Midbass

[dihzenyo]

Hi All,

I'm fairly new to this DIY car audio set up. while I was reading and watching some youtube videos, some say that we can install a midbass speakers for better sound.

Can we replace our front speakers with a midbass speakers?
and then replace our rear speakers with a 3 way 6x9?

I'm talking about Yaris Sedan specs.

TIA!:w00t:

[IllusionX]

Put components up front. And replace the rear with 8" mid bass.

BUT, it really depends how you want your soundstage? Because you don't just install them.

Actually, what's mid bass is the woofer part of a component speaker...

[dihzenyo]

because what I was planning to do is to have a 2way or 3 way speaker infront, then midbass at the back.

I saw one post on a different forum that if you already have a midbass at the back, there's no need for a subwoofer in your trunk, is that true?

Will an 8" midbass fit the 6x9 speaker at the back for a yaris sedan 2008?

My target is Sound Quality on the car.

[IllusionX]

Yeah. I ran 8" in the back a whole ago and a set of components in the front.
You just need to cut out an extra 2" out of the 6" from the 6x9.

You need a proper low pass filter though if your HU can't do it. I also suggest using an amp.

[dihzenyo]

can you suggest an HU that can do this? I am not really familiar with all the jargons of ICE.

If you can please share some light,

What I am planning to have is get a 2way infront, midbass at the back (if that can replace a subwoofer in the trunk)

anything else that I need to get (brands, hrtz? ohm? cables?) and need to know?
I am doing a diy on the car by the way :)

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[IllusionX]

can you suggest an HU that can do this? I am not really familiar with all the jargons of ICE.



If you can please share some light,



What I am planning to have is get a 2way infront, midbass at the back (if that can replace a subwoofer in the trunk)



anything else that I need to get (brands, hrtz? ohm? cables?) and need to know?

I am doing a diy on the car by the way :)


I'll think over that for you and get back to you. Lol
I used an alpine 9855 back then. Now my setup is pretty much taken apart.

I used to use a 8" woofer and filter it to 100hz and below.

[sqcomp]

Heads up, the midbass in the rear deck won't truly replace a dedicated subwoofer.

As for source units...there are SO many out there now that are decent that I would recommend a qualifier to your question. How much are you planning to budget for the deck or the entire system?

In my case, I gave my Sony XAV-701 to my wife to use in her Tacoma. I've got so many projects going on that I'm not sure when I'll have the time or money to get another source for my Yaris. When it happens, I'll be playing with the Parrot Asteroid. I had hands on time at an Electronics distributor open house earlier this year and this source was really REALLY smooth! I'm talking about it's overall operation and look as well. It's worth looking into, IMHO.

I'd plug in a Bit One into the Parrot and then throw a three way back into my Yaris. I'm pretty experienced in this so that idea isn't hard at all...especially since I still have the modded pillars from my competition time with the Yaris. I have an interesting idea for the speakers and amplifier layout that I have NEVER seen anyone do just yet in thirty years of SQ competition...

I digress, Illusion's idea about using 8" woofers is a good one for tonal accuracy. I doubled that, using two 8" woofers in a bigger sealed enclosure.

When doing this by yourself, make sure to take your time! I can't stress this enough. Don't get into a hurry just because you want tunes. This will cause you to cut corners and become impatient.

[dihzenyo]

I'll think over that for you and get back to you. Lol
I used an alpine 9855 back then. Now my setup is pretty much taken apart.

I used to use a 8" woofer and filter it to 100hz and below.


Can you please post a pic of your subwoofer setup on the rear deck? I'm really interested on doing this setup:)

What do you mean by filter it to 100hz and below? How do you do that?

Any feedback with thwt kind of setup?

Also, are you not getting any problems rattling any plastic on your rear deck when listening with those 8" subs?

[IllusionX]

As SQComp stated... We don't do this in SQ competitions.

Running mid bass in the rear moves the sound stage front while keeping some bass for the rear. I'd say the bass is pretty good because of the trunk.

Sorry no pics. I had since removed them and out back the 6x9 because my radio does not support low pass filtering and I had to remove my amp due to the lack of space in the trunk.

There will be rattles. My rear deck is sound deadened, but other metal pieces in the trunk do vibrate.

My setup was A/D/S 365cs component speakers, 8" woofers in the rear, a ppi a600/4 amp and the radio was an alpine 9855.

[dihzenyo]

how about this setup:

1.
- 2 way speakers infront
- 3 way speakers rear
- underseat slim subwoofer with ampli


Or

2.
- 2 way infront
- 6x9 speakers rear
- underseat slim subwoofer with ampli

[sqcomp]

I'd go for the second one.

Let us know how the underseat option goes.

[dihzenyo]

Do all underseat sub comes amplified? Or based on my understanding it already have an amplifier pre installed?

