Yaris sales have completely tanked

[Kal-El]

747 units in June. Remember when the Yaris used to sell 5-6K a month regularly? Of course that was with a sedan, but still.

Here are the major competitors for June.

Ford Fiesta ...........9363
Nissan Versa.........8705
Chevrolet Sonic.....7122
Hyundai Accent.....5237
Honda Fit.............5055
Kia Rio................4169

Yaris....................747

What's going on?

[RedRide]

I'm not surprise with so many Yaris clones that have now flooded the market and the total lack of promotion of the Yaris.

I see an add on TV for a Prius etc every few minutes it seems but, I have never seen a Yaris ad anywhere.
Judging by Toyota's past promotion of cars they discontinue, the Yaris is now on their list for extinction.
For whatever corporate and/or legal reasons they never admit it publicly until the very last minute.

Their line for the Yaris, "It's a car" speaks volumes.

BTW, Toyota has been steadily loosing market share world wide for the past few years.
Yes, they still make good cars but so so do most other manufactures now.

In the US, GM is now on top with Ford second and Toyota third.
Honda and Nissan both have about 8% of the market share.
Cars listed as "others" have about the same market share as Toyota.

[ron3]

last week I was at a rural Toyota dealer in Morristown TN. They had a new 2012 yaris LE loaded also they has a new 2012 Matrix and a prius. Strange they would still have left over 2012 models.

[Superfly]

It should also be noted that Ford, GM, Hyundai, Kia, and Nissan are all offering very heavy discounts either off MSRP or through 0% financing. And the Fit is usually a good seller because it is basically a tiny van. Toyota is doing nothing for the Yaris. Nothing. Instead they are pushing Corollas, Camrys, and the like.

[edmscan]

Here in Canada .. Toyota is advertising the Yaris in a Factory sale which is offering 0% financing for 84 months.

This is the first time I have ever seen Toyota offering specials on the Yaris.

[nookandcrannycar]

747 units in June. Remember when the Yaris used to sell 5-6K a month regularly? Of course that was with a sedan, but still.

Here are the major competitors for June.

Ford Fiesta ...........9363
Nissan Versa.........8705
Chevrolet Sonic.....7122
Hyundai Accent.....5237
Honda Fit.............5055
Kia Rio................4169

Yaris....................747

What's going on?

Wow. That is stunning.

[nookandcrannycar]

I'm not surprise with so many Yaris clones that have now flooded the market and the total lack of promotion of the Yaris.

I see an add on TV for a Prius etc every few minutes it seems but, I have never seen a Yaris ad anywhere.
Judging by Toyota's past promotion of cars they discontinue, the Yaris is now on their list for extinction.
For whatever corporate and/or legal reasons they never admit it publicly until the very last minute.

Their line for the Yaris, "It's a car" speaks volumes.

BTW, Toyota has been steadily loosing market share world wide for the past few years.
Yes, they still make good cars but so so do most other manufactures now.

In the US, GM is now on top with Ford second and Toyota third.
Honda and Nissan both have about 8% of the market share.
Cars listed as "others" have about the same market share as Toyota.

I also don't think the Yaris having only an e-brochure was a very good idea.

[nookandcrannycar]

747 units in June. Remember when the Yaris used to sell 5-6K a month regularly? Of course that was with a sedan, but still.

Here are the major competitors for June.

Ford Fiesta ...........9363
Nissan Versa.........8705
Chevrolet Sonic.....7122
Hyundai Accent.....5237
Honda Fit.............5055
Kia Rio................4169

Yaris....................747

What's going on?

I also wonder if this will change the production plans (what is it, rest of 3rd Gen production in France and then a shift to mexico after that ?).

[nookandcrannycar]

It should also be noted that Ford, GM, Hyundai, Kia, and Nissan are all offering very heavy discounts either off MSRP or through 0% financing. And the Fit is usually a good seller because it is basically a tiny van. Toyota is doing nothing for the Yaris. Nothing. Instead they are pushing Corollas, Camrys, and the like.

As an example of the attitude toward manual transmissions, yesterday (IIRC) I posted the numbers re an ad on a Focus S Sedan -- $17,290 MSRP discounted to $12,388....I wonder if some dealers are offering close to as high a percentage off a Fiesta. I also wonder if this is a sign of people wanting things 'Made in the U.S.A.' for no other reason than where the manufacturing plant is located. One model of the next generation of Apple computers is going to be manufactured in the U.S.

[joshthorsc]

Does that number include units being sold to rental fleets cause I sure do see a lot of Fiestas and Versa on rental lots. However, I'm not too surprise on low sales for the Yaris. They cost almost as much as a Corolla and their competition seems to be offering more options but of course that can also be more costly. Only reason why I didn't get a Corolla was that I couldn't find a manual transmission S model.

[Septembersrain]

Weird. I've been seeing quite a few new Yaris out there lately.
I guess this car really only appeals to a certain crowd.
I do get a lot of people asking me "What kind of car is that?"

Saw someone with this car at Burger King and gave him this site.
I wore my Yarisworld T-shirt yesterday too. ^_^

[matti]

Wow! I can't believe how low Yaris sales are compared to some of the other vehicles. Of course, they don't really advertise the vehicle, but it's still a very low number in my eyes. Granted, I hadn't even heard of the Yaris until about two years ago.

[Frank Necrosis]

Sad to see the numbers so low. I notice very few of the new generation Yarii on the road.

Even the local dealer has almost no Yaris inventory, but lots of Prius's, Camrys and Corollas.

I thoroughly enjoy my Yaris. It a car. No more, no less. Manual trans, roll up windows, a basic radio with knobs and simple to use buttons. Although all this appeals to me, most people want more, a lot more. Power windows, navigation, mindless transmission, etc.

[Kal-El]

It's a car that they care very little about for the US market. They'd rather inflate Corolla numbers as much as possible which is why they didn't market a sedan variant this time around. Toyota makes at least a couple of different subcompact sedans in other markets so the car exists yet we don't have it.

Then there's the Prius C which is essentially a Yaris hybrid. Toyota much rather sell you this as well. And they are now outselling the Yaris.

This isn't good considering we're only in year #2. Toyota may run a short 4 year cycle on this one instead of 5. They need a full change from the ground up. New engine and transmission next time.

[KCALB SIRAY]

Advertising sells. No question about that. In the US, people who do not research rely on advertising to tell a story of what and what not to buy. Commercials are a big part of the daily life for Americans. Positive appealing invites are what we want. Then there are those like me or "us" that use the web to search for ideas or information of a specific car. Forums like this are both informative AND advertise the main product; that being the Yaris. So let us recap then. Commercials are few and far between and lets face it, the advertising of the Yaris on the main page shows us 7 year old versions of the car. This forum does nothing to help the sales of a great car, and it's a sad thing to see because of ownership isn't there. Kal-El is right when he says "They need a full change from the ground up. New engine and transmission next time.", but I'm afraid that ship has sailed unfortunately. Unless they can compete with amenities, they will lose every single time.

