2005 Echo RS Cluster in a 3DR 2004 Echo Liftback .

[mpcv2000]

Hello.
I own a 2004 Echo HB 3 Door Manual and today I was able to put my hands on a Cluster ( with RPM ) from a 2005 RS expecting it will be a pretty close to "Plug & Play" but I think I was wrong.

I've looked online but nothing came up really .
Plugs are physically the same but not the right stuff lights up when I plug it in.
Any idea if anyone has done this swap ?

Information is limited since this car was only available in Canada for 04-05 so looks like not many people has done that swap .

Anyone here has a clue when I can find some info regarding that swap ?

If it's too complicated it will be back up for sale.
It has 87,000KM and the seller gave me the 2 pigtails from the 05 with about 10" of wire and he had marked one wire that I had to take the signal from the Black wire on the OBDII port to get my tach signal and he also said maybe the Hi/Low beam indicator may not work unless you re wire it.










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Thanks for your help.

[CTScott]

Can you snap pictures of the wires on the connectors on your existing cluster and the ones on the pigtails on the new one? I believe I have the correct diagrams, but it helps to see the wire colors on the actual ones to verify.

[mpcv2000]

I'll do that tonight.
Wiring diagram from a 2004 HB 2DR manual & one from a 2005 RS manual would be perfect.

Thanks for helping me.

[IllusionX]

It's a tad more complicated than swapping wires..

http://clubecho-yarisquebec.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=62&t=14505&hilit=tach#p152990

I have posted the wiring diagram with and without tach in that thread.

I would say a simple solution is a complete gut and harness/ECM swap.

[mpcv2000]

Hello.
Talking about that forum.
I tried to register under mpcv2000 and I can't because somehow I may have clic that I was under 16 Y.O or so and I need to have my parent to sign for me or some like that I've wrote to the admin and never got a reply from them.
This was like 6 months ago.
Can you contact them for me ( same user name ) and because I'm not a member I can't see the link you posted here.
Thanks for your help.

Martin !

[IllusionX]

LOL, there are no admins there.. we're kinda left out and is crap. sorry can't help.

but here are the diags... and also what happens with this is that you COULD get the tach to work, but the whole thing is not perfect with your current wiring. The guy who did the swap on the other forum gave up, because it also read the wrong speed (about 20kmh difference) but i think that's because it is AT vs MT.

enjoy!

avec tach
http://s30.postimg.org/4zcophdct/Page_1_Combination_Meter_with_Tachometer.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/4zcophdct/)

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http://s30.postimg.org/rge8sjjrx/Page_4_Combination_Meter_with_Tachometer.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/rge8sjjrx/)

http://s30.postimg.org/qs5e9ll25/Page_5_Combination_Meter_with_Tachometer.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/qs5e9ll25/)

http://s30.postimg.org/9u6dnrbod/Page_6_Combination_Meter_with_Tachometer.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/9u6dnrbod/)




sans tach
http://s21.postimg.org/k0brqv1rn/Page_1_Combination_Meter_without_Tachometer.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/k0brqv1rn/)

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http://s21.postimg.org/bn62w72k3/Page_4_Combination_Meter_without_Tachometer.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/bn62w72k3/)

http://s21.postimg.org/3vpcxmyer/Page_5_Combination_Meter_without_Tachometer.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/3vpcxmyer/)

http://s21.postimg.org/49vaaz7w3/Page_6_Combination_Meter_without_Tachometer.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/49vaaz7w3/)

[mpcv2000]

OK la je suis a la job mais ce soir je vais regarder ca.

Merci !

:smile:

Oups French , English

[mpcv2000]

Here's some shots I just took.

Top is 05 Manual with RPM ( obviously ) :redface:




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On the 2005 with RPM the 22 pin connector is on the left side .





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On the 2004 HB manual it's under the cluster and the 22 pin connector is on the right side.


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2004 harness




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Closer to you is the 2005 and far is the 2004.



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2005 cluster & connector


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I'm putting the stock cluster back until I can figure out which wire is what and I'll tap the 05 pigtail to the 04 so I'll have both in case if I have to put the 04 back in.


I'll look at the above pictures from the other member to see if I can figure out what is what.
I think it is doable.


