What do you think about Russia and the Crimea. Interested in your opinion.

[MickZEL]

Everyone has an opinion is interesting that you say about these events, and chtovy think for yourself.

[BEEF]

I think the idea is more: if putin would take over one small area, what's to keep him from taking over other areas bordering russia (or even further).

I think it has more to do with the principle of the matter than what has actually happened. the assumption in the us is that the "vote" in crimea was biased at best and totally staged worst case.

Not starting a flame war or anything, just stating the perception as i see it.

[yougojay]

BEEF said it all pretty much. Give 'em an inch and they want/take a mile -
It's the principle of it all. Will Putin lose it & become another Hitler? Probably not, but look what happened with that situation. People say he/Russia wants a warm water port? Isn't there land in Russia already bordering the Black Sea? (from memory here...) This is all beyond the average citizen, in ANY country right now.
Politicians in the US are peeved because of this, and how many countries have we invaded or occupied lately?
Russia has been of interest to me lately over the years.
The Moscow Skyline is looking pretty awesome.

[MickZEL]

If you know the Crimea was Russian territory since 1783.

[nortonfb]

'If you know the Crimea was Russian territory since 1783'

I really don't think politics belongs on here, just me.
Steve

[why?]

the vote in Crimea was far more honest than the last few American elections, which are basically completely rigged at this point.

It is about time America starts paying attention to America, which is bankrupt and falling apart and the economy is terrible. Let the rest of the world do whatever it wants, at the rate we are going we aren't going to be able to take care of ourselves in a few years.

[yougojay]

the vote in Crimea was far more honest than the last few American elections, which are basically completely rigged at this point.

It is about time America starts paying attention to America, which is bankrupt and falling apart and the economy is terrible. Let the rest of the world do whatever it wants, at the rate we are going we aren't going to be able to take care of ourselves in a few years.
Hear...hear...this country is definitely doomed on the path we're going down. With all the $$$ we've spent all over the world (for what?) We could have an entirely new infrastructure, energy grid & a booming economy putting folks to work. I say let the world do what it wants, also. We can always keep it in check with a few warheads if need be.

[nookandcrannycar]

new infrastructure

.....or at least repaired. That's what we were told Obama's stimulus package was supposed to go toward....what a joke...largely went to benefit unions.

energy grid

What a mess. I'm glad Texas has its own grid.

booming economy putting folks to work

Cutting Taxes, approving the Keystone Pipeline, removing the restrictions on leases for drilling on federal lands, and creating a less burdensome regulatory environment would accomplish this without costing the government anything. During a debate with Mrs. "What difference, at this point, does it make" while striving to get the Dem. nomination for POTUS in 2008, Obama stopped trying to assert that increasing taxes was going to result in increased revenues to the federal government (he was losing to the person questioning him), and said that he would increase taxes out of a sense of fairness :rolleyes:.

[nookandcrannycar]

With all the $$$ we've spent all over the world (for what?)

I guess it depends on whether or not you think there is evil in the world or not. If you don't, and thus think everyone can be reasoned with in every, or almost every, situation (as many believe Obama and Mrs. "What difference, at this point, does it make" do), then you might think it is all a waste.

I despise Cheney (and am no fan of Bush), but unfortunately I think he's right. Intentionally reducing our might beyond a certain point leaves a power void that won't stay vacated and result in peace, it will be filled by another far less altruistic power. Unfortunately (not because why? is saying it, but because we are in the position we're in), I think why? is correct with most of his points. I agree, sadly, that the election in Crimea was more honest than at least the last election here in 2012. The point may have passed where we can be the 'best hope' power that we've been in the past. As why? implies, if we don't concentrate on our own well being, we won't be able to take care of ourselves in a few years. Economically, we are starting to look a bit like Japan. IMO, we should avoid that road if we can. For us, that road would end sooner with a darker outcome as we, among other reasons, aren't as proficient savers as the Japanese. We need to find a sweet spot where we are staying strong enough, but spending the least to do that. The resulting 'savings', even if minute, needs to be used in the most judicious manner possible. We who don't have positions of power in government or 'own' positions of power (and thus don't know more of 'the cards') can pretty much just hope.

[nookandcrannycar]

BEEF said it all pretty much. Give 'em an inch and they want/take a mile -
It's the principle of it all. Will Putin lose it & become another Hitler? Probably not, but look what happened with that situation. People say he/Russia wants a warm water port? Isn't there land in Russia already bordering the Black Sea? (from memory here...) This is all beyond the average citizen, in ANY country right now.
Politicians in the US are peeved because of this, and how many countries have we invaded or occupied lately?
Russia has been of interest to me lately over the years.
The Moscow Skyline is looking pretty awesome.

One of my best friends was married to a Russian woman for a few years. I attended the wedding. They were married in a Russian Orthodox church in the United States. I found the whole process quite interesting. We were both members of a folk dancing group. My friend (and some others, but not I) was also a member of a Russian folk dancing group. Another friend of mine (a native Korean who was raised in the U.S.) works for the U.S. Department of State, and has had multiple assignments there during his career (including Vladivostok and Moscow). My folk dancing friend's ex mother-in-law used to work for the Russian equivalent. I was having a conversation with her (in the U.S.) and mentioned my other friend. I stated his height (unusual), his country of birth/original nationality, and that he worked for the U.S. Department of State. Before I could say his name, SHE DID! She had had dealings with him. Small world.

Needless to say, I share your interest. I want to visit (I've been to some former Eastern Bloc countries), but I'll wait. If I could convince my friend the folk dancing nut to go with me I'd go whenever allowed and when he'd want to go (he speaks Russian pretty well).

[nookandcrannycar]

I think it's mostly about the naval base in Crimea . Not sure if there are gas pipelines that pass through Ukraine to supply Europe . If so , that's likely another reason . This scenario is somewhat similar to Germany hosting the Olympics and what followed . Hopefully that's not the case . I think my remembering history is correct :iono: .

IIRC, Germany is currently getting 30% or more of it's natural gas (mainly for heating) from Russia. If we (the U.S.) were producing at our potential, that would ease Germany's position, and might remove that chess piece Putin has on the board.

[why?]

Yes, a vast majority of Europe's oil is supplied through pipelines that run directly through Ukraine.

Russia really does need to make sure the little money it has coming in is guarded from terrorists. And Putin means it when he says he'll start using nukes if the terrorists attack.

[Hershey]

The new gov't in Ukraine could / could've possibly use extortion of Russia for the pipelines and the naval base or both . Maybe that has / had crossed the minds in Russia . I see Putin as the nuclear Napoleon . Difference is him being shirtless on a horse . Pleeeeeeeease :tongue: . Got to get that image out of my head :bonk: .

[bronsin]

To me the whole thing with Ukraine is the same as Czechoslovakia in 1937 with Hitler. Putin wont stop until he has Ukraine, Poland, Latvia, and every country once in the Soviet orbit back in the Russian orbit. He knows we wont go to war over it, as Hitler knew England and France wouldnt go to war over Czechoslovakia.

Much is made of Russias economic weakness. Obama says Russia is not playing from strength. Neither was Hitler. If we play the economic card with Putin he will do what Hitler did. Blame the result economic chaos on the Untied States and stir up Russians against Europe and the US. This plays right into his hands.

There is only one way to stop Putin as there was only one way to stop Hitler.