[nookandcrannycar]

I've been seeing quite a few new Yaris out there lately.

This is because there are so many savvy people in Texas :biggrin:.

[nookandcrannycar]

Advertising sells. No question about that. In the US, people who do not research rely on advertising to tell a story of what and what not to buy. Commercials are a big part of the daily life for Americans. Positive appealing invites are what we want. Then there are those like me or "us" that use the web to search for ideas or information of a specific car. Forums like this are both informative AND advertise the main product; that being the Yaris. So let us recap then. Commercials are few and far between and lets face it, the advertising of the Yaris on the main page shows us 7 year old versions of the car. This forum does nothing to help the sales of a great car, and it's a sad thing to see because of ownership isn't there. Kal-El is right when he says "They need a full change from the ground up. New engine and transmission next time.", but I'm afraid that ship has sailed unfortunately. Unless they can compete with amenities, they will lose every single time.

I wonder if Toyota waited too long to move production out of Japan...if the value of the Yen put Toyota at such a disadvantage for so long that the current Yaris sales wont recover to a level that is closer to its competitors

[tooter]

747 units in June. Remember when the Yaris used to sell 5-6K a month regularly? Of course that was with a sedan, but still.

Here are the major competitors for June.

Ford Fiesta ...........9363
Nissan Versa.........8705
Chevrolet Sonic.....7122
Hyundai Accent.....5237
Honda Fit.............5055
Kia Rio................4169

Yaris....................747

What's going on?

It's that shitty Gen 3 style change finally catching up with Toyota. :thumbdown:
Should have left it Gen 2. :laugh:

[Altitude]

This is because there are so many savvy people in Texas :biggrin:.

No. That's because all the Texas Pickup and SUV drivers have come to Colorado for the summer and thinned out the traffic in Texas. You just notice more Yarii now because all those ginormous trucks aren't around to block your view. :wink:

[junorico24]

I hope this happens in AUS.


Maybe they'll drop the price, over priced imo. Plus the competition is fun to drive. A cheap 2012 yari hell, yah!!

[nookandcrannycar]

No. That's because all the Texas Pickup and SUV drivers have come to Colorado for the summer and thinned out the traffic in Texas. You just notice more Yarii now because all those ginormous trucks aren't around to block your view. :wink:

:bellyroll:

[nookandcrannycar]

I hope this happens in AUS.


Maybe they'll drop the price, over priced imo. Plus the competition is fun to drive. A cheap 2012 yari hell, yah!!

Reliability and then overall real world MPG and value (cost per mile) = most important to me. I also like a tight turning radius. I can't see how the Yaris loses under such criteria.

[Jaris01]

Personally I don't like the newer Yaris shape and might just be me but the one I've driven feels cheaper than my 06 Yaris. I wouldn't buy one if I was buying a new car now.

[kimona]

It's that shitty Gen 3 style change finally catching up with Toyota. :thumbdown:
Should have left it Gen 2. :laugh:

Have to agree. I believe Toyota reliability is unmatched; nevertheless, the Gen 3 Yaris would be last on my list if I were shopping for a small car again.

[fnkngrv]

Commercials are few and far between and lets face it, the advertising of the Yaris on the main page shows us 7 year old versions of the car. This forum does nothing to help the sales of a great car, and it's a sad thing to see because of ownership isn't there.

+1

This site needs a massive overhaul, but the actual owners don't give two sh!ts about it. Only what little revenue it might garner which I could not imagine is much at this point because they are not doing things to keep it fresh and moving forward.

[Septembersrain]

=[ I seriously love my 2013 but it's so hard to get people to understand why I love it.
I literally have to take friends on a ride with me to get them to truly understand.
After I do that though, They get the idea of why I picked it over the competition.
I actually had a friend who owns a brand new 2013 Kia Rio compliment my car.
She said that it didn't have that feeling like it was going to "Fall apart" at 80MPH. LOL

[ron3]

I recently bought a new generation 3 Yaris this is my third yaris and I have never had a problem out of any of them. look around at other brands Kia ,Hyundai, nissan ect. that are a few years old and see how they are holding up and the cost of ownership and tell me that reliability is not the most important thing for most people.I don't care what the car editors say I will take my chance with a Toyota yaris something with a proven track record.

[RedRide]

No. That's because all the Texas Pickup and SUV drivers have come to Colorado for the summer and thinned out the traffic in Texas. You just notice more Yarii now because all those ginormous trucks aren't around to block your view. :wink:

No, no, no, they all secretly come to the great state of NY.:biggrin:

[Altitude]

No, no, no, they all secretly come to the great state of NY.:biggrin:

You get them too? Seriously, in the summer months there are probably more vehicles from Texas on our roads than there are locals.

[nookandcrannycar]

You get them too? Seriously, in the summer months there are probably more vehicles from Texas on our roads than there are locals.

I may have posted about this a couple of years ago, but this jogged a memory from my 'checking it out period' before I moved here. I was driving around Katy, TX in my Yaris (the Kelliwood and Seven Hills areas) and decided to get a snack. I pulled into the parking lot of a Kroger (IIRC) and pulled into a space. On both sides of me and in front of me were vehicles that could only be described as behemoths. IIRC, tthey were a Ford Expedition, The biggest Dodge SUV, and a Suburban. And all of them were jacked up way higher off the ground than stock. I had to laugh. I seriously put that down as a con re deciding which area to live in and did not settle in that area. In my area, well over half of the people were born outside of Texas, so that culture is not as strong -- lots of Minis, Prii, etc.

[malibuguy]

They want to sell you prius camrys and corollas...they make more money off of them. Why advertise for a car that rivals the prius in gas mileage.

It seemed like they advertised the snot out of tercels...then the echo hit...I dont remember any ads for that...shit I dont think I have ever seen an ad for the yaris. When I was shopping for mine...the 3 dealers I went to tried pushing me into a corolla. I test drove one...didnt like it and it had less back seat room for the kids. I basically wanted a new tercel and got it. Crank windows and all! Tho I still miss my '06 xB from time to time.

[bronsin]

Yep the Yaris is going the way of the ECHO at this rate.

Buy one of the last new ones or even a used one and put it up on blocks is my advice!

Im an ECHO man myself and still post on that forum in Edmunds. We get about three hits a year now.

