Boston Bombings

[TPA5]

Just wanted to offer my prayers to those caught up in the disgusting, senseless terror attacks in Boston this afternoon. From a Canadian brother, my thoughts and prayers are with everyone who has been hurt by this shocking attack.

[Kaotic Lazagna]

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[JumpmanYaris]

+2

Suspect #2 has been apprehended

[goliath1812]

Too bad the government had a lot to do with it

[djhuddy2442]

Too bad the government had a lot to do with it

totally agree on your statement sir

[JumpmanYaris]

Oh yes because you work for the people that did it and that's how you know. Correct? :rolleyes:

[goliath1812]

No, I wasn't there, and I don't "know". There have just been too many "coincidences" lately that I can't just ignore and believe whatever the media is wanting to spew.

[sqcomp]

Regarding this latest line...

I have also been a little wary of things happening over the last 10+ years really. I'm not a consipracy theorist, but I have a "go bag" ready to make as quick of a run as possible to a remote compound.

[goliath1812]

I have a "go bag" ready to make as quick of a run as possible to a remote compound.

Never a bad idea.

[bronsin]

Here is my take on it.

The media puts these things on TV (for hours and hours) and people who normally wouldnt do things like this get the bright idea "Hey thats what I should do!" :eek:

But you may differ...:iono:

[bentjazz]

"Too bad the government had a lot to do with it"

Huh? What's that supposed to mean?
Here's my take on it---the lowlife degenerates who perpetrated this act of terror were radicalized Islamic extremist bottom dwellers who are part of a faith that glorifies collective identity, uses coercive tactics and violent measures to oppress opposing worldviews/dissent, and marginalizes the individual right to self-determination apart from said faith. Theirs is a 7th century mentality.
Again, the government had a lot to do with what?

[goliath1812]

It is my opinion that the government was involved. If not by directly placing and setting off the bombs, then by at least having prior knowledge and not alerting anybody or letting anybody know there could be a threat. There were bomb sniffing dogs at the starting line, people running the race were told the day before that they were going to die (as they were picking up pre-race documents), and before/during the race, announcements were made that there is going to be a "drill" and not to be worried. Again, I was not there firsthand, I am just reporting what I have researched. There are also reports that there were "parents" of the "Sandy Hook massacre" spotted at the race.....but Sandy Hook is a different story.
I strongly believe that the government was involved, and the media plays these stories to make Americans scared, and that gives the government control.

[bronsin]

HAd the perps planted the bombs ahead of time no doubt the authorities would have found them.

But it appears they planted them just minutes before they exploded, to avoid just such an outcome.

That of course left the perps vulnerable to being seen or video taped. Which they were and which they must have known was likely.

[JumpmanYaris]

I RLMAO with y'all's comments. It is the most idiotic things I have heard

[screenprintr]

If the Government didn't tell anyone of threats, who told them the night before, and at the registration tables you mentioned.

[nookandcrannycar]

Too bad the government had a lot to do with it

Perhaps. Perhaps not. But it is far more easily possible than a lot people would imagine.

[goliath1812]

If the Government didn't tell anyone of threats, who told them the night before, and at the registration tables you mentioned.

I can't seem to find the article I had read earlier, but there was a quote from one of the runners, that was picking up his pre-race packet, mentioning that there was/were a person/people telling the runners they were going to die during the race. He did not mention any affiliation with anybody credible (police, government, etc.) he chalked it up to the rantings of a crazy person.


http://www.infowars.com/17-unanswered-questions-about-the-boston-marathon-bombing-the-media-is-afraid-to-ask/

more unanswered questions.

[nookandcrannycar]

It is my opinion that the government was involved. If not by directly placing and setting off the bombs, then by at least having prior knowledge and not alerting anybody or letting anybody know there could be a threat. There were bomb sniffing dogs at the starting line, people running the race were told the day before that they were going to die (as they were picking up pre-race documents), and before/during the race, announcements were made that there is going to be a "drill" and not to be worried. Again, I was not there firsthand, I am just reporting what I have researched. There are also reports that there were "parents" of the "Sandy Hook massacre" spotted at the race.....but Sandy Hook is a different story.
I strongly believe that the government was involved, and the media plays these stories to make Americans scared, and that gives the government control.

