rear beam question: one wheels sticks out more

[DINOeggxo]

i don't know if this has been covered or not but:

has anyone else who is super low notice that the rear beam appears to not be even on each side? one wheel seems to stick out 1/4-1/2 inch more on one side than the other.

am i the only one? is there a way to even it out?

[tk-421]

This seems to be a common issue on the 2nd gen Yaris. I have rear spacers and the passenger one sticks out a bit more (enough to rub the tire against the wheel well).

The only way for me to fix it is by replacing it for a slimmer one, but I've been putting it off for years. :redface:

[sasquatch]

Which car has a slimmer beam that would bolt in?

[yarisugi]

I don't think it's fixable. It came from factory this way.
The rear right sticks out about 1/4~1/2" on mine as well.
The only way to make it aesthetically balanced is to put a 3~5mm shim on the left side. Weird, I know.

[1.5]

I dont notice it on my sedan. Mine look to poke evenly and if anything, my driver side rubs more but i think that is due to weight distribution and seat position. Ive heard this for years with the hatch tho

[CTScott]

The body of the car, not the beam is the cause of the liftback. For some odd reason the left side pocket for the beam pivot mount is 13 mm further in than the one on the right side. So, the right side wheel sticks out 13mm further than the left side. Using a 15mm Penguin hub space on just the left side makes them about as close as you can get to even.

[mazilla]

HAHA! I thought it was my bumper...I feel better now.

[WeeYari]

So, the right side wheel sticks out 13mm further than the left side.

That much! I always thought it was ~5mm.

I'm running 10mm spacers on both sides with the right side rub driving me nuts when vehicle is semi-weighted down. Guess I should remove right side spacer and be close to equal on both sides then.

[cali yaris]

We should sell a 5m/10mm Yaris spacer combo. :wink:

[Mz3oh5]

How low is your car? 2 inch drop all around??

--- Isabella

[WeeYari]

We should sell a 5m/10mm Yaris spacer combo. :wink:

LOL, I proposed that years ago and you baulked at me :wink:

[1.5]

How low is your car? 2 inch drop all around??

--- Isabella

being that she is bagged, she is laying frame on the ground, i think its a lot more than 2"

[sasquatch]

Dang, we were hoping to even it out somehow. Drivers side sits perfect, if only we could bring the pass side in a little!

[Mz3oh5]

WTH!! I plan on dropping mine to a 1.9 all around, but I'm afraid I will regret it later.

[jpmck03]

We should sell a 5m/10mm Yaris spacer combo. :wink:

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[sasquatch]

WTH!! I plan on dropping mine to a 1.9 all around, but I'm afraid I will regret it later.

You won't have a problem unless you're running wide rear wheels that poke it are close to poking. Dinos rear wheels are 15x8.5" with a offset (I think) of +10.

However her car is bagged so she just lifts the rear more so it doesn't rub

[1.5]

WTH!! I plan on dropping mine to a 1.9 all around, but I'm afraid I will regret it later.

Why would you regret it?

You won't have a problem unless you're running wide rear wheels that poke it are close to poking. Dinos rear wheels are 15x8.5" with a offset (I think) of +10.

However her car is bagged so she just lifts the rear more so it doesn't rub

lol its as easy as that huh ^ lol

[Flipper_1938]

Dang, we were hoping to even it out somehow. Drivers side sits perfect, if only we could bring the pass side in a little!

Order a -5mm spacer :rolleyes:

[1.5]

lol take a torch to the existing hub and shave some down lol

[sasquatch]

Order a -5mm spacer :rolleyes:

If only it were that easy :(




lol its as easy as that huh ^ lol

Well for Her it is haha, you've got all that camber to fit yours :)

[1.5]

Well for Her it is haha, you've got all that camber to fit yours :)[/QUOTE]

lol you say bags I say camber lol potato tomato

[sasquatch]

^^ haha much love for the camber.

[Mz3oh5]

Sounds like camber issues!! You need Camber bolts.

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^^^ So if it looks like this, then you have a problem because your messed up your suspension.


Thanx for the helps guys! My rims are 15X6.5 & I do live in VA. (snow) Although I will be switching my rims & tires to my original rim & firestone wheels. Getting stuck in the snow is not fun.

[1.5]

Im confused by that post ^^^

That car looks fine to me. The issue too is not camber related, the body on the Yaris hatch is molded slightly different from side to side causing a different looking fitment from passenger to driver side rears

[Mz3oh5]

If you look back at your car & your tire is slightly sticking out then you have a problem. Ride quality deteriorates as the car is mostly running on one side-wall, but mostly the inside of your tires ends up worn out very quickly, leading to a less-than-legal situation for your tread.

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[Mz3oh5]

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51800

This is perfect!