Kill him. :thumbsup:

Put a $10 million price on his head.

Incidentally the Chinese are doing the same thing. They claim to own the ocean up to the shores of Vietnam, the Philippines etc. The only way to stop them is kill them too.

Oh and BTW did you see there a petition in the Alaska senate with 30,000 signatures to secede Alaska to Russia? :eek:

Wonder where that came from...

[bronsin]

Did you know the President of the New England Patriots showed his Super Bowl to Putin at a party. Putin put it in his pocket and walked away.

The man is the head of Russia and he is a criminal.

That says it all.

[nookandcrannycar]

Yes, a vast majority of Europe's oil is supplied through pipelines that run directly through Ukraine.

Russia really does need to make sure the little money it has coming in is guarded from terrorists. And Putin means it when he says he'll start using nukes if the terrorists attack.

Yep.....and that people know he means it translates to a certain amount of credibility. I think Obama has a distorted view of what gives him (Obama) credibility and he has less than he thinks he does. His buddy Soros has said that Obama is the most arrogant person he's ever known in his life. Considering how arrogant Soros is, I think that speaks volumes. Among other input, a few months ago I had an hours long conversation with a young American woman who had just spent a year (as a student) at a business school in Germany. I asked her what is the general opinion people there have of Obama. She told me they think he is a joke.

[bronsin]

I asked her what is the general opinion people there have of Obama. She told me they think he is a joke.

Im not so sure although I dont think he's doing whats necessary to stand up to Putin.

He applied sanctions to Iran and got them to the bargaining table. Of course, theres no way they will stop building nukes. If Obama thinks they will, then yes he is a joke.

But if he keeps the Iranians feet to the fire then he did the right thing.

[nookandcrannycar]

To me the whole thing with Ukraine is the same as Czechoslovakia in 1937 with Hitler. Putin wont stop until he has Ukraine, Poland, Latvia, and every country once in the Soviet orbit back in the Russian orbit. He knows we wont go to war over it, as Hitler knew England and France wouldnt go to war over Czechoslovakia.

Much is made of Russias economic weakness. Obama says Russia is not playing from strength. Neither was Hitler. If we play the economic card with Putin he will do what Hitler did. Blame the result economic chaos on the Untied States and stir up Russians against Europe and the US. This plays right into his hands.

There is only one way to stop Putin as there was only one way to stop Hitler.

Kill him. :thumbsup:

Put a $10 million price on his head.

Incidentally the Chinese are doing the same thing. They claim to own the ocean up to the shores of Vietnam, the Philippines etc. The only way to stop them is kill them too.

Oh and BTW did you see there a petition in the Alaska senate with 30,000 signatures to secede Alaska to Russia? :eek:

Wonder where that came from...

Soros initially backed Hillary in 2008 (I hate to use her name...prefering to call her Mrs. "What difference, at this point, does it make" because that statement alone shows enough contempt and disrespect for the U.S. Military that she shouldn't be POTUS re that statement alone...and I'm not the only one who feels that way), but then called Obama to a private meeting at his office. After that meeting, Soros switched his support to Obama. Soros' father touted Esperanto, and wanted that to be the one world language. Let's just say his son has similar proclivities. It could be argued that Obama is sympathetic to these views. Obama either doesn't understand the concept of American Exceptionalism (not that we are a superior people or should show strength without reason, but that our VALUES (freedom, liberty, etc....which can be embraced by anyone) are superior), which I don't think is the case......or he doesn't think American values are exceptional (which I do think is the case). When asked about American Exceptionalism, Obama replied with a list of other counties and how their citizens feel about their own countries :rolleyes:....a passive agressive way of saying that he doesn't believe in American Exceptionalism, IMO. Obama has also openly admired how well the Chinese government controls the Chinese citizenry :rolleyes:. I think Obama and Soros are both trying to prove SOMETHING (????) and expand, in each case, on a fathers' MUCH less successful legacy.

We have some exceptionally bright young people in this country, but we also have many mushy idiots of many different ages who can't name the three branches of government. Last year a reporter visited the campus of a WELL RESPECTED university IN WASHINGTON D.C. The students were asked the name of the U.S. Secretary of State, and were also asked if they know what twerking is (think Miley Cyrus). Not one single student could give the correct answer (John Kerry), or even the previous office holder (Mrs. Clinton). However, EVERY SINGLE STUDENT could correctly identify twerking :rolleyes:. Within the last week, a different reporter visited The American University (also IN WASHINGTON D.C.). Students were asked to identify ONE sitting U.S. Senator, and to name the theme song from the movie Frozen. Only two of many students could name one senator, yet EVERY STUDENT could name the theme song from the movie Frozen :rolleyes:. During those same interviews at The American University, students were also asked how many Senators each state has...and only one student gave the correct answer of 2 :rolleyes::rolleyes:. One student answered 13....(right...we give each state a senator for each original colony :rolleyes:). I put IN WASHINGTON D.C. in caps because I think it is particularly sad that students there (the cradle of our federal government!) are so oblivious.

[nookandcrannycar]

I dont think he's doing whats necessary to stand up to Putin.

Neither do I.

If Obama thinks they will, then yes he is a joke.

But if he keeps the Iranians feet to the fire then he did the right thing.

I don't think Obama thinks they will, and I don't think he cares if they do. He cares about what his so called 'standing' is when he gets out of office. IMO, if he holds the Iranians feet to the fire, it will be to protect his 'standing'. I hesitate to use the term legacy because I think he only cares about getting to the point, financially, where Bill Clinton is today. I don't think anyone, male or female, should be POTUS unless they believe in American Exceptionalism and truly love this country (more than any other). Despite his sometimes warped way of showing this, I think both are true re Bill Clinton. I don't think either is true re Obama.

[nookandcrannycar]

Did you know the President of the New England Patriots showed his Super Bowl to Putin at a party. Putin put it in his pocket and walked away.

The man is the head of Russia and he is a criminal.

That says it all.

Also note the life of Roman Abramovich.....and Abramovich has a security staff (usually numbering at least 40) guarding him. Many people feel this is because so many people want to kill him.

[bronsin]

Soros initially backed Hillary in 2008 (I hate to use her name...prefering to call her Mrs. "What difference, at this point, does it make" because that statement alone shows enough contempt and disrespect for the U.S. Military that she shouldn't be POTUS re that statement alone...and I'm not the only one who feels that way), but then called Obama to a private meeting at his office. After that meeting, Soros switched his support to Obama. Soros' father touted Esperanto, and wanted that to be the one world language. Let's just say his son has similar proclivities. It could be argued that Obama is sympathetic to these views. Obama either doesn't understand the concept of American Exceptionalism (not that we are a superior people or should show strength without reason, but that our VALUES (freedom, liberty, etc....which can be embraced by anyone) are superior), which I don't think is the case......or he doesn't think American values are exceptional (which I do think is the case). When asked about American Exceptionalism, Obama replied with a list of other counties and how their citizens feel about their own countries :rolleyes:....a passive agressive way of saying that he doesn't believe in American Exceptionalism, IMO. Obama has also openly admired how well the Chinese government controls the Chinese citizenry :rolleyes:. I think Obama and Soros are both trying to prove SOMETHING (????) and expand, in each case, on a fathers' MUCH less successful legacy.

