FS: tooter I.V 2 inch thick intake manifold spacer

[tooter]

This is a list where you can add your name if you're interested. It's not a commitment to buy, so you're free to change your mind. But you'll have a first chance at one in the order of the names. The spacer is $265 including shipping, and comes complete with mounting hardware and stock O ring gasket.


Production Estimation List

1. BEEF
2. Fredovvti





http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b90/compost_bin/car/IMG_7696_zps464d3449.jpg

[biffy]

Whats it do??

[tooter]

Whats it do??

It lowers the torque peak by 450 rpm while fattening up the torque curve a little. The longer intake runners allow the engine to pull stronger at low rpms in normal driving.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b90/compost_bin/car/beforeandafterspacer2_zps6a51b60b.jpg

[KCALB SIRAY]

Hi Tooter. My suggestion is that you explain in detail what this spacer does, but in layman's terms. I understand you have another thread on the production, but I'm pretty sure 85% of this community doesn't even understand why the torque and hp cross paths at 5252 on that chart let alone how this would or would not benefit them. There is a lot of information on that chart and to the person who doesn't get it just won't get it and pass it by without a second glance. Just a suggestion and good luck with the sales. :thumbsup:

[Black_griffin6]

I have another question actually...do you think this will have any benefit with boosted projects?
I'm interested, but I might go boosted eventually.

[BEEF]

I thought boost likedshorter runners (less area to pressurize) there again, what do I know.

[tooter]

Hi Tooter. My suggestion is that you explain in detail what this spacer does, but in layman's terms. I understand you have another thread on the production, but I'm pretty sure 85% of this community doesn't even understand why the torque and hp cross paths at 5252 on that chart let alone how this would or would not benefit them. There is a lot of information on that chart and to the person who doesn't get it just won't get it and pass it by without a second glance. Just a suggestion and good luck with the sales. :thumbsup:

That's a good idea. I'll see if I can express the principle of horsepower and torque better as I recently heard some really good analogies.

Horsepower: How fast you hit a wall.

Torque: How far you push the wall after you hit it.

Horsepower is like a sprinter, while torque is like a cross country hiker.

The sprinter is faster, but when you put a 70 pound pack on his back, he slows down.

The cross country hiker is slower, but when you put a 70 pound pack on his back, he still moves at the same speed.

Then the intake valves on your engine open and close. They are abruptly starting and stopping the incoming air. Now the incoming air has inertia so starting and stopping creates pulses, or pressure waves that travel back and forth inside of the intake manifold runners. If the runners are made longer the pulses will resonate harmoniously at a lower frequency because they have a longer distance to travel to get to the other end. A lower harmonious frequency means reaching peak torque at a lower rpm. More torque at lower rpm means the engine pulls stronger without needing to rev higher.

Hope that helps...


Greg

[tooter]

I have another question actually...do you think this will have any benefit with boosted projects?
I'm interested, but I might go boosted eventually.

I don't believe that it will make any difference. As pushing in the intake air with pressure negates all of the issues associated with normally aspirated air drawn in by the vacuum created by moving pistons.

The tooter intake manifold would work best for boosted applications...

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b90/compost_bin/car/IMG_7487_zpsf6b385c5.jpg

http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj238/angelo0011/1zzIM.jpg


...because the runners are larger in diameter, it will flow more air, it will accept a larger 55mm 1ZZ throttle body, and the strong aluminum can handle any boost pressure.

Greg

[Black_griffin6]

Well my current mods are a Weapon R intake, 1zz TB, DC header, and a mandrel bent cat back exhaust.
I've been debating on weather to go boost or stay NA.

[tooter]

Well my current mods are a Weapon R intake, 1zz TB, DC header, and a mandrel bent cat back exhaust.
I've been debating on weather to go boost or stay NA.

I generally like normally aspirated just for the simplicity of not needing to mess with all of the extra hardware and electronic tuning issues. Plus the strain on the engine is reduced. I believe that it will last longer and be more reliable just sucking in its own air. :wink:

Greg

[dragoonmc]

Put me down for one

[jjwitter]

Put my name on the list

[Klink10]

I'd like one. I'm automatic and I think this coupled with my Blitz throttle controller would be a perfect match for that "get away quick at the stop light." Thank you.