[1.5]

If you look back at your car & your tire is slightly sticking out then you have a problem. Ride quality deteriorates as the car is mostly running on one side-wall, but mostly the inside of your tires ends up worn out very quickly, leading to a less-than-legal situation for your tread.

51794

We adjust our camber on purpose to run that way tho it doesnt mean anything is broken and that isnt her problem.

It wont run on sidewall, that would be crazy, still only the contact patch of the tire will touch the ground even with significant negative camber

[sasquatch]

If you look back at your car & your tire is slightly sticking out then you have a problem. Ride quality deteriorates as the car is mostly running on one side-wall, but mostly the inside of your tires ends up worn out very quickly, leading to a less-than-legal situation for your tread.

51794

People add camber for the looks, possibly some performance increase.

The sticking out we are talking about isn't cbwr related. Dino's car has un-modified rear camber, the top of one wheel physically sticks out from the fender more than the other, that's what I/we were hoping to solve.

It's a DD and we get crazy weather up here so for stability and safety purposes we keep her car at minimum rear camber. My old DD had about -7* camber in the rear and not much toe adjuatment becauae it had a beam axle like the yaris,and was terrifying to drive in the wet

[derickveliz2]

Don't confuse the question about one rear wheel sticking out more on one side of the body of the car with "camber" issues.

Yes my Yaris has the same issue from factory ONE rear wheel sticks out more than the other one. Solution maybe spacers like recommended above, but not camber.

Camber... it's nice! (I had it once), but

"eats your tires very quickly"

because the geometry of the Yaris's suspension

D.

[1.5]

ive been running -6 degrees in the rear for close to a year now and i barely notice any unusual wear. The 5-6 months i have had the same tires on the rear and you cant even notice a difference in wear from inside of tire to outside maybe my toe is spot on!

[Flipper_1938]

Can the mounting bushings be shimmed to center the beam under the car?

5mm difference left to right should only require moving the beam 2.5mm to fix.

[WeeYari]

5mm difference left to right should only require moving the beam 2.5mm to fix.

The difference is actually closer to 10mm, and Scott is more than likely bang on when he states 13mm.

I removed my 10mm spacer from the right side a couple of days ago, and my spacing is now close to spot-on with the spacer still in place on the left.

[CTScott]

Can the mounting bushings be shimmed to center the beam under the car?

5mm difference left to right should only require moving the beam 2.5mm to fix.

The beam pockets are too tight to even make up a couple of mm and as I measured it on my two cars it was 13mm difference.

[mazilla]

I removed my 10mm spacer from the right side a couple of days ago, and my spacing is now close to spot-on with the spacer still in place on the left.


Does the left side rub now too? The right side barely grazes as is...I'd be sad if the left started doing it too. :cry::biggrin:

[WeeYari]

Does the left side rub now too? The right side barely grazes as is...I'd be sad if the left started doing it too. :cry::biggrin:

My left side never rubbed with the 10mm spacer in.

[ilikerice]

So I been reading this and thought I would go look at mine. And sure enough it is.

So I got the idea to lift the rear of the car up off the ground. Then I took a rubber mallot and hit as hard as I could the rim that poked out further. Making sure I hit the center of the rim with as much force as possible. Golf swing style. I lowered and measured it again. I hit it too hard. now the other side pokes out too far. Lifted it back up and slightly tapped it.. and it fixed it.. ;)

[Flipper_1938]

So I been reading this and thought I would go look at mine. And sure enough it is.

So I got the idea to lift the rear of the car up off the ground. Then I took a rubber mallot and hit as hard as I could the rim that poked out further. Making sure I hit the center of the rim with as much force as possible. Golf swing style. I lowered and measured it again. I hit it too hard. now the other side pokes out too far. Lifted it back up and slightly tapped it.. and it fixed it.. ;)

So the bushings are sliding in the pockets on the beam?

[mazilla]

My left side never rubbed with the 10mm spacer in.


Duh, I read that too early I guess...why would it start.

For me I would be adding a spacer to the driver side probably making it rub like the passenger side. I guess I could even it out and add a lil camber. It's like I HAVE to add camber now if I want to fix it...Toyota made me do it. :biggrin:

[mazilla]

So I been reading this and thought I would go look at mine. And sure enough it is.

So I got the idea to lift the rear of the car up off the ground. Then I took a rubber mallot and hit as hard as I could the rim that poked out further. Making sure I hit the center of the rim with as much force as possible. Golf swing style. I lowered and measured it again. I hit it too hard. now the other side pokes out too far. Lifted it back up and slightly tapped it.. and it fixed it.. ;)


I tried this too, except instead of lifting the car(my hands fatigue easily) I just donkey kicked the passenger rear panel and shifted the body. I had my neighbor put his foot in front of the opposite wheel/tire so only the body would move.