[Kal-El]

Yep the Yaris is going the way of the ECHO at this rate.....

You may be right. I think Toyota still has a chance to save it with a significant improvement next time around. But you have to wonder if the "Yaris" nameplate is worth saving or will Toyota launch yet another one and kill "Yaris" just like Tercel and Echo. Really, I'd like them to come up with a less playful name and go with a more mature timeless name. No one says a sub-compact has to have a silly name yet they insist on it. "Echo" was one of the worst. At this point, Toyota may need a new name to grab some new attention. It all depends on whether Toyota actually wants to sell you a sub-compact.

[nookandcrannycar]

Buy one of the last new ones

put it up on blocks

If I had a bigger garage, I would do this!:biggrin: (but it would only be worth it (to me) if = one of the last ones built in Japan)

[nookandcrannycar]

They want to sell you prius camrys and corollas...they make more money off of them. Why advertise for a car that rivals the prius in gas mileage.

^^^^^ I agree. One wonders if Toyota would offer a USDM Yaris if it weren't for CAFE standards. If so, I'd think it would only be an attempt to get people 'into the Toyota fold' at the lowest possible price point.

[malibuguy]

I wonder if the evolution of the 1nz will be direct injection...more power and better gas mileage. The motor doesnt need a full redo/replacement...its excellent.

[auxmike]

I can count on one hand how many 3rd gen I've seen by me. Went to some dealers to see one, no one even has it! my guess is it's not worth stocking since theres very little margin in them+ they could steal Corolla sales. I hate the constant weird Prius ads. Theres like four versions now?
One car that looks real nice is that new Versa sedan. Saw one in starbucks parking lot. It was loaded with alloys and even fancy chromed door handles plus a rear deck spoiler....
I'm hoping parts wont dry up and become tough to find. Im talking body and trim stuff.With that said my 08 hatch is a keeper....

[ron3]

I doubt the yaris will be dropped any time soon. Something will happen and gas prices will jump up and so will yaris sales. The yaris is a very popular car in many countries.

[mirapatec]

In my area, I have yet to see very many Yaris models of any year, especially the Generation 3 models. In my town, I am unique, which is kinda cool.

My only gripe is that some people ask me if I have a Prius.

[veewonwon]

Looks like the Gen3 gets no love in the US.

But it's not that bad in the GTA (Greatest Toronto Area), I've seen quite a few around, definitely need more than my fingers and toes to keep the counts. In fact, I come across seeing at least one everyday along the 401 and 404 during usual rush hour commutes.

LEs are by far the most often seen model, and I've seen all different colours as listed on the Canadian website, like the Lagoon Blue Mica and the Wave Line Pearl. But then, I've passed by a few SEs as well, in Absolutely Red or Blizzard White. Incidentally, a neighbour lives a few hundred meters away has a SE in B.W. as well.

[bebeelo]

747 units in June. Remember when the Yaris used to sell 5-6K a month regularly? Of course that was with a sedan, but still.

Here are the major competitors for June.

Ford Fiesta ...........9363
Nissan Versa.........8705
Chevrolet Sonic.....7122
Hyundai Accent.....5237
Honda Fit.............5055
Kia Rio................4169

Yaris....................747

What's going on?

is it because our Yaris only produce 106 hp?

[Kal-El]

is it because our Yaris only produce 106 hp?

That could very well hurt it.

I think its a combination of things.

- No sedan offering
- Old 4-speed auto (when others have 6-speeds)
- The oldest engine (even though good, it's nevertheless dated)
- One of the lower EPA ratings in its class (even though most of us know real world mileage favors Yaris). People only look at EPA ratings.
- Interior still falls short in quality
- Driving dynamics seen as lacking in excitement

[bronsin]

I take it the iQ is not popular either?

[Flipper_1938]

I take it the iQ is not popular either?

SCION as a whole has suffered the past couple of years. I can't believe it still exists.

None of those monthly sales numbers that were posted are "good". For a factory to be tooled up to build cars and make money, 250,000 units a year are pretty much the minimum. A car factory running wide open should be building 400,000 cars a year. The best seller on that list is less than 120,000 a year.

[Flipper_1938]

is it because our Yaris only produce 106 hp?

No, It is the ugly assed dash in these cars.

http://0.tqn.com/d/cars/1/0/i/Z/2/ag_12yaris_intrt.JPG

[Kal-El]

^^...Compared to the best seller in the class, the Ford Fiesta.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ckhh1aped3Q/UFcttcS_C0I/AAAAAAAADDA/_tDgJSYjNkY/s1600/2013-Ford-Fiesta-Facelift-1.jpg

[yougojay]

I think it is beautiful in its simplicity - The Fiesta is cluttered and confusing, and filled with knobs and gadgets that will not work in a few years :laugh:

A girl I know at my early AM coffee stop on the way to work was telling me gas prices are supposed to jump again. Sure glad I found the Yaris with its time-proved engine/transmission combo. I'll take my 35-40 mpg anyday with this reliable little car

[ron3]

The yaris interior looks much more comfortable and user friendly. The fiesta looks busy and complicated. I really cannot imagine anyone buying a fiesta given there history for quality and reliability.:smile:

[nookandcrannycar]

I agree with Flipper, the dash has grown on me a bit, but I still think it is ugly. I also don't like the seats having a light colored insert. I like the 2nd Gen dash and seats better. I also wonder why the center speedo was such a big deal for some of the automotive press, and even owners. Having a center speedometer doesn't seem to have hurt sales of the Prius. Perhaps that is because the Prius has a digital speedometer.

[Altitude]

1st gen interior is/was the best.

[nookandcrannycar]

1st gen interior is/was the best.

Consumer reports writers definitely felt that way. I just didn't like that a hatch wasn't offered. I thought the 4-door had better styling than the 2-door, but I didn't want a 4-door at the time. I bought a new Suzuki Swift instead.

[bronsin]

Having a center speedometer doesn't seem to have hurt sales of the Prius. Perhaps that is because the Prius has a digital speedometer.

If there was ever the SLIGHTEST chance I would buy a Prius its over now! :mad:

[matti]

I must admit that I hate the Fiesta dash/controls. It's just too busy for me. To each their own, of course.

[lilu]

I bought a 2013 LE this weekend. I'm not crazy about the interior colours, but couldn't justify spending $3700 on nothing really performance related.

[Superfly]

I still think that Yaris sales are tanking because people are just upgrading their purchase once they see how affordable a larger car can be once you factor in the incredibly low financing rates and the leftover model year stock being heavily discounted. When I bought my Yaris, I could have bought a Corolla for lesser payments each month. Same thing could be said about the Chevys I was looking at. I could have bought a Cruze for less than a subcompact Sonic.

