Yaris vs. Aveo: The Real Competitor [Archive] - Toyota Yaris Forums

redyaris

03-23-2007, 03:40 PM

I believe the only true competitor to the Yaris is the Chevrolet Aveo.

****Note that I do not endorse or support the Aveo in any way****

I happened to stop at the Chevy dealer last Sunday (after they were closed :tongue: ) to see the pricing of an Aveo5 hatch.

There was a loaded red hatch on the lot. The sticker was $13K.

Chevrolet boasts that the Aveo is the 'lowest priced car in the United States.' (MSRP of course)

I see from Chevrolet's site that the Aveo has MP3 Aux jack, and a sunroof available too as options.

What do you think? Is the Honda Fit not the closest competitor Toyota faces in the US market?

http://http://www.saabcanada.com/images/vehicles/2005/chevrolet/aveo/chev_aveo_mode_02_main.jpg

BailOut

03-23-2007, 03:43 PM

What good is any option package or sticker price if you can't keep the car on the road and out of the shop? That's is Chevy's largest problem today, as it has been for at least 15 years, and why folks like myself stopped buying American cars (as Ford and Dodge aren't much better).

jamal1984

03-23-2007, 03:50 PM

My girlfriend got a 06 Aveo LS, first of all, i'm not a Chevy Fan either. But her got everything from Keyless entry, power package except the sunroof for a around $13,000 dollars, she bought it last year.

I think her car can do better on gas mileage than my Yaris. But i really don't know how long it's will last.
Beside that. It's feel great, it's got a big room inside, we travelled alot on that car and it's feel way bettter than Yaris Sedan. Last time i took my yaris for a 400 miles drive straight, and i feel like the Yaris is about to tear apart for that long trip, but the Aveo is nothing like that.

Still this is my opinion, i'm still like my Yaris than my gf Aveo, but i'm scare to take my Yaris for a long road trip. I will definitely take AVEO for a long trip for comfort and not worry about nothing.

redyaris

03-23-2007, 03:51 PM

I know, I cringed in fear of actually stepping onto a GM lot.

I was shaking with fear for nightmares of my 1983 Camaro experience!!!!!

That car was held together by one remaining bolt when I ditched it!:eek:

CASTREX

03-23-2007, 03:59 PM

The Aveo is not an American car. Is 100% Korean with a Chevy badge. Is actually closer to a Hyundai than to a Chevy.:wink:

jamal1984

03-23-2007, 04:02 PM

The Aveo is not an American car. Is 100% Korean with a Chevy badge. Is actually closer to a Hyundai than to a Chevy.:wink:

Are you serious? i really don't know nothing much about this at all.

redyaris

03-23-2007, 04:03 PM

The Aveo is not an American car. Is 100% Korean with a Chevy badge. Is actually closer to a Hyundai than to a Chevy.:wink:

Yeah, but the dealers selling and servicing it are 100% GM American!

CASTREX

03-23-2007, 04:11 PM

My GF has a 05 Aveo hatch is OK but I can tell you is no where near the Yaris.

marcus

03-23-2007, 04:13 PM

if you check out aveo gas mileage...its the worst small engine gas mileage car.. one of my friend has one and he is only running barely 400 km full tanks 42 liters... where yaris which is faster runs over 600 km on 42 liters...

redyaris

03-23-2007, 04:27 PM

Yeah, I think the Yaris best advantage over the Aveo is the MPG.

That, and it may hold together more than a year!