We have some exceptionally bright young people in this country, but we also have many mushy idiots of many different ages who can't name the three branches of government. Last year a reporter visited the campus of a WELL RESPECTED university IN WASHINGTON D.C. The students were asked the name of the U.S. Secretary of State, and were also asked if they know what twerking is (think Miley Cyrus). Not one single student could give the correct answer (John Kerry), or even the previous office holder (Mrs. Clinton). However, EVERY SINGLE STUDENT could correctly identify twerking :rolleyes:. Within the last week, a different reporter visited The American University (also IN WASHINGTON D.C.). Students were asked to identify ONE sitting U.S. Senator, and to name the theme song from the movie Frozen. Only two of many students could name one senator, yet EVERY STUDENT could name the theme song from the movie Frozen :rolleyes:. During those same interviews at The American University, students were also asked how many Senators each state has...and only one student gave the correct answer of 2 :rolleyes::rolleyes:. One student answered 13....(right...we give each state a senator for each original colony :rolleyes:). I put IN WASHINGTON D.C. in caps because I think it is particularly sad that students there (the cradle of our federal government!) are so oblivious.

Hmm there are lots of goofy people in this country with wacked out ideas. I dont know this guy Soros but I suspect you are right about him. Although I dont know what he stands for.

Allow me to digress!

My neightbor across the street in the 60s was a NYS Supream Counrt Judge. He went to Yale So did his older son Paul. I was friends with his younger son John. Paul was in the Weather Underground. Which means he was a terrorist. He cornered John and I in Johns room in 1967 when I was 11and tried to shove down our throats that the people running our country were assholes and they, the SDS, were going to change that. And he said if the governemnt wouldnt change, they would blow it up.

I thought This Guy Is The Asshole. He wants to kill people. From that moment on I had no respect for the antiwar movement or the left wing in general. Although Im sure they have their points.

In college (I went to St Johns College a liberal arts college with The Great Books Program) and when we read The Communist Mainfesto and Das Kapital I thought: this is the same thing as Mein Kampf! And said so. I was not popular with the left leaning professors there!

I guess the young people you describe who dont know JK is Sec of State are just putty in these peoples hands. I saw Hillary and Bill being interviewed by Jimmy Kimmel and a young lady for up and said to Hillary "If you dont run for President who will?" (as a woman) And Hillary said "Lady right now I think our country has bigger problems than who the next woman President is going to be."

Which I take as a good sign! I think shell be tougher on Putin that Obama.

[MickZEL]

Yes guys. I see you are well brainwashed.
Putin did not say anything about when to demonstrate how nuclear weapons.
Everyone understands that a nuclear weapon is the death of everything.
All the chaos in Ukraine is just good business proplacheny.
Russia sells its gas to Europe, America, too, wants to sell its gas.
After the imposition of sanctions against Russia, America offers its services immediately europe gas sales.

[bronsin]

Yes guys. I see you are well brainwashed.
Putin did not say anything about when to demonstrate how nuclear weapons.
Everyone understands that a nuclear weapon is the death of everything.
All the chaos in Ukraine is just good business proplacheny.
Russia sells its gas to Europe, America, too, wants to sell its gas.
After the imposition of sanctions against Russia, America offers its services immediately europe gas sales.

The USA has absolutely no infrastructure in place to sell gas to Europe and Europe no intrastructure to receive it. These facilities would cost hundreds of billions of dollars. Furthermore, the gas would have to be converted into LNG and shipped in tankers. If one of the tankers blows up (or the storge facilities in the US or Europe blows up) it will be with the force of an atomic bomb. So everyonce concerned is understandably reluctant to either ship or buy gas from the US.

GAs sales from the US to Europe arent happening.

Get it?

[nookandcrannycar]

The Great Books Program

Brings back memories. I spent 2 years at St. Mary's College of California (before transferring into the UC (University of California) system). St. Mary's modeled their programs (both Seminar and Integral) around The Great Books Program at St. John's. My father always had great respect for the Basketball program at St. John's. The only fault he found with St. Johns and also St. Mary's was who founded each institution. He would have been happy if all Catholic Post-secondary institutions had been founded by the Society of Jesus :biggrin: (he was an SI (St. Ignatius College Prep) and USF (University of San Francisco) alum). He often said 'the Jesuits teach you how to think'. From the late 1980s to the present, when I have thought about St. John's, one name has been a constant.....Chris Mullin.

[why?]

Yes guys. I see you are well brainwashed.
Putin did not say anything about when to demonstrate how nuclear weapons.
Everyone understands that a nuclear weapon is the death of everything.
All the chaos in Ukraine is just good business proplacheny.
Russia sells its gas to Europe, America, too, wants to sell its gas.
After the imposition of sanctions against Russia, America offers its services immediately europe gas sales.

Ask the Japanese if the nuke was "the death of everything." They admit not only was it not, but it saved countless millions from dying needlessly.

Putin vows to nuke mecca. (http://ncrenegade.com/editorial/putin-vows-to-nuke-mecca/) Boom. I hope he does it.

America wants nothing to do with selling any of its resources. The idiot in chief has made in nearly impossible to get any resources out of the ground.

the idiot in chiefs sanctions not only did nothing, they made it look like a total absolute moron. Not only is obama a total joke, all of the USA is too for voting for one of the dumbest human beings in history.

[nookandcrannycar]

Ask the Japanese if the nuke was "the death of everything." They admit not only was it not, but it saved countless millions from dying needlessly.

Putin vows to nuke mecca. (http://ncrenegade.com/editorial/putin-vows-to-nuke-mecca/) Boom. I hope he does it.

America wants nothing to do with selling any of its resources. The idiot in chief has made in nearly impossible to get any resources out of the ground.

the idiot in chiefs sanctions not only did nothing, they made it look like a total absolute moron. Not only is obama a total joke, all of the USA is too for voting for one of the dumbest human beings in history.

....and I just did a search based on a radio report I heard earlier today (which sort of relates to your third paragraph) :

http://beforeitsnews.com/obama/2014/03/fact-sheet-climate-action-plan-strategy-to-cut-methane-emissions-2462146.html

:rolleyes: 6 short paragraphs of a** kissing propaganda before the author gets to the subject of the headline in the 7th paragraph :rolleyes:. I can see bureaucrats at the EPA already licking their chops.

[yougojay]

Yes guys. I see you are well brainwashed.

We're ALL brainwashed, just some more than others
We're ALL crazy, just some more than others
Yes, let Putin nuke Mecca, now that would be interesting...
Yes, our commander in grief is an idiot...
Yes, most of the youth of today are really stupid...

But it's FRIDAY :headbang: &
I'm making burritos & spring veggie cheddar rice for dinner :headbang:

[nookandcrannycar]

We're ALL brainwashed, just some more than others
We're ALL crazy, just some more than others
Yes, let Putin nuke Mecca, now that would be interesting...
Yes, our commander in grief is an idiot...
Yes, most of the youth of today are really stupid...

But it's FRIDAY :headbang: &
I'm making burritos & spring veggie cheddar rice for dinner :headbang:

:laugh::clap: Posts like this remind me why I enjoy spending time in the Sierra Nevada Mountains....the beauty of the surroundings dominates my consciousness (and keeps me from thinking about the unsustainable path we're on (the country, not me personally)).