I agree, but the government is really more of a tool, an instrument. You might enjoy reading The True Story of The Bilderberg Group by Daniel Estulin. My mother and my aunt both married downward to a family listing in the Blue Book (my mother got married quite late in life...almost too late to have me), but my grandfather still saw to it that I was raised at his knee, so to speak, also having our own house that he let my mother pick out (within 4 miles of their house). My grandfather held two voluntary chairmanships at the behest of the Treasury Department during his lifetime. He counted among his friends (to a lesser extent) 1 POTUS and (to a greater extent) 1 SCOTUS Chief Justice and 2 California Governors (a few examples, among others). My grandmother was a member of a small bridge club (8 other ladies...sometimes they'd have 1 table and sometimes 2) for over 50 years. The same 9 ladies for over 5 decades (the 9 were also members of many of the same clubs and charitable organizations). The husband of one of the ladies was on the original Forbes 400 list (he has since passed away) and 2 other members of their family are on the current Forbes 400 list. On my end, I almost married into a 'military tradition', so to speak (no, not the McCain family, and not nearly as well known). My girlfriend's father schooled me in what he wanted me to know (he wanted me to go to Naval OCS in Newport, as one of my good friends did, rather than chase owning my own business). My girlfriend broke up with me, and then a year later regretted her decision...but I knew I could no longer really count on her in ways that I felt were meaningful. From what I learned from my grandparents, what I learned growing up where I did, what I learned from my girlfriend's father, and on my own, I don't have a lot of doubt that much of the content of The True Story of The Bilderberg Group is true.

[nookandcrannycar]

I RLMAO with y'all's comments. It is the most idiotic things I have heard

First of all, thank you for your service. One of the things I like most about Texas is the respect people have for those who serve. One hears 'thank you for your service' all the time, and people really mean what they are saying. The people I've met here really, really care about this country. Patriotism abounds. I find it quite intoxicating.

Second, if you think that y'all's comments are idiotic, then you are just plain naive. Perhaps that is a good thing, as it might be hard to meet your daily tasks with the enthusiasm your superiors desire if you had a perspective that was any different than the one you have.

[goliath1812]

You might enjoy reading The True Story of The Bilderberg Group by Daniel Estulin.

I will check it out. Thank you, sir.

[nookandcrannycar]

I will check it out. Thank you, sir.

:thumbsup:

[STC]

I don't believe in the US wars in Iraq and Afganistan too, but I'm not going to kill innocent US citizens because of this! What the captured brother said to officials, the more and more the term "blowback" is so CORRECT! RP is correct. What did Dzhokhar say? Fact: US wars on Iraq and Afganistan was their motive. This came from his mouth! Muslims and terror groups don't hate the USA because they are jealous of our freedom. It's the sticking our nose in their sovereignty, religion, economy, and natural resources that makes them hate us. And you don't have to be foreign. You can be living right here in the USA, reaping the benefits of US lifestyle, including taking welfare. Yep, these brothers enjoyed the "freedom". How could they hate it? Maybe we should reconsider what we do in our foreign policy?

Cheers!:smile:

[47_MasoN_47]

I don't know what to make of all this mess, but there are clearly a lot of shenanigans going on.

Regardless, I don't like the fact that Blackwater was called in to help with the (most likely illegal) warrantless searches of people's homes while holding the owners at gunpoint. Para military mercenary groups don't have any business being on our streets conducting police business. Especially just chasing some 19 year old punk.

[goliath1812]

I don't believe in the US wars in Iraq and Afganistan too, but I'm not going to kill innocent US citizens because of this! What the captured brother said to officials, the more and more the term "blowback" is so CORRECT! RP is correct. What did Dzhokhar say? Fact: US wars on Iraq and Afganistan was their motive. This came from his mouth! Muslims and terror groups don't hate the USA because they are jealous of our freedom. It's the sticking our nose in their sovereignty, religion, economy, and natural resources that makes them hate us. And you don't have to be foreign. You can be living right here in the USA, reaping the benefits of US lifestyle, including taking welfare. Yep, these brothers enjoyed the "freedom". How could they hate it? Maybe we should reconsider what we do in our foreign policy?

Cheers!:smile:

I don't know why it's so hard for our government to figure out. Imagine if any other country came over here and made bases, patrolled, and tried to take over the way we run our country. We would have none of it. What makes it OK for us to do this exact thing to other nations and not expect retaliation? It seems so simple to me.....and another bonus is saving tons of tax money.....

[why?]