On top of that, Toyota's Prius C is no doubt eating Yaris sales too. I just don't see the Yaris rebounding in the US, especially when the competitors are pimping all the in-cabin technology/turbo-charged engines in their subcompacts.

[bronsin]

I think it is beautiful in its simplicity - The Fiesta is cluttered and confusing, and filled with knobs and gadgets that will not work in a few years :laugh:

A girl I know at my early AM coffee stop on the way to work was telling me gas prices are supposed to jump again. Sure glad I found the Yaris with its time-proved engine/transmission combo. I'll take my 35-40 mpg anyday with this reliable little car


They look the same to me! :iono:

[bronsin]

Gas in NJ was $3.23 a week ago. :headbang:

Today its $3.49! :eek:

[Flipper_1938]

The people who know the truth will cherish the japaneese built Yaris.

My wife bought a corrola in 05 because it was bigger than my 01 Echo.

The corrola was designed more like an american car (ease of assembly by big, fat hands and cheaper metal stamping dies). After a couple of years, the interior looked like a 5 year old american car....unlike my echo. Her car also developed rattles that the echo didn't. Four years older and 150,000 more miles...my jap built echo was a better car.

[Absolutely Red 12]

Gas in NJ was $3.23 a week ago. :headbang:

Today its $3.49! :eek:

Ha!!
It's $4.09 here in Los Angeles!!

[nookandcrannycar]

Gas in NJ was $3.23 a week ago. :headbang:

Today its $3.49! :eek:

I paid $3.26 today, but there is quite a spread throughout the metro. Gasbuddy.com is my friend :smile:.

[nookandcrannycar]

The people who know the truth will cherish the japaneese built Yaris.

My wife bought a corrola in 05 because it was bigger than my 01 Echo.

The corrola was designed more like an american car (ease of assembly by big, fat hands and cheaper metal stamping dies). After a couple of years, the interior looked like a 5 year old american car....unlike my echo. Her car also developed rattles that the echo didn't. Four years older and 150,000 more miles...my jap built echo was a better car.

This is very interesting. Thank you for posting this.

[nookandcrannycar]

Ha!!
It's $4.09 here in Los Angeles!!

I miss some things, but I can't say that I miss that! :biggrin:

[bronsin]

Four years older and 150,000 more miles...my jap built echo was a better car.

The ECHO was the best small car ever built in so many ways. :bow:

Too bad most of them are ten years old or older now..... :cry:

[Septembersrain]

I am so glad I got one made in Japan. ^___^
I'm going to have a ton of stress finding another one after this.
So I'm spoiling the crap out of her, So I can keep her for decades!

[Onwrdigo]

My colleague (due to a growing family) just got rid of his 2002 Red 2-door Echo for a used Mazda 6 Wagon.

He said he only had 110,000 on the Echo and it was "flawless". He really misses it and wishes he could have figured a way to keep it.

[yougojay]

Gas in NJ was $3.23 a week ago. :headbang:

Today its $3.49! :eek:


Me no miss me 2003 Trailblazer, no...nooooooooooo :biggrin:

[Kal-El]

He said he only had 110,000 on the Echo and it was "flawless". He really misses it and wishes he could have figured a way to keep it.

With 142,000 miles on my Yaris, it is also flawless aside from a couple of small dings. If my odometer was "rolled back" to 20,000, it would be believable after driving it and inspecting it. I'm sure many can say the same.

[Kal-El]

You know what's bad, is that the Smart ForTwo actually outsold the Yaris, for the first time. The nearly useless Smart car which doesn't even do all that well in fuel efficiency considering its size.

And also, the tiny Chevy Spark sold 4 times more than Yaris. How???? It's also overpriced for what you get and not much more efficient either.

[tk1971]

The people who know the truth will cherish the japaneese built Yaris.

My wife bought a corrola in 05 because it was bigger than my 01 Echo.

The corrola was designed more like an american car (ease of assembly by big, fat hands and cheaper metal stamping dies). After a couple of years, the interior looked like a 5 year old american car....unlike my echo. Her car also developed rattles that the echo didn't. Four years older and 150,000 more miles...my jap built echo was a better car.

This, +1.

After my mom wrecked her brand new Versa in 2012, she wanted a Yaris sedan (exactly like her rental, while the insurance did its thing to pay up).

The sedan version of the Yaris went away after 2011, so she bought a 1 year old Yaris sedan (made in Japan) for more than what the same year Corolla costs on the certified pre-owned lot. The Corolla was bigger and had less miles. After test driving both cars, she still chose the Yaris.

[mirapatec]

Just driving by my local Toyota dealership, I noticed they had NO Yaris models at all on their lot. Maybe lack of product equals lack of sales.

[Flipper_1938]

This, +1.

After my mom wrecked her brand new Versa in 2012, she wanted a Yaris sedan (exactly like her rental, while the insurance did its thing to pay up).

The sedan version of the Yaris went away after 2011, so she bought a 1 year old Yaris sedan (made in Japan) for more than what the same year Corolla costs on the certified pre-owned lot. The Corolla was bigger and had less miles. After test driving both cars, she still chose the Yaris.

You have a smart mom!

[Onwrdigo]

None of the dealers in my area have any Yaris' for sale either. I did manage to find two exact 2013 L Coupe's for sale buried in-between two dozen Prius C's. And "yes", all of the dealers are loaded-up with Prius C's for sale. I think I know where Toyota is putting the emphasis.

So they take the little forgotten Yaris and ship it off to "France" for 2014 production, causing a breach in car-stock on the dealer lots because they figure not many consumers want them. They can save some money building them cheaper in France. Because "just maybe" the quality does not have to be quite as good as the Japanese built one we on this forum all have? They probably do not expect to sell many at all and will not risk big warranty claims as they advertise the hell outta the Prius brand including the "C". I have not seen a Yaris TV ad in over a year or longer. I see 4-5 Prius ad's a night. I wonder why they just did not just kill it off now and let the "C" do the work for awhile and wait for the 4th Generation Yaris re-design by Mexico Mazda?

I have a feeling this third generation of ours is going to be the "lost child" compared to the Echo, Gen II Yaris and the Mexico-Mazda-Built 4th Generation Yaris coming in late 2015 leaving our 2012-2015's kinda rare....I'm actually "cool" with that. I like being the one who drive's a rare underdog that is actually a "very" cool car in everything it does!

I wonder how many Prius C owners know they are actually buying a re-bodied Yaris with hybrid power added to our same exact engine and chasis?? :iono:

I would love to have those alloy wheels off of the Prius C on my Yaris though!
But I am not crazy about that look of the "C" anymore. I liked it at first, but now, it leaves me kinda cold. I think the Yaris is a much better looking design. I may not be getting 50mpg, but I also saved $4,500 (plus interest) "up front" by not buying the Prius C either. Takes a while to re-coup that in gas.