:iono:

[mpcv2000]

*****This is not a Echo Diagram***** Getting some info like this would be perfect .
( took somewhere online )

http://shbox.com/1/95_z_cluster_pinout.jpg

[CTScott]

From what I am seeing comparing the two sets of EWDs there are a lot of wires that need to move around. I also do see in the EPC that the speed sensors for the AT and MT have different part numbers, but the clusters are not shown as having different part numbers for MT vs AT.

[CTScott]

That chart is exactly what I was doing for the comparison. Here is what I put together showing where everything moves. The only issue I see from the wiring is that the headlight indicator on the 05 has one wire from the headlight bulbs and one from the headlight switch whereas the 04 only has one wire from the headlight switch:



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[mpcv2000]

I haven't look at the diagram yet but the guy who sold me the cluster told me I had to change something because the Hi/Low beam light will not work.
He also identify for me the RPM wire that should connect to the Black wire on the OBDII port for RPM signal.

[mpcv2000]

Wow I just look at the PDF file you gave me and this will be perfect .
I'll have to be sober to dig into it tho so it won't be tonight. :bellyroll:

[CTScott]

Wow I just look at the PDF file you gave me and this will be perfect .
I'll have to be sober to dig into it tho so it won't be tonight. :bellyroll:

That's definitely at least a 3 beer job. I would take the pigtails and splice them to the existing wires. That way you can easily swap back and forth.

[mpcv2000]

One more.
Do you also have a chart with all the abbreviation means ?
I know it's color but Blue Black Brown Caps no Caps .

[CTScott]

One more.
Do you also have a chart with all the abbreviation means ?
I know it's color but Blue Black Brown Caps no Caps .

Caps no caps = tired

B - Black
R - Red
Y - Yellow
W - White
L - Light blue
O - Orange
Br - Brown
G - Green
V - Violet

color1-color2 = Color1 with color2 stripe

[mpcv2000]

I know I will sound nob but I'm not use to Toyota stuff , name , abbreviation , etc.
What means "EWD" and "EPC".

The only time I've mess with Toyota parts it is when I was working on my swapped RX7 (http://www.norotors.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=456a91904d5ed618b456e2e8070f88 11&topic=5409.15)

[mpcv2000]

Sorry I thought the Caps on and off had a meaning on the color or stripes.

That will be a fun project.

[CTScott]

I know I will sound nob but I'm not use to Toyota stuff , name , abbreviation , etc.
What means "EWD" and "EPC".

The only time I've mess with Toyota parts it is when I was working on my swapped RX7 (http://www.norotors.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=456a91904d5ed618b456e2e8070f88 11&topic=5409.15)

EWD - Electrical Wiring Diagram
EPC - Electronic Parts Catalog

[mpcv2000]

So it is that easy ?

Example:
I tap the White & Green from Connector C13 on the 2005 ( # 2 ) to White & Green on the 04 Pig Tail C13 ( # 2 ) and so on :iono:




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B - Black
R - Red
Y - Yellow
W - White
L - Light blue
O - Orange
Br - Brown
G - Green
V - Violet

color1-color2 = Color1 with color2 stripe



For RPM Signal is it right to say I tap the Black wire from the OBDII port to pig tail # 15 on the C13 Connector on the 2005 ?

As of Hi/Low Beam I just have to find the positive wire from the Hi/Low switch and send the signal to #15 on the C13 connector from the 2005 Pig Tail ?

If it is right I'll try to do that this week end.

Thanks a zillion times for helping me on this. :bow:

[CTScott]

^Exactly. With that extra set of pig tails it really is not bad at all.

[mpcv2000]

Can't wait to start working on this.

I owe you one.

:thumbsup:

[mpcv2000]

Decided to give it a try tonight ( Thursday April 10 ) .

I'm not good with electricity and wires so just for people to know , numbers on the pigtails are when you are facing them.


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Took my RPM signal on the Black wire on the OBDII port.


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Because I wanted to shrink all connections , I had to cut my 04 Harness to be able to slide a shrink tube on it and solder the 05 harness on the 04.



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Et voila . :thumbsup:







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Now with RPM


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A big thank to CTScott who gave me all info and diagram to do that , without him I would have never been able to do that because I suck in electricity.