PS: Will this come with all the hardware for installation? If not will instructions be provided that include the specific hardware nomenclature required along with gaskets etc. Thank you again.

PS2: Disregard previous, re-read thread. My dumb-a**.

[tooter]

Production Estimation List

1. BEEF
2. Fredovvti
3. dragoonmc
4. jjwitter
5. Klink10

[1.5]

How does this work with the MI manifold. Any dynos combined with one to see how that changes things?

[tooter]

How does this work with the MI manifold. Any dynos combined with one to see how that changes things?

I'm not certain that it will fit as it takes up the frontal clearance provided by the narrowness of the stock manifold. Note how the spacer puts it an inch away from the radiator reservoir.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b90/compost_bin/car/IMG_7702_zps9b9e8935.jpg


I'd love to combine it with my tooter intake manifold, but there isn't enough space in front of the engine to do it.


Greg

[1.5]

Yea I was going to say, the MI manifold sits wayyyy close to the hood latch so idk if the spacer would push it too far, if anyone around you cares to test fit id be interested

are you planning on making any TB spacers?

[HANZO_187]

I'll consider this, out my name in buddy!

[tooter]

Yea I was going to say, the MI manifold sits wayyyy close to the hood latch so idk if the spacer would push it too far, if anyone around you cares to test fit id be interested

are you planning on making any TB spacers?

No. Because they don't change the operating parameters of the intake manifold enough to matter. All a throttle body spacer does is to slightly enlarge the plenum volume. If the intake runners are already reading open air at the plenum, making it larger doesn't make any difference.

In contrast making the intake runners longer alters the frequency of the reflected intake pulses which makes them resonate at a lower frequency (lower rpm). That's what lowers the torque peak in the rpm range.

Greg

[1.5]

see ive heard adding space their does change the parameters of how air flows in through the mani and also they help with dissipating heat allowing the air coming in to stay slightly cooler.

[tooter]

see ive heard adding space their does change the parameters of how air flows in through the mani and also they help with dissipating heat allowing the air coming in to stay slightly cooler.

While that might be true... I don't believe that a spacer would make enough of a difference to matter. Intake air temp wouldn't be any cooler on a plastic manifold no matter what spacer was on it. Heck, the throttle body is even heated, so disconnecting the radiator fluid hoses would make more difference in cooling intake ait than a spacer.

Greg

[tooter]

Production Estimation List

1. BEEF
2. Fredovvti
3. dragoonmc
4. jjwitter
5. Klink10
6. HANZO_187

[HANZO_187]

I just wanted to get an updated about these Mani-Spacers.

I'm very interested in how you even came to make all this stuff! I have to put mine on hold in the mean time till I find out what my class will be if I installed it for Auto Cross.

Please, keep us updated.

-HAN

[BEEF]

I actually need to put mine on hold too. i've been playing with numbers and am seriously looking into getting a BRZ.

I do still really like the concept and idea.

[malibuguy]

Im definetly down for one. Just when exactly ill have the money is pending what i buy to replace my other car. I still need to finish the proper tooter.

[tooter]

I just wanted to get an updated about these Mani-Spacers.

I'm very interested in how you even came to make all this stuff!

It's just a hobby I enjoy doing in my spare time. :smile:

The whole process from idea to finished product is so much fun. It's like an adventure. First to come up with a concept, and then a design, and a prototype, and then dyno testing, and then production, and then sales.

I have to put mine on hold in the mean time till I find out what my class will be if I installed it for Auto Cross.

Please, keep us updated.

-HAN Sure will, HAN. :thumbsup:

None of the names on the list mean a binding commitment. It's just to give me a rough idea of how many people might be interested so that I can estimate how many to have machined. Another production run of tooter II.VII Tacoma intake manifold spacers is still in the works right now awaiting for some new tool bits to arrive, so the Yaris spacers will also be coming soon. The method of machining the spacers is constantly being refined as we go.

Greg

Production Estimation List

1. Fredovvti
2. dragoonmc
3. jjwitter
4. Klink10

[Astroman]

Tooter I have a dc sports header, magnaflow exhaust, aem cai and a 1zz tb. Would this help me get back some of the low end torque I lost with the dc? I can't afford the TRD header thars for sale and wondering if this would help.

[DJYojimbo]

@astroman, you lost low end torque with the dc sports header?