Astroman

03-23-2007, 04:29 PM

When my yaris was is the shop for 75 days due to the wreck, I had a 06 chevy aveo for 60 straight days. It wasn't as equipped (AM/FM, auto, A/C, rear wiper & defroster) as my yaris, but as far as gas, it did worse than my yaris, it had considerably less passing & hill climbing power, and I hated its auto transmission. I can get my auto to shift how I want it to, but the aveo felt like it crap. The very few times I tried to take corners as fast as I could in my yaris I almost went off the road. I hated the "faux" carbon fibre door handles on the inside. Every time you closed the door you felt like it was going to fall off. I also hated how the drivers door locked. You had to lock it with the key if the door was open (i like to lock my door when I get out of the car). Even though it was a 4-door hatch, there was more cargo room, and it did have 60/40 split rear seats. But honestly, I hated every minute of being in that car. As for road trips, my yaris is way more comfortable. Over thanksgiving weekend I took it to So-Cal (1,000 mile one way) and had zero issues. And the kicker is I used about 2 tanks of gas. My old astro van would use about the same amount in 400 miles. The aveo felt cheap, drove cheap, and I do quite a bit of in-town driving (deliveries) and used up considerably more gas. There was one small plus I guess besides more room behind the 60/40 seats, a RPM gage. BUT, it was WAY better on gas, handling, comfort than the 04 kia rio I had first for 2 weeks, lol.

redyaris

03-23-2007, 04:31 PM

When my yaris was is the shop for 75 days due to the wreck, I had a chevy aveo for 60 straight days. It wasn't as equipped (AM/FM, auto, A/C, rear wiper & defroster) as my yaris, but as far as gas, it did worse than my yaris, it had considerably less passing & hill climbing power, and I hated its auto transmission. I can get my auto to shift how I want it to, but the aveo felt like it crap. The very few times I tried to take corners as fast as I could in my yaris I almost went off the road. I hated the "faux" carbon fibre door handles on the inside. Every time you closed the door you felt like it was going to fall off. I also hated how the drivers door locked. You had to lock it with the key if the door was opened. Even though it was a 4-door hatch, there was more cargo room, and it did have 60/40 split rear seats. But honestly, I hated every minute of being in that car. As for road trips, my yaris is way more comfortable. Over thanksgiving weekend I took it to So-Cal (1,000 mile one way) and had zero issues. And the kicker is I used about 2 tanks of gas. My old astro van would use about the same amount in 400 miles. The aveo felt cheap, drove cheap, and I do quite a bit of in-town driving (deliveries) and used up considerably more gas. There was one small plus I guess besides more room behind the 60/40 seats, a RPM gage. BUT, it was WAY better on gas, handling, comfort than the 04 kia rio I had first for 2 weeks, lol.

Hey dont knock that fake carbon fibre. It will look REAL GOOD in the 08 Dale Earnhardt limited edition Aveo sedan!!!!:headbang:

Pavel Olavich

03-23-2007, 05:20 PM

Yeah, but the dealers selling and servicing it are 100% GM American!

You idiot Anti-American jerk...so are the mechanics that service Toyotas, Honda's and any make here in the US....If you don't like America or Americans' go back to the hole you were crapped out of!

redyaris

03-23-2007, 05:24 PM

If you don't like America or Americans' go back to the hole you were crapped out of!

Um, that would be the United States of America...gee, let me guess, you idolize George W Bush and im a communist, do i have that right :thumbsup:

Is someone named 'PAVEL OLAVICH' calling me Anti-American? Does anyone see the irony here??

stuffy

03-23-2007, 05:54 PM

bigsky2

03-23-2007, 06:05 PM

Nice.. another thread gone to shit.

Moose

03-23-2007, 06:09 PM

The Aveo is not an American car. Is 100% Korean with a Chevy badge. Is actually closer to a Hyundai than to a Chevy.:wink:

Yup, it's a Daewoo.

Moose

03-23-2007, 06:13 PM

You idiot Anti-American jerk...so are the mechanics that service Toyotas, Honda's and any make here in the US....If you don't like America or Americans' go back to the hole you were crapped out of!

WTF?

May I ask what warranted that response? I don't see anything anti-American about it- I think it was more along the lines of, "this is how domestic car companies pull the wool over Americans' eyes."