Your pin numbers were right on but there is some typo on some color on your chart so if someone else do that just follow the pins and connector's number and it will work at your 1st attempt.

I just have to wire the Hi/Low indicator and I'll take the cluster back off to remove the Blue indicator when the car is cold.
I had removed it on the 04 cluster. It is annoying.

I didn't take the car out but everything appears to be working.

:thumbup:

[CTScott]

Nice. Which wire colors did I have the typos on, so I can fix the chart for the next person crazy enough to give it a shot?

[mpcv2000]

05 w/tach color , pin numbers are right on.
04 w/o tach pin numbers are right on and the color should be the same as the 05 .
Don't forget that I have a Canadian car so it can be different than in the USA but every pin number you gave me on the 04 & 05 were color match , each and every one of them.
I had to cut 31 wires on my main harness and the merge I did with the pig tails were all color matched.

I'd say it was a easy project.

Thanks a lot for your help.

:thumbsup:

[mpcv2000]

May 6th 2014.
Put the key in the car and noticed the cluster a 90,000 clicks even .

I think it deserved a picture.


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Love the 05 Cluster . :thumbsup:

[IllusionX]

Seriously.. everything works out of the box? It took 3 attempts in 8 years before someone made it to work properly?

Did you also check your speed vs GPS?

btw, you may want to try to reregister on clubecho-yarisquebec..

[mpcv2000]

Seriously.. everything works out of the box? It took 3 attempts in 8 years before someone made it to work properly?

Did you also check your speed vs GPS?

It worked on 1st attempt.

The only thing I haven't done yet is the Hi-Low Beam wiring , I may do it later on when I'm bored and yes everything works like if it came like that from the factory. :thumbsup:

I haven't check with a GPS but I don't see why speed should be different :iono:

[mpcv2000]

I have to add that without CTScott I would not have been able to make it work so easily.

[IllusionX]

I haven't check with a GPS but I don't see why speed should be different :iono:

Because other member at clubecho-yarisquebec said he had a 20kmh difference in the speedo.

[mpcv2000]

Because other member at clubecho-yarisquebec said he had a 20kmh difference in the speedo.

I'll try to check it this week but according to traffic flow it appears to be right on but I'll check for sure.

[CTScott]

Because other member at clubecho-yarisquebec said he had a 20kmh difference in the speedo.

My bet is that they messed up the ground connection for the speed sensor to cluster connection. Based on the specs for the signal output in the service manual, there should not be a difference between the two.

[mpcv2000]

Because other member at clubecho-yarisquebec said he had a 20kmh difference in the speedo.

Maybe they mean .02 KMH :iono:
I don't have stock tire size so it may read off a little because of that.
Here's what I have : Nitto NeoGen 205/50R15





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It's right on. :thumbsup:



Now I want some disk brake on the rear .

What is my best option ?

Budget is between $600.00 to $1000.00 .

I have Goggled it a little on it but nothing "easy to grab" came up really. :iono:

[IllusionX]

i would fine a complete rear axle off a Yaris TS from europe.

[mpcv2000]

I would find a complete rear axle off a Yaris TS from Europe.

Any specific years ?
I'm not very familiar with the Yaris TS in Europe , neither am I with the Yaris in North America to be honest .

[AlaxyGalaxy]

It has 87,000KM and the seller gave me the 2 pigtails from the 05 with about 10" of wire and he had marked one wire that I had to take the signal from the Black wire on the OBDII port to get my tach signal and he also said maybe the Hi/Low beam indicator may not work unless you re wire it.

Does the odo mileage stay with the cluster or is it stored in the car's computer?

I want to do the same swap as you, but I want the actual odo reading to stay with the car.

[IllusionX]

Any specific years ?
I'm not very familiar with the Yaris TS in Europe , neither am I with the Yaris in North America to be honest .

anything from 99 to 2004. but i don't think they've made the TS in 99-2000.

Does the odo mileage stay with the cluster or is it stored in the car's computer?

I want to do the same swap as you, but I want the actual odo reading to stay with the car.

It is stored in the cluster.

[mpcv2000]

The cluster I got had 87000 KM on it but looks like it is easy to put the millage where ever you want.