[tooter]

Yeah, I also don't see how a DC header could hurt your low end performance, Astro. Did you also delete any cats or install a larger mid pipe?

I only know the difference logged between the before and after dyno runs with the spacer as the only change and nothing else.

This same equipment was used for both runs:

1. SRI with BLOX velocity stack air filter
2. Weapon R 4-2-1 header
3. MicroImage MagnaFlow axleback exhaust

Red: no spacer
Blue: tooter I.V spacer

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b90/compost_bin/car/beforeandafterspacer2_zps6a51b60b.jpg


Greg

[1.5]

Well that is still promissing. Big increase in torque for our little motors.

[Astroman]

I was getting my info from the TRD header sales thread which there was discussion that the TRD header wouldn't lose low end torque vs the DC Sports header.

[tooter]

I was getting my info from the TRD header sales thread which there was discussion that the TRD header wouldn't lose low end torque vs the DC Sports header.

Yeah, the TRD is a very well thought out design, and was likely refined by dyno testing to get the very best configuration.

What works against all of the Yaris headers is that the available space to make it a bolt on part is so damned short. :mad:

Man, I freaked out when I saw that someone actually folded the runners to make a long tube header fit into the SAME space as the stock short tube header on my Tacoma. It's by far the most clever bolt-on exhaust design I've ever seen! :smile:

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b90/compost_bin/car/IMG_6922_zps7dbbc322.jpg


The runners are 30% longer than the stock header, and are all equal length. :thumbsup:

Greg

[BEEF]

If i may be so bold, what did that header cost?

[tooter]

If i may be so bold, what did that header cost?

It was $473 including shipping from LCEPerformance.com. I installed one within a week of buying the truck. The fit and finish are flawless. :smile:

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b90/compost_bin/car/63eecebd-d227-4758-af55-202fc9a4543c_zpsc13b057a.jpg

Greg

[BEEF]

They made awesome use of space there. The price isn't ridiculous either.

[tooter]

As far as I'm concerned, I more than got my money's worth. :smile:
The stock downpipe didn't need to move one millimeter to accept the header.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b90/compost_bin/car/IMG_6967_zps36a9e248.jpg?t=1393393445

On the dyno, the header lowered the torque peak by 650rpm from 3,800 rpm down to just 3,150 rpm.

Greg

[longlivekel]

Maybe in a year or so.. And if i have room after swap. I am definitely looking at buying one of these!!!

[tooter]

The tooters are done... :smile:

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b90/compost_bin/car/IMG_7765_zpsd9f0c9bf.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b90/compost_bin/car/IMG_7767_zps996f4a4d.jpg



$265 including shipping

You guys on the list have first dibs.
There's still one extra for anyone else who might want one.

Production Estimation List

1. Fredovvti
2. dragoonmc
3. jjwitter
4. Klink10

The longer threaded studs have been ordered, paid for, in transit, and should be delivered any day now. So the tooters will be ready to ship this week.

My PayPal is: greggabi@verizon.net (greggabi@verizon.net)
A personal check or USPS Money Order is also fine.

Greg Mamishian
21444 Entrada Road
Topanga, CA 90290


Greg

[HANZO_187]

OMG, they look so awesome...I wanna get one after a while. Not gonna find something like this any where else. They look great TooTer.

[Golddeenoh]

picture and list of everything needed to put this on the car please.

longer studs, ect...

[WeeYari]

picture and list of everything needed to put this on the car please.

longer studs, ect...

It's all in the first post.

[tk-421]

Looking great! :thumbsup:

[tooter]

picture and list of everything needed to put this on the car please.

longer studs, ect...

The threaded rods will be in any day now and I'll take a pic of the complete kit... but it's just basically the spacer, a stock intake manifold O ring gasket, 5 smooth flange nuts, and 5 long metric threaded studs.

The studs and nuts look like this...

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b90/compost_bin/car/IMG_7696_zps464d3449.jpg

...and the gasket looks like this.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b90/compost_bin/car/IMG_7768_zpse0d2a02c.jpg

The CNC designer perfectly replicated the same exact gasket groove profile as the stock intake manifold to insure a reliable leakproof seal.