Gonna be interesting to see where Toyota takes this. Cause I will say this; I will "not" be buying a French or Mexican made car "ever" regardless of who builds it. Look at the facts, the Yaris, xD and xB are the only non-hybrid Toyota's who have been bullet-proof over the last many years of any Toyota sold recently and the only one's solely built in Japan (well, with a couple of exceptions here and there...but few).

[Flipper_1938]

I wouldn't mind having a "C" sedan. I think it would look pretty nice.

[mirapatec]

If the Prius C came in a two-door hatch, I would probably consider it. However, my current Yaris gets "almost" the same fuel efficiency at a much lower initial purchase price. Plus, I have a two-door hatch, which is somewhat rare everywhere these days. I consider this a win-win all the way around.

[Kaotic Lazagna]

I easily get double the gas mileage when I drive my bro's C compared to my Vios (which I do some moderately advanced hypermiling techniques in). 70-85 mpg > my 36-40 mpg (now). lol

[Kal-El]

I think the Prius C is a great car. My main complaint is the tail lights - just very odd looking and over sized. It's certainly the best city car you can buy. My local Dominoes uses a C with it completely covered in branding. Now that's how you deliver pizza! Ideal for stop and go city cruising.

If I was to buy a Prius though, I do prefer the standard liftback Prius. Just as good or better highway mileage in a bigger, better looking car.

[Kal-El]

So from what people have noticed, it appears low Yaris sales are in many ways a result of dealers refusing to stock them. You walk into a Toyota dealership and instead leave with a Corolla or Prius C which is the idea. Oh well...

[Flipper_1938]

So from what people have noticed, it appears low Yaris sales are in many ways a result of dealers refusing to stock them. You walk into a Toyota dealership and instead leave with a Corolla or Prius C which is the idea. Oh well...

Same as with the Echo....they made more selling a Corolla.

[Septembersrain]

I had to practically twist their arm to get my Yaris.
They tried to push me into the Corolla.
I was also pushed into the Scion xD.
I wanted the Yaris. I had it as a rental and fell in love.

[Flipper_1938]

Even with how hard it was to buy one...there are quite a few Yaris sedans in my area. I probably see 10-15 of them a day.

[mirapatec]

I think the guys at my dealership were shocked that I was actually interested in the Yaris. They were probably happy to have "unloaded" it on me. ;-)

[Kaotic Lazagna]

I think the Prius C is a great car. My main complaint is the tail lights - just very odd looking and over sized. It's certainly the best city car you can buy. My local Dominoes uses a C with it completely covered in branding. Now that's how you deliver pizza! Ideal for stop and go city cruising.

If I was to buy a Prius though, I do prefer the standard liftback Prius. Just as good or better highway mileage in a bigger, better looking car.

With my sister's Prius LB, I got about 70-75 mpg 90/10 hwy/city with some traffic and hills (yes, my family has two Prius C and one Prius LB :laugh:). I have yet to drive the Prius C that much on the freeway :tongue:

But I do agree that the taillights are a tad bit too big. hahaha

[junorico24]

Well, here in Aus. The new corolla is everywhere. It makes sense.It's probably because Toyota are targeting costumers with families. Yaris is small and would suit students and young people. We know that some students that have money would more than likely go for sport cars than a Yaris.They want something with street credentials. Anyway, for the budget conscious people the Yaris is ideal.But that's people with less money to spend on brand new cars which means they don't make as much money selling a Yaris but the corolla makes more money for the manufacturer.Plus the Corolla is popular with buyers it's a bigger better car.


Top 10 cars

1 Toyota Corolla (3504)

2 Toyota Hilux (2932)

3 Mazda3 (2842)

4 Holden Cruze (2290)

5 Hyundai i30 (2150)

6 Nissan Navara (1953)

7 Ford Ranger (1683)

8 Ford Focus (1670)

9 Holden Captiva (1620)

10 Toyota Camry (1617

[Kaotic Lazagna]

Actually, when my bro test drove a Corolla, the interior space was not that much more than my sedan. In fact, rear leg space was the same, front leg space slightly more, and the trunk actually felt smaller than mine. lol. I never looked at specs sheets to see the "real" differences, but "real world" didn't impress me much. With that said, they don't even sell the sedan anymore. hahaha

[Septembersrain]

I was about to attempt to test drive a Corolla right?
Then I sat in it and I was like.. "I suddenly feel like a soccer mom".

That was it for me entertaining that idea.

[nookandcrannycar]

I was about to attempt to test drive a Corolla right?
Then I sat in it and I was like.. "I suddenly feel like a soccer mom".

That was it for me entertaining that idea.

:bellyroll:

[Kal-El]

Well, here in Aus. The new corolla is everywhere. It makes sense.It's probably because Toyota are targeting costumers with families. Yaris is small and would suit students and young people. We know that some students that have money would more than likely go for sport cars than a Yaris.They want something with street credentials. Anyway, for the budget conscious people the Yaris is ideal.But that's people with less money to spend on brand new cars which means they don't make as much money selling a Yaris but the corolla makes more money for the manufacturer.Plus the Corolla is popular with buyers it's a bigger better car.


Top 10 cars

1 Toyota Corolla (3504)

2 Toyota Hilux (2932)

3 Mazda3 (2842)

4 Holden Cruze (2290)

5 Hyundai i30 (2150)

6 Nissan Navara (1953)

7 Ford Ranger (1683)

8 Ford Focus (1670)

9 Holden Captiva (1620)

10 Toyota Camry (1617

Always interesting to see the market differencs around the world. Every market is completely different. Best sellers in one country aren't even sold in another. Weird. I can see why economics, gas prices, and government policy changes demand for certain models but I wonder why consumer tastes are so different. Automakers even have to tailor different styling of the same model to different markets.

Check out the USA's top 10 just for June. Notice it's mostly large trucks and mid-size sedans compared to other markets dominated by small cars/trucks. The Ford F-Series numbers continue to be ridiculous. It sells more in the US than all cars combined in many/most countries.

http://blogs.cars.com/.a/6a00d83451b3c669e20192abd54f27970d-800wi

[nookandcrannycar]

The Yaris Towing 1000 lbs? thread (and more specifically the Herbie's World tour link) prompted me to search re quite a few different possibilities.

