this internet whore slang, huh? What have you been doing on your days off. :laugh:

[Chris07LB]

LMAO. I was 13yrs old at one time remember.

Ok, Mr. to hot to handle. :laugh: Mark my words, that phrase WILL now be in my DIY. :tongue:

[ChinoCharles]

21/M/OH while we're on it. :bellyroll: This is my thread, <cartman>I do what I want!!!</cartman>

[jdubau55]

You know my IM, lets swap pics....:wub:

[Chris07LB]

yikes..

[Razr]

err.. what sort of "intake" are we discussing gents? :wink:

[Moose]

err.. what sort of "intake" are we discussing gents? :wink:

goatse!!!!!! :eek:

[AlphaFox]

its tomorrow today, wheres the full report?!?
guess no fires were lit... /cry

[Black Yaris]

Yeah Chino, any updates?

[ChinoCharles]

Today was a bad day. Tomorrow should be better.

This is how it goes guys... sometimes deadlines aren't met. I'm doing all I can, but these things take time. I'm telling you though, it is going to be sweet.

Chris, you want red couplers and white tubing? I'm about to start shopping.

[Chris07LB]

All one color if you are able.. like all black everything, or all white maybe? No worries on it really though.

[vodkalush]

i just tested my DIM intake and switching to 2 1/4inch inner dia. (From 3) tubing took care of all my CEL issues... just drove 500miles with it between Sun and Mon. and no issues, responsive and my gas mileage went up a couple mpg (may be that I was driving mostly thruway...)... so no its time to take it all apart and make it look pretty :) i'll post pics when i get back to ny...

[vodkalush]

oh yah, thanks to chino for the info on the tube size (some pages back)

[Chris07LB]

Thanks for posting your results.

I was a afraid I was starting to sound like a broken record to KSi and the other guy that were running the 3" piping.

[Moose]

All one color if you are able.. like all black everything, or all white maybe? No worries on it really though.

Any intake I own is high-temp flat black within minutes of leaving the box.

(Hint) :cool:

[Chris07LB]

I hear ya.. I cant be too choosy though here... :wink:

[Spades]

did chino ever finish it? and if so what does it look like?

[Chris07LB]

Last he posted was,

Today was a bad day. Tomorrow should be better.

This is how it goes guys... sometimes deadlines aren't met. I'm doing all I can, but these things take time. I'm telling you though, it is going to be sweet.

Chris, you want red couplers and white tubing? I'm about to start shopping.

[Astroman]

Hey chino, don't forget about me, I can't wait to see the finished product. :drool:

[ChinoCharles]

Astroman, I didn't forget about you. Don't you worry.

I'm still getting strung along on this. This sucks, but unfortunately there isn't much I can do. In the meantime I am going to order Chris's couplers and filters tonight for the first installment so I don't have to wait anymore once we have plate #1. I am just waiting to hear my price on the MAF plates and when I am going to have plate number one. He has already had the mockup for a week, so when I do get this info I expect the turnaround to be relatively quick. I am hoping to have the first intake in the mail towards the end of next week. Cross your fingers.

Chris, I'm sending you a PM.

[AlphaFox]

can we preorder one? did you determine how much?
I call dibs on #2 once you get it on #1. ;)

[ChinoCharles]

OK, so we finally got a hold of the CNC guy out here and everything is set. We should have a working prototype of the production piece by next weekend.. :clap: :thumbup: Also, if I don't forget while I'm up there I'll take a picture of the style of these MAF plates and post it Monday. You guys will see that I am not cutting any corners. This is going to be a solid, professional looking piece.

can we preorder one? did you determine how much?
I call dibs on #2 once you get it on #1. ;)

There will likely be a group buy thread before these are mass produced. Once we have one working piece and we are sure more can be made without a hitch, you'll see the thread. Call it a preorder. :wink: I'll give you guys 2 or 3 weeks to get in on it, so you'll have plenty of time. The price shipped will be between $150 and $180 depending on a lot of stuff, but trust me when I say I am doing everything in my power to try and make sure that price is on the lower end rather than the higher. We will also offer an "unfiltered" version for a tad less, and we may even sell the plates by themselves for you DIYers. Expect a plate to cost $60-70 shipped and the unfiltered intake system to cost around $120-135 shipped. We have run into some unforseen costs along the way that have made this a VERY expensive endeavor, but I didn't come this far to give up so I'm pressing on.