Greg

[Klink10]

Hey Tooter.....Let me get the funds transfered over to checking and I'll get one to you ASAP. One more question....you had mentioned that one hose had to be lengthened to fit on the tooter. Can you point out which one in one of the pics showing the tooter installed? Got to figure out a clean way to do that. Thanks

Edit: Also are you using Loctite on those studs and without me having to look, what is the torque setting and tightening sequence?

[tooter]

Hey Tooter.....Let me get the funds transfered over to checking and I'll get one to you ASAP.

There's no rush, Klink. I'll likely be doing more small production runs if needed.

One more question....you had mentioned that one hose had to be lengthened to fit on the tooter. Can you point out which one in one of the pics showing the tooter installed? Got to figure out a clean way to do that. Thanks Sure. I'll post some close up pics when I get some time off work. From running the aluminum tooter intake manifolds, my hoses were all switched around so what you'll see will have no relation to the stock setup! :laugh:

Edit: Also are you using Loctite on those studs and without me having to look, what is the torque setting and tightening sequence? I've never torqued the intake bolts and didn't use any locktite on the longer spacer studs. I just go by feel and snug everything down evenly with a few sequential passes. With all of my intake experiments I've likely taken more manifolds off and on than anyone else here and have never had any issues. :smile:


Greg

[rexseesyou]

Put me on the list for the 5th 1 but yes can you show a pic of the hose that needs to be modified. Thanks!

[tooter]

Someone just sent me money for one, but I have no idea what his screen name is, or whether or not he's on the list. :confused:

So to avoid any more complications, right now there are four spacers still available, and from now on it's first come first served.

I'll just keep everyone posted on any changes in spacer availability in this thread.

Greg

[tooter]

Put me on the list for the 5th 1 but yes can you show a pic of the hose that needs to be modified. Thanks!

Hey Rex, :smile:

I should have time to take some pics tomorrow. :thumbsup:

There's no longer a list and right now there are four spacers in stock.

Take Care,

Greg

[3cyltrbo]

what affect will this spacer have in conjunction with your intake manifold/

will this spacer fit in the engine compartment for cars that already have your intake manifold?

[tooter]

what affect will this spacer have in conjunction with your intake manifold/

will this spacer fit in the engine compartment for cars that already have your intake manifold?

Yeah, I was thinking of the same thing... but a spacer won't fit because the tooter intake manifold already occupies the free space between the engine and the radiator...

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b90/compost_bin/car/IMG_7176_zpse831107b.jpg


However, the tooter runners are already one inch longer than the stock runners, so it's like having a one inch spacer already built into it. :smile:

Greg

[tooter]

Here's what I did with the coolant hoses...

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b90/compost_bin/car/IMG_7769_zps819d827d.jpg

simply disconnected them from the throttle body and connected them together with a coupling until I get some longer hose pieces to put them back on.

Then I just hung the loop over the fittings on the throttle body...

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b90/compost_bin/car/IMG_7771_zps464bee3d.jpg

I don't live in a cold area so having a heated throttle body isn't much of an issue. That's why it doesn't matter if the car runs like this.

Greg

[tooter]

Three spacers are still available,
and this is what kit looks like.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b90/compost_bin/car/IMG_7775_zps920ba029.jpg?t=1394081359

[tooter]

Just to let the buyers know... I'm working downtown today, so all of your tooters will be sent out tomorrow, Friday the 7th. :smile:

Greg

[tooter]

The spacers all shipped this morning at 9:00am by USPS Priority Mail.
The scheduled delivery date for all of them is this coming Monday, the 10th. :smile:

Greg

[jjwitter]

I bought the first one, am looking forward to installing the spacer in the spring once it warms up

[tooter]

It'll be there in just 3 days. :thumbsup:

Right now I'm the only person in the world running a intake spacer like that on my Yaris...

... but pretty soon, I won't be. :wink:

Greg

[rexseesyou]

Can't wait to get mine on Monday! Thanks, Greg!

[tooter]

Thanks dragoonmc. :smile:

We're down to two spacers now.


Greg

[tooter]

Hey sorry guys... I totally neglected to file off the edge on the spacer like this...

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b90/compost_bin/car/IMG_7787_zps677a636d.jpg

It allows for clearance for the, I think it's the valve timing advance cylinder. Right here...