[IllusionX]

If you go with a sub, i would go with a 6" coaxial in the rear.

I think most pre-built subs that can fit under the seat already come with an amp built-in. But, they are typically small subs, such as 6 and 8 inches..

[dihzenyo]

will that coaxial be enough to cover the bass sounds?

the largest i've seen on a underseat sub was 10"..

[dihzenyo]

????

[IllusionX]

What do you mean cover the bass sound?

I find round speakers provide better sound quality than oval. The 6x9 will produce more bass than 6". But you will have a sub to make up the loss.

[derickveliz2]

What if you just start deadening the front doors, so the doors perform as a better speaker box!

After deadening the front doors with OEM speakers and HU the Bass was so much better.

D.

[dihzenyo]

what i was thinking is putting an 8" subs on the rear deck. sound deaden it for less rattle.

rather than replacing the 6x9 with another 6x9, and an underseat subs, i'll replace that 6x9 with an 8" subs, and components infront.

what do you guys think?

[IllusionX]

I think you missed it when i said that is what i did back then.

You would play the sub from about 100 to 80hz down, so they play mid-bass.

[sqcomp]

Given some variables, as I see it, the only way you're going to get solid response out of 8" woofers in the back deck is if they're enclosed properly OR if you find some 8" speakers that do well in an IB/free air situation.

As Illusion was starting to mention, one simply doesn't throw in a larger speaker into a space and have perfect frequency response. If that were the case the. We would simply put large woofers in the rear deck and be done with it all. It just doesn't work like that though. There's more to this process than simply replacing speakers and having spectacular sound. There's more that needs to be done.

For simplicity's sake and less headache, I sincerely recommend using the stock mounting points and replacing the speaker with a higher quality version.

As someone who lived on modifying the Yaris, it may seems strange that I suggest that BUT, I'm not seeing any of the key indicators in this discussion from the OP that suggest that he wants to spend the time or the money to properly make a back deck of 8" woofers to replace a sub in such a manner that the end result will be worth the time and effort.

[derickveliz2]

Hi All,

I'm fairly new to this DIY car audio set up. while I was reading and watching some youtube videos, some say that we can install a midbass speakers for better sound.

Can we replace our front speakers with a midbass speakers?
and then replace our rear speakers with a 3 way 6x9?

I'm talking about Yaris Sedan specs.

TIA!:w00t:

Ok, I'll go back to basic questions...

Can we replace our front speakers with a midbass speakers? Yes,

and then replace our rear speakers with a 3 way 6x9? Yes,

Be aware that if you buy speakers with high WATTS rating your Head Unit won't make them play better than stock, all the opposite, you would need to use an amplifier or buy speakers with Low WATTS rating.


and again!

Deaden your doors! will make a huge difference even if you don't change your speakers! make your doors a better speaker box!

D.

[dihzenyo]

I think you missed it when i said that is what i did back then.

You would play the sub from about 100 to 80hz down, so they play mid-bass.

Sorry for the miss.


Its better to have the following:

components front
6x9 3way rear? (as some say it will remove the soundstage from the front speakers, is this true?)
6x9 midbass

Then subs inside the trunk



What do guys think?

[derickveliz2]

Sorry for the miss.

Its better to have the following:

components front
6x9 3way rear? (as some say it will remove the soundstage from the front speakers, is this true?)
6x9 midbass

Then subs inside the trunk

What do guys think?


Without a Digital Sound Processor there is no sound-stage to start with.

Any speakers behind you will pull the stage to the rear, that is why we don't have speakers in the rear! only in FRONT of us. ("we" = pure SQ system)

6x9 speakers in the front door, I don't think so. Too much work.

D.

[_S7V7N_]

Budget ?

Recommendations:
Deck
Equalizer
Amplifier
Front Components.

See how it sounds. In a Sedan you will not miss the rear speakers at first.

Do some sort of sound deadening to enhance midbass of front components.

Would really help if you gave a budget. But with inexperience i wouldn't go higher than a mid level system. Now you'll ask why. There's alot to learn. We could sit here and Preach for hours, but our ears are not all the same. We can coach you in the right direction but First Hand Experience and your perception of how the system sounds and how you feel about it will be all that matters at the end of the day.

[dihzenyo]

Without a Digital Sound Processor there is no sound-stage to start with.

Any speakers behind you will pull the stage to the rear, that is why we don't have speakers in the rear! only in FRONT of us. ("we" = pure SQ system)

6x9 speakers in the front door, I don't think so. Too much work.

D.

Deaden doors, trunk and floor

-Components infront
-Better 6x9 speakers (not a 3way or 2way) just better speakers to replace the factory set
-Ported subs in the trunk

Budget wise, I am not going to purchase everything all at once, maybe 1speaker at a time

How about this?