A bunch of people does it ( most of them illegally ) .
To answer the question milage stay in the cluster itself.

[CTScott]

The cluster I got had 87000 KM on it but looks like it is easy to put the millage where ever you want.

A bunch of people does it ( most of them illegally ) .
To answer the question milage stay in the cluster itself.

I can do the mileage reprogramming. It is illegal to change the mileage on a car, but in this case you are changing it to the correct mileage for the vehicle. I read an article recently about how high of a percentage of used cars have modified or replaced clusters and it actually makes it pretty scary to purchase a used car.

[mpcv2000]

This is why I'm keeping my old cluster with the millage and date written behind it.
That way I can prove the exact millage of my car.

[AlaxyGalaxy]

The cluster I got had 87000 KM on it but looks like it is easy to put the millage where ever you want.

A bunch of people does it ( most of them illegally ) .
To answer the question milage stay in the cluster itself.

Will Toyota Canada help me with this? Should I even ask them?

Does anyone know where I can get this done around Montreal?

I don't even have a cluster yet, but I feel it's indispensable to have a tach in a manual car.

[mpcv2000]

I may know someone locally .
Give me some time I'll ask.

[mpcv2000]

A co-worker made a few calls and he can have it done for $300.00 via the OBDII port.
It's a cheap price to pay if you want to do fraud but if it is for something 100% legit I think it is a little high.

I don't know if CTScott can do it just with the cluster in his hands but if it is the case just send it over him.

There is one for sale on KiJiJi right now. Ad # 592301748 . I bought my RS seats from him.

[CTScott]

A co-worker made a few calls and he can have it done for $300.00 via the OBDII port.
It's a cheap price to pay if you want to do fraud but if it is for something 100% legit I think it is a little high.

I don't know if CTScott can do it just with the cluster in his hands but if it is the case just send it over him.

There is one for sale on KiJiJi right now. Ad # 592301748 . I bought my RS seats from him.

I charge $50 + return shipping to do it. It actually can not be done via the OBDII port for Toyota vehicles. You have to reburn the EEPROM on the cluster with the encrypted odometer data.

[mpcv2000]

CTScott is the man to see when we talk about Echo & Yaris . :thumbsup:

[AlaxyGalaxy]

A co-worker made a few calls and he can have it done for $300.00 via the OBDII port.
It's a cheap price to pay if you want to do fraud but if it is for something 100% legit I think it is a little high.

I don't know if CTScott can do it just with the cluster in his hands but if it is the case just send it over him.

There is one for sale on KiJiJi right now. Ad # 592301748 . I bought my RS seats from him.

Thanks! Is that guy negociable? There are tons of them in the local scrapyards (car-part.com) for around 50$. My '04 has 150k km and change, and a local scrapyard has one with 149k km for 80$.

I'm not super-comfortable with the idea of fudging with the mileage of the car just for the leisure of having a tach; do most modern cars have the mileage in the cluster, like this?

[IllusionX]

all cars i've seen yet have mileage in the cluster.

[AlaxyGalaxy]

Seems too easy to swap.

Thanks a million for your help; I'll keep you all posted if/when I do the swap.

CTScott, I'll PM you if I do get one and need your services.

Thanks!

[IllusionX]

Seems too easy to swap.

Thanks a million for your help; I'll keep you all posted if/when I do the swap.

CTScott, I'll PM you if I do get one and need your services.

Thanks!

yeah. nothing is preventing your to swap. lol

[mpcv2000]

I think this thread is a pretty good "How to" regarding swapping a Echo Cluster.
I don't know much about the Toyota Echo but maybe a Sedan with a RPM will work too , no ?
What is the difference between my 2005 RS cluster and a Sedan ?

Back ground ?

[Ryze268]

Hey guys,

I've been following this thread for a while, very good information to be had here.

I'd just like to confirm something from the .pdf CTScott provided.

I have a 2000 Vitz that came automatic, I converted it to Manual and I am trying to install a tach.

In the .pdf it says the tach signal comes from the Black wire on the C13 connector, is this true?

http://i58.tinypic.com/34hev5x.jpg
http://i59.tinypic.com/ndla9y.jpg

The part number for my cluster is 83800-52110

Thanks,
-Justin

[mpcv2000]

In the .pdf it says the tach signal comes from the Black wire on the C13 connector, is this true?