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b90/compost_bin/car/IMG_7783_zps5cdc80b2.jpg

A rough hand file takes it right down. It doesn't take much to make it fit. I just totally forgot to do it. If you have any questions let me know here in this thread. First try to fit it unfiled so that it becomes crystal clear exactly where the little bit of filing is necessary. That cut isn't on the CNC machine program because it's an undercut, and the 90 degree tool doesn't do undercuts. So you simply file it by hand to fit. :smile:


Greg

[longlivekel]

I'm very interested to see the mpg results from the community!

[jjwitter]

My wife informed me my spacer arrived today, unfortunaly i"m in Washington State until the end of March, should be able to install in April

[Astroman]

Ooooo what part of WA are you in? I'm smack dab in the middle.

I really really want one of these...... but can't free quite that much. Will you be doing another batch?

[tooter]

Ooooo what part of WA are you in? I'm smack dab in the middle.

I really really want one of these...... but can't free quite that much. Will you be doing another batch?

If the last two sell out, I'll have a few more machined. :smile:
What I do is totally determined by how many people buy them.
I'm already thinking about another product but I still don't know what it is yet.


Greg

[tooter]

I'm very interested to see the mpg results from the community!

So am I. :smile:
My mileage results are inconclusive as my wife drives the car more than I do, and it basically never sees a freeway.


Greg

[longlivekel]

I saw your mpg specs on your main thread and am impressed but lets get some hwy time on it and some romping included : )
Could you possibly provide 2 measurements? How much further does the stock intake stick out and how far out does the 1zz intake stick out.
My classic car swap is very limited in space and if I go down this route, I want to make sure it will clear the firewall (engine is in the back).
Thanks

[ToyotaBuzz]

My classic car swap is very limited in space and if I go down this route, I want to make sure it will clear the firewall (engine is in the back).
Thanks

I have to ask....what did you swap a 1NZ into? First gen MR2?

[tooter]

I saw your mpg specs on your main thread and am impressed but lets get some hwy time on it and some romping included : )

Someone else will have to provide the mileage specs when they get their spacers installed, as we live in a rural area and very rarely use freeways, so there's basically no sustained high speed driving.

And as far as romping, it's not a high performance horsepower product. It just helps the engine to pull stronger at low rpms.

Could you possibly provide 2 measurements? How much further does the stock intake stick out and how far out does the 1zz intake stick out.

You can know exactly how much the stock intake sticks out with the spacer. Just measure yours and add 2 inches. :wink:

My classic car swap is very limited in space and if I go down this route, I want to make sure it will clear the firewall (engine is in the back).
Thanks

No problem. :smile: I should be able to measure the aluminum tooter and will post the results here today.

The Yaris happens to have plenty of empty space in front of the engine that allows the luxury of a thick spacer.

Greg

[longlivekel]

If i start posting pix, i am afraid i will end up hi-jacking the thread : P

But i can at least say what type of car. 1968 mazda carol

[tooter]

If i start posting pix, i am afraid i will end up hi-jacking the thread : P

But i can at least say what type of car. 1968 mazda carol

Hijack away kel... I'd like to see the pics too. :smile:

[ToyotaBuzz]

1968 mazda carol

OMG! 358cc stock!?!

[jjwitter]

Ooooo what part of WA are you in? I'm smack dab in the middle.

I really really want one of these...... but can't free quite that much. Will you be doing another batch?
I'm in Bremerton, WA.

[tooter]

I saw your mpg specs on your main thread and am impressed but lets get some hwy time on it and some romping included : )
Could you possibly provide 2 measurements? How much further does the stock intake stick out and how far out does the 1zz intake stick out.
My classic car swap is very limited in space and if I go down this route, I want to make sure it will clear the firewall (engine is in the back).
Thanks

The thickness of the tooter aluminum intake manifold is 8 1/8" from the surface of the gasketed flange to the runner's edge at the lowest point in the picture...

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b90/compost_bin/car/IMG_7492_zps25acb872.jpg

Greg

[longlivekel]

Thanks Greg

[rexseesyou]

Hey everyone! So, I've had the tooter spacer installed just over a week now. I just wanted to give credit to Greg where it's due and say that you definitely feel the torque difference at low rpms and you can get up to traffic speed from a red light a lot easier with the spacer on. Greg walked me through the install as this was my first time removing the intake manifold and was very patient with all my stupid noob questions. I just wanted to say that Greg is a great seller and he isn't shy to share his knowledge and help you out with any questions.