One search unearthed a trailer that pops open into a tent. This trailer can even be towed by a motorcycle. One of these searches led me to type 'Prius RV' and I found the site sueanneonline.blogspot.com. I read one or two of her pages, and the most interesting thing I uncovered is that the Prius (because it is a hybrid, and re how the Toyota hybrid system works) can be used as a sort of climate controlled tent (IF you find the natural climate to be too hot or too cold. Sue Anne describes what can be done -- set the climate control (engine off) to the desired temperature and go to sleep. When the battery drains enough to need the engine, the car starts without any driver input and then runs only 4 minutes out of every half hour to keep the climate system working. The great thing is, IMO, having such a portable climate controlled environment to doze off in....near a beach....way up in the mountains.....out in the desert....IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE....NEARLY ANYWHERE close to a paved road. This really appeals to me. I ended up saving more of her pages.

Weeks later, I returned to this subject and read just a bit more of her blog. She keeps her bed as a permanent fixture when traveling (it isn't inflatable). That is too conspicuous to suit me. I started looking at what some other people had come up with. One guy on You Tube took a brand new Prius V and removed the rear seats. He then built strong reinforced boxes (with lids) that level the load area and bolt in the same way the seats are anchored and in the same location. He also constructed an easily removable platform (one each for driver and passenger sides) that extend from the edge of each box to the back of each front seat. His set up appealed to me more than Sue Anne's because his solution keeps 'everything behind the front seats' and can be covered by a tarp or something similar. Humans can adapt pretty easily and also easily communicate (with words) their displeasure to other humans. Given this, one might ask why the owner would go to such lengths to create a bed for himself and his wife (for camping trips). The answer is that he also created it for year round comfort for their 100 pound dog !

I then looked into how well a Prius V would fit in my garage (given the other items I need to house there), and it would be, by just a bit, too tight a fit to utilize in a comfortable manner. Plus, the standard Prius has better fuel economy than the Prius V. The standard Prius also can utilize a Habitent (designed for the standard Prius, fits on the Honda Insight, and doesn't fit on the Prius V or the Prius C), I started searching for solutions that would allow the use of the standard Prius.

I eventually found another website where someone had taken the 'extending the platform to the back of the front seat concept' that the Prius V owner had utilized and applied it to a standard Prius. Yet another Prius owner (in the comments on that STANDARD Prius owner's site) wrote that he had accomplished the same thing by filling up the rear passenger footwell with a backpack (and other things already in the car) and then putting a particular inflatable Coleman mattress on top of that. I thought THAT is the solution I prefer.

A few days ago I was reading more of the saved pages from sueanneonline.blogspot.com and noticed (in the comments) THAT THE GIRL FROM THE HERBIE'S WORLD TOUR couple had posted a comment!

I still have a fair amount of non camping 'Yaris Travel' that I want to do. I plan to keep my Yaris as a DD until it has (probably) between 375,000 and 400,000 miles on the odometer. There is quite a bit of development going on in my area right now (and into the near future). This development should play itself out by the time I get to that mileage level with my Yaris. If I don't end up liking the effects of the coming development, I'll likely sell my house and buy one closer to Lake Conroe (with more garage space.....enough for the Yaris as a non DD :smile:, and more storage), and buy a standard Prius. If I decide to keep my house, I'll likely still get a standard Prius and will have to come up with some other solution re storing my Yaris. I can't stand the thought of no longer owning a manual transmission car (and especially one that has served me so well), even if I'm no longer using it as a DD! :smile:

[nookandcrannycar]

Always interesting to see the market differencs around the world. Every market is completely different. Best sellers in one country aren't even sold in another. Weird. I can see why economics, gas prices, and government policy changes demand for certain models but I wonder why consumer tastes are so different. Automakers even have to tailor different styling of the same model to different markets.

Check out the USA's top 10 just for June. Notice it's mostly large trucks and mid-size sedans compared to other markets dominated by small cars/trucks. The Ford F-Series numbers continue to be ridiculous. It sells more in the US than all cars combined in many/most countries.

http://blogs.cars.com/.a/6a00d83451b3c669e20192abd54f27970d-800wi

Definitely regional differences....and international differences. I'd guess there's (overall) less available public transportation here in in what people on the East and West Coasts call 'flyover country'.....more need to drive...and more rural drivers...more need (or at least a perceived need :biggrin:) for pickup trucks...hence the F-series and Silverado popularity.

On a recent holiday weekend, I saw a dealer ad in the Houston Chronicle for a new 2013 standard Prius Two for $20,300 + destination + T & L. That's $3900.00 off the factory sticker. I also saw other Prius ads mentioning 'plenty in stock' re the standard Prius...some ads giving the number to choose from. I don't remember either of these scenarios ever being the case in the SF Bay Area, but that might have changed.

[Hershey]

Big vehicles are the craze in this area . :thumbdown:

[jonoe]

They should have left it like it was
got more storage in my 2007 then new car
I also liked the gages in the center

[thebarber]

Im a little late to the discussion, but:

1. Americans don't like hatchbacks
2. The yaris uses the same (essentially) powertrain that was in the echo in 2000MY

[Shinare]

Simple answer: more/actual competition in the subcompact class.

[roxy1]

Im a little late to the discussion, but:

1. Americans don't like hatchbacks
2. The yaris uses the same (essentially) powertrain that was in the echo in 2000MY

id go more with the yaris being a really bland design, boring to drive, and still (imo) having the cheapest and noisiest interior of anything in its class.

Americans are buying plenty of hatchbacks. the Honda fit is selling 4500-5000+ per month and it is in need of an update. the tiny fiat 500 has been selling around 4000 per month and that is with a tiny dealer network (about 130 dealers in the whole country).

the reliability gap between the least reliable cars and most reliable cars has closed dramatically so the yaris being reliable isn't enough.

[roxy1]

Simple answer: more/actual competition in the subcompact class.

pretty much. yes.

15 years ago we had very few quality choices in the subcompact class, especially hatchbacks. now I can go buy a fit, versa, accent, fiesta, yaris, sonic...or if I want to go smaller a 500 or a mini.....and im not going to worry that it will be a rustbucket POS in 5-6 years.

choice is good...for us.

[Flipper_1938]

id go more with the yaris being a really bland design, boring to drive, and still (imo) having the cheapest and noisiest interior of anything in its class.

Americans are buying plenty of hatchbacks. the Honda fit is selling 4500-5000+ per month and it is in need of an update. the tiny fiat 500 has been selling around 4000 per month and that is with a tiny dealer network (about 130 dealers in the whole country).

the reliability gap between the least reliable cars and most reliable cars has closed dramatically so the yaris being reliable isn't enough.

4,000-5,000 per month sales...SUCKS!

