can it be this easy to make a "custom" turbo kit?

[Golddeenoh]

can it be this easy to make a turbo kit? roughly $1634
how good is the t3/t4 turbo?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/UNIVERSAL-T3-T04E-T3-T4-TURBO-KIT-57AR-TURBOCHARGER-UNIVERSAL-STAGE-2-UPGRADE-/121040961096?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&fits=Year%3A2007%7CModel%3AYaris%7CMake%3AToyota&hash=item1c2e9a7e48&vxp=mtr

http://shop.microimageonline.com/1NZ-turbo-exhaust-manifold-MI-tmani-nwg.htm

http://shop.microimageonline.com/AEM-F-IC-fuel-and-timing-controller-30-1910.htm

http://shop.microimageonline.com/Boomslang-Plug-n-Play-Wiring-Harness-BS-001Y.htm

of course no turbo kit is good unless you get some parts from Micro Image :thumbsup:

[tooter]

can it be this easy to make a turbo kit? roughly $1634
how good is the t3/t4 turbo?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/UNIVERSAL-T3-T04E-T3-T4-TURBO-KIT-57AR-TURBOCHARGER-UNIVERSAL-STAGE-2-UPGRADE-/121040961096?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&fits=Year%3A2007%7CModel%3AYaris%7CMake%3AToyota&hash=item1c2e9a7e48&vxp=mtr

http://shop.microimageonline.com/1NZ-turbo-exhaust-manifold-MI-tmani-nwg.htm

http://shop.microimageonline.com/AEM-F-IC-fuel-and-timing-controller-30-1910.htm

http://shop.microimageonline.com/Boomslang-Plug-n-Play-Wiring-Harness-BS-001Y.htm

of course no turbo kit is good unless you get some parts from Micro Image :thumbsup:

Just looking at the sales shows three kits sold in March with only one left. I know nothing about turbos, but all that equipment for $500 sounds pretty good.

[fnkngrv]

Personally I would not buy one of these, but that is just me.

[Yoda]

Get the zage kit from MI and call it a day. Going custom is not as difficult as it use to be there are many diy on it.

[Golddeenoh]

Get the zage kit from MI and call it a day. Going custom is not as difficult as it use to be there are many diy on it.

sure i suppose i could do that and add the wiring harness and AEM FIC to bring up to $2488 or see if i can build a kit that works and has red silicone instead of the blue ones especially if the car is red, the blue might clash a little. and with as much feed back and information on going turbo there is on this forum and the MI forum it should be fairly easy to get together and running good. not to mention that i would also have to hit up Garm for low compression pistons and H or I beam connecting rods. so save the 800 or so difference and Invest it into the bottom end.

[yaris2010RS]

It concerns me that this turbo doesnt have a coolant line (only says oil cooled)

IMO this would be a good kit to build off of. would recommend a better turbo as well and you will probably will need more I/C lines as well as i would be hesitant to use the no-name BOV and wastegate actuator

[Golddeenoh]

It concerns me that this turbo doesnt have a coolant line (only says oil cooled)

IMO this would be a good kit to build off of. would recommend a better turbo as well and you will probably will need more I/C lines as well as i would be hesitant to use the no-name BOV and wastegate actuator

good call, i did notice a higher AR t3/t4 so as long as the mounting flange is the same it should be a fairly easy starting point. there are few more parts to add to what is here with the end goal being a planed build that is cheaper yet more powerfull than a basic 7-8psi kit with an upgraded bottom end.

[fnkngrv]

as well as i would be hesitant to use the no-name BOV and wastegate actuator

+1000

A Tial Wastegate for example is 200+ bucks all on its own let alone and then a solid BOV is another 200+. And let's not forget the boost controller they have which as well you have no idea who manufactures. Just stay away from it and don't have any regrets. :w00t:

[Focus_Sh1ft]

I can't say I wouldn't recommend it, but realize there is A LOT of custom fabrication that will still be needed. Unless you can do it yourself, you're going to be paying for additional parts AND labor. That would likely push it past the point of being more cost effective than a kit, but I could be wrong.

Things to consider:
1) Custom manifold. It's going to need a flange for an external wastegate by the looks of it.
2) Custom downpipe.
3) Personally, I wouldn't want a turbo that isn't water cooled. I also think T3/T4 is a bit overkill for our engine (unless you're building the bottom end).
4) Additional intercolor piping.
5) You'll have to tap the block for oil drain.

I agree with avoiding no-name brand parts too. My bov I used was a knockoff, and just look at how much trouble that caused me...

[yaris2010RS]

Here's the part Garm is gonna like but end of the day its true.

The Zage kit you get good quality starter products complete and ready to install. also if there is any problem with the kit, Microimage will back you up 100% the way.

[Golddeenoh]

Here's the part Garm is gonna like but end of the day its true.

The Zage kit you get good quality starter products complete and ready to install. also if there is any problem with the kit, Microimage will back you up 100% the way.

probably should have led with that :thumbsup:

[Focus_Sh1ft]

Here's the part Garm is gonna like but end of the day its true.