[nookandcrannycar]

The USA has absolutely no infrastructure in place to sell gas to Europe and Europe no intrastructure to receive it. These facilities would cost hundreds of billions of dollars. Furthermore, the gas would have to be converted into LNG and shipped in tankers.

GAs sales from the US to Europe arent happening.

:thumbsup: Earlier today, a portfolio manager I listen to said the same thing.

[yougojay]

:thumbsup: Earlier today, a portfolio manager I listen to said the same thing.

We can't (won't) get this energy out of the ground for our US
citizens, let alone anyone else in the world. :iono:

[yougojay]

:laugh::clap: Posts like this remind me why I enjoy spending time in the Sierra Nevada Mountains....the beauty of the surroundings dominates my consciousness (and keeps me from thinking about the unsustainable path we're on (the country, not me personally)).

Yeah, I could sit here all day writing & bitching about all this crap going on, but it does no good. It's out of our hands. The few are screwing it up for the rest of us all. All you can do is vote for the "Least Idiot" & hope for the best!
We usually have a TV on for background noise all day long. Some days we have CNN or Fox or some blah...blah...blah...news channel on all day. I swear, 99 & 44/100% of it goes in one ear and out the other. I'm sitting here working on the computer and whatnot, the drone of the morons talking on the news channels is sort of, well, soothing. Maybe it's from working at my wonderful law firm for all those years, all that boring, err, soothing lawyer talk!
My time now is sitting on the little back balcony here, over-looking our forested acreage and taking in the scenery and wildlife. There's a big 'ol Dr. JB's Hummingbird feeder hanging there (one of 3 around the house) & the little buggers are there constantly. We have deer, raccoons, possum, bigfoot:eek: all sorts of birds...It's SO NICE here now, compared to the Capitol Hill rat race.

[nookandcrannycar]

We can't (won't) get this energy out of the ground for our US
citizens, let alone anyone else in the world. :iono:

Won't. A result of the prevailing ideology within the administration, coupled with pressure from greenies outside the administration.

[yougojay]

Won't. A result of the prevailing ideology within the administration, coupled with pressure from greenies outside the administration.

Yes, Not much of anything is going to happen in this country until we have a change in the administration as the current makes most of the country want to :barf:

[nookandcrannycar]

Maybe it's from working at my wonderful law firm for all those years, all that boring, err, soothing lawyer talk!

You were very fortunate. Some might claim 'soothing lawyer' is an oxymoron :biggrin:.

[Hershey]

They're exporting natural gas from Texas and expect it to rise . So don't get your hopes up for cheaper heating and electric bills . More money in shipping it out , so the commercials on TV about lower bills is bull .

[nookandcrannycar]

They're exporting natural gas from Texas and expect it to rise . So don't get your hopes up for cheaper heating and electric bills . More money in shipping it out , so the commercials on TV about lower bills is bull .

Ugh. Electricity is deregulated here. This is usually a good thing. One can search on powertochoose.org and pick from many different contracts with many different variables (% of renewables, length of contract, minimum usage to get a particular kwh rate, etc.). Some people constantly monitor the ever changing offers on powertochoose.org and pick their contract length accordingly. Those people probably save the most overall. I just pick among the 1 year contracts...less hassle. My house has the Energy Star rating. I also hired an unaffiliated inspector (before the lot was graded). He did an inspection after each 'phase'. I was able to make sure even small things were corrected. I rarely have to turn on the heat. I leave the A/C on pretty much all summer, and my bill is always pretty low. My current contract expires on May 7th (IIRC). I'd hoped to be able to lock in a lower rate (with my current contract, I gave up a little on the rate in order to get 'Free Sundays'.....this didn't work out very well). Given the above, 'my lower rate' is probably a pipe dream.

[MickZEL]

On Saturday, November 10, 2012 in 15 states have addressed the Obama administration to withdraw from the United States to establish their own government .


States after this action include: Louisiana, Texas, Montana, North Dakota , Indiana, Mississippi , Kentucky, North Carolina, Alabama, Florida, Georgia, New Jersey, Colorado, Oregon and New York . These states have demanded that the Obama administration has granted the right to a peaceful outcome to the United States.

These petitions were filed in just a few days after the 2012 presidential election .

Louisiana became the first state petition . It was recorded the day after the election , Mr. Michael E. of Slidell, Louisiana. Texas was the next state , followed by a petition from Mr. Micah H. from Arlington , Texas.

Government allocates one month from the date of submission of the application to collect 25,000 signatures to the Obama administration to consider the request.

This article I found on the Internet. Is that true?

[nookandcrannycar]

On Saturday, November 10, 2012 in 15 states have addressed the Obama administration to withdraw from the United States to establish their own government .


States after this action include: Louisiana, Texas, Montana, North Dakota , Indiana, Mississippi , Kentucky, North Carolina, Alabama, Florida, Georgia, New Jersey, Colorado, Oregon and New York . These states have demanded that the Obama administration has granted the right to a peaceful outcome to the United States.

These petitions were filed in just a few days after the 2012 presidential election .

Louisiana became the first state petition . It was recorded the day after the election , Mr. Michael E. of Slidell, Louisiana. Texas was the next state , followed by a petition from Mr. Micah H. from Arlington , Texas.

Government allocates one month from the date of submission of the application to collect 25,000 signatures to the Obama administration to consider the request.

This article I found on the Internet. Is that true?

It doesn't matter......not going to happen. Just like some people wanting to impeach Obama......not going to happen.

Re Texas.....The U.S. needs Texas, and Texas needs (as a whole) the U.S.

There are over 3,000 counties in the United States. I live in Montgomery County, Texas. It is directly north of Harris County, which contains the city of Houston. Many consider Montgomery the most conservative county in Texas (the last time the Democrat nominee for POTUS captured more than 50 % of the vote was in 1964). Some consider it the 3rd most conservative county in the United States (after #1 Willamson County, Tennessee (southwest of Nashville....which is also the wealthiest county in the U.S., re per capita income when adjusted for cost of living) and #2 Gwinnett County, Georgia (east of Atlanta)).

Part of Montgomery County is rural, but it also has a large corporate presence. Population wise, Between 2000 and 2010 (Census years here in the U.S.), Montgomery County was the 24th fastest growing county in the United States. The Woodlands grew at an even faster rate during that period than the county as a whole. In 2000, among the places with the highest median household income in the U.S. with a population of 50,000 or more, The Woodlands was # 13 . IIRC, among the 'Relovilles' in the U.S., The Woodlands is second to #1 Alpharetta, Georgia re the number of residents born out of state (at 58 %).

The point I'm trying to make is that people from all over, engaged in many different endeavors, live here in Montgomery County -- and that it is a very pro-growth, pro-business place.

Why illustrate this? I think a mixture of what I have illustrated drives a frustration that needed an outlet.

What was the outlet? The day after the 2012 election I visited the United States Postal Service office in The Woodlands Town Center (I needed to mail a package). There is a law/regulation (State? Federal?) that signs pertaining to Politics (and perhaps other issues) must be a certain distance away from a 'Public' place. At that time I was conscious of that distance (I no longer remember the measurement...it was mentioned in a newspaper article). Near the Post Office (a few inches on the correct side of what was permissible) was a poster of Obama with a Hitler style moustache drawn on his upper lip. No text. Just the picture.

[bronsin]

They're exporting natural gas from Texas and expect it to rise . So don't get your hopes up for cheaper heating and electric bills . More money in shipping it out , so the commercials on TV about lower bills is bull .