I'll answer that if you don't mind.

C13 ( Black ) is the tach signal and to get my 05 Tach to work in my 04 I took the signal on the OBDII port that is also the black wire and hooked it up to the Black wire on the C13 connector.

This is a very easy swap if you take your time. :thumbsup:

[Ryze268]

I'll answer that if you don't mind.

C13 ( Black ) is the tach signal and to get my 05 Tach to work in my 04 I took the signal on the OBDII port that is also the black wire and hooked it up to the Black wire on the C13 connector.

This is a very easy swap if you take your time. :thumbsup:

That's what I'm confused about, my cluster didn't come with a tach gauge but I'm seeing the black wire in my C13 connector.

Can I pick up the tach signal from that wire? My Vitz is JDM so it doesn't have an OBDII port

[mpcv2000]

OBDII is not a universal thing ?

I'll let other people respond than because I'm not the best when comes electricity and diagrams . :redface:

[CTScott]

That's what I'm confused about, my cluster didn't come with a tach gauge but I'm seeing the black wire in my C13 connector.

Can I pick up the tach signal from that wire? My Vitz is JDM so it doesn't have an OBDII port

You should be able to use that wire for your tach. The pin on the OBD connector where that wire goes to for US and Canadian cars is an unused pin for OBDII communications. Toyota just happens to bring the pulsed tach signal to that pin.

[mpcv2000]

You should change your name for WikiScott :smoking:

[Ryze268]

Awesome! I'll give it a try and let you guys know how it turns out :)

[IllusionX]

I think this thread is a pretty good "How to" regarding swapping a Echo Cluster.
I don't know much about the Toyota Echo but maybe a Sedan with a RPM will work too , no ?
What is the difference between my 2005 RS cluster and a Sedan ?

Back ground ?


To answer this. No sedan in Canada have a tach. Some US models have a tach like the 05 hatchback.

The same swap is required for a 05 cluster in any Canadian sedan.

[mpcv2000]

o sedan in Canada have a tach. Some US models have a tach like the 05 hatchback.

The same swap is required for a 05 cluster in any Canadian sedan.

Ah ok.
Good to know.
So finally this thread is very informative. :thumbsup:

[theguy]

hello guys... sorry but my english is too bad ... i want to know if you know who have echo rs cluster for sale i very interesting for 1 ty ...

[Bluevitz-rs]

Now I want some disk brake on the rear .

What is my best option ?

Budget is between $600.00 to $1000.00 .

I have Goggled it a little on it but nothing "easy to grab" came up really. :iono:

Matrix XRS or Corolla XRS rear disc should bolt right on. You'll only need to re drill the rotors for 4 bolt pattern.

I don't know about the park brake cables though.

PS, sorry, I just found this thread now.

[mpcv2000]

Matrix XRS or Corolla XRS rear disc should bolt right on. You'll only need to re drill the rotors for 4 bolt pattern.

I don't know about the park brake cables though.



That's good.

I'll look into that this winter.

:thumbsup:

[lambornisyoantuan]

I'm also doing a cluster swap from a 2000 Vitz, my stock gauge has no rpm(manual transmission). And i bought a vitz gauge with rpm(automatic transmission). Considering that mpcv2000 and I have the same problem, but the year model of our car is different, also the sockets and wire colors. I hope CTScott can address my problem

[CTScott]

I'm also doing a cluster swap from a 2000 Vitz, my stock gauge has no rpm(manual transmission). And i bought a vitz gauge with rpm(automatic transmission). Considering that mpcv2000 and I have the same problem, but the year model of our car is different, also the sockets and wire colors. I hope CTScott can address my problem

The Vitz has wiring differences from the USDM Echo. You will need to track down the wiring diagrams for your car and for the one which the cluster came from.

