HOW TO RUN STRETCHED TIRES?

[HANZO_187]

So I been doin some research and I'm wanting to do the stretched tire for my car, I'm running 185/60/R15'S on stock steel wheels. If the look of em on 15's to 16's look good then thats the route I'm goin but I could use some detailed info on how to go this route.

Time to start class, Stretch Tires 101 is in Sesh.

[1.5]

I'm not sure if you mean fitting the stock tires on 16s that wont work. Only 16" tires fit 16" wheels. Stretched refers to the width of the tire being narrower than the width of the wheel. Right now I have 165/45 on an 8" wide wheel. So that's a 6.5" tire on 8". That's a stretch of about 1.5" of course you're talking about rubber so there is a flex.

You have to start by picking a wheel. Remember on sedans 16 or 17 looks good anything smaller is good for performance but looks awkward.

Also running stretched is dangerous, your lips are exposed and can chip or bend easily, the tires could potentially come off the headlock if you push it and you always have to refill the tires. Not to mention 165s are 20mm narrower than stock.

[G-Ammo]

I am also going to run stretched tires... but not as much as 1.5.
I'm going for 185/45 on 7J rims. It is not much stretch, but I don't want that, because of the things 1.5 just mentioned. Also... I don't want to change tires every few months :)

[G-Ammo]

I am also going to run stretched tires... but not as much as 1.5.
I'm going for 185/45 on 7J rims. It is not much stretch, but I don't want that, because of the things 1.5 just mentioned. Also... I don't want to change tires every few months :)

[1.5]

I am also going to run stretched tires... but not as much as 1.5.
I'm going for 185/45 on 7J rims. It is not much stretch, but I don't want that, because of the things 1.5 just mentioned. Also... I don't want to change tires every few months :)

185mm is ~ 7.3" so that is not a stretch at all. Your wheel is narrower than your tire.

[G-Ammo]

It'll look like this:
http://vagner.jeje.je/bilder/albums/album127/tesssss_5.sized.jpg

It's a bit of a stretch.. but nothing extreme ;)

[G-Ammo]

It'll look like this:
http://vagner.jeje.je/bilder/albums/album127/tesssss_5.sized.jpg

It's a bit of a stretch.. but nothing extreme ;)

[1.5]

http://tyrestretch.com/7_185_45_R15/

its not a stretch lol the tire is wider than the wheel lol

[cali yaris]

^ You say it's not a stretch, but the page you link to has the following image, which to me looks exactly like G-Ammo's example. :iono:

http://tyrestretch.com/cache/7_185_45_R15/7_185_45_R15_Nankang_595.jpg

[1.5]

exactly, no stretch lol look at that tire sitting on the floor

[HANZO_187]

Damn, Yeah I'm not gonna lie I got a heavy foot at times an I enjoy the quick sharp turns and all. I might get a slight stretch or I might just keep it legit and run 16's or 17's tops.

I just gotta get rims bad, I wanna nail down a few cosmetic details before hitting the performance shelves and Micro Image Online is my first stop shop!

Btw 1.5 when are you guys doing another meet? It didn't see it till after that your guys meet was in the parking lot at Down Town Disney, which is awesome. I live pretty close to Disney.

[1.5]

true, Orlando is a good meet spot, most of the FL Yaris peeps that are active here are from Central FL I am really the only one who has to commute far to get there. I may try and set something up for after new year but the local boards have been dead lately so idk what will happen.

[HANZO_187]

Well, know this for sure man I'm in, I donno if anyone else might show in but I'm down to ride, just tell me the round about day and all. Hell, maybe even hit disney or what ever, take a cruise I'll bring my lady with me I'm sure she'd love to chill and all.

Btw the Ksports lowering spring, can you run those on stock shocks with out too much worry or is it too much stress on the shocks?

[G-Ammo]

Sorry for the double posts...

but it might not be a stretch what you think of it as a stretch...
I now have 16'' wheels with normal tires which are just straight on the rim itself. The pictures I just show you and you show are definatly a bit stretched.