Could I lose my ass on this deal? At this point, I'll be amazed if I don't. However, if you guys end up supporting this like I hope you will (and thank you again to everyone coming in this thread banging my door down for these, you guys are the reason I haven't given up) I promise I'm not going to take my money and run. What I am going to do is turn around and get a tax ID and work my ass off all summer to try and bring some new parts to our little Yarisworld. I've already been in contact with a few companies about what we may be seeing this summer, and let me tell you there is a lot of cool stuff coming out! I just want good quality at fair prices. This is all I've said I wanted from day one. Call this intake my good faith project to you guys... tell me you want more quality for less and I'll continue to do what I can to make sure we get it.

Expect the group buy thread in mid-April... right around my birthday. :wink:

[Dragonacc]

I know we may not see eye to eye about what the Yaris should be, but I really respect the effort you are putting into this. I'll jump on the group buy when it comes around. :thumbsup:

btw - What's going on with the cheaper short shifter? Sorry if I've missed a update somewhere else.

[ChinoCharles]

btw - What's going on with the cheaper short shifter? Sorry if I've missed a update somewhere else.

All I can say is good things come to those who wait. :wink:

[TrancosRt]

I'm up with the GB. Mid April? Right around my B-Day then too :D!

[ChinoCharles]

That means our parents banged in July.

Just sayin'.

[Chris07LB]

YGM

[Razr]

That means our parents banged in July.

Just sayin'.

I'm a parent. I bang daily. If you guys parents are anythign like us, your post has no significance :tongue:

Maybe you didn't really wanna go there :biggrin:

[TrancosRt]

That means our parents banged in July.

Just sayin'.

That's an image I didn't want to have in my mind!!:barf:
:tongue:

[Chris07LB]

That's an image I didn't want to have in my mind!!:barf:
:tongue:

Why not, I think she's pretty hott. :tongue:

[ChinoCharles]

LOL

[TrancosRt]

I know she is, but still... My dad is not? :P.

[Chris07LB]

Never met the man, Im always gone before then.

[AlphaFox]

I know she is, but still... My dad is not? :P.

that is just a weird quote... :iono:

[TrancosRt]

that is just a weird quote... :iono:

I am a weird dude.:tongue:

[Astroman]

Expect the group buy thread in mid-April... right around my birthday. :wink:

My birthday is the same as yours, April 22nd. Do I get a special group buy discount? :biggrin: lol. Just kidding, the price your offering is already super awesome and I can't wait to install the ugly betty on my yaris. Oh, I FINALLY saw another meteorite metallic LB on I-90 today!! Of course I wasn't in my yaris, I always see other LBs when I am in a different car. :frown:

[ChinoCharles]

My birthday is the same as yours, April 22nd

Good news buddy... chicks dig us Tauruses. :biggrin:

I paid the setup fee and down payment today on our soon-to-come MAF adapters. They look great. Lets hope that the first version needs no tweaking so we can get this project finished up and get some intakes on the market.

I should know later tonight when I will have the first finished adapter specifically for Yarii. By this weekend we should be welding. Stay tuned.

[Chris07LB]

The email with the MAF picture musta bounced back, plz resend it.

[ChinoCharles]

It didn't. I totally forgot to take a picture. SHITTY FUCK DAMN!

Its OK, give it a few days and I'll show you the real thing. The plate they have for late model Mustangs is so different from ours it would be like letting you listen to Yanni to get an idea of what Metallica may sound like.

[PetersRedYaris]

My birthday is the same as yours, April 22nd. Do I get a special group buy discount? :biggrin: lol. Just kidding, the price your offering is already super awesome and I can't wait to install the ugly betty on my yaris. Oh, I FINALLY saw another meteorite metallic LB on I-90 today!! Of course I wasn't in my yaris, I always see other LBs when I am in a different car. :frown:

I'm on I-90 everyday! Just come 1000 miles East and we may run across each other.:drinking:

[AlphaFox]

News?!?!?!?!?!!?

[AlphaFox]

Chino, whats the dilly yo? any word?

[ChinoCharles]

VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV

I should know later tonight when I will have the first finished adapter specifically for Yarii. By this weekend we should be welding. Stay tuned.

