Whiteline Bushing Install Questions

[KTS]

Good day/evening/night everyone,
I just purchased the Whiteline W53303 and I notice the hole for the bolt is off center which I assume allows for the caster correction.
Questions:
1) Does the off center hole face the front or rear of the car?
2) Are the washer/spacer installed as in the pic or inversed?
I have attached a photo of the bushings
Thanking everyone in advance

[KTS]

I think I just figured it out :cool:
If the offset hole is to the rear of the car it pushes the bottom of the cradle forward resulting in positive caster and if the offset hole is to the front of the car it pulls the cradle back and results in negative caster.
When installed and being professionally aligned the technician will adjust the caster accordingly.
Although the work will be done by professionals I always like to know what they are doing or have to do so I can have peace of mind.
Do correct me where necessary.

[CTScott]

I think I just figured it out :cool:
If the offset hole is to the rear of the car it pushes the bottom of the cradle forward resulting in positive caster and if the offset hole is to the front of the car it pulls the cradle back and results in negative caster.
When installed and being professionally aligned the technician will adjust the caster accordingly.
Although the work will be done by professionals I always like to know what they are doing or have to do so I can have peace of mind.
Do correct me where necessary.

The installation guide that I ran into for the kit is pretty worthless. You will have to post some pics once they are installed.

[1.5]

ToyotaBuzz has installed these, maybe PM him he is super helpful

[KTS]

Yes I agree the installation guide isn't helpful. I will take pictures n post as I planning to do this Tuesday.

I will try and PM ToyotaBuzz but I don't want to be harassing anyone will he be ok with a random PM


Klick

[malibuguy]

I put mine diagonally from the ballpoint like the voids in the bushing

[KTS]

^^^ wouldn't putting them diagonal also affect the camber?

[Bluevitz-rs]

Actually, if you draw a triangle as in the shape of the control arm, the bushings need to either face the inside of the car or outside of the car to adjust for caster. Because what you're actually doing is pulling the rear of the controller in towards the center of the car or pushing it out.

[KTS]

^^ now u have me confused lol


Klick

[Jason@SportsCar]

The idea is to push the back end of the lower control arm towards the outside of the car, this rotates the entire arm forward, giving you additional caster.

Looking from above: depending on if the hole is towards the center of the car, or the outside, determines the location of the ball joint because it twists the entire arm. Push the ball joint forward gains caster, pull it back and you lose caster.


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[Bluevitz-rs]

^^
Exactly

[KTS]

That makes a lot of sense. The cradle pivots at the front bushing and rotates accordingly. Well at lest I was on the right track :cool:
Thanks everyone for assisting.
Ill do my best to provide some pics.

[KTS]

Is this suppose to fit a vitz RS. Doesn't seems so to me. There is a ridge under the bushing that doesn't allow the washer to move toward the centre of the car. This prevents the top n bottom washer from lining up with the bushing centre. Any help will be appreciated.


Klick

[Bluevitz-rs]

What chassis code is it supposed to be for? NCP##


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[KTS]

Ncp91 as far as I know. Also when the top washer fits into the groove of the chassis it is off center so the bolt cannot go thru it.


Klick

[KTS]

I don't know what to do at this point seems like a waste of bout $250usd as I doubt it can't work or be returned at this time.


Klick

[KTS]

Well gonna put in d old bushings tomorrow...such a waste


Klick

[KTS]

Vehicle 2007 Vitz RS NCP91
Pic 1 shows W53301 fits good and correct no problem
Pic 2 shows W53303 this is the bushing I am having difficulty fitting
Pic 3 and 4 shows where the washer provided need to fit however when the washers are fitted they didn't line up thus the bolt doesn't go thru them.
If I need this to work I need to Make the washer holes larger/oval and cut off the tabs that hold the washers.
Is this advisable?

[Bluevitz-rs]

Does it fit without those big washers?


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[KTS]

Yea it would I guess. But it needs the washers as gas as I know.


Klick

[Bluevitz-rs]

Does the offset bushing fit in opening tight or loose without the washers?


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[KTS]

Loose very loose. The Whiteline bushing with the washers are the same size as oem 62mm. I measured it before removing d OEM bushings.


Klick

[KTS]

Btw thanks for assisting.


Klick

[Bluevitz-rs]

I guess if it doesn't fit without modifying the car to fit it can't be the right kit.

But it looks like the smaller round part of the washers should fit inside the space


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[Bluevitz-rs]

Remember it should be a very tight fit. So if it doesn't slide in you might just need to give it a little motivation.