[sasquatch]

I've run stretched tires before with no problems at all. 30k miles on one set: they were 215/40/18 on a 9" wide wheel. I had them on my passat which weighed probably twice what a yaris does. So as far as safety goes a little stretch will be a problem.

Dinoeggxo ran a 195/45/15 on a 8.5" rear wheel all summer on her yaris with no problems as well.

You'll likely need to find a performance shop with experience mounting stretched tires or has a cheetah to blast air into them go get them to seat. After that you should have no problems. I come from the Vw community where I see more stretch than not these days. I've seen 205/40/18's on 9.5" wide wheels. Yes it will leave your lips exposed but be alert when driving and parking to avoid pot holes and curbs.

165 and 185 width 15's are available but often hard to find.
Tireseasy.com is where Dinoegg got her 195/45/15
Onlinetires.com is another place that carries a wide variety of widths
Blackforestindustries.com often carries 165/45 and 165/55 15's

Most of the brands you will find are "Nanking" or "federal". I have used both brands and have absoloutly ZERO complaints. I had a set of federal ss595 that were on par with my falken azenis that were 2x the price. I even sliced a sidewall a little on a Nanking and it lasted another 20k miles. They are just "no name" brands, they stretch well and many peoe use them because they are an inexpensive option.

[1.5]

I love my nankangs. The 165s on my 8s actually run a lot better than expected and I get good performance out of those skinny ass tires.

I also used onlinetires for most of my tire purchases.

BFI has a lot of rare sizes but charge out the ass, tunershop.com is better IMHO

@Hanzo you can deff run springs on stock shocks. It will add stress but it will still last quite some time.

[sasquatch]

Agreed BFI's prices are a little on the high side. But they almost always have the rarest sizes in stock. Got to pay to play haha. They had clearance on their tires recently so if they have some left you might be able to get some stuff cheap.

[G-Ammo]

Nice to hear all this :D Cause I was a bit worried of having those nankangs... as I have always driven on Yokohamas... and now Im going for inexpensive chinese brands... but this makes my day better! thanks sasquatch!

[Absolutely Red 12]

http://www.tyrestretch.com/

Enjoy!

[HANZO_187]

I gotta learn how to put the measurements together to get the right tire stretch, You guys been hella helpful dude. I wanna get that stretch to make the tire wider but not too much to lose drivability. I figure stretching the tire makes the drivability better by a slight ratio but we'll see what helps. I like the function over form but I wanna make it show ready as possible with out losing too much drivability.

[sasquatch]

No problem!

For what I've read over the years there are basically 4 companies in the world who make car tires: and they make several different brands under the same roof. Basically you're paying more to get a name brand you know. Think of Yokohama as the name brand and Nanking as the generic brand. Essentially the same thing but one costs less cause its "generic"

[yarisugi]

The above is not true. There are more than four companies who produce tires, each with their own brands. A lot of R&D are put into "brand" name tires, hence the cost.
Yokohama Tires are primarily made in Japan and USA, sometimes Thailand, depending on what tire model. Nankang tires are from Taiwan.

Hanzo - what wheel size have you decided on? You can figure it out once you've decided on your wheel size without going overboard like you said.

[cali yaris]

^ +1. I sell tires, and he is correct.

[Kaotic Lazagna]

Damn, Yeah I'm not gonna lie I got a heavy foot at times an I enjoy the quick sharp turns and all. I might get a slight stretch or I might just keep it legit and run 16's or 17's tops.



I'm not saying that stretched tires are safe, but drifters drift with stretched tires all the time. I take corners hard with 205/40/17 tires on 17x8 rims. You just gotta maintain high psi (I run max psi, then again, I'll always run max psi for mpg purposes, regardless of stretched tires or not). The thing you have to look out for is pot holes and such, but I'll always look out for this regardless if I'm in my car or our stock (aside from Tokico Blues) Camry simply because I don't want to take a chance or messing up the alignment or bending a rim.

[Kaotic Lazagna]

And for the record, 205/40 on a 8j rim is stretching stretch for me. Any more, and it'll just look stupid imo.