I don't believe in the US wars in Iraq and Afganistan too, but I'm not going to kill innocent US citizens because of this! What the captured brother said to officials, the more and more the term "blowback" is so CORRECT! RP is correct. What did Dzhokhar say? Fact: US wars on Iraq and Afganistan was their motive. This came from his mouth! Muslims and terror groups don't hate the USA because they are jealous of our freedom. It's the sticking our nose in their sovereignty, religion, economy, and natural resources that makes them hate us. And you don't have to be foreign. You can be living right here in the USA, reaping the benefits of US lifestyle, including taking welfare. Yep, these brothers enjoyed the "freedom". How could they hate it? Maybe we should reconsider what we do in our foreign policy?

Cheers!:smile:

Muslims have been our enemy since our country started. 25% of the first Continental Congress' budget went to muslims in the form of either bribes to get them to stop attacking our ships, or blackmail to get our people back. We created the Marines because of the Muslims, it is referenced in their anthem, the first Marines attacked Tripoli and freed a ton of captives muslims took. Muslims have been killing since their cult began, there is absolutely nothing we could do to stop them killing besides wiping them out.

[nookandcrannycar]

Regardless, I don't like the fact that Blackwater was called in to help with the (most likely illegal) warrantless searches of people's homes while holding the owners at gunpoint. Para military mercenary groups don't have any business being on our streets conducting police business. Especially just chasing some 19 year old punk.

^^^^^ This. And possibly Blackwater was brought in re trying to skirt any potential conflict with Posse Comitatus and also Section 1031, Clause B, Article 2 of the 2012 NDAA ?

[nookandcrannycar]

I don't believe in the US wars in Iraq and Afganistan too, but I'm not going to kill innocent US citizens because of this! What the captured brother said to officials, the more and more the term "blowback" is so CORRECT! RP is correct. What did Dzhokhar say? Fact: US wars on Iraq and Afganistan was their motive. This came from his mouth! Muslims and terror groups don't hate the USA because they are jealous of our freedom. It's the sticking our nose in their sovereignty, religion, economy, and natural resources that makes them hate us. And you don't have to be foreign. You can be living right here in the USA, reaping the benefits of US lifestyle, including taking welfare. Yep, these brothers enjoyed the "freedom". How could they hate it? Maybe we should reconsider what we do in our foreign policy?

Cheers!:smile:

There are other groups who (IMO intentionally) take the Quran out of context to to recruit nearly illiterate followers. This is going to happen no matter what our foreign policy is. IMO, the base motivation of these extremists isn't U.S. aggression, it's their own extremist ideology irrespective of the actions of the U.S. For other types of extremists, the conflict re who should occupy 'the Holy Land' is their motivation, but that is another huge kettle of fish. I used to feel the way you and Goliath do, but I no longer think that is realistic. I think U.S. policy should be based on what is best for our country (which IMO might include changing policy, but because in is best for us, not because other countries don't like it). One of our main problems, IMO, is that we have many bureaucrats who care more about their own turf, their own egos, and perpetuating the need for their own jobs then they do about our country (not to mention the agendas of those outside of government). To see a stark contrast re truly caring about the country, look at how Sweden is administered (albeit aided by the fact that it is small, and also more homogenous (both ethnically and religiously).

[nookandcrannycar]

Muslims have been our enemy since our country started. 25% of the first Continental Congress' budget went to muslims in the form of either bribes to get them to stop attacking our ships, or blackmail to get our people back. We created the Marines because of the Muslims, it is referenced in their anthem, the first Marines attacked Tripoli and freed a ton of captives muslims took. Muslims have been killing since their cult began, there is absolutely nothing we could do to stop them killing besides wiping them out.

I don't feel quite as strongly as you do, but my current view is much closer to yours than to the other side of the coin.

[why?]

It is really sad, because there are probably some really good people that get mixed up in believing islam is somehow a good religion.

But in reality, wherever there are muslims, there is violence against non-muslims. There are now no Christian churches left in Egypt, because muslims have burnt them all to the ground.

If you talk to those so called palestinians without a camera, a group that exists 100% because no muslim country wants them, they all want to be ruled by Israel, because it is the only country in the region with actual freedom.

And to me, the worst crime of all. Before the muslim cult started, there were well over 100 million Zoroastrians alive, most living in the middle east and afghanistan/packistan. There are now only about 1.5 million left in the entire world, most in the USA. The number one cause of death for Zoroastrians is murder by muslims. The Zoroastrian religion was the first to believe in one God, Zoroastrians taught the Jews a high percentage of what we think of as the Jewish religion, and they were almost completely obliterated by muslims.

How's that for the religion of peace?