Thanks again, Greg!

[dragoonmc]

Has any one put this on with the stock airbox yet?

[tooter]

Hey everyone! So, I've had the tooter spacer installed just over a week now. I just wanted to give credit to Greg where it's due and say that you definitely feel the torque difference at low rpms and you can get up to traffic speed from a red light a lot easier with the spacer on. Greg walked me through the install as this was my first time removing the intake manifold and was very patient with all my stupid noob questions. I just wanted to say that Greg is a great seller and he isn't shy to share his knowledge and help you out with any questions.

Thanks again, Greg!

You're welcome, Rex. :smile:
I don't mind helping because every new product is uncharted territory that no one has travelled before.


Greg

[tooter]

Has any one put this on with the stock airbox yet?

I don't think anyone has so far, but I'm pretty sure that it will work because the stock rubber intake hose is pretty flexible, and the spacer doesn't move the throttle body closer or farther away from the air box, but moves the throttle body sideways in relation to the air box.

My tooter intake manifold also relocated the throttle body sideways in relation to the stock air box, except that it also moved it closer, so I trimmed a couple of inches off the hose and it was still flexible enough to easily make the sideways offset.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b90/compost_bin/car/IMG_6594_zps9e44bb12.jpg


If anyone does use their stock air box, please let everyone else here know how it goes, as that's useful information. :smile:

Greg

[Kaotic Lazagna]

It does make the heat shield on the K&N SRI (Typhoon) almost unusable. Fortunately for me, one of the brackets on the shield is no longer connected, so it allowed for some flex. I do, now, have a rattling sound because of this. haha.

[Kaotic Lazagna]

You can see that the intake pipe is no longer in the center of the heat shield passageway and is actually pushing the heat shield forward.

[rexseesyou]

You can see that the intake pipe is no longer in the center of the heat shield passageway and is actually pushing the heat shield forward.

What is the wrap you have on the K&N intake and mesh around the filter? I have the same intake and am wondering if that helps.

[Kaotic Lazagna]

What is the wrap you have on the K&N intake and mesh around the filter? I have the same intake and am wondering if that helps.

It's just heat reflective wrap (not a header wrap). The mesh around the filter is a K&N dry charger pre filter. Helps prevent water from getting sucked in.

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb261/YarisKaos/KandN%20Typhoon%20SRI%20Install/DryCharger/DSC_0004.jpg (http://s208.photobucket.com/user/YarisKaos/media/KandN%20Typhoon%20SRI%20Install/DryCharger/DSC_0004.jpg.html)

[Kaotic Lazagna]

As for the heat reflective wrap, it does help, but only noticeable, for the most part, under conditions that will allow heat soaking.

[rexseesyou]

As for the heat reflective wrap, it does help, but only noticeable, for the most part, under conditions that will allow heat soaking.

Thanks for the info!

[Kaotic Lazagna]

Thanks for the info!

No problem :thumbsup:

[Kaotic Lazagna]

One fill up since installing the Tooter spacer. After 340.9 miles of my car Tooting along (lol), it got 42.3 mpg. That's a slight improvement from my 40.3 mpg average.

http://www.fuelly.com/driver/07vios/yaris

[tooter]

One fill up since installing the Tooter spacer. After 340.9 miles of my car Tooting along (lol), it got 42.3 mpg. That's a slight improvement from my 40.3 mpg average.

http://www.fuelly.com/driver/07vios/yaris

Heck, that's already really good even without the spacer. :smile:
We have only three fillups since the spacer and the overall average is 37.5 mpg, and that's with no freeway driving. Before the spacer, stock manifold and, stock throttle body, I was running the tooter et and the 1ZZ throttle body. The mileage average for 4 fillups was 39.9 mpg but that was with freeway driving.

Greg

[Kaotic Lazagna]

Heck, that's already really good even without the spacer. :smile:
We have only three fillups since the spacer and the overall average is 37.5 mpg, and that's with no freeway driving. Before the spacer, stock manifold and, stock throttle body, I was running the tooter et and the 1ZZ throttle body. The mileage average for 4 fillups was 39.9 mpg but that was with freeway driving.