[HANZO_187]

@Yarisugi I'm plannin on either 16's or 17's at most. I got the 15' steel wheels right now and I really wanna ride on some new rims BUT knowing that I could ride a stretched tire set up on my steel wheels isn't such a bad idea. I could save my current tires which are in solid condition, try the stretch tire set up and figure what I wanna do and if its not to my liking I can just reset to my previous set up and figure out from there what to do and where to go from there.

When it comes to trial and error I know but one thing for certain is to have a base of where you can return your plans from. I have 185/60/R15's right now and I don't know about much when it comes to breaking down what sizes I need to switch up to get a mid to mild ratio on a stretched tire set up. I want the stretch for a performance/style set up. I don't know if it may make sence to anyone else but this is what my goal is.

Its a daily driver, and a hope to be semi show car with a few performance perks. That is my current goal on this Yaris.

[sasquatch]

I stand corrected: maybe I misunderstood what people have told me.

Either way I have had zero problems with these "off brands" and some have been as good performing as name brands.

Tyrestretch.com has pictures of just about every tire/wheel size combo you can think of

[1.5]

Nankangs are one of the best for stretching. The ns2s come in an XL that have a lip protector which adds some meat to cushion the lips. Another good tire is the falken ziex 512 which is no longer made but you sometimes find them. I just stretched them on some 17x9.75s in 215/40 for my new setup. Just slightly less aggressive than 165 on 8.

Laz got it right, the stretching idea originates from the japanese drift scene where its called Hipari, they stretched tires because it created more sidewall rigidity and made the rubber like more taught which helps in snapping directional changes at full ass slide. So its not necessarily dangerous but you need to be a cautious driver, avoid any road blemishes, and keep on eye on them. I daily my shit on hella slam and stretch. It can be done.

[HANZO_187]

You know what your right...I'm gonna get this stretch for sure. I'm gonna see what I come up with and I'm gonna make it happen. Besides, I dodge pot holes and more just for fun...even the simple extra lowered man hole lids on disney property...Which I make a point to dodge daily. But yeah man if I didn't think about that. If you drive it daily and all and you have a solid set up to top it off then I'm in for stretch tires. TIME TO GET CRACKIN!!!!!

[G-Ammo]

Good luck friend :D I hope i will get my stuff this month... and I can upload some nice pics my yaris!! let us know when u get ur things man !

[1.5]

You know what your right...I'm gonna get this stretch for sure. I'm gonna see what I come up with and I'm gonna make it happen. Besides, I dodge pot holes and more just for fun...even the simple extra lowered man hole lids on disney property...Which I make a point to dodge daily. But yeah man if I didn't think about that. If you drive it daily and all and you have a solid set up to top it off then I'm in for stretch tires. TIME TO GET CRACKIN!!!!!

No prob remember pick your wheels first so you know what tires to look for. Dont goo too narrow though or you wont have many tires to chose from to give you a stretch.

[HANZO_187]

For sure, Dude btw I was just ridin around disney area and 192, You know any one that rides a Red Yaris, with -camber, I think stretched wheels and the rims were a bright green? looked sick as hell, saw A-LOT of Yaris action today, and yeah bro when I get my wheels I'm most likely gonna get my tires from Onlinetires.com thanks for that link dude, you guys know your shizz.

[1.5]

Don't know him but flag him down and get him on here

[yarisugi]

Sounds like vten? lol. Nah, what the heck would he be doing all the way over there?

http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=48813&stc=1&d=1350742224

[1.5]

Id be chilling with him if he was lol

[HANZO_187]

Lol naw not it, It was decked out with some lime greenish rims with a silver lip, a decal on the front bumper that had hate for speed bumps sticker, tinted windows to legal limit, after market exhaust, negative camber on the rear and less on the front...In other words his shit was a sick set up.

I said to my self...That will be like mine one day...lol

[HANZO_187]

Sounds like vten? lol. Nah, what the heck would he be doing all the way over there?

http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=48813&stc=1&d=1350742224

But all do respect...still nice as hell.

[vten]

Lol... Santa rode my ride to Disneyland ! I will tell mama Santa !!