I was told this weekend we should have the first MAF plate. Assuming it is something close to perfect we will weld one up this weekend and see how it goes. Watch for pictures soon.

[vodkalush]

Holy shit guys, your riding chino harder then a 1 legged hooker on christmas...

[Razr]

But in a totally different way, naturally.. :laughabove:

[AlphaFox]

Chino loves it!! :wub: :tongue:

[ChinoCharles]

THE FIRST MAF ADAPTER IS FINISHED!!!

I am going to try to pick it up today but I have to work in an hour and a half so if I can go grab it it will have to wait until around 10 or 11 EST. If not tonight, I will definitely get it tomorrow. Pictures within 48 hours!

EDIT: I'm getting it tomorrow. Suckers... had you going for a second. :bellyroll:

[Black Yaris]

"time keeps on tickin, tickin, tickin.... in to the future......"

[Doc Zaius]

oh how i wish i didn't just buy the TRD air filter...! :tongue:

[Chris07LB]

Chuck D, you will have the pictures of our super duper top top very secret product by tonight... kinda fell asleep early last night once I got home.

[ChinoCharles]

Nice Chris, thanks.

Doc... there is always the classified forum. :wink:

[AlphaFox]

I can only assume you are taking pics as we speak, and that is why they are not uploaded yet!! heh

just for fun, I removed the weird airbox funnel that loops around from the bottom and goes to the top. even just doing this it sounds better! im all syked up!!

[acrbill]

I can only assume you are taking pics as we speak, and that is why they are not uploaded yet!! heh



No pics today. He will be working until late tonight.

[AlphaFox]

/cry

[Chris07LB]

Few pieces of the puzzle have rolled in... im not posting anything though. :tongue:

[ChinoCharles]

Guys, it is going to have to wait until Monday. I'm sorry, but I had to work a double today and I'm not going to bother my CNC guy on Easter. My bad for the misinformation, but I promise I'll have pictures Monday.

Chris, its no huge secret. You can post away, or I will a little later. We have found your filters guys. :biggrin:

[Chris07LB]

Nah, i like the suspense.. show the complete kit when its ready, more of an impact.

[yrsdrgn]

Nah, i like the suspense.. show the complete kit when its ready, more of an impact.

yea seriously :biggrin:

[ChinoCharles]

Alright, no more updates till its done. Sit tight. :wink:

[jdubau55]

You kids and your toys....Lets see this mother already.

[AlphaFox]

the anticipation is killing me!!!

[spkrman]

he's comin for u if we dont see pics before 11:59 eastern time!

http://www.motleycrow.com/ImageHost/whittaker.jpg

[AlphaFox]

did he get you chino?!

[spkrman]

I hear the dude above is driving this to chino's house right now.

http://photos13.flickr.com/15610913_dee4eb3ddd_o.jpg

[ChinoCharles]

This is your last teaser till number one is done!!! :tongue:

4336

[spkrman]

This is your last teaser till number one is done!!! :tongue:

4336

yummy :clap:

[eTiMaGo]

looks like a high tech bong... multipurpose device, Chino? :biggrin:

[Nutzoids]

looks like a high tech bong... multipurpose device, Chino? :biggrin:

high...bong...tech...

Shit yeah!

I know 420 is right around the corner... there are weed jokes EVERYWHERE!

:evil:

[AlphaFox]

so........... sick............of.................... waiting......

[Black Yaris]

so........... sick............of.................... waiting......

go grab a beer or two :drinking:

[AlphaFox]

ok I have a beer... its not helping. ;)

[acrbill]

This is your last teaser till number one is done!!! :tongue:

4336

sweet! Looks like it shouldn't cost more than $50!

[ChinoCharles]

sweet! Looks like it shouldn't cost more than $50!

No, no Bill, stop looking at your wife. Look at the INTAKE!

[PetersRedYaris]

sweet! Looks like it shouldn't cost more than $50!

$50??? Maybe with a filter and all the hardware included.:laugh: Just giving you crap, looks pretty good. What about a support to keep the pipe steady and prevent the filter from flopping around?