Probably but theres still the problem that exports cant grow as much as big oil would like it to without the infrastructure necessary for it.

Which is why we ALL need to drive cars that get 35 mpg and NOT 20 mpg!


















probably.

[bronsin]

On Saturday, November 10, 2012 in 15 states have addressed the Obama administration to withdraw from the United States to establish their own government .


States after this action include: Louisiana, Texas, Montana, North Dakota , Indiana, Mississippi , Kentucky, North Carolina, Alabama, Florida, Georgia, New Jersey, Colorado, Oregon and New York . These states have demanded that the Obama administration has granted the right to a peaceful outcome to the United States.

These petitions were filed in just a few days after the 2012 presidential election .

Louisiana became the first state petition . It was recorded the day after the election , Mr. Michael E. of Slidell, Louisiana. Texas was the next state , followed by a petition from Mr. Micah H. from Arlington , Texas.

Government allocates one month from the date of submission of the application to collect 25,000 signatures to the Obama administration to consider the request.

This article I found on the Internet. Is that true?

Probably. But these people are idiots. Yes 25,000 signed a petition to seceed.

But the rest of the 20,000,000 in each state DIDNT sign it!

And in your country if you did such a thing you get put in the gulag! :eek:

Putin is getting your country in a lot of trouble with the rest of the world. 100 nations in the UN voted to condem Russia's action in Ukrain. 60 voted to abstain. Yet the forgiegn minister said "This looks promising for us and we expect more people to join us." He is seriously wrong about that!

Leave the Ukrainians alone. You can still have access to the naval base in the Crimea.If Russia keeps it up no one will invest there. Youre already out of the G8. Youre going to be on the outside looking in with no where to grow your economy.

[yougojay]

You were very fortunate. Some might claim 'soothing lawyer' is an oxymoron :biggrin:.

LOL! Gosh I miss that place, it was sooooooo cool working there. It was a lot of work, but there was food all the time, everywhere. 2 Main kitchens, 14 satellite kitchens, I could go on and on. So many cool people and what a learning experience. Ah, memories :wub:
Believe me, trials are NOT like what you see on Law & Order :bellyroll:

[yougojay]

Yeah, We need Texas for SURE! It's the only state that has any balls :headbang:
I remember all the 'occupy' protesters in DC before we left town in July 2010 - It was a mess...I mean literally, they were all a mess! Sleeping everywhere, camping out on cardboard and crap, my gosh, hope all of you made a difference (NOT) Nice to watch all this s**t going on from the comfort of the home office in a house in the country...

[nookandcrannycar]

LOL!
Believe me, trials are NOT like what you see on Law & Order :bellyroll:

LOL. I know. There are too many attorneys in my family (many types represented.....big firm corporate, prosecuting, and public defenders, lone wolves (so to speak) in private practice). I wish we had more doctors, business owners, and investors in the family (not that we don't have any, I just wish we had more).

[nookandcrannycar]

Yeah, We need Texas for SURE! It's the only state that has any balls :headbang:
I remember all the 'occupy' protesters in DC before we left town in July 2010 - It was a mess...I mean literally, they were all a mess! Sleeping everywhere, camping out on cardboard and crap, my gosh, hope all of you made a difference (NOT) Nice to watch all this s**t going on from the comfort of the home office in a house in the country...

:laugh::clap: You are a hoot! I hope your wife appreciates your positive attitude. My aunt has always said that the best thing about being married to my uncle is that she always knows she shares her life with someone who is cheery and looks at life with a positive attitude (and my uncle does NOT like liberals :biggrin:). My grandfather was the same way. My grandfather owned his own business, and when he started it he made his brother his junior partner (after paying for his own college education and the same for his brother). Their employees called them The Smiling Mr. _______ and The Frowning Mr.________ (my grandfather was, of course, The Smiling One :thumbsup:).

[nookandcrannycar]

Which is why we ALL need to drive cars that get 35 mpg and NOT 20 mpg!

I agree, but I would say should instead of need. Need is a dangerous word. Fewer government fingers in a pie is better than more fingers, IMO.

Re insufficient infrastructure, on our end it would create a lot of manufacturing jobs to build that infrastructure, but of course that would be a complete waste without companion infrastructure at the port, etc. on other end.













probably.[/QUOTE]

[nookandcrannycar]

Probably. But these people are idiots. Yes 25,000 signed a petition to seceed.

But the rest of the 20,000,000 in each state DIDNT sign it!

And in your country if you did such a thing you get put in the gulag! :eek:

Putin is getting your country in a lot of trouble with the rest of the world. 100 nations in the UN voted to condem Russia's action in Ukrain. 60 voted to abstain. Yet the forgiegn minister said "This looks promising for us and we expect more people to join us." He is seriously wrong about that!

Leave the Ukrainians alone. You can still have access to the naval base in the Crimea.If Russia keeps it up no one will invest there. Youre already out of the G8. Youre going to be on the outside looking in with no where to grow your economy.

:laugh::thumbsup::clap: You are a great mix of being pointed, focused, and blunt......with tremendous humor injected that accentuates all three. Don't change! (Could you, even if you wanted to :biggrin:?....Naaaah). The world needs more of this.

[bronsin]

:laugh::thumbsup::clap: You are a great mix of being pointed, focused, and blunt......with tremendous humor injected that accentuates all three. Don't change! (Could you, even if you wanted to :biggrin:?....Naaaah). The world needs more of this.

The world can get more of that by buying my book The Storys at Outskirtspress.com or look on Amazon or Nook! :thumbup:

[MickZEL]

Probably. But these people are idiots. Yes 25,000 signed a petition to seceed.

But the rest of the 20,000,000 in each state DIDNT sign it!

And in your country if you did such a thing you get put in the gulag! :eek:

Putin is getting your country in a lot of trouble with the rest of the world. 100 nations in the UN voted to condem Russia's action in Ukrain. 60 voted to abstain. Yet the forgiegn minister said "This looks promising for us and we expect more people to join us." He is seriously wrong about that!

Leave the Ukrainians alone. You can still have access to the naval base in the Crimea.If Russia keeps it up no one will invest there. Youre already out of the G8. Youre going to be on the outside looking in with no where to grow your economy.


Putin has done for Russia : • Over 12 years of Putin Russia has increased the budget by 22 times , military spending - 30 times GDP - 12 times ( Russia jumped from 36th place in the world in terms of GDP 2nd place) • Increased international reserves 48 times ! • returned 256 mineral deposits in the Russian jurisdiction • ripped bonded "liberal" in the history of the production sharing agreement . • 65% nationalized the oil industry and 95% of gas and many other industries . • raised the industry and agriculture ( Russian for 5 consecutive years ranked 2-3 in the world grain exports , surpassing the U.S. , which are now on the 4th place). • increase the average salary in the public sector to 18.5 times in 12 years , while the average pension - 14 times. • Well, it is quite a small thing : Putin (he ) has lowered the extinction of the Russian population with 1.5 million people per year in 1999 to 21 thousand in 2011 , ie 71.5 times . • In addition , Putin canceled Khasavyurt agreement - than defended the integrity of Russia, gave publicity to NGOs - the fifth column and banned MPs have an account abroad , defended Syria, end the war in Chechnya and returned to Crimea ! !