[lambornisyoantuan]

http://i612.photobucket.com/albums/tt202/evo9_nepo/12631243_10205960193866778_1844613231_o.jpg (http://s612.photobucket.com/user/evo9_nepo/media/12631243_10205960193866778_1844613231_o.jpg.html)

22pin ^


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18pin ^

http://i612.photobucket.com/albums/tt202/evo9_nepo/12650733_10205992524795031_904319305_n.jpg (http://s612.photobucket.com/user/evo9_nepo/media/12650733_10205992524795031_904319305_n.jpg.html)

stock pin (upper part gauge) ^

http://i612.photobucket.com/albums/tt202/evo9_nepo/12674548_10205992525395046_237571455_n.jpg (http://s612.photobucket.com/user/evo9_nepo/media/12674548_10205992525395046_237571455_n.jpg.html)

stock pin (lower part gauge) ^

actually, its a toyota Echo here in the Philippines.

[lambornisyoantuan]

The Vitz has wiring differences from the USDM Echo. You will need to track down the wiring diagrams for your car and for the one which the cluster came from.

I've successfully changed my cluster. Toyota Echo here in the Philippines was built in Japan, just sayin' :biggrin:

so my problem is i dont know where to tap the "hot" and cold" wires from my RS gauge to the stock wiring harness. I hope you can help me CTScott highly appreciated:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

[engineer6]

Hey Dear,

I also tried changing my old meter (without RPM) with the one having RPM Needle. I followed the same PIN Diagram and things. Thanks God, Every thing is working properly after the swap except for speedometer.

In fact, the new speedometer is showing a delayed speed. Like for testing I turned on the GPS in android and matched with the speedometer and the speedometer reading is 10 km/hr delayed.

For example, meter is showing speed of 40 km/hr while in actuality the speed is 50 KM/HR.

Please help me with this one

[Bluevitz-rs]

Hey Dear,

I also tried changing my old meter (without RPM) with the one having RPM Needle. I followed the same PIN Diagram and things. Thanks God, Every thing is working properly after the swap except for speedometer.

In fact, the new speedometer is showing a delayed speed. Like for testing I turned on the GPS in android and matched with the speedometer and the speedometer reading is 10 km/hr delayed.

For example, meter is showing speed of 40 km/hr while in actuality the speed is 50 KM/HR.

Please help me with this one

You might have a different speed sensor ratio in the transmission that the car the cluster came from.

[engineer6]

You might have a different speed sensor ratio in the transmission that the car the cluster came from.

Thanks for replying. So is there anything I can do about the sensor? I mean can I make any adjustment or I have to buy another speed sensor that is completely synchronised with the new meter?

I was also thinking about resetting the ECU. Would that help?

[Bluevitz-rs]

If it is the case, there's nothing you can do other than completely tear apart the transmission and change the gear on the diff to match the ratio of the other transmission and speed sensor.

The speed signal goes directly from the sensor in the transmission to the cluster and then to the ecu. Resetting the ECU won't do anything. Be sure you don't have a bad connection from your wire changeover. Resistance in the signal wire could be the cause of the low speed indication.

[engineer6]

.YouR point regarding different ratio is plausible as I have tried different meters with the dealer and all had the same issue.

But still to be on safe side, I will check for cold joints causing attenuation in speed signal.

Post Script: for other people information, I am driving Toyota Vitz 2001(not echo or Yaris) imported directly from Japan.

[loud41]

I know this is an old post, but I wanted to complete the work that was started here and finish the wiring diagram for this cluster swap for the hi/low beams problem. After looking at the two diagrams, I'm fairly certain how to get the hi/low beam LED to work on the cluster. The '05 cluster gleans power directly from the headlights in order to power the LED, whereas the '04 cluster has a splice from the main power block that runs the cluster in order to power the light bulb. The connection to the headlight switch merely connects the hi/low beam lamp circuit to ground allowing either the LED or the lightbulb to illuminate when the switch is flipped on.

So my theory is this:
Splice a wire from the '04 connector, C14 pin 1(L-Y), to the '05 connector, C14 pin 22(R-L). This should connect the LED to the 12v power source that runs the entire cluster and should power the LED when you flip on your hi beams.

I can confirm this shortly after I complete my own swap this weekend.

[lambornisyoantuan]

After a long time, i have finally tap my HOT and COLD temperature on my Gauge. there are few switching needed for it to work!

[robbani1585]

Can anyone help me to prove the pinout diagram of clusters which part number is
Z2-4 83800-52260 & ADO 83800-5C050