[ChinoCharles]

You guys do understand we still need to go through a second design of the MAF plate, get that welded, flare the end of the pipe, paint or powedercoat it, make and weld some mounts, find appropriate hardware... it isn't done. :rolleyes:

[Chris07LB]

You guys do understand we still need to go through a second design of the MAF plate, get that welded, flare the end of the pipe, paint or powedercoat it, make and weld some mounts, find appropriate hardware... it isn't done. :rolleyes:

Hence why I said to wait before posting anything. :rolleyes:

[AlphaFox]

wow, this got off track.. can we just stick to talking about the intake now?

btw, hows it going charles?

:drool:

[Chris07LB]

Intake is coming along. Charles is doing a fine job.

[AlphaFox]

Intake is coming along. Charles is doing a fine job.

I NEED DETAILS MAN!!

:eyebulge:

[eTiMaGo]

Dammit guys this has gone too far.

I know I've been far too nice and laid-back about this, but I did not want to be some sort of nazi mod who deletes any post with the potential to stir up shit.

But this is too much now... If we can't have any respect for other peoples' work and knowledge, then what's the point of even being a member of this forum.

We're all here for one reason: The Yaris. Whether it's a sedan or liftback, manual or automatic, it's the one reason we come here, right? Now everyone has their own vision for their car, it could be to keep it stock and maximize fuel economy, it could be to turn it into a lightweight, zippy autocross racer, it could be to extract as much acceleration out of it, or turning it to a Fast and Furious-worthy street racer, and so on, or even a little bit of all those. And the great thing is, this car has the potential to be all those things, even if you agree or not. And that's probably the problem, this forum attracts Yaris owners or prospective owners from all walks of life. We have 60-somethings, we have working people who depend on the car as a tool to get them from place to place, we have kids who just want to have the coolest car on the block, and all those visions are important to those people. Sure, it's fun to make jokes of the guy who's done some ricer kinda mods to his car, sure, it may be frustrating to see people so hell-bent on extracting performance out of a car that has not been designed to have much performance in the first place. But so what? If you think you know better, just leave a warning, and leave it at that. When someone doesn't follow your advice and gets burned in some way, then you have all the right to say "I told ya so". A fool and his money are soon parted, I believe the saying goes...

So all this BS hating, let's knock it off. I'm sick of it, I'm sure most others are sick of it even if they don't voice up about it. If I have to be mr badass mod, then so be it.

Now let's get back to the topic at hand, which is one member devoting a lot of time and money to help others with an inexpensive intake solution.

[Chris07LB]

Dammit guys this has gone too far.

I know I've been far too nice and laid-back about this, but I did not want to be some sort of nazi mod who deletes any post with the potential to stir up shit.

But this is too much now... If we can't have any respect for other peoples' work and knowledge, then what's the point of even being a member of this forum.

We're all here for one reason: The Yaris. Whether it's a sedan or liftback, manual or automatic, it's the one reason we come here, right? Now everyone has their own vision for their car, it could be to keep it stock and maximize fuel economy, it could be to turn it into a lightweight, zippy autocross racer, it could be to extract as much acceleration out of it, or turning it to a Fast and Furious-worthy street racer, and so on, or even a little bit of all those. And the great thing is, this car has the potential to be all those things, even if you agree or not. And that's probably the problem, this forum attracts Yaris owners or prospective owners from all walks of life. We have 60-somethings, we have working people who depend on the car as a tool to get them from place to place, we have kids who just want to have the coolest car on the block, and all those visions are important to those people. Sure, it's fun to make jokes of the guy who's done some ricer kinda mods to his car, sure, it may be frustrating to see people so hell-bent on extracting performance out of a car that has not been designed to have much performance in the first place. But so what? If you think you know better, just leave a warning, and leave it at that. When someone doesn't follow your advice and gets burned in some way, then you have all the right to say "I told ya so". A fool and his money are soon parted, I believe the saying goes...

So all this BS hating, let's knock it off. I'm sick of it, I'm sure most others are sick of it even if they don't voice up about it. If I have to be mr badass mod, then so be it.

Now let's get back to the topic at hand, which is one member devoting a lot of time and money to help others with an inexpensive intake solution.

About time. This should be a sticky. VERY well put.

[OxyG3nE]

people are ungrateful... only thing i have to say.. he work hard to get the intake done for a low cost only for us and im sure he wont get rich with this ..

[eTiMaGo]

nothing more to say, this situation is resolved.

ChinoCharles, if you don't mind, I'm locking this thread as I am sure it will continue off-topic, and you can start a fresh one whenever you're ready.