I think that such a leader can be respected.
Russia does not want Ukraine.
Russia simply returned back their land.
What would you say if Obama gave one state to another state?

[nookandcrannycar]

Putin has done for Russia : • Over 12 years of Putin Russia has increased the budget by 22 times

:rolleyes: If you had a true free market economy, that wouldn't be a good thing.

( Russia jumped from 36th place in the world in terms of GDP 2nd place)

No it didn't. The last figures were published in October of 2013 for 2012 and re Nominal GDP Russia ranks 8th in the world and 6th in the world re GDP PPP (Purchasing Power Parity GDP)

65% nationalized the oil industry and 95% of gas and many other industries

:rolleyes: And just why is that a positive development?

increase the average salary in the public sector to 18.5 times in 12 years

:rolleyes: If you had a free market economy, that wouldn't be a good thing.

Russia does not want Ukraine.

I think you are being naive. Putin has said that the worst thing that happened during the 20th century was the fall of the Soviet Union.



If the Russian way of running a country is so great, then why don't Americans want to migrate to Russia rather than the other way around? :rolleyes:

[MickZEL]

after separation of the Ukrainian officials have plundered entire treasury.
Let Ukraine itself is brewed in my soup.
It's a pity people living Russian Ukraine. Tymoshenko said that Ukraine Russian rogue, and x have to kill a nuclear weapon.

[nookandcrannycar]

Yahoo has posted the same story about the 10 most miserable cities/metro areas in the U.S. multiple times (one commenter writes = 5x). Another commenter mentions he attended college in one, lives in another, and sarcastically wrote that he guesses he should try to be less happy. Another commenter writes it is no surprise that 90 % of these areas are in the South because 'there are so many Christians there'. I don't think that is the reason. I think it is because the people who run Yahoo! have the same mindset as the people who run A & E. BTW, one of the areas listed is where yougojay lives. Does he sound like someone who is miserable?...I think just the opposite is the case. Another commenter posted something that (while I don't agree with all of the points) I love the tone. I figured this commenter must have found this on another site. I found it on another site. It is entitled: 'Why I vote Democrat', the link is below:

http://www.redstate.com/diary/6755mm/2014/03/20/vote-democrat-best-political-comment-ever-needs-go-viral/

[MickZEL]

I would visit your country. Interesting to see how you live. :-)

[yougojay]

Yahoo has posted the same story about the 10 most miserable cities/metro areas in the U.S. multiple times (one commenter writes = 5x). Another commenter mentions he attended college in one, lives in another, and sarcastically wrote that he guesses he should try to be less happy. Another commenter writes it is no surprise that 90 % of these areas are in the South because 'there are so many Christians there'. I don't think that is the reason. I think it is because the people who run Yahoo! have the same mindset as the people who run A & E. BTW, one of the areas listed is where yougojay lives. Does he sound like someone who is miserable?...I think just the opposite is the case. Another commenter posted something that (while I don't agree with all of the points) I love the tone. I figured this commenter must have found this on another site. I found it on another site. It is entitled: 'Why I vote Democrat', the link is below:

http://www.redstate.com/diary/6755mm/2014/03/20/vote-democrat-best-political-comment-ever-needs-go-viral/
Thanks Nook :headbang:
No, absolutely NOT miserable here, only Absolutely Red..! :headbang:
Life - Either make it happy or make it miserable. It's all in your attitude. Glass 1/2 FULL here, my whole life.
People make things worse for themselves a lot of the time.
Don't keep up with the Jones - Keep up with yourself. If you want, you need to work and make things happen. Do Unto Others & Have Some Respect.
Don't spend money you don't have - Don't buy things you can't afford.
Learn from your mistakes, don't get all pissy about it. Be a giver not a taker. Good things come to good people. Karma is a b**ch!
I credit genes & great parents who had morals and taught me the correct way (as good as they could)
Make the best of where you live, if you don't like it, MOVE? :iono:

[yougojay]

I would visit your country. Interesting to see how you live. :-)
I would visit your country - It is rich in History & I am sure it would be VERY cool to see the sites. Lovin' those cool new buildings in the Moscow Business Center ( I believe)
Yes, MickZEL, you'd never be the same after a weekend at 'Taste Of Chicago' :headbang: Mmmmmmm....Food :drool:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taste_of_Chicago

[nookandcrannycar]

Thanks Nook :headbang:
No, absolutely NOT miserable here, only Absolutely Red..! :headbang:
Life - Either make it happy or make it miserable. It's all in your attitude. Glass 1/2 FULL here, my whole life.
People make things worse for themselves a lot of the time.
Don't keep up with the Jones - Keep up with yourself. If you want, you need to work and make things happen. Do Unto Others & Have Some Respect.
Don't spend money you don't have - Don't buy things you can't afford.
Learn from your mistakes, don't get all pissy about it. Be a giver not a taker. Good things come to good people. Karma is a b**ch!
I credit genes & great parents who had morals and taught me the correct way (as good as they could)
Make the best of where you live, if you don't like it, MOVE? :iono:

^^^^^ I agree, except that I credit my grandparents, rather than my parents. They passed away years ago, but I 'feel them inside' and feel as if they are walking alongside me with every step. I feel as though I am one of the most fortunate people on the planet to have this feeling. I see my incomparable grandmother in my wonderful cousin and my wonderful aunt, and I know they feel the same connection to my grandparents. Having had largely clueless parents (re how the world works) somehow granted me the ability to appreciate the wonderful attitude/perspective my grandparents had toward life. I always hoped that there would be a 4th generation to receive the essence of my grandmother, and my little cousin (she's 12 now) is the fruition of that hope.

[nookandcrannycar]

I would visit your country - It is rich in History & I am sure it would be VERY cool to see the sites. Lovin' those cool new buildings in the Moscow Business Center ( I believe)
Yes, MickZEL, you'd never be the same after a weekend at 'Taste Of Chicago' :headbang: Mmmmmmm....Food :drool:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taste_of_Chicago

Unfortunately, the items illustrated in the link I provided in post # 51 are wreaking a bit of havoc on your 'home area'. IIRC, Rahm (or one of his people) stated property taxes might have to double :eek:. The tech boom is helping my 'home area' (SF Bay Area), but a similar mindset exists :rolleyes:.

[yougojay]

Unfortunately, the items illustrated in the link I provided in post # 51 are wreaking a bit of havoc on your 'home area'. IIRC, Rahm (or one of his people) stated property taxes might have to double :eek:. The tech boom is helping my 'home area' (SF Bay Area), but a similar mindset exists :rolleyes:.

We moved from Chicago to Capitol Hill DC in 2000, so I've been away from there for quite awhile. From what I've heard and read, certain aspects of the area have really taken a hit. I think our property taxes on our 3rd floor condo (in a 3 flat) were about 1000 bucks in 1994 when we first purchased. It's listed again now, 2nd owner after us who bought at the height of the market back in 2006. Tax Year 2012: $5022.14 :eek:
Living on Capitol Hill from 2000-2010, our taxes went from 1,000.00 to 5,300 I believe, but the price of real estate there absolutely boomed.
When the economy tanked, the real estate in VA & MD tanked, while the close-in areas of DC took way less of a hit, and started going back up a few years before we sold. We were extremely fortunate (with a big dash of luck)

Chicago and it's latest years old round of murders is horrible. It is only in certain areas, most of Chicago and the suburbs are very calm & safe. Don't know much of what's going on there now, politics or other wise, but when they describe/described Chicago as 'The City That Works" I believed that living there.
Roads always clear of snow, garbage/recyclables picked up like clock-work, etc. I had no problems with city services while living there, it was pretty darn good.