:cough:anapologywouldbenice:cough:

CASTREX

03-23-2007, 06:16 PM

Astroman

03-23-2007, 06:19 PM

My thoughts exactly. Whats real funny about this though, is that a LOT of "american" cars are not even built in the US, and quite a few "un-american" cars are built in the U.S.... Toyota is even planning on building the prius in the U.S... So I find it funny that someone would take offense to anyone talking bad about an aveo, when it really isn't an american car. It isn't designed by americans, built by americans or anything. Just serviced, which is EXACTLY how any other import or domestic would be serviced (where its located, regardless of country.) My great-grandmother was president of the United Autoworkers Union. She of course always prided herself on buying american cars. Her last car, a chrysler, she thought was american as they come. Only to find out it wasn't even built in the US. Oh, might I add that car needed a new transmission at 34k miles? And only a 80yo woman drove it, so you know it was never pushed real hard. Besides, getting all puffed up over american/imported cars is stupid. Some die-hard domestic fans out there might be surprised how many "imports" are built in the US by americans, and how many "domestics" are built elsewhere. My '87 chevy astro van was 100% assembled in mexico. Besides, I bought a yaris because it offered the BEST fuel economy in my price range, came with the options I wanted, and I also wanted something reliable that with proper care, could last decades.

AaronATL

03-23-2007, 06:32 PM

if those country had to pay import taxes like we pay our
export taxes, it would be made in, smalltown USA

Aveo
outsourced---------------Made in USA
labor $222 --------labor $8000
parts $4000 ---------parts $4000
shipping $1599 ---------shipping $599
port tax $ 0------------port tax $ none

not much of a profit

BailOut

03-23-2007, 07:56 PM

It doesn't really matter where a vehicle is physically stamped, molded or assembled at. What matters is how the company that product belongs to manages things like quality assurance and materials verification.

GM, Ford and Dodge have never had a handle on quality control, even when their plants was just blocks from their headquarters. Why anyone would think that magically changes when you move the plant 6,000 miles away is beyond me.

Regardless of where Toyotas are built each plant is forced to adhere to the strict standards that were originally set and are still used in Japan. That's one of the main reasons that Toyotas commonly go for 200,000 - 300,000 miles or more without any major repairs being needed, even if they are somewhat mistreated, while the average American-designed/managed vehicle is on borrowed time starting around 80,000 miles, if it even lasts that long on its original equipment to begin with.

Our Tacoma was stamped in Japan and assembled in Mexico. Our Yaris is 100% Japanese. Both are quality vehicles and have thus far performed very well (the Tacoma just hit 130k miles and is now pretty much used just for short commutes and hauling a 4,800 pound boat over a mountain, which it does like a champ).

Our last American car (and the last one we'll ever own), which I traded in on the Yaris, was a 1999 Dodge Stratus that I managed to keep on the road for 138,000 miles with a strict maintenance schedule, lots of TLC... and $4,800 of repairs over 7 shop visits. Ouch. Never again.

jamal1984

03-23-2007, 08:01 PM

it's look like GM, DODGE, FORD need to do something about their cars, or else very soon no one will drive one of them, all we see on the street is our YARIS and HONDA.

But now i think GM offer 100,000 miles warrranty on their cars right?
So how is that affect Toyota for 36,000 miles warranty?

Razr

03-23-2007, 08:17 PM

The Aveo is not an American car. Is 100% Korean with a Chevy badge. Is actually closer to a Hyundai than to a Chevy.:wink:

Well in fact, the Aveo is a Daewoo - which is both Korean and owned by GM.

I dont know where the US market Aveo's are made, but the one's they're flogging around here are made in India.

Spades

03-23-2007, 08:55 PM

yeah, Aveo=Daewoo

now, onto the competition... Yaris>Aveo

I bought my wife a 05 Aveo sedan last year used for 10,800...I purchased my Yaris new at the end of last year for 11k. Hers has power windows and cd player and is an auto. my car was radio delete with no power options.

Her car gets 35mpg in the city, my yaris has been getting 45+ mpg in the city.