The Zage kit you get good quality starter products complete and ready to install. also if there is any problem with the kit, Microimage will back you up 100% the way.

+119748237586seven

Having customer service > not having it.

There really is no reason to not use Zage if you're not planning on a big build. Keep in mind turbo kits for most other cars run $3k+

[hw6515]

I do have an excel sheet with most of the parts you will need for a full turbo kit, $1634 seems a bit low.

[Golddeenoh]

I do have an excel sheet with most of the parts you will need for a full turbo kit, $1634 seems a bit low.

can i get a copy of that, should be interesting to look at and see what all i'm missing from the original post. I know there are a few things missing from the OP and i know that in order to make a good system low compression pistons, upgraded connecting rods, turbo timer, quality blow off valves, and probably an upgraded fuel system as well.

[hw6515]

can i get a copy of that, should be interesting to look at and see what all i'm missing from the original post. I know there are a few things missing from the OP and i know that in order to make a good system low compression pistons, upgraded connecting rods, turbo timer, quality blow off valves, and probably an upgraded fuel system as well.

Ill post as soon as I get home, it was made with ebay stuff mostly. No engine rebuild.

Couldn't find the final version, but will look for it. (it wasn't completed though)

[fnkngrv]

can i get a copy of that, should be interesting to look at and see what all i'm missing from the original post. I know there are a few things missing from the OP and i know that in order to make a good system low compression pistons, upgraded connecting rods, turbo timer, quality blow off valves, and probably an upgraded fuel system as well.

What is your over all goal? This is the first and foremost question to be asked.

[Blown_xa]

The two most important things in a turbo kit, is the turbo and manifold. Expect to replace the Ebay turbo often. That particular size turbo won't bolt to the micro image manifold anyways. There is no easy/cheap way to boost a car properly, If you go that route expect much headache. At the shop I work at, I can't count how many times a customer brings us an $800 kit and leaves with a $ 5000+ bill.

[hw6515]

Can anyone with first hand knowledge post why those eBay turbos are so bad?

I think pimp my yaris has been for like 2 years with one of this turbos and has not reported any issues with it.

OP, tell me if you prefer i ask this question on my own thread.

[Golddeenoh]

fill this thread with all the questions and information you want as long as it isn't a complete distraction from a car based forum.

[Blown_xa]

Can anyone with first hand knowledge post why those eBay turbos are so bad?

I think pimp my yaris has been for like 2 years with one of this turbos and has not reported any issues with it.

OP, tell me if you prefer i ask this question on my own thread.

They are simply knock -offs. Materials are low quality, balancing methods are primitive, no R&D. One who supports knock -off performance parts, is one who is making the aftermarket performance industry go south.

[cali yaris]

^ Exactly. You could line up ten of those turbos, and no two would be built with the same tolerances.

If you like to roll the dice with your motor, go for it. I've never been comfortable doing it that way, but to each his own.

[Yoda]

Can anyone with first hand knowledge post why those eBay turbos are so bad?

I think pimp my yaris has been for like 2 years with one of this turbos and has not reported any issues with it.

OP, tell me if you prefer i ask this question on my own thread.

Pimp had to replace his turbo...

[hw6515]

OP, if you go the ebay route, could you document the parts you use?

[fnkngrv]

Not to sound like a dick, but really you have a lot of knowledge here now about boosted applications on this car/engine on this forum and also MI. The quick and dirty is that you will NOT be successful in spending only 1k on a turbo set up. Period. Folks that have tried to go as low cost as possible have had failures on critical parts be it in a few months, less that a year, in between 1-2 years, etc.

Nobody out there would begrudge someone for wanting to go boosted on a budget, but this isn't going boosted on a budget. It is merely a formula for disaster somewhere down the road and depending on the disaster it could even be life threatening. When you go turbo especially you are taking a calculated risk, but that is the key word...calculated. How much do you want to put into the risk category is up to you.

I can attest to what happens even with big name parts if they go bad as well as some other folks, but you are talking about leaving your engine and your life into the hands of folks that only has a single goal: putting cash in their pocket and taking it from yours. End of story. :iono:

This isn't like buying the store brand macaroni and cheese as opposed to Kraft or Velveda. Just saying.

[Yoda]

There is already a very good thread with all that info in it.

[Golddeenoh]

is there still a problem with the piping that would come in one of those kit, or the inter-cooler for that mater. I think we got the idea that the Turbo stand an 80% chance of being low quality and causing more problems than making power.

[Golddeenoh]

but but but Trubo wace carr

[fnkngrv]

but but but Trubo wace carr

Then just do it the right way and pick up a Zage or pick up a used Zage, Management, Harness combo from someone and call it a day like we have been trying to tell you. We are trying to save you cash and pain. :iono:

/out

[Golddeenoh]

yea, i know, but the excitement of possibly getting one sooner is what makes me want to go the alternative route. I guess i will just have to save up more and have it take longer to finally get there.