Greg

Thanks :biggrin:

As everyone can see in the log book portion, my mpg's are rather consistent from week to week, as I'm usually doing the same driving day in and day out. :laugh:

[dragoonmc]

Hey got mine installed last night. With the stock air box this is kind of hard actually.

Things that are probably worth Mentioning are that the vacuum lines need extended, the sensor just off the throttle body cannot be mounted back into the boot due to the length of the wires. The coolant hose that comes up and over the manifold is actually long enough on its own, though the lower one does need extended or replaced if you can get it the other end off.

Without anything mounting the wiring harness that runs across the engine this might eventually lead to fatigued and broken wires, I will figure out something to attach that to and hopefully re attach the decorative cover

[Kaotic Lazagna]

I had to extend/swap out the hose that red on yours, and the PCV hose. I was, oddly enough, able to reuse the coolant hose that goes to the TB.

[tooter]

Hey got mine installed last night. With the stock air box this is kind of hard actually.

Things that are probably worth Mentioning are that the vacuum lines need extended, the sensor just off the throttle body cannot be mounted back into the boot due to the length of the wires. The coolant hose that comes up and over the manifold is actually long enough on its own, though the lower one does need extended or replaced if you can get it the other end off.

Without anything mounting the wiring harness that runs across the engine this might eventually lead to fatigued and broken wires, I will figure out something to attach that to and hopefully re attach the decorative cover

I also had similar hose situations when I installed the spacer on my Tacoma. And got around the intake issue with an aftermarket intake, where the whole thing simply moved right along with the new throttle body position.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b90/compost_bin/car/IMG_7570_zpsdfbc0d6a.jpg

Greg

[tooter]

Four tooter I.V spacer kits have been sold... and two are still available. :smile:

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b90/compost_bin/car/IMG_7696_zps464d3449.jpg


http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b90/compost_bin/car/IMG_7698_zps8f973d84.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b90/compost_bin/car/IMG_7702_zps9b9e8935.jpg


http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b90/compost_bin/car/beforeandafterspacer2_zps6a51b60b.jpg

$265 includes shipping.

PayPal: greggabi@verizon.net (greggabi@verizon.net)

Or personal check or USPS Money Order to.

Greg Mamishian
21444 Entrada Road
Topanga, CA 90290


Greg

[tooter]

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[tooter]

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[Golddeenoh]

do the bumpidy bump!!

[tooter]

It only took 4 units to saturate the market! :laugh:

Breaking ground with a new product is always an assumed risk, and a minimal one I was more than willing to take. The whole creative process is an exciting adventure. :smile:


Greg

[tooter]

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[malibuguy]

Ill buy one after my annerversery for sure. If I bought it now wifey will kill me...

[tooter]

Ill buy one after my annerversery for sure. If I bought it now wifey will kill me...

If you did, she'd use it like brass knuckles! :laugh:




Greg

[CrankyOldMan]

It only took 4 units to saturate the market! :laugh:

Breaking ground with a new product is always an assumed risk, and a minimal one I was more than willing to take. The whole creative process is an exciting adventure. :smile:


Greg

Yeah, I pretty much did that with the Blitz gaskets. I'm sure the glovebox gauge panel will fare about the same.

That said, would there be any point to trying to combine this with a supercharger?

[tooter]

Yeah, I pretty much did that with the Blitz gaskets. I'm sure the glovebox gauge panel will fare about the same.

That said, would there be any point to trying to combine this with a supercharger?

I don't believe it would be of any benefit, Cranky...

Longer intake runners increasing low end torque relates to normally aspirated induction where the action of the intake valves abruptly closing creates pressure waves that travel back and forth in the intake runners. When the timing of those pulses is altered because they have farther to travel the torque peak becomes shifted down lower in the rpm range.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b90/compost_bin/car/beforeandafterspacer2_zps6a51b60b.jpg

As you can see, the effect on horsepower is essentially zero, and the torque increase is only +3. Almost all of the benefit is from the torque peak being reached 400 rpm sooner, at 3,650 instead of 4,050.

Putting an active pump between the throttle body and the head not only interrupts those pulses, but the fact that it is already pressuring the incoming air renders the value of timing of those pulses irrelevant.