Gosh only knows what's going on there now in regards to city services and taxes and whatnot. I do know a lot has changed in the past 14 years.

[bronsin]

I work in Camden NJ for 31 years now. Since Im downtown its perfectly safe. The neighborhoods are another story. A few years ago we had a serial rapist. He raped a schoolgirl in front of her friends waiting for a bus and numerous others as well. He was in the process of raping a woman in a convenience store when the Vietnamese store owner blew his brains out with a .38.

The man then had to endure 3 months while the DA considered indicting him for 2nd degree murder.

[bronsin]

Th is from the BBC online and is a portrait of Putin.

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26769481

[yougojay]

I'll read that article later, it's a long one.
They say murders are down in the U.S. over the years, you wouldn't know it from hearing the news....Our local (90 miles away) is out of Charlotte, NC. and all you hear everyday is someone else getting killed. That on top of the mayor being indicted by the FBI, it never ends!

[MickZEL]

Th is from the BBC online and is a portrait of Putin.

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26769481

I think you know what information war?
You should not trust what you hear on the BBC.
True sounds much quieter.
I will not convince you, take time and you will learn the real truth about the Crimea and Ukraine.
* And Putin normal guy who loves his homeland.: W00t:

[bronsin]

BBC says Putin has a 70% approval rating with the public.

Not so?

[MickZEL]

BBC says Putin has a 70% approval rating with the public.

Not so?

Yes, it's true. I think you too would like to have a president)))

[MickZEL]

BBC says Putin has a 70% approval rating with the public.

Not so?

But the BBC said that this right sector in Ukraine?
They said that this NEO Nazis

[yougojay]

You should not trust what you hear on the BBC.
You should not trust what you read in the 'Moscow Daily Planet'
:iono: About Putin's approval rating, but I'm sure it has got to be higher then Obama & especially our Congress...:barf:
Wow! It's 86 degrees in the foothills of the Appalachian Mountains here...the Sasquatch :eek: should be active tonight...

[nookandcrannycar]

The man then had to endure 3 months while the DA considered indicting him for 2nd degree murder.

:rolleyes:.I can't imagine that happening in Texas, unless someone was trying to play up a Martin/Zimmerman case angle.

[nookandcrannycar]

I think you too would like to have a president

:bellyroll: Yes, we would. I don't know what he should be called. He doesn't act as though is leading anything...or even has that desire. However...whatever it is that he is....I'd rather have that and our system, than Putin and your system :thumbsup:.

[MickZEL]

So who invited me to visit? :-)

[CTScott]

So who invited me to visit? :-)


After your hospitality when I visited Moscow you are welcome here any time.

[nookandcrannycar]

So who invited me to visit? :-)

:laugh: Nice deflection from the previous 67 posts :thumbsup::biggrin:! Are you sure you're not a politician :laugh:? Just from what anyone can surmise from YW posts (and experience if they've purchased anything from him), and your personal connection/+his invitation, I can't imagine a better (and more gracious) host for you than CTScott.

[MickZEL]

:laugh: Nice deflection from the previous 67 posts :thumbsup::biggrin:! Are you sure you're not a politician :laugh:? Just from what anyone can surmise from YW posts (and experience if they've purchased anything from him), and your personal connection/+his invitation, I can't imagine a better (and more gracious) host for you than CTScott.

I am not a politician, just the first in many years, I started a country proud of where I live.: W00t:

[bronsin]

I am not a politician, just the first in many years, I started a country proud of where I live.: W00t:

Do you think your armies will take over Eastern Ukraine? Western Ukraine?

[47_MasoN_47]

I am not a politician, just the first in many years, I started a country proud of where I live.: W00t:

Russia seems like a cool place. I'd love to visit there one day. Your country has a fascinating history. I like to collect soviet-era items, especially from WWII.

[MickZEL]

Russia seems like a cool place. I'd love to visit there one day. Your country has a fascinating history. I like to collect soviet-era items, especially from WWII.

Come, I live in Moscow. Objects of which you speak officially forbidden to export from the country, but you can buy them.: Питьевая:

[MickZEL]

Do you think your armies will take over Eastern Ukraine? Western Ukraine?

I do not know, but I think it would not be right.: Ионосферы:

[bronsin]

It looks to me very likely. Indeed the entire situation seems to be unfolding in that direction as part of the Russian authorities plan.

[MickZEL]

It looks to me very likely. Indeed the entire situation seems to be unfolding in that direction as part of the Russian authorities plan.

I have not heard about sending troops to Ukraine.
* We only show that eastern Ukraine asks for a peacekeeping force, and asks that Donetsk Russian accession.

[nookandcrannycar]

I do not know, but I think it would not be right.: Ионосферы:

:thumbsup: IMO, this shows your HEART lies with Russian people no matter which flag happens to be flying above them, rather than with (given that you have pride that Putin is your president and generally support him) however Putin intends to manifest his ambition.

[fuuao]

Can we just keep politics out ...

[tooter]

^^^^^ I agree, except that I credit my grandparents, rather than my parents. They passed away years ago, but I 'feel them inside' and feel as if they are walking alongside me with every step. I feel as though I am one of the most fortunate people on the planet to have this feeling. I see my incomparable grandmother in my wonderful cousin and my wonderful aunt, and I know they feel the same connection to my grandparents. Having had largely clueless parents (re how the world works) somehow granted me the ability to appreciate the wonderful attitude/perspective my grandparents had toward life. I always hoped that there would be a 4th generation to receive the essence of my grandmother, and my little cousin (she's 12 now) is the fruition of that hope.

Those are some of the most beautifully moving words I've read in some time, nook. Thanks, man. :smile:

Greg

[nookandcrannycar]

Can we just keep politics out ...

:confused: International relations involves the actions of political actors, namely the politicians who have the power. Given the OP's question, I don't see how a germain discussion develops with your caveat.

[nookandcrannycar]

Those are some of the most beautifully moving words I've read in some time, nook. Thanks, man. :smile:

Greg

Thanks :smile:. My grandparents were rare people. One thing my mother got right was that she realized how special my grandmother was. My grandmother had many friends. Any one of them would have done just about anything for her. My mother wrote a few words, and later expressed them at the gathering when my grandmother passed away (almost made it to age 91). One sentence my mother wrote about my grandmother particularly sticks with me: "She never said 'I don't have time', she made time for everyone".

I started a daily paper route when I was 10 years old (I actually had a weekly paper route before that). My grandfather was tickled because he also started a daily paper route when he was 10 years old (65 years before I did). My route was in a very hilly area with lots of twists and turns. I got into a bicycle accident, not on my route, but in front of my house (I leaned into the hill turning into my driveway...I leaned too far and the pedal caught the pavement, throwing me over the handlebars). My arm was in a sling for ? weeks. My grandfather drove me on my route (so that I could still do my deliveries) every day until my arm healed.

