Tein Basic Damper Coliey's Vs. Tein S. Tech Springs

[ToTo]

Hi guys! Im gonna have a lot of questions, sorry about that, I would just like to know...

Currently I'm on basic T-Sport shocks and TTE springs. Im satisfied with the ride comfort, which is not harsh and not bouncy at all, but I'm unsatisfied with the level of drop which in my opinion is not -3cm as promised, but rather close to -2cm/-2.5cm instead. I would like it to be lower and fill in the remaining gap in the arches...

I'm thinking about the Tein coilovers or the Tein springs. What are the pro's and con's of both setups? What is the level of drop of the coilovers? If I get the coilovers and drop the car all the way down, then would I have to get a camber kit or anything else to strengthen the suspension? Would the coilovers in the long run cause any damage to anything if I leave the car low or drop it all the way? How do I know on coilovers the level of drop when switching height, is there something which marks the level when I switch height? What is the best height to have the car on coilovers to be safe? How is the ride comfort compared, is it bouncy or harsh? Is it easy or difficult to change the ride height, can it be done rather easily, do I just have to jack up the car and use the forks and thats it? Will I need the arches to be curled so the tires don't rub? Would I need allignment everytime I switch the height?

With the springs, I know in the front it would be around -3.5cm and -3.8cm in the rear. How is the ride comfort compared to stock and TTE perhaps? How about the Tein springs with the stock T-Sport dampers in the long run, will it cause the dampers to leak or go out?

I know there is a large difference in price, but which is better overall, I would like to keep running 15's and would not like to rub, would arches need to be curled or rolled on either setup? Most importantly though, I dont want to bounce up and down like a rubber ball or a yoyo with either setup.

Does anybody have experience with the Tein Basic coilovers, is it bouncy or harsh at all for everyday use? How about just the Tein S. Tech Springs?

Thanks!

[Blenjar]

OH sweet, good topic..i want to know too.

-- Blen

[largeorangefont]

Tein Basics are great for everyday use. The only con is the added cost, but they ride great, and handle very good on the street.

My experience with S techs is that they are generally too soft. In the yaris that may not be the case, since it has soft dampning to begin with. I'm sure they will ride well, but may have a bit more body roll than other springs. I'm not sure how much of a handling benefit you are looking for VS. asthetics.

[aucorium]

wasup guys

im gonna be investing in a set of coilover Tein system soon.I am selling them aswell , so when i have it installed , i'll let you guys know.

check my site out ... www.jdmtuner.co.za

[ToTo]

wasup guys

im gonna be investing in a set of coilover Tein system soon.I am selling them aswell , so when i have it installed , i'll let you guys know.

check my site out ... www.jdmtuner.co.za

Great! Your going to buy them and then sell them? A little off topic, but by the way, since your in South Africa, do you have the Dastek Unichip installed? I think thats where the headquarters are, right?

[largeorangefont]

Yea I want to know about the unichip as well! I might have to go through the US distributor though. They are in Oregon.

[Kaotic Lazagna]

i just installed the S.Tech's in my S. the ride's not that much stiffer (would like it to be more stiff). the times where i can notice a difference is in cornering. i don't feel any body roll. then again, i also got the Tanabe strut bar and TRD shocks...

[jamal1984]

i want to lowered my sedan s down about 1.5 to 1.9 inches but still want to keep the feel as it now (i mean not bouncy) any idea? S Tein Springs plus TRD Shock?

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[Kaotic Lazagna]

i want to lowered my sedan s down about 1.5 to 1.9 inches but still want to keep the feel as it now (i mean not bouncy) any idea? S Tein Springs plus TRD Shock?

my friends think this combination is bumpy (this is what i have now). myself, i want it to be a little more stiffer/bouncy. although, you can really feel pot-holes and cracks on the road with this combo.

[jamal1984]

my friends think this combination is bumpy (this is what i have now). myself, i want it to be a little more stiffer/bouncy. although, you can really feel pot-holes and cracks on the road with this combo.

whoo, thanks for telling me before i'm going out there and get one.

[Kaotic Lazagna]

whoo, thanks for telling me before i'm going out there and get one.

i made a review of the TEIN, TRD, and Tanabe parts that i have. you can read it and see if it further helps you.

[Toymaniac]

My 2 cents on those setups...