Bottom line: What you already have is lightyears better than any spacer, so it is impossible for the spacer to make it any better. :thumbsup:


Greg

[CrankyOldMan]

Damn you Helmholtz!! =)

[j-san]

This spacer looks pretty neat. How easy is it to install? Looks like you just remove the decorative engine cover, remove the original manifold screws, pull the manifold out a little, slip the spacer in and bolt it back down with the longer screws? Sounds like some hoses may need replacing with longer ones?

[tooter]

This spacer looks pretty neat. How easy is it to install? Looks like you just remove the decorative engine cover, remove the original manifold screws, pull the manifold out a little, slip the spacer in and bolt it back down with the longer screws? Sounds like some hoses may need replacing with longer ones?

Yes. Some of the hoses do need to be longer because the whole intake manifold with the throttle body is moved towards the front of the car 2 inches. But as far as the spacer itself, it simply bolts on using the longer threaded studs and nuts that come with it.

The stock rubber intake hose will deflect enough to fit the new location of the throttle body. If you have an aftermarket intake, you'll need to find a way shift it around to fit.

The spacer uses exactly the same O ring gasket as the stock intake manifold to make a reliable no-leak seal...

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b90/compost_bin/car/IMG_8080_zps7b987450.jpg

It's not a high performance part because it doesn't do anything for your top end. But the longer intake runners do allow the engine to pull stronger at low rpms which is nice in normal everyday driving.


Greg

[j-san]

That's what my Yaris is - a daily driver. Some reports suggest a slight MPG increase which would be much appreciated. Mods that can increase mileage and power are rather interesting to me. I don't plan to do major mods to upset the great mileage I've been getting.

I plan on keeping the stock airbox so it's good to know the two are compatible. Does it come with a gasket or do I reuse the original one?

[tooter]

That's what my Yaris is - a daily driver. Some reports suggest a slight MPG increase which would be much appreciated. Mods that can increase mileage and power are rather interesting to me. I don't plan to do major mods to upset the great mileage I've been getting.

I plan on keeping the stock airbox so it's good to know the two are compatible. Does it come with a gasket or do I reuse the original one?

Same here... :smile: Ours is my wife's daily driver so all of the engine internals and ECU stay stock with no tuning, so it's rock solid reliable and runs on cheap 87 octane gas.

The stock air boot is a stretch, but it will work as it is.

The original O ring gasket stays right where it is on your stock manifold so that it can seal when it's bolted onto the spacer. It'll be like this...

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b90/compost_bin/car/IMG_7696_zps464d3449.jpg

One gasket between the manifold and the spacer and one gasket between the spacer and the head.

As far as gas mileage, our 2012 5 speed hatchback is EPA rated at:

30 mpg City
33 mpg Combined
38 mpg Highway

The average gas mileage for the last three fillups with the tooter I.V spacer is 37.3 mpg...

...and this is even with no freeway driving and my wife over revs the engine. :rolleyes:


Greg

[tooter]

I'm down to the last one now...

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b90/compost_bin/car/IMG_7775_zps920ba029.jpg

$265 includes domestic US shipping

PayPal: greggabi@verizon.net


Greg Mamishian
21444 Entrada Road
Topanga, CA 90290
310-455-3340
greggabi@verizon.net

[tooter]

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[tooter]

That last one sold a while ago so I had six more made. They're in stock and ready to ship. :smile:

Greg

[TommyYaris]

Hey Tooter,

The spacer looks like a well crafted component. Is there any extra cost to ship north of the border? Calgary, AB Canada to be exact. I'm not current on exchange rates either so do you know what $295 USD is in CAD?

[japle]

how much does it cost to ship it to malaysia?

[thebarber]

makes me wish i still had a yaris

[ezhacker1]

ill be holding onto my forever and forever. such a rare part made from an awesome man.

[MedMantle]

I joined the scene too late so I never even knew :(

[invader166]

Wow! $265 is a great deal! If i was to try and fabricate one, it would cost me at least $300+, not including mounting hardware and gaskets.

[MugenRep]

Are there future plans for more production?

[CrankyOldMan]

Are there future plans for more production?

No, Tooter has done all of his projects as limited production runs with no intention of long-term availability. They were all "science projects" that he put into small production runs to spread the cost of the development and manufacturing over a dozen or so parts.

If you have local manufacturing capabilities, you may be able to use the 1ZZ to 1NZ flange I posted in another thread. (Also a Tooter project, that I helped develop)