When I was 12 I went to 'Bat Day' with a bunch of my friends. The dad of one of my friends was supposed to pick us up. He forgot :rolleyes:. We ended up getting mugged for our bats (much larger group of guys who already had a bunch of bats with them). Afterword, I said "I'll call my grandpa, he'll pick us up". My friends looked at me in bewilderment (perhaps not imagining that anyone would have such a cool grandpa, or that a grandson could be that close to his grandpa :smile:). I called my grandpa, he came down, and we all piled into his big Lincoln.

A few years ago I thought, I can't decide which gives me more satisfaction: A. - Watching my aunt spend time with my little cousin, B. - My spending time with just my little cousin, or C. - Watching my cousin parent my little cousin. I thought, what an 'embarrassment of riches' to have such a mock dilemma. I came to feel that, of those three, watching my aunt spend time with my little cousin gave me the most pleasure -- mainly for two reasons. One, that my my aunt (being the oldest) has the least time left with my little cousin. Second (and more germane to what you quoted), my aunt is the closest to the essence of my grandmother and I love watching my little cousin 'drink up' as much of that as possible.

[bronsin]

I have not heard about sending troops to Ukraine.
* We only show that eastern Ukraine asks for a peacekeeping force, and asks that Donetsk Russian accession.
Russian combat divisions (not peacekeeping forces) are massed on the borders of Eastern Ukraine to the tune of 55,000 troops, is whats on the news in the US.

What would you think if Canada or Mexico asked for a "peacekeeping" force and the United States sent troops into those countries to enforce peace?

BTW almost all the members in the UN have declared illegal the "referendum" voted in The Crimea to join Russia.

[47_MasoN_47]

What would you think if Canada or Mexico asked for a "peacekeeping" force and the United States sent troops into those countries to enforce peace?

Isn't that what we've been doing in the middle east for the last 12 years or so?

[bronsin]

Isn't that what we've been doing in the middle east for the last 12 years or so?

Sadam gassed his own people for years. But...we dont have a problem with Assad doing it? And the UN does?

The Taliban were directly responsible for helping and protecting the man who killed over 3000 American civilians. The greatest war we ever got involved in happened when Japan killed 3000 military personnel. Who should have been able to protect themselves.

[MickZEL]

Russian combat divisions (not peacekeeping forces) are massed on the borders of Eastern Ukraine to the tune of 55,000 troops, is whats on the news in the US.

What would you think if Canada or Mexico asked for a "peacekeeping" force and the United States sent troops into those countries to enforce peace?

BTW almost all the members in the UN have declared illegal the "referendum" voted in The Crimea to join Russia.

America and so shoves its armed forces, wherever possible.
American instructors were in Georgia when aggression occurred in the North Caucasus.
You remember all the armed conflicts in recent years, were all American troops or military instructors.
With regard to the Crimea, it is recognized. It is only a matter of time, no turning back.

[MickZEL]

And what do you say about the bombing of Yugoslavia 15 years ago? This was done without the permission of the United Nations.

[47_MasoN_47]

Sadam gassed his own people for years. But...we dont have a problem with Assad doing it? And the UN does?

The Taliban were directly responsible for helping and protecting the man who killed over 3000 American civilians. The greatest war we ever got involved in happened when Japan killed 3000 military personnel. Who should have been able to protect themselves.

It's not any of our business what a leader in another country does, as long as it doesn't directly affect us.

IMO, we should have went over there and blown a bunch of stuff up and then left. We don't have any business staying over there for a decade. If we were going to do that we should have just taken the country over and made it a state or something.

The US needs to stop trying to police the world. Eventually we'll run out of people willing to lend us money and will be overextended so far that someone else will have a bigger stick with which to force their will upon the rest of the world.

[bronsin]

If we were going to do that we should have just taken the country over and made it a state or something.
.

I agree! Make Irag the 51st state! They get representatives to the congress, two senators, the Constitution, The Bill of Rights...

Who wouldnt want that....

[bronsin]

America and so shoves its armed forces, wherever possible.
American instructors were in Georgia when aggression occurred in the North Caucasus.
You remember all the armed conflicts in recent years, were all American troops or military instructors.
With regard to the Crimea, it is recognized. It is only a matter of time, no turning back.

Ive heard it said the natural state of humanity is war.

You want war?

As it stands right now youre going to get economic war for what Putin has done. Russia fighting an economic war is like a one legged man in an ass kicking contest.

Youre going to get your ass kicked.

You want that?

[MickZEL]

Ive heard it said the natural state of humanity is war.

You want war?

As it stands right now youre going to get economic war for what Putin has done. Russia fighting an economic war is like a one legged man in an ass kicking contest.

Youre going to get your ass kicked.

You want that?

West does not want to trade with Russia, will be traded on the east and that's all.
I think that Russia is not afraid of economic war.
I know that Europe will not abandon the Russian raw materials.
It has already been declared European businessmen.
Little do you know.

[nookandcrannycar]

Youre going to get your ass kicked.

But does Obama have the will or the inclination to 'take this to the mat'. I don't think he does....and I don't think Putin thinks Obama does either.

[bronsin]

But does Obama have the will or the inclination to 'take this to the mat'. I don't think he does....and I don't think Putin thinks Obama does either.

He got Iran to the bargaining table through sanctions. Of course, they have no intention of stopping trying to make a bomb. Stopping the sanctions would be a mistake.

Remember ten years ago when Isreal said Iran will have a bomb in five years? Whatever happened to that?

I agree Obama is moving far to slowly. So is Merkle. If I were Putin I wouldnt believe they are serious either.

Obama did use drones about fours time more than Bush to kill militants in Pakistan. That means killing innocents. He has more blood on his hands than Bush ever did.

CBS Bob Schiefer had Obamas opponent on Meet the Press a few weeks ago. They had video of the debates. Obama scolds the guy saying the cold war is over for 20 years.

Scary! :eek:

[MickZEL]

He got Iran to the bargaining table through sanctions.

Say, about the bombing of Yugoslavia without UN sanction you deliberately kept silent?

[nookandcrannycar]

I agree Obama is moving far to slowly. So is Merkle. If I were Putin I wouldnt believe they are serious either.

:thumbsup:

Obama did use drones about fours time more than Bush to kill militants in Pakistan. That means killing innocents. He has more blood on his hands than Bush ever did.

:thumbsup:


Obamas opponent Obama scolds the guy saying the cold war is over for 20 years

Can't bring yourself to say the name Romney :biggrin:? I guess I have that coming, as I don't want to call/refer to Obama as either The P.O.T.U.S or Mr. President. However, I think saying his last name (although I have on Yahoo! referred to him as Barry :biggrin:) is better than 'Romney's opponent' or 'the guy' :biggrin:.

[bronsin]

Well dont be shocked but Im just a hop skip and jump away from dementia!

Took me hours this afternoon to remember what day it is. (Wednesday not Tuesday!)

[nookandcrannycar]

Well dont be shocked but Im just a hop skip and jump away from dementia!

Took me hours this afternoon to remember what day it is. (Wednesday not Tuesday!)

Just ribbing you :biggrin:. Just having a little fun :biggrin:. Your wit is still sharp enough to be FAR away from dementia!

[MickZEL]

http://zakon.mirtesen.ru/blog/43866915528/Nemetskii%CC%86-ekspert:-Nas-derzhat-za-idiotov,-SSHA-ustroili-gosper?utm_campaign=transit&utm_source=main&utm_medium=page_2&pad=1
Speak Russian ?

[bronsin]

No and I cant read it either!

But it must be interesting...