New EPA mileage standards

[daq421]

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/calculatorSelectYear.jsp

Wow,
The EPA has revised the way they calculate gas mileage and it's pretty brutal (for some cars..)
The Yaris drops from: (the automatic)
34 (city) and 39 (hi-way)

to:
29 (city) and 35 (hi-way)

Which sucks but is way more in line with the mileages I've seen posted here..

The real hit is from the Prius which goes from:
60 (city) and 51 (hi-way)

to:
48 (city) and 45 (hiway)

Thats gotta hurt the "green ego".. Turns out the Yaris is a waaaay better value in the MPG vs. cost department.
-Peter

[jamal1984]

it's still suck, the reason why i choose the Yaris because 40 mpg.

[flint_mica_manual]

My first gas tank calculation: 7.458 gallons 341.6 miles = 45.8 m/g

I accelerate at my leisure and then lock in the cruise at 55. Cruise with a manual is so much better than automatic -- no kicking down in gear going up hill.

I only have 800 miles on the car. The gas mileage should get better as the car breaks in.

The new standards take into effect "how" people drive -- which is generally poorly and dangerous. . .which also tends to waste gas.

[PetersRedYaris]

Don't sweat it... All cars apply to this new method of mileage ratings, so every car on the road will be worse than the previous ratings. Yaris will still be rated as one of the top MPG'ers.

[Yaris Revenge]

LOL! Holy crap, can you imagine how the SUVs are gonna' rate now? Even the smallest will be lucky to break 20! :laugh:

~YR

[kc8hyg]

no mater what they say i am getting 43 mpg. kc8hyg

[St_G]

Smaller engines take a bigger hit under these standards, so don't expect to see big drops in MPG ratings for larger (-engined) vehicles.

[flint_mica_manual]

Smaller engines take a bigger hit under these standards, so don't expect to see big drops in MPG ratings for larger (-engined) vehicles.

Yep, and that's why there is a fair amount of controversy with the new numbers. People will look at the numbers and then maybe go for the SUV thinking there isn't much difference. "conservative" government at work. Damn crime really. The Yaris is more than capable of getting 40mpg. Tho, I would have went for one of those 80mpg VW lupo's if they sold them in the U.S.

[ECHOKnight2000]

The estimates are estimates so take it with a fine grain of salt. The only thing changed was the testing, not your car. So that means you can get above, at or under the rating, usually its the above (so like when the old ratings were in). Although I know a lot of consumers go by the EPA ratings like its a Bible, sure its a good guideline but its not the end all be all. I digress.:thumbsup:

[eco]

I get anywhere from 37-40 average,and I have hit 45mpg,I have the picture,I will post soon.

[Astroman]

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/calculatorSelectYear.jsp

Wow,
The EPA has revised the way they calculate gas mileage and it's pretty brutal (for some cars..)
The Yaris drops from: (the automatic)
34 (city) and 39 (hi-way)

to:
29 (city) and 35 (hi-way)

Which sucks but is way more in line with the mileages I've seen posted here..

The real hit is from the Prius which goes from:
60 (city) and 51 (hi-way)

to:
48 (city) and 45 (hiway)

Thats gotta hurt the "green ego".. Turns out the Yaris is a waaaay better value in the MPG vs. cost department.
-Peter
Thats pretty close to my numbers, but that's because I do pizza delivery part time and do a lot of in town driving. I also have to get to the customer and back to the store fast. When I take it easy on the accelerator and keep my speed below 70mph I would easily exceed the new EPA estimates.

[marcus]

wait a minute i understand the horsepower new measurement conversion but how can they change calculation on gas mileage..if ur travelling 40 m/gal how would that change it..i dont get it.. unless they calculating mileage by a person pushing the car to red line all the way thru then that will make sense..

[BailOut]

wait a minute i understand the horsepower new measurement conversion but how can they change calculation on gas mileage..if ur travelling 40 m/gal how would that change it..i dont get it.. unless they calculating mileage by a person pushing the car to red line all the way thru then that will make sense..

They now base their estimates on how most people actually drive rather than how they should be driving. Hard acceleration, hard braking, tailgating, speeding, excessive idling, etc. all lead directly to low mileage/increased emissions, but that's exactly how most folks behave on the road today.

What I find funny is that while the EPA is busy dropping their numbers my own fuel efficiency with my Yaris keeps raising. I got 48 MPG on my last tank.

[mgthompson]

I'm still getting good mileage, all city driving at 35 mpg, and when I do about 120 miles on the highway to Denver and back along with my city miles I get 38 mpg. So I only could imagine if I was doing mostly Highway miles it would be around 45 mpg.

[Typer73]

Yep, and that's why there is a fair amount of controversy with the new numbers. People will look at the numbers and then maybe go for the SUV thinking there isn't much difference. "conservative" government at work. Damn crime really. The Yaris is more than capable of getting 40mpg. Tho, I would have went for one of those 80mpg VW lupo's if they sold them in the U.S.

Hummer H3 new rating: 14 city / 18 hwy ... old rating 15 city / 19 hwy
Chevy Suburban new rating: 14 city / 20 hwy ... old rating 15 city / 21 hwy
Ford Expedition new rating: 12 city / 18 hwy ... old rating 14 city / 20 hwy
Cadillac Escalade new rating: 12 city / 19 hwy ... old rating 13 city / 20 hwy

They didn't change much, but anyone thinking there's not much difference between the Yaris' numbers and these knows less about math than I do!

Even the Toyota SUVs average around 15 city / 20 hwy.

[Black Yaris]

well those # listed above are closer to what I am getting even when I am hard on my lil Jellybean

[churp]

Highway miles went down14% for the Yaris.....the hwy percentage for the above 'big' cars varies from 5% to 11%. Not quite the same relationship but close.:iono:

[Black Yaris]

wonder how exactly they did come up with those #'s wonder if they changed octane of gas? origanal test was done on 89 octane mabe they switched to 87 that was recommened by the manf and it hurt the small engines more than the big ones?

[churp]

My '71 Caddy got 13 mpg no mattter what with her 472 cubes...you could put her thru any test (30 mph or 70) and it wouldn't vary much....to some extent the same with these.

[BailOut]

wonder if they changed octane of gas?

Octane is not a rating of caloric content or burn-ability. It is only the measure of how much heat is required to ignite the fuel.

[MudBug]

Thats gotta hurt the "green ego".. Turns out the Yaris is a waaaay better value in the MPG vs. cost department.
-Peter


I was told by the guy that sold me my Yaris that a lot of people felt that way even before this. Lot's of people coming in wanting to buy a Prius and leaving with a Yaris.

[hystria]

Many of us still got 40mpg US on highway at 70mph. However 30mpg in city/many lights driving looks much more realistic

60mpg city driving for the Prius was simply ridiculous. Hybrids do at most 20% better mileage than the similar normal engine. One exception, the honda Insight, was/is far more than an ordinary hybrid.

[eco]

I just hit 47.2 the other day,try and beat that,I still had half a tank left.
I can get 40mpg with moderate accelaration,and 70-75mph on the road.
So dont let this worry you,if you do the right things to your car,you can acheive this aswell.
http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n54/ecooce/47-1.jpg
http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n54/ecooce/47.jpg
http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n54/ecooce/40.jpg

[daq421]

wonder how exactly they did come up with those #'s wonder if they changed octane of gas? origanal test was done on 89 octane mabe they switched to 87 that was recommened by the manf and it hurt the small engines more than the big ones?


No, They just went to more realistic acceleration and cruising speeds.
-Peter