Ok it was not on a yaris but rather on a Echo Hatchback (970kg)

I had koni yellow with s-tech spring that set up was way to soft

then had some tein ha/ss those were great only thing even 4kg an 3.1kg springs were still to soft... in my taste...

now the yaris is a bit overweight compared to the echo..so i'm just presuming that for my taste the tein basic will be to soft

this is why i'm looking more towards the megan coilovers...


overall tough Tein is a very good product to have on your car :thumbsup:

[ToTo]

My 2 cents on those setups...


Ok it was not on a yaris but rather on a Echo Hatchback (970kg)

I had koni yellow with s-tech spring that set up was way to soft

then had some tein ha/ss those were great only thing even 4kg an 3.1kg springs were still to soft... in my taste...

now the yaris is a bit overweight compared to the echo..so i'm just presuming that for my taste the tein basic will be to soft

this is why i'm looking more towards the megan coilovers...


overall tough Tein is a very good product to have on your car :thumbsup:

Do you think the Tein Basic coilovers will bounce and be rough for everyday driving or do you think they will be ok since their kind of soft? Unfortunately, there is a lot of uneven pavement, cracks, bumps and potholes around here so I hope tha Tein Basic wont make me bounce around like a rubber ball or yoyo...

[Toymaniac]

Do you think the Tein Basic coilovers will bounce and be rough for everyday driving or do you think they will be ok since their kind of soft? Unfortunately, there is a lot of uneven pavement, cracks, bumps and potholes around here so I hope tha Tein Basic wont make me bounce around like a rubber ball or yoyo...

they would be very good for your application :wink:

[ToTo]

they would be very good for your application :wink:

Thanks a lot! :wink:

[hystria]

at 4K in front, the basic coilovers will be quite stiff especially with those non-adjustable shocks. nice on quality roads, but will make you feel every road imperfection if there are some. too bad tein doesn't sell SS coilovers for Yaris :frown:

[ToTo]

at 4K in front, the basic coilovers will be quite stiff especially with those non-adjustable shocks. nice on quality roads, but will make you feel every road imperfection if there are some. too bad tein doesn't sell SS coilovers for Yaris :frown:

Do you have the Basic Damper setup? If I feel every road imperfection, do you also mean the ride quality will be very harsh and very uncomfortable and bouncy, or it will be just a bit harsher than stock?

[hystria]

the stock ride has a kind of "smooth" feeling - call this a comfort zone - that is immediately lost with every lowering springs. That said, I had the Tanabe NF's - 2.5K in front, they are somehow harsh of course, now figure out what could be two times that...

Here's a review of the basic coilovers, on a Acura TL:

"my feedback is based on a conservative drop, tight two finger gap in the front and a tight two finger gap in the back. I guess you could say a 1.25" gap all around.

Overall, I really enjoy this new set up. If your looking for a sportier feel and don't mind a little more bounce then this is for you. If you have kids and wanna keep a stock ride feel then this is NOT for you.

other than the drop, the biggest improvement with the tein basic coilover is the handling. I am not exxagerating when I say this but the car is a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT CAR in terms of handling. It feels NOTHING like the former stock suspension, the "boatride" feel is gone, the "delay" in response is gone. You can change lanes quickly and you can make tight sharp turns (as if it was a civic), you can make round about free way on ramp, off ramp exits and entrances swiftly and quickly without any drag and delay. The feel of your calling falling off the road is now GONE.

The only drawback to the tein basic coilovers is the overall increase in "bounce". You will feel every bump and hump of the road and your car will re-act to it. if the road is smooth then it feels great but if the road is rough then you will feel it. I think the tein SS with adjustable damper can fix this issue.

Overall - I like it, the trade offs are totally worth it. If I knew the tein SS with adjustable damper would lessen the bounce then that would be my primary choice."

[eTiMaGo]

I'd agree with the above review. I have the Super Compact coilovers on mine, which have adjustable damping. Overall, the ride is very rough compared to stock, but you can tweak it to be quite acceptable.
And yeah, although I don't remember too well how the car handled stock, it is really quite responsive now.

[ToTo]

Thanks guys for the help!

I contacted Tein and this is some of what they had to say about the Tein Basic coilovers...

These kind of kits may seem a little harsh for the street, but with the matched dampers, it will not give you a bouncy ride.

Since the Basic kit comprises of a matched spring and damper setup, the ride quality will be a lot smoother than having to pair lowering springs with another brand performance damper. The ride will be stiffer, though, and many people not familiar with high performance suspension consider that as bouncy- it's just stiffer, not bouncy.

We also redesigned the dampers to maintain proper stroke length, even at low ride heights. So ride quality over uneven road surfaces can still be maintained.

I cannot guarantee that you will be happy with the ride as all
customers perceptions are different, but the intention of the kit
is for road use.

This means that some forgiving absorption is built into the
coilover.

So if the coilovers have matched damping in the shocks then the ride quality will not really be harsh, bouncy or uncomfortable?

[largeorangefont]

Thats what I told you 2 weeks ago :wink:

[drifto]

how about tein springs on stock struts? ok idea or stupid idea?

[hystria]

tein coilovers
harsh: it will be, you will feel every imperfection on the road, and every bump will "hit" the car
bouncy: a little because the yaris HB it's a short car. sure less that the stock suspension whose shocks are of very poor quality, the stock suspension is very bouncy in my opinion
uncomfortable: it depends on you... have a seat on a F1 car then on a 67 caddy... not the same feeling :biggrin:

[largeorangefont]

how about tein springs on stock struts? ok idea or stupid idea?

they will be fine.

[TheBird]

Hello, new to the forum, but thought I might have some insight! I would steer clear of the S-techs. Your shocks will be gone within 10k. I have them on my Civic right now and a friend had them on a SW20 MR2. I would say get Tanabe, RSR, or any other spring other than super cheapos.

I dont know if they are available yet, but Koni Yellows and Ground Control sleeves would be killer on these cars.

[ToTo]

Tein S-techs are super cheapos?

[Kaotic Lazagna]

i don't think they are, they cost more than the Tanabe springs.

[largeorangefont]

Tein S-techs are super cheapos?

S techs are fine. They are usually softer than most other aftermarket springs.

[Kaotic Lazagna]

the ones i have are rated at 3.0 kg in the front and 3.5 kg in the rear. isn't that stiffer than both Tanabe springs?

[TheBird]

I have heard good things about the Tanabe GF210s( I think that is what they are). I forgot to mention, Eibachs are awesome springs.

[Imagine]

I ran Eibach Pro-Kits and Koni yellows on my Civic. The ride was pretty good. I put over 75K miles on that setup, now my friend has the car. You will not find a stock ride out of a performance setup, of course why would you want it? You will always get the best ride from buying a pair of shocks that are matched with the springs. If/when I decide to upgrade my suspension I'm sticking to coilovers. I like the ability to raise and lower the car if need be. If you want to get really technical and have the resources you can adjust the corner weights and really get is dialed in.

[ToTo]

Good info bro! So basically if Im getting the Tein Basic Damper coilover kit for the Yaris, which has shocks that are matched with the springs, then that will be the best ride I can get? It will be a decent ride then? I know it should be a bit harsher than stock, but not too bad?

I ordered my kit the other day...

[Imagine]

I don't see why it wouldn't be. Aslong as the shocks are valved for the springs you shouldn't have any problems with bounce. Of course, the fully adjustable SS would be better because you have a little more adjust ability to get them to match your driving style, but oh well. Don't be surprised, you will feel the bumps in the road. Especially if you run lower profile tires. Honestly though, I don't mind rough bumps near as much as body roll.

I made this mistake when I first put suspension on my civic. I went with a pair of Skunk2 coilover sleeves and Koni yellow shocks. What a mistake!!! The spring rate on the Skunks were to high and the Konis just couldn't keep up. After a few months I ditched them and went to the Eibachs. Ride quality was a million times better, but I always missed the ride height adjustment feature when I needed it.

A prime example of fantastically tuned suspension is the BMW. The ride is firm, but still very much performance oriented. The car begs to be whipped into corners.:drool:

Let us know how you like the Tein.

[ToTo]

Finally, got the Tein Basic coileys fitted today along with a 4 wheel alignment! Wow, the coileys are really super and great all in all! Im really happy with the ride comfort, not at all stiff as I thought they would be, a lot of you guys with your inputs and opinions were right, thanks guys for all your help! I would definitely recommend them to anyone looking into purchasing a set of coilovers for the Yaris, great piece of kit for sure!

[Imagine]

Cool! I'm glad you like them. That makes me want them even more now. I'm like you, I like a nice firm ride that is still comfortable. Did you take any pics?