[CTScott]

If you did move it over it would only be temporary as you would simply be deforming the bushing. As soon as the car starts moving it will find its way back. This is what the pocket in the body looks like. There is no way you are going to deform it by whacking on the hub. With the two pockets being off center as they are, you would have to do some serious cutting and rewelding to center them.

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[D&D]

ive been running -6 degrees in the rear for close to a year now and i barely notice any unusual wear. The 5-6 months i have had the same tires on the rear and you cant even notice a difference in wear from inside of tire to outside maybe my toe is spot on!

But how many miles did you drive in that time?

[1.5]

about 6k ^^^

[cali yaris]

I run -1.5 in the front and have experienced no abnormal tire wear. I use extremely soft sticky tires too (Toyo R888)

[ilikerice]

So the bushings are sliding in the pockets on the beam?

no.. this actually did not work. surprise.. CT is right, even if this did work, the amount of autocross I do, it would shimmy back and forth all the time.

[Flipper_1938]

When people are pushing the beam around to center things up....what is actually moving?

[CTScott]

When people are pushing the beam around to center things up....what is actually moving?

They are deforming the rubber bushings that the beam bolts go through. They have about 1/2" of material around the bolt and are soft, so you can deform them. When you do so you are actually cocking the beam, rather than sliding to one side, so if it stayed like that the car would go dog style down the road.

[DINOeggxo]

bumping this back up:

Has anyone ever attempted to modify the rear beam to pull the wheels in more? like cutting re-welding? trying to think of a way to get perfect fitment. or is there a beam from earlier yaris or other model that is narrower and would bolt in?

[CTScott]

bumping this back up:

Has anyone ever attempted to modify the rear beam to pull the wheels in more? like cutting re-welding? trying to think of a way to get perfect fitment. or is there a beam from earlier yaris or other model that is narrower and would bolt in?

I don't believe so on either.

Cutting and re-welding would actually be a reasonable approach, although the simpler solution is to use hub spacers. Using a mismatched set of one 10 mm and one 13 mm Penguin Garage spacer brings them almost perfectly equal. To make them dead on you could purchase a set of 10's or 13's and grind one down to where both sides are identical.

[sasquatch]

I don't believe so on either.



Cutting and re-welding would actually be a reasonable approach, although the simpler solution is to use hub spacers. Using a mismatched set of one 10 mm and one 13 mm Penguin Garage spacer brings them almost perfectly equal. To make them dead on you could purchase a set of 10's or 13's and grind one down to where both sides are identical.


Yea we have considered spacers. But we are looking to maybe bring the wheels in more than just even them out. They already poke out some on each side and hoping to look for options to bring them in rather than just crazy camber..

[CTScott]

Yea we have considered spacers. But we are looking to maybe bring the wheels in more than just even them out. They already poke out some on each side and hoping to look for options to bring them in rather than just crazy camber..

OK. In that case the cut/weld is the way to go. You have about 1/2" to play with before you have to remount the shock mount.

[sasquatch]

OK. In that case the cut/weld is the way to go. You have about 1/2" to play with before you have to remount the shock mount.


That's what I was gonna ask about haha. So 1/2 inch total or 1/2 inch on each side can be removed. if that makes sense.

[CTScott]

That's what I was gonna ask about haha. So 1/2 inch total or 1/2 inch on each side can be removed. if that makes sense.

!/2" per side. You could get almost 1.5" per side if you cut right up to the shock mount.

[sasquatch]

I am now intrigued. Will have to look into this more

[kimona]

Same problem up front as discussed a long time ago in another thread somewhere.

[sasquatch]

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/05/11/puvyza3e.jpg

This isn't her beam. But basically carefully cut the hub mount bracket off and move it in and reweld it should pull the wheel in more?

[CTScott]

That's not a 2nd gen Yaris one, but the pic below is. The one tricky thing is that you want to cut out a section to move it in, but at the same time you need to maintain the distance from the pivot point or the wheel will no longer be centered forward to back.



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[DINOeggxo]

That's not a 2nd gen Yaris one, but the pic below is. The one tricky thing is that you want to cut out a section to move it in, but at the same time you need to maintain the distance from the pivot point or the wheel will no longer be centered forward to back.



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ahhhhhh i see, i blame google for the wrong image haha. we will have to get under the car and take a look at what kind of room i'm looking at and what area would be best to remove material from. Then speak with a friend who does fabrication work and see about what could be done. not going to give up yet!

[Exiwolfman]

now that i have read this think im gone save my hub spacers for the next Yaris ...any idea if this problem is on 2012 up ?

[CTScott]

ahhhhhh i see, i blame google for the wrong image haha. we will have to get under the car and take a look at what kind of room i'm looking at and what area would be best to remove material from. Then speak with a friend who does fabrication work and see about what could be done. not going to give up yet!

It is definitely a cool idea. I had a spare beam that would have been perfect for you to experiment with, but unfortunately someone else grabbed it to replace a bent one.