That is only like 10 shifts worth of production from a large car factory on the manufacturing end. (3 shifts x 6 days a week x 4 weeks = 72 shifts a month in a busy plant)

On the sales end, that can't be many sales for each dealer in the coutry....hard to pay the mortgage on the dealership with those kind of numbers.

[junorico24]

pretty much. yes.

15 years ago we had very few quality choices in the subcompact class, especially hatchbacks. now I can go buy a fit, versa, accent, fiesta, yaris, sonic...or if I want to go smaller a 500 or a mini.....and im not going to worry that it will be a rustbucket POS in 5-6 years.

choice is good...for us.

THIS...

Kia Rios are selling like hot cakes right now.Ford fiesta is continuing to sell.Mazda 2, not so much.But from what I see.There is a hell a lot of Mazda 3,Toyota Corollas, Ford Focus and SUV everywhere.Mid to large vehicles. Maybe people still view roomier and bigger cars as a better option. And like you said there's always something newer and better every time.
:bonk:

[bronsin]

I would not call a Ford Focus or Fiesta a quality choice! :barf:

But I would go look at them!

[Flipper_1938]

I would not call a Ford Focus or Fiesta a quality choice! :barf:

But I would go look at them!

By JD Powers definitions they are a "quality" choice.

"Quality" is a word to describe the first 30 days.

"Reliability" is the word to describe the rest of the vehicles life.

The Yaris does not have superior quality, it has superior reliability.

The game playing by marketing/advertising guys is almost criminal in my opinion.

[kuessemir]

I am new to the Yaris scene; however, may I say that I recently rented a 2012 LE and there were a few dissappointing aspects.

Things I liked:
The seat fit my back better
The interior finishing was more pleasing (textures and colors)
Rear seat room and flat floor
Excellant visibility
There was a spare tire

Things that dissappointed me:
The automatic's droning and laziness is a severe letdown. It was sloppy, unrefined, and required inconsistent throttle input
No rear seat light (headliner lamp)
Automatic fuel economy never surpassed an average of 31.7 with mostly highway
Lack of interior storage compartments
Ugly aftermarket look-alike stereo with digits unreadable in sun

Now, I know some of these things are subjective, but I feel these are not huge aspects to address in order to increase Yari level of competitiveness.

Is there a forum that would be more appropriate for this type of evaluation? Do you think any of these aspects may be impacting sales #s? What are your thoughts?

[roxy1]

4,000-5,000 per month sales...SUCKS!

.

not for models that do not occupy the main production focus...which are the compacts and midsized car. ie corolla/camry, civic/accord, fiesta/fusion. those cars take up a dramatically more production resources. every model cant sell 25,000+ units per month.

American are buying more subcompacts than ever, and much of that is increased choices and amenities in small cars.

[bronsin]

I am new to the Yaris scene; however, may I say that I recently rented a 2012 LE and there were a few dissappointing aspects.

Things I liked:
The seat fit my back better
The interior finishing was more pleasing (textures and colors)
Rear seat room and flat floor
Excellant visibility
There was a spare tire

Things that dissappointed me:
The automatic's droning and laziness is a severe letdown. It was sloppy, unrefined, and required inconsistent throttle input
No rear seat light (headliner lamp)
Automatic fuel economy never surpassed an average of 31.7 with mostly highway
Lack of interior storage compartments
Ugly aftermarket look-alike stereo with digits unreadable in sun

Now, I know some of these things are subjective, but I feel these are not huge aspects to address in order to increase Yari level of competitiveness.

Is there a forum that would be more appropriate for this type of evaluation? Do you think any of these aspects may be impacting sales #s? What are your thoughts?

31.7 mpg with an auto on the hiway definately not impressive. But also highly unusual for this car.

I LOVE the stereo sound in my Yaris but also note the unreadable digits.

I have no problem with my automatic transmission. Perhaps something was wrong with yours?

I put the Yaris tumbling sales down to the fact that the vast percentage of the car buying public are morons! :thumbsup:

[Flipper_1938]

not for models that do not occupy the main production focus...which are the compacts and midsized car. ie corolla/camry, civic/accord, fiesta/fusion. those cars take up a dramatically more production resources. every model cant sell 25,000+ units per month.

American are buying more subcompacts than ever, and much of that is increased choices and amenities in small cars.

Actually, smaller cars need more volume to make money since there is not as much profit built into the price of the car. The car still requires the same amount of tooling to manufacture the car (same number of unique stamping dies required to stamp out panels). Flexible weld cells can help spread assembly equipment costs to other vehicles, but nobody is making any money on small cars at these volumes.

[Altitude]

Americans are buying plenty of hatchbacks. the Honda fit is selling 4500-5000+ per month and it is in need of an update.

The Fit isn't a hatchback. It's a mini-minivan.

[kuessemir]

31.7 mpg with an auto on the hiway definately not impressive. But also highly unusual for this car.

I LOVE the stereo sound in my Yaris but also note the unreadable digits.

I have no problem with my automatic transmission. Perhaps something was wrong with yours?

I put the Yaris tumbling sales down to the fact that the vast percentage of the car buying public are morons! :thumbsup:


You may be right about there possibly having been a problem with it...I mean it was a rental car afterall. Also, I tend to agree with you about the "morons" part, hehe. Well, I'm glad you're enjoying your car. I dont believe these aspects would put me off from purchasing one, I would still feel mich more confident with my purchase than with, say, a chevy spark.

[nookandcrannycar]

always something newer and better every time.

Better = In the eye of the beholder.

[nookandcrannycar]

By JD Powers definitions they are a "quality" choice.

"Quality" is a word to describe the first 30 days.

"Reliability" is the word to describe the rest of the vehicles life.

The Yaris does not have superior quality, it has superior reliability.

The game playing by marketing/advertising guys is almost criminal in my opinion.

^^^^^ This

[bronsin]

You may be right about there possibly having been a problem with it...I mean it was a rental car afterall. Also, I tend to agree with you about the "morons" part, hehe. Well, I'm glad you're enjoying your car. I dont believe these aspects would put me off from purchasing one, I would still feel mich more confident with my purchase than with, say, a chevy spark.

Yes a balky transmission would explain the mpg. Although even in a rental it should work! :biggrin:

If my water pump leaks again I swear Im going to Mazda! :cool:

Are you listening Toyota? :iono:

[roxy1]

Actually, smaller cars need more volume to make money since there is not as much profit built into the price of the car. The car still requires the same amount of tooling to manufacture the car (same number of unique stamping dies required to stamp out panels). Flexible weld cells can help spread assembly equipment costs to other vehicles, but nobody is making any money on small cars at these volumes.

true, subcompacts make much less profit for the automakers, but they make some money. for some its about building the brand and meeting certain standards. as attitudes shift, most of the automakers are well prepared to take on the ever increasing demand for these smaller cars.