The Yaris seems roomier inside, has better placement of controls and radio, handles better, has more HP, has WAY better brakes, more pockets to stash stuff in, has a smoother ride, is quieter inside, it also has better fabric for seats and carpets.
I and most other people think that the yaris and aveo 4 door sedans when compared side by side belive the yaris is far better looking.

I own both cars, and in my opinion, yaris for the win.

ECHOKnight2000

03-23-2007, 09:07 PM

Its really no contest. The Yaris wins. Sure the Aveo may offer more bang for your buck with options but that starts to fade as the quality is not there, and it feels more like a really cheap car...okay that's how its positioned but you know what I mean. Anyway I read Aveo forums from time to time and stuff is going wrong with their cars like at 10K, 20K and major stuff too as well as little and as mentioned before the gas mileage is awefull! Daewoo pretty much went bankrupt and so GM bought them out and obviously is rebadging their cars including cars for Suzuki which was partly owned by GM but I believe is now or soon to not be part of GM...thank goodness!!

Kitt

03-23-2007, 09:38 PM

My best friend had one (it is totaled now) but he always said that my car has whole more output than his when he drove it and yes, it was on the shop all the time and the engine has a daewoo badge on it!

redyaris

03-23-2007, 10:05 PM

Nice.. another thread gone to shit.

No, we just had someone that tried to do that. He flamed me, I handled him and he is gone now. This poster btw admonishes me and others in another thread for acting like 'junior high' however. Hypocrisy at its best!

Discussion resumed.

Did I mention I hated the Aveo? NO. I would have liked having the sunroof option on the Yaris. I think Chevy had the right idea with the Aveo but I would never own one thanks to my former history with American cars (GM in particular).

In the past 25 years ive owned a Chevy Camaro, a Lincoln Mark VII LSC, a Pontiac Grand Am GT sedan, and a Chrysler Sebring convertible. All turned out to be utter crap, in the service bay as much as on the road. Electrical gremlins, transmissions that needed replacing after 80K, multiple front and rear seal oil leaks, etc.....

Ive also had a Nissan Maxima, a Honda Del Sol and a Volvo 850 turbo, each of which outperformed the domestic cars in every regard and went over 100K without a sweat...In fact, I wish I never sold my Honda as it was the best car I have ever owned!!!!

So GM, no thanks: burned in the past means youve lost me forever as a consumer.

But I still shop at Wal-Mart. Does that make me an American? LOLOLOLOL.

ChinoCharles

03-23-2007, 10:13 PM

You idiot Anti-American jerk...so are the mechanics that service Toyotas, Honda's and any make here in the US....If you don't like America or Americans' go back to the hole you were crapped out of!

:eek:

So many things I want to say, but there are rules. You should try following them. Better yet, don't. You've been here for 4 days and I already can't wait until you're gone.

brickhardmeat

03-23-2007, 11:29 PM

I kinda like the simple body lines of the Aveo but it is just a Daewoo like previously posted and they do get crappy gas mileage from what I could find whle I was in the market. I bought a Yaris because it was exactly what I wanted and I didn't have to buy it with all the power stuff that -always- has problems. This was my ideal car since Volkswagen is -never- going to release the Polo here.:biggrin:

uncleyaris

03-24-2007, 12:07 AM

close this bitch

Spades

03-24-2007, 02:20 AM

wow...i didnt even realise what that guy said...it was completely off topic and didnt even have to do with anything redyaris said...LOL...that guy needs to attend less clan meetings, they are making him delusional.

back on topic, the aveo isnt even close to the yaris, even if it is cheaper...the quality isnt there. The aveo isnt a bad car, if it was I wouldn't have bought one for my wife. My point is there are better cars out there than the Aveo, and the Yaris is one of them.

Lickitung

03-24-2007, 02:36 AM

popeetheus

03-24-2007, 03:25 AM

I half-way like the 1st gen Aveo's look. Never seriously considered it due to questionable reliability and poor fuel efficiency compared to the Yaris. It's too bad, too, GM had no real replacement for the Geo Metro / Pontiac Firefly. I think some people might have overlooked some of Aveo's "quirks" if it got 50 mpg. I would have thought most people considering this class of vehicles are looking for a low-cost, fuel saving car, rather than a hot-rod, so an economical 3-banger engine would have been ok.

spkrman

03-24-2007, 04:45 AM

I did a google search for Aveo forums. These are the threads..