[nookandcrannycar]

It is really sad, because there are probably some really good people that get mixed up in believing islam is somehow a good religion.

But in reality, wherever there are muslims, there is violence against non-muslims. There are now no Christian churches left in Egypt, because muslims have burnt them all to the ground.

If you talk to those so called palestinians without a camera, a group that exists 100% because no muslim country wants them, they all want to be ruled by Israel, because it is the only country in the region with actual freedom.

And to me, the worst crime of all. Before the muslim cult started, there were well over 100 million Zoroastrians alive, most living in the middle east and afghanistan/packistan. There are now only about 1.5 million left in the entire world, most in the USA. The number one cause of death for Zoroastrians is murder by muslims. The Zoroastrian religion was the first to believe in one God, Zoroastrians taught the Jews a high percentage of what we think of as the Jewish religion, and they were almost completely obliterated by muslims.

How's that for the religion of peace?

It is terrible. Just playing devil's advocate -- not all muslims are fundamentalists and/or jihadists and many of those who aren't claim that those who claim that the Quran requires death to non-believers (infidels, as I'm sure you know) are parsing the Quran to fit their agenda and taking it out of context, and that the non fundamentalist and non jihadi muslims should be able to live in peace. Why would that view be incorrect?

[verongome]

I offer my condolences to the departed ones and hope that government changes for better.

[goliath1812]

I think it's sad that you are so full of hate. To blame one entire religion, or over 1.6 billion people...for terrorism.... it's just sad that someone can lump that many people into one category, only because a few have done wrong.
"One source says that Muslim attacks worldwide and against all targets, failed and successful, add up to 18,000 since 2001. This number is bound to be controversial and subject to error. If this involved 18,000 Muslims, that's a little over one-thousandth of one percent of Muslims who engaged in a terrorist or violent attempted attack or attack anywhere in the world."
So you would like to destroy 1.6 billion lives, because of the actions of 18,000.....? And you say THEY are not a peaceful religion? What do you preach?

[Lippitt]

^^ Agree with that, there shouldn't be any 'group' hate for any religion or things like it. You can't blame one person never mind huge amounts of people, for one or two peoples decisions. Just the same as you shouldn't be hateful of total strangers because of some idea about them or there choices. Weird people who can just jump on any old bandwagon of opinion.

[nookandcrannycar]

Weird people who can just jump on any old bandwagon of opinion.

You obviously haven't read any or only very few of why?'s posts. I don't always agree with him, but he is possibly the last person I can ever imagine jumping on any old bandwagon of opinion.

[nookandcrannycar]

I think it's sad that you are so full of hate. To blame one entire religion, or over 1.6 billion people...for terrorism.... it's just sad that someone can lump that many people into one category, only because a few have done wrong.
"One source says that Muslim attacks worldwide and against all targets, failed and successful, add up to 18,000 since 2001. This number is bound to be controversial and subject to error. If this involved 18,000 Muslims, that's a little over one-thousandth of one percent of Muslims who engaged in a terrorist or violent attempted attack or attack anywhere in the world."
So you would like to destroy 1.6 billion lives, because of the actions of 18,000.....? And you say THEY are not a peaceful religion? What do you preach?

The problem is, it's not as simple as you illustrate above. One can be militant without being violent and the subsequent chain of events can lead others to be violent (among other negative consequences). Many consider Canada the birthplace of multicultural ideology in the early 1970s, which then took hold in many other countries. I know that at the very end of the 1980s, some Swedish universities had a 15% quota for foreign students in some of their graduate programs. This quota was nearly always filled because the Swedish government was picking up the tab for most of this.

In Norway, even before Anders Breivik committed his atrocities, one could read articles published in English in publications in Norway re how parents in Olso were moving out to the suburbs to get away from the severe problems that policies sprouting from multiculturalism were creating. Around the same time, or a bit later, one could go on YouTube and view videos made by obviously bright people about the problems (albeit less severe than in Norway) in Sweden such policies were creating. Eventually, Denmark and the Netherlands officially reversed their policy to that of monoculturalism. Later, David Cameron, and other leaders, gave speeches re why multiculturalism as an official policy doesn't work. Even though Britain, France, and a few other nations are still on the fence about what to do, when I think about why multiculturalism doesn't work, I think about muslims in Great Britain wanting to be left alone to conduct family matters based on their own culture rather than by local and national law. That can only end up resulting in chaos. If you have a peaceful status quo based on assimilation, and other groups who want to essentially have most of their previous world inside (and benefitting from) a more prosperous and very different world, then violence may result just from that dynamic...from those who are not terrorists or jihadists.

[why?]

It is terrible. Just playing devil's advocate -- not all muslims are fundamentalists and/or jihadists and many of those who aren't claim that those who claim that the Quran requires death to non-believers (infidels, as I'm sure you know) are parsing the Quran to fit their agenda and taking it out of context, and that the non fundamentalist and non jihadi muslims should be able to live in peace. Why would that view be incorrect?

That is the thing though, even if 50% of all muslims are 100% pacifist, that leaves 50% that believe the quran to the exact letter.

Another problem we see is the quran we get in the USA is not what they read in the Middle East, or anywhere else. They completely change the wording to make it sound much less violent than it really is.

But if there were really so many muslims who wanted non violence, where are they? Why aren't the preaching non violence anywhere? Why, when looking for muslim clerics, can you only find the ones preaching extreme hatred? That is the biggest problem I have. I just don't see any Muslims stepping up to state the evils of terrorism, even when asked point blank they completely refuse to denounce terrorism.

And people have been trying to find these so called peaceful Muslims. But they just don't seem to exist. More problematically, the quran states Muslims are encouraged to lie to infidels if the lie will give Islam power over said infidel.

I think it's sad that you are so full of hate. To blame one entire religion, or over 1.6 billion people...for terrorism.... it's just sad that someone can lump that many people into one category, only because a few have done wrong.
"One source says that Muslim attacks worldwide and against all targets, failed and successful, add up to 18,000 since 2001. This number is bound to be controversial and subject to error. If this involved 18,000 Muslims, that's a little over one-thousandth of one percent of Muslims who engaged in a terrorist or violent attempted attack or attack anywhere in the world."
So you would like to destroy 1.6 billion lives, because of the actions of 18,000.....? And you say THEY are not a peaceful religion? What do you preach?

It is amazing you confuse simple facts with emotion. This is one example of why our society is so screwed up, people don't know how to think without assuming everything is all about emotions, instead of facts or logic.

Maybe you need to do more research, and see exactly what Muslims teach their children about non Muslims.

There is a gigantic difference between your completely made up number of terrorist attacks and what Muslims have systematically done since it began.

Have you ever even cracked open a real quran? Have you read how God came to the prophet? It is not like any other telling of God speaking to humankind found in any other religion.

Have you read the story of how their prophet brutally murdered every single man, woman, and child in the village he grew up in because they kicked him out? How their prophet decided God told him it was just fine to marry a six year old and then start sexual relations with her when she was 9?

How after he was kicked out of his homeland, instead of peacefully preaching, he joined up with a band of brigands as they killed and stole from all passerby, eventually coming to be their leader?

None of this has anything to do with emotion. This is what they wrote about their prophet.

islam is nothing like any other religion on the planet. Pointing that out is not hate, it is simple fact.

[nookandcrannycar]

Another problem we see is the quran we get in the USA is not what they read in the Middle East, or anywhere else. They completely change the wording to make it sound much less violent than it really is.

But if there were really so many muslims who wanted non violence, where are they? Why aren't the preaching non violence anywhere? Why, when looking for muslim clerics, can you only find the ones preaching extreme hatred? That is the biggest problem I have. I just don't see any Muslims stepping up to state the evils of terrorism, even when asked point blank they completely refuse to denounce terrorism.


Good points, especially most of the second paragraph. I can't cite a specific example, but I have heard some so called peaceful muslims denounce violence, but only when asked (which I find cowardly). If that is what they truly believe, they should be denouncing violence and terrorism on their own, without having to be prompted.

[nookandcrannycar]

http:/usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/26/17897741-not--american-women-who-converted-to-islam-speak-out?ocid=msnhp&pos=1

^^^^^ About 10 minutes ago I saw this for the first time on the MSN.com homepage and thought some might find it interesting.

[TPA5]

I think the biggest thing everyone is missing is the fact that 3 people are dead, and over a hundred injured. Is it suspicious? You bet it is, and I don't trust any of the official stories. But the point of this was to offer my condolences to those touched by these terrible events, not spark a huge discussion about Muslims/Government/Christians/Religion/Politics. Take it to another thread.

[why?]

No one is missing anything. It was a horrid terrorist crime. It changed the life of everyone living near boston, including me.

But to expect people not to talk about the reasons behind it is foolish. If you stick your head in the sand, this type of thing will just keep happening. Knowledge is the best remedy for keeping evil at bay.