[UberSilver]

All you folks doing this are not running on all four cylinders. As in your missing most of your brain cells. So pull up your pants, turn your hat straight and think about what your doing! Oh...Wait, You cant think, or you never do something so asinine.(IMO).

[UberSilver]

The above is not true. There are more than four companies who produce tires, each with their own brands. A lot of R&D are put into "brand" name tires, hence the cost.
Yokohama Tires are primarily made in Japan and USA, sometimes Thailand, depending on what tire model. Nankang tires are from Taiwan.

Hanzo - what wheel size have you decided on? You can figure it out once you've decided on your wheel size without going overboard like you said.

Correct!:clap:

[1.5]

All you folks doing this are not running on all four cylinders. As in your missing most of your brain cells. So pull up your pants, turn your hat straight and think about what your doing! Oh...Wait, You cant think, or you never do something so asinine.(IMO).

Get off your haterade lol

pointless post/

[HANZO_187]

^^Agreed. Donno why it was posted, not needed here.

[UberSilver]

Sorry if I offended any of you, but I cant wrap my brain around the thought of modifying a rig for looks, while at the same time decreasing safety. And we are driving the lowest cost Toyota made. This car is about MPG and cheap as chips maintenance. I'm all for giving your rig a unique custom look, but stretching tires can lead to a dangerous outcome were if your lucky you just trash your rig. If your not so lucky, you'll kill a friend and go to Jail/Prison for 10~12 on a manslaughter charge.

[yarisugi]

I buy Yaris because race car.

[1.5]

Hahaha Sugi ^^^

And I'm not so sure what running stretched tires has to do with killing your friends lol

[UberSilver]

Hahaha Sugi ^^^

And I'm not so sure what running stretched tires has to do with killing your friends lol

Well...when the tire slips off the rim, and you hit a tree/lamp post at 50 mph, you'll most likely live, but your passenger probably wont.


So you think all the educated folks at all of the tire manufacturers are wrong about what tire size will safely fit a certain size wheel?

But some of you were correct when you replied WTF to my post. I can see clearly now, stupid is what stupid does. It will take more than common sense to convince most Stretcher, that it's foolish and dangerous.

[HANZO_187]

Ok Sir...I ponder over this question and I beg you to answer it...When and how would the tire slip off of the rim with it being a SMALLER size then its actually needed diameter for the rim. If I'm not mistaken due to it being a smalled fitment to a larger area it actually would be more tighter to the rim than a normal fitment. For it to be STRETCHED means to put extra effort into putting on the fitment.


You call them stupid but bottom line, if it were an ACTUAL danger and proven as such then it would obviously be illegal.

But if you can give ME the straight facts of where your getting this information from then I wanna see it. Other than that, Your the stupid one to talk highly about something you have no idea where your getting any of your info from...

And for the record these guys ain't stupid.

HANZO Out.

[Kaotic Lazagna]

I think UberSilver is referring to the tires unbeading, which, yes, can be dangerous.


HOWEVER, UberSilver, are you telling me that you don't speed, you don't look at your phone when you drive, you don't eat/drink when you drive, you don't talk to you passengers when you drive, you don't listen to the radio/music when you drive, etc, etc. All of those can and does contribute to driver distraction, thereby putting you and others at risk for getting into an accident, and possibly "you'll kill a friend and go to Jail/Prison for 10~12 on a manslaughter charge." I say this because you're argument was the fact that running stretched tires is dangerous, as are all of those actions I just listed.

[LuisPRTRD]

Well...when the tire slips off the rim, and you hit a tree/lamp post at 50 mph, you'll most likely live, but your passenger probably wont.


So you think all the educated folks at all of the tire manufacturers are wrong about what tire size will safely fit a certain size wheel?

But some of you were correct when you replied WTF to my post. I can see clearly now, stupid is what stupid does. It will take more than common sense to convince most Stretcher, that it's foolish and dangerous.

Look this is easy if u don't like stretched tires or don't think it's safe don't put stretched tires on ur car and don't comment in this thread

[vten]

I think Über is "well done eating steak, missionary style only" kinda guy .