[pimp my yaris]

I am running a custom kit with a EBay turbo. It is a massive undertaking and I was a dealership ASE certified mechanic for over 10 years. The zage kit was not available when I went turbo so I built my own. My advise. Get the zage kit, a AEM FIC and a boomslang harness to hook it up.

[Golddeenoh]

I am running a custom kit with a EBay turbo. It is a massive undertaking and I was a dealership ASE certified mechanic for over 10 years. The zage kit was not available when I went turbo so I built my own. My advise. Get the zage kit, a AEM FIC and a boomslang harness to hook it up.

that was my idea, but i want low comp pistons with I beam connnecting rods, and to run some where close to 20 pounds of boost, so custom is what i figure i will have to do, i want somewhere around 300whp on 93 octane. this is all starting to seem very expensive to do i'm starting to think i wil have to put around 6k into the engine to get it all done. doing custom doesn't scare me, i've been working on cars since i was about 8 and i'm a few semesters away from having my degree in automotive technology. i'm just trying to decide if i should invest in this car or get something that wont be such a head ache to work on.

[kou]

^ more than $6k if you want it done right. If you want to do it stop thinking numbers and start buying parts needed.

[Golddeenoh]

^ more than $6k if you want it done right. If you want to do it stop thinking numbers and start buying parts needed.

well i have to think numbers, my wife would be quit un-pleased with me if i just started buying parts. granted i have so much a month that i can spend how ever I wont once the bills are paid but i also have to have a daily driver and i don't want to have to ask my mother-in-law to borrow a car because i have mine tore apart to do work on it.
some i'm sitting between many decisions.
1) start building my custom turbo kit for my car
2) doing option 1 in a manner as not to displease my wife
3) get something like an old Civic or Mustang to play with and let the Yaris stay as daily driver.
4) same as 2 but for number 3

[yaris2010RS]

Money your gonna spend to build a beater is way more then to boost a yaris.

if you want to keep your yaris as a boosted DD then i definatly recommend going with a zage or even the blitz SC. you can go the ebay way but you wont have a reliable DD and will be more work then fun.

to save money you can get a zage and run around 5psi and you dont have to have management

and FYI your wife will always be un-pleased if your buying stuff not for her....

[fnkngrv]

you are going to have 3-4k alone in the top end to get you usable 300hp. You will hit the 6250rpm ceiling faster than you can blink believe me. I hit it quick as hell even at 8-10psi. The extra 800-1000rpm will make a decent difference. Your bottom end can run you easily 2k and now you are at your 6k mark without even boosting the engine.

[yaris2010RS]

^or a bolt on zage kit @5psi and you get to work just a bit faster and make it there everyday.....

[Focus_Sh1ft]

If you have the money (and preferably the support of your wife), I don't see what you're waiting for. Buy a beater, find a local shop, and get a build going!

... But I may be a bit biased because I want to see a serious build :smile:

[pimp my yaris]

I am already Running 9.5/1 cp pistons and Pauter rods at about 19-20psi with my custom turbo set up. And I am sure I am not at 300whp. More like 230-250whp I would guess. I am still working on a missfire issue. The FIC piggyback is only good to 22psi. Blown XA reached 300whp at 27psi if I remember right. I would take whatever you think it will cost and add about 2-3 grand. There are many small parts fittings lines gaskets etc. that add up fast. And I would plan on a standalone ECM to reach 300whp. If you live in a place with emissions testing that can be a problem.

[Focus_Sh1ft]

If you live in a place with emissions testing that can be a problem.

Dear lord, tell me about it. BOTH of my cars need inspection done and even talking about fake inspection to anyone is like talking about... Lord Voldemort. :iono:

[pimp my yaris]

I just got my emissions test notice in the mail. I need to pass before the end of June. I am going to put in my stock injectors and bypass plug for the FIC and disconnect the turbo with the wastegate fully open and see if I can keep the check engine light off. ?????

[Golddeenoh]

yea i'm just going to save up until i can actually get it all together at once, most likely going to get something else to play with and keep the Yaris as my reliable daily driver. no smog here in South Carolina, not yet anyways.

[fnkngrv]

I just got my emissions test notice in the mail. I need to pass before the end of June. I am going to put in my stock injectors and bypass plug for the FIC and disconnect the turbo with the wastegate fully open and see if I can keep the check engine light off. ?????

they don't do an IBDII scan for your emissions?

[why?]

A lot of states don't. We're just screwed enough to live in states that love following california's lead, and then does stupid crap to screw everything up to make it even more stringent.

Not sure there would be any chance of a 300 hp Yaris passing any emissions test in Ma. Or in any state that hooks the emissions computer up to the car.

[yaris2010RS]

FWIW when my engine was boosted it still would have passed the OBD2 emission method. and when im done rebuilding it (hopefulyl around 300hp) i plan to have it pass again