Toyota is one of the few that seems to have lost interest in this segment.

[Flipper_1938]

true, subcompacts make much less profit for the automakers, but they make some money. for some its about building the brand and meeting certain standards. as attitudes shift, most of the automakers are well prepared to take on the ever increasing demand for these smaller cars.

Toyota is one of the few that seems to have lost interest in this segment.

They only make SOME money if the factory is running efficiently. If the factory (tooling and labor) was running at 100%, they can make some money. If the tooling is only being utilized 20% or so, they aren't making money.

FYI... I have worked in the auto industry for 20 years.

[yougojay]

4,000-5,000 per month sales...SUCKS

No, 747 units a month SUCKS - 4,000-5,000 units is great, especially nowadays when everyone is BROKE & the economy is garbage.

[yougojay]

The Fit isn't a hatchback. It's a mini-minivan.

Exactly! I looked at the Fit, it was exactly a mini-minivan & I could not stand it.

I REALLY wanted to see a Scion iQ in person when I went to the Toyota/Scion dealer where I ended up buying.
They had ONE iQ that was there for 200 & something days, they finally sold it. I also wanted to see a Yaris there, they had ONE 5 door in Black Sand Pearl - I was pretty set on getting a Toyota by this point.

I am glad the iQ was gone, was looking at the cute factor, but as I thought about it was not keen on NO spare (that could be taken care of, tho) The CVT Transmission seemed iffy, but I am easy on cars...hmmmm

I was dead-set on fuel economy & a reliable point A to point B car. We walked over to the Yaris and the salesguy got the key. Looked it over for quite awhile, saw how easy it was to change the oil & tranny fluid, filters, etc. Really loved the simple interior and especially the dash - the seats were/are great. Test drove it a bit, yeah, this will work.
I realized this is a decent sized small car, sheesh, I wonder how small the iQ would have looked compared to this? I was hooked, lets get a red 2 door automatic basic 'L' model, perfect!

He got a 3 door coupe in absolute red from another dealer in NC, and we picked up the car in 2 days.

The more I drove it the more I fell in mad love with this little car. I had read about the proven engine/transmission combo on this car, it was a Toyota, it will be awesome.
I joined the forum here the day we decided to get it, my birthday April 9 :biggrin: and the more I read here, the more I knew it was the right decision :headbang:

We looked at a Fiesta, read about all these problems it had - big turn-off
I love the looks of the new Fiat 500, but it's a FIAT. Went to the Fiat 500 forums on the web & sure enough - problem after problem after problem!
Electrical issues, paint issues - no way, not getting sucked into this car with the fun to drive cute factor that will hit me.
I am sure a lot of folks have had good luck with their 500s, that is great, not going to take that chance here.

VERY glad we got this Made in Japan Toyota Yaris. I am not concerned whatsoever aboth the decision - it will last forever. The way it runs:headbang:the way the controls work:headbang:the way it shifts:headbang:the way it engine brakes:headbang:the way the wiper works:headbang:the way the stereo jams:headbang:

Seriously thinking about getting a 2nd 2013 Coupe as a 'spare' before it's too late!

[Septembersrain]

I test drove way too many cars.
I was sick to death with them.
I thought I'd never find one I really liked.
One that I liked AND that was reliable that is.

Then got a Yaris as a rental while my Kia was in the shop.. A G A I N.

and I was hooked.
Seriously, I love this car.

Only other one I genuinely liked was the Scion xD.
Until I noticed it had no way to adjust the driver seat.
Yesterday, I saw a really short ladies head barely peeking over her dash board in an xD.
That's when I realized... I was really glad I got the Yaris instead.

Edit: I laughed really.. REALLY hard at that lady. More than I should of probably. XD <--- Now I understand.

[gollygirl1]

I like the simplicy of the Yaris - I got the 2013 YR model - so I don't have cruise control etc - or the GPS but I felt I don't really need those features anyway - I am still old school and carry a referdex in the boot or google addresses/directions.

I would have liked Alloy wheels though.

But overall I like the look of the dash as it is clean and uncluttered. And the fuel economy is amazing - that in itself is worth the switch from a bigger car to this for me.

It is a pretty spunky little car to own.

[bronsin]

Alloy wheels are nice until you dent one then have to pay $400 for a single new one!

I got a steel wheel for my sons ECHO for $35 brand new a few years ago and they can be had in junk yards for less than that.

They go round and round just like alloys amazing!

[bronsin]

I like the simplicy of the Yaris - I got the 2013 YR model - so I don't have cruise control etc -

Cruise control is built into the cars computer. All you need to do for cc is add the stalk. On my 2009 you can add cc for ten dollors for resistors and switches.

Do a search or perhaps someone will put you on to the information.

I am too old to know how to search.

[Kal-El]

Alloy wheels are nice until you dent one then have to pay $400 for a single new one!


Screw factory alloys, better to buy aftermarkets anyway. You can buy a whole set of 4 for less than $400. Much better looking and unique.

[gollygirl1]

Alloy wheels are nice until you dent one then have to pay $400 for a single new one!

I got a steel wheel for my sons ECHO for $35 brand new a few years ago and they can be had in junk yards for less than that.

They go round and round just like alloys amazing!

Thank you - very good point and why I just went with the standard ones - at least I wont cry if it gets damaged.
I had Viper Mags on my Honda and they did look pretty awesome - but I brought the car 2nd hand with those on - I just think they look nice.
But you are right - when the car is moving - no-one can tell what is on the wheels :clap:

[gollygirl1]

Screw factory alloys, better to buy aftermarkets anyway. You can buy a whole set of 4 for less than $400. Much better looking and unique.


Yes, this was suggested to me by a staff member at Toyota - he said you can get way "cooler" alloys aftermarket from tyre specialists. I might look in to it one day.

As far as cruise control goes - well I am not going to add that, I never had it before so I can live without it. :thumbup:

[Kal-El]

July Yaris sales: 1,759.

Well, it's better than the Yaris's worst month (June) of 747. But, it's still poor and bottom of the pack.

[El Kapitan]

747 units in June. Remember when the Yaris used to sell 5-6K a month regularly? Of course that was with a sedan, but still.

Here are the major competitors for June.

Ford Fiesta ...........9363
Nissan Versa.........8705
Chevrolet Sonic.....7122
Hyundai Accent.....5237
Honda Fit.............5055
Kia Rio................4169

Yaris....................747

What's going on?

i could never accept the ugly front end and ugly center console area of the fiesta and now... ford has changed both of them. the front ends of the new fiestas look great. a huge improvement.