Hater gonna hate !

[UberSilver]

I think UberSilver is referring to the tires unbeading, which, yes, can be dangerous.


HOWEVER, UberSilver, are you telling me that you don't speed, you don't look at your phone when you drive, you don't eat/drink when you drive, you don't talk to you passengers when you drive, you don't listen to the radio/music when you drive, etc, etc. All of those can and does contribute to driver distraction, thereby putting you and others at risk for getting into an accident, and possibly "you'll kill a friend and go to Jail/Prison for 10~12 on a manslaughter charge." I say this because you're argument was the fact that running stretched tires is dangerous, as are all of those actions I just listed.

Mostly true, but the police/DA will not charge you for talking and driving, but if they find you have altered your ride in an unsafe way, they would/could throw the book at you.

When I race motorcycles I know I can/will go down at some point. I wear proper PPE as to minimise my injuries, and so does the guy next to me.

On the street if one acts unsafe, others may suffer. Thats my point.:thumbsup:

[G-Ammo]

this discussion is useless... it's like discussing religion... you just don't and you respect one another whatever he or she does. If ''we'' want stretched tires, then ''we'' get them. If we want to make the most out of our car and make it one of your own, then we do that!

Most of us want people to say: Oh yeah that's (name)'s car.

It becomes your Identity.

Some understand... some don't.

[vten]

^ goed gezegd broeder

[Kaotic Lazagna]

Mostly true, but the police/DA will not charge you for talking and driving, but if they find you have altered your ride in an unsafe way, they would/could throw the book at you.

When I race motorcycles I know I can/will go down at some point. I wear proper PPE as to minimise my injuries, and so does the guy next to me.

On the street if one acts unsafe, others may suffer. Thats my point.:thumbsup:

My main point, as was your, I believe, was it's "dangerous." I'd rather take a car with stretched tires driving next to me than some person talking on the phone as I've been almost his numerous times by a person either talking or texting on their phone while driving. I have yet to encounter a situation where a car with stretched tires almost hitting me solely due to the fact it has stretched tires.

[HANZO_187]

this discussion is useless... it's like discussing religion... you just don't and you respect one another whatever he or she does. If ''we'' want stretched tires, then ''we'' get them. If we want to make the most out of our car and make it one of your own, then we do that!

Most of us want people to say: Oh yeah that's (name)'s car.

It becomes your Identity.

Some understand... some don't.

That part was well put about it becoming youd identity.

When I see 1.5's I could know who he is on a heart beat, and thats what we all want.
We want that definition of orginality. I don't wanna make this conversation any more critical but all in all I feel G-Ammo on his quote "Some Understand, Some Don't"

Everyone be safe, know your stuff and be orginal.

[HANZO_187]

I got 17x7 with +35mm offset or I also got the option of 16x7 with a +35mm offset. I wanna run a stretched tire but not a drastic stretch, I explained it from before so I'm just trying to figure out the right measurements.

Help me out.

[Kaotic Lazagna]

Kinda hard to find tires to stretch over 17x7. You can try 195/40/17, but that won't be much of anything. You'll probably have to special order anything smaller than that. However, 1_x7, ET35 won't need a stretch as the rim will still be in the fender. Now if your offset was in the 20's, then yes, stretch will probably be a good idea on a 7j rim.

[1.5]

Go wider Hanzo can't find almost anything to stretch on a 7 without going stupid skinny. Prolly nothing stateside either

Like laz said you wont need to stretch if you're not going to poke it just looks bad if you try

[vten]

8" or wider wheels with 195 or narrower tires for a stretch .

If you just want a poke look... Wheel spacer would do .

[HANZO_187]

@1.5 I'm starting to get this down now. Since ai know 1.5 runs on awesome stretched tires where do you get your rims at? I look around the net as if I was looking for a gold needle in a gold plated hay stack. I know now to atleast look for an 8 in wide wheel set or more. If I can't really grasp anything then I got some 16'-17' rims that are for just short of 400$ for all four brand new.