Newby here: Timing belt on '06...
Timing belt broke. Need valve guides!
Occasional shifting problems...
Grinding noise 2005 Aveo
Engine turns, won't start
Creeking Noise in Front End
Surging problem?

This just all from the front page of the aveo forum!
http://www.chevroletforum.com/
I don't think this is our competition.

With a 100k warranty, all of that would be taken care of. The warranty, IMO is the only appeal to the aveo...

I'd rather have a car with no warranty that doesn't need service, than a lifetime warranty on a lemon.

Moose

03-24-2007, 09:30 AM

I'd rather have a car with no warranty that doesn't need service, than a lifetime warranty on a lemon.

That's the reason I got rid of my Bimmer!

jamal1984

03-24-2007, 09:33 AM

That's the reason I got rid of my Bimmer!

Is bimmer that bad?

Moose

03-24-2007, 09:53 AM

Is bimmer that bad?

Not all- I had a 1985 325i Zinnerbot, and it was great.

My '04 545i, on the other hand, CRAP. Everything on that car broke at least once- it was all under warranty, but I was in a loaner/rental more than I was in my 545. It didn't qualify for Lemon law, but I bitched and screamed and threatened until the dealership bought it back. From what I hear, the sales manager drove it for 6 more months and then sent it to auction.

But, like I said, not all- my buddy Len has an '05 M3 with 40,000 miles and not a single problem. :iono:

redyaris

03-24-2007, 11:24 AM

Not all- I had a 1985 325i Zinnerbot, and it was great.

My '04 545i, on the other hand, CRAP. Everything on that car broke at least once- it was all under warranty, but I was in a loaner/rental more than I was in my 545. It didn't qualify for Lemon law, but I bitched and screamed and threatened until the dealership bought it back. From what I hear, the sales manager drove it for 6 more months and then sent it to auction.

But, like I said, not all- my buddy Len has an '05 M3 with 40,000 miles and not a single problem. :iono:

My wife's 05 X3 is no winner either. Tons of nagging design flaws and service from the dealer is less than spectacular. We are trying to dump the lease for a new Camry Hybrid!

forpinks

03-24-2007, 12:06 PM

I thought the Aveo is made in Korea by Hyundai in the same factory where they build the Hyundai Getz... it looks much better than a Fit:thumbsup:

ECHOKnight2000

03-24-2007, 02:19 PM

I thought the Aveo is made in Korea by Hyundai in the same factory where they build the Hyundai Getz... it looks much better than a Fit:thumbsup:

No, its made by Daewoo which is a separate Korean car company that is now owned by GM at least to my knowledge. Hyundai does own KIA, maybe you were thinking of that...:thumbsup:

seriousfun

03-25-2007, 04:51 PM

my bad news: I got rear-ended last week, and my '07 Yaris is totalled...(I'm fine, and insurance will take care of the car)

other bad news - my rental is an Aveo. The Aveo (which, in its defence, is better than the Kia I drove the last time my car was in the shop) is a piece of crap compared to the Yaris. Mileage, handling, fit 'n finish, etc.

I agree that the typical buyer for a Yaris will probably be comparing it to an Aveo or a Focus, not a Fit or Versa. The Yaris wins hands-down.

Spades

03-25-2007, 05:06 PM

well, the focus and cobalt are compacts, and the kia rio,chevy aveo,honda fit,and nissan versa are all sub compacts.