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[KTS]

Yea the smaller round part fits inside the spaces but then they are not in a line thus the bolt doesn't fit thru them. Also the hole for the top washer doesn't line up with the top bolt hole too.


Klick

[Bluevitz-rs]

So if you just put all the metal parts together and put it in place you can't get the bolt through?


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[KTS]

No I cannot get the bolt through.


Klick

[Bluevitz-rs]

Can you post a photo


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[KTS]

ok tomorrow I will try n take a photo showing it. I am thinking if I widen the holes and cut off the low tab it should fit up fine.

[KTS]

Finally got them installed I had to widen the holes on the washers and they were a very difficult fit still. Thanks everyone who was assisting.

[Jason@SportsCar]

Did you put them in the right direction? :wink:

[KTS]

Really hope I did...fingers crossed. Will know when I go for an alignment tomorrow.


Klick

[Bluevitz-rs]

Cool, well at least there in there.

Funny I'm installing my lowering springs again and my upper bearing on the drivers side strut is shot.... again. Oh well the replacement is way better than OE from Canadian tire. Uses a sealed bearing on the lower part compared to the OE being open with a stupid foam gasket.


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[malibuguy]

They are tight (for a reason) but no modifications are necessary to put the spacers in.

[MugenRep]

Update to this? Everything was installed correctly and no issues with the caster and did it increase?

[KTS]

Yes it was installed correctly and the caster did increase but I can't remember by how much.

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[MugenRep]

Thanks for the feedback/review!

[tmontague]

I'm installing my bushings tomorrow, except I got the ones that don't change caster to save me the headache the op experienced.

I'm a bit confused about what parts to lube with the grease supplied w/ the bushings? My understanding is only the inner part of the bushing with the knurled surface. Can anyone confirm?

Apparnetly whiteline bushings now have a Teflon coating on the outside so no grease is to be applied on the outside of the bushing. I just want to confirm that this is correct.

[KTS]

I think u just have to grease the inner part where the metal contacts the bushing. That's what I did and mine Newberry made any noise

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[tmontague]

Thanks, that was my understanding as well.

I got them installed and I'll be doing a dog write up this week for them. Took me the better part of the day, those things can be a huge pita. Anyways I'll post anything different that I notice compared to oem, have to drive on them for a bit first

[KTS]

Huge huge pita. Never doing that again well hopefully not and d sad part is I pulled them.out in place of oem bushings suspecting they were bad. Sad

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[tmontague]

Tbh they weren't really any more difficult than oem ones I've done before. That said, I purposely didn't get the caster adjustment ones that you did as the would have made it more difficult.

Control arms and bushings are rarely ever a seem less diy, i had to spend an extra 6 hours replacing my Vibe's arms due to the bolt being seized to the bushing sleeve.

My Vios' were pretty close to being seized, in hind sight that is a good part to remove every 8 years or so if you live in the salt belt. Cover all the bolts in anti seize and then re install, will save hours of labor down the road when the Control arms need replacing at 250k km like they typically do.

[MugenRep]

I think the CASTER + bushings have been discontinued as I've looked for them and can only find them in a few locations. That said, I'd it'd have to be a used set or custom metal sleeve with off center bore like what Whiteline did to the originals.

[tmontague]

The issue that KTS had is that the metal washers are not bored off center like the center sleeve is. Because the washer are held on center by metal tabs on the subframe it becomes impossible to line them up without drilling a larger hole in the washers.

Imo this is a great mod to do but I wouldn't do it unless the oem bushing are starting to wear. Its not a massive difference (although I've yet to push the car hard on corners as i still have my winters on).

My oem bushing were starting to rot and had a crack starting on both of them so it was a good time to upgrade.

[KTS]

The issue that KTS had is that the metal washers are not bored off center like the center sleeve is. Because the washer are held on center by metal tabs on the subframe it becomes impossible to line them up without drilling a larger hole in the washers.

I couldn't have said it better myself. Thanks.

[MugenRep]

The issue that KTS had is that the metal washers are not bored off center like the center sleeve is. Because the washer are held on center by metal tabs on the subframe it becomes impossible to line them up without drilling a larger hole in the washers.

Imo this is a great mod to do but I wouldn't do it unless the oem bushing are starting to wear. Its not a massive difference (although I've yet to push the car hard on corners as i still have my winters on).

My oem bushing were starting to rot and had a crack starting on both of them so it was a good time to upgrade.


I completely understand how it works. I had SuperPro Caster + bushings on my one Ep3 and the Whiteline +.5 Caster bushings on the other Ep3 I owned. I just stating they're not available anymore, so you'd have to use another set with similar size, or make your own like Perrin did for the WRX/STI back in 2004-2005.