I wanna run wider wheels and tires cause it would look alot leaner, have better road contact and the wider tire look is nice and it helps with handling a bit on too of everything and I just wanna make sure the set updoesn't eat away at my wallet causeeee I don't got deep pockets but I'm tryin to roll lean clean and mean with this Yaris. If you guys got any wide wheel resources please help me out.

[mr_miles]

Im running 195 /50's on a 8 inch wide wheel, and 195/55 on 10 inch wide wheels.

if you aren't running camber, stretching tires wont particularly decrease your tire life (much) unless you drive like a douche.

stretching is a lot harder on anything smaller than 8 inches wide, and if you wanna play serious fitment games, go 9 inch wide in the front, and 10 in the rear :D

[1.5]

8" isn't that wide of a tire. If you want truely recognizable fitment go 9" or more and stretch a 195/205 on it. That would look awesome, fit well, and really break some necks. You could probably avoid any camber needed as well.

Miles you are a boss. 195 on 10"! That's insane I thought only crazy miata kids ran stretch like that lol.

Hanson just Google "4x100 17" or whatever diameter you want. That will give you all the proper bolt pattern wheels you can run and you can cycle through til you are something wide enough. Do the same search via eBay.

[HANZO_187]

I'm gonna go with the old school look XXR wheels at 17x9 but MY LAST question is does the wheel die out quick at that stretch rate or with it be alright for awhile? I know to avoid pot holes and all and to take it easy on the speed bumps but also do you need to space anything out for 17x9's to fit proper?

[G-Ammo]

I also bought the XXR wheels :) 512 ones... 15x7 with +15mm. Gonna be pretty awesome!

[1.5]

I'm gonna go with the old school look XXR wheels at 17x9 but MY LAST question is does the wheel die out quick at that stretch rate or with it be alright for awhile? I know to avoid pot holes and all and to take it easy on the speed bumps but also do you need to space anything out for 17x9's to fit proper?

Good pick! 17x9 is perfect for the sedan

stretching shouldnt add any additional wear

[mr_miles]

naw, shouldn't wear any more than normal. stretch away!

[1.5]

Miles had to run Spandex brand tires to get all that stretch

[HANZO_187]

Lol, Then its settled on the tire stretch. I'm going with the XXR old school look rims, either 501 throwback, the banana sport, or old school flavor. It will turn heads and its an old school feel. I'm into the old school feel. I'm gonna get these things set up sold. The only thing now I gotta figure out is offset.

[1.5]

search for the wheels you want, not every wheel is offered in any size or offset i dont even know if banana spoke xxrs come in 17s

[Kaotic Lazagna]

Keep in mind that stretched tires will reduce the sidewalls' ability to absorb any shock. So, that will affect your suspension negatively. By how much, I have no clue, could be negligible. Also, for cheaper made rims, that'll mean there will be a higher chance of bending the rim in the event of an unavoidable pothole or debris on the road.

[HANZO_187]

Yeah thats my real only concern when it comes down to it. I know its gonna need a really bad bump to give the side walls a bad day but I wanna get a minor stretch but I want wide wheels regardless. I'm gonna do some thinking and blue printing then when it comes down to it I'm gonna settle for nothing but a solid sleak set up and all hopefully before the next meet up. If not then definetly after.

Btw if any one is wondering why I'm ALWAYS online its cause I do all this stuff on my phone. Lmao It never hit me till after so if any one was wondering "How the F*$# is he always on??" thats the explanation.

I'm actually on break at work and I'm always doing my research on this shit man. I just know all this time asking questions is gonna lead to a sick set up.

[Kaotic Lazagna]

What look are you going for? Flush? Or hellaflush (more poke).

[HANZO_187]

Flush. To start out.

[Kaotic Lazagna]

If flush is what you're going for, get 17x8, ET32-35 up front, and 17x8, ET28-30 in the rear. 205/40/15 tires, stick with the Falken Ziex 912 since Falken tires tend to run narrower, and you'll get a nice stretch that doesn't look too crazy.

[1.5]

Laz runs like perfect flushness and those are good sizes for maintaining similar fitment. I only work outside the fenders LOL