A base focus and cobalt are in the 13k+ range where I live, and the aveo,rio,and my yaris are all in the sub 11k range before dealer mark ups/delivery charges, ect.

the cobalt is lucky to hit 30+ mpg, and I used to work at a ford dealership and while the focus is said to get 30+mpg highway, its more like 25...it gets horrible milage from the people I talked to. both these cars are compacts and not in the same price range and class as the aveo and yaris.

the fit and versa from what I have seen, while sub compacts, dont get the milage or the same base price as the yaris,rio,and aveo.

P.S. the engines in the base focus and cobalt are nothing special...while the ecotec in the cobalt is said to have lots of potential with tuner parts, it is also plagued with mechanical issues, one of the reasons I sold my 05 cavalier(at 10k miles the engine refused to start when cold...after about 4 minutes of cranking it would finally fire, and the dealership could not solve the problem.) and didnt buy a cobalt or a focus...those things were always in the shop.

clayky

03-25-2007, 05:26 PM

Well in fact, the Aveo is a Daewoo - which is both Korean and owned by GM.

I dont know where the US market Aveo's are made, but the one's they're flogging around here are made in India.

The US Aveo's are all made in Korea...

clayky

03-25-2007, 05:30 PM

[QUOTE=redyaris;66324]No, we just had someone that tried to do that. He flamed me, I handled him and he is gone now. This poster btw admonishes me and others in another thread for acting like 'junior high' however. Hypocrisy at its best!

Ive also had a Nissan Maxima, a Honda Del Sol and a Volvo 850 turbo, each of which outperformed the domestic cars in every regard and went over 100K without a sweat...In fact, I wish I never sold my Honda as it was the best car I have ever owned!!!!

QUOTE]

I agree Red, I had a '94 de Sol VTEC......160 ponies, loads of fun and never a hint of a problem.

Vervepipes

03-25-2007, 11:25 PM

I bought a Yaris because it was exactly what I wanted and I didn't have to buy it with all the power stuff that -always- has problems. This was my ideal car since Volkswagen is -never- going to release the Polo here.:biggrin:

I dont know about in the states, but here VW sells it's previous generation Jetta and Golf as the City Golf and City Jetta: low cost alternatives with 4 cyl only and most dont have power options, and I think the base price is something like 13,000 CAD. They dont get near the fuel economy of the Yaris though and newer VW's are severely dealer dependant for maintenance, not to mention the heavy cost of parts...

Yaris Revenge

03-26-2007, 10:42 AM

marcus

03-26-2007, 12:02 PM

why is aveo even in here........"oh wait just want to make sure i didnt start this forum....." no i didnt.... SO! why is this even here?????????lol..

boris13

03-26-2007, 06:09 PM

This may be just a touch off topic, but have you noticed how the fuel efficiency for economy cars seems to have actually decreased across the board over the past decade? Toyota seems to be the only brand capable of really pulling off impressive mpg with a small engine anymore. The Honda Civics still have high marks, but the Fit, which you would expect to be awesome ni that department, actually gets fewer mpg. Very strange. Makes it hard to shop, when mpg and price are your two main objectives.

~YR

Well, weight is the enemy of MPG, right? It seems like the car companies are afraid to keep their cars light (think Honda CRX or Geo Metro)... they believe that Americans won't buy anything "less than substantial." So poundage is added, and MPG suffers.

nsmitchell

03-27-2007, 11:18 AM

[quote=redyaris;66324]No, we just had someone that tried to do that. He flamed me, I handled him and he is gone now. This poster btw admonishes me and others in another thread for acting like 'junior high' however. Hypocrisy at its best!

Ive also had a Nissan Maxima, a Honda Del Sol and a Volvo 850 turbo, each of which outperformed the domestic cars in every regard and went over 100K without a sweat...In fact, I wish I never sold my Honda as it was the best car I have ever owned!!!!

QUOTE]

I agree Red, I had a '94 de Sol VTEC......160 ponies, loads of fun and never a hint of a problem.

I had a '93 Del Sol Si and it ran perfectly. I sold it at around 80K. It was 10 years old... Everything worked perfectly. All I did was change the oil and brakes. It also had synthetic oil in the tranny and engine at all times. I really miss that car. :cry: