Is worth it to replace only front and rear speakers?

[tealio]

I have had a full system before, but with my sedan that has the integrated sound system I want to stay as simple as possible.

Would anyone have any opinion on if it would even be worth it to just change out the front and rear speakers and leave everything else stock?

I know it won't make that much difference, I am just looking for a little better sound and the longevity of aftermarket speakers, since I'm sure the paper stock ones won't be bumpin for long.

Also, does anyone that has already replaced their speakers noticed what ohm and power handling the stock ones say on them? I would like to know so I don't buy too nice of speakers that wouldn't even be powered by the stock head unit.

Thanks!!

[uncleyaris]

If you saw the magnets you will change them quick. Take a look in the manual, I remember seeing info on the ohms and power ratings. IMO don't spend to much, but there are alot of decent after market speakers you can get without spending big cash.

[spkrman]

In most situations no.

Remember the puny power we are dealing with here, big speakers will require big power to make them worth it... otherwise the swap will yield improved quality, but much less output. Been there done that in many a car.

I would at *least* upgrade the factory head unit before swapping speakers... but aftermarket speakers are 99.9% of the time going to GREATLY benefit from an amp.

[hasher22]

In most situations no.

Remember the puny power we are dealing with here, big speakers will require big power to make them worth it... otherwise the swap will yield improved quality, but much less output. Been there done that in many a car.

I would at *least* upgrade the factory head unit before swapping speakers... but aftermarket speakers are 99.9% of the time going to GREATLY benefit from an amp.

yea listen to him.....look at his nickname :biggrin:

[IllusionX]

actually no. the fujitsuTen player delivers really good sound quality for its power.

it's enough for many aftermarket speakers out there. i have myself put on some infinity kappa components with the stock unit and it did a good job.

[yv1650c]

so spkrman, if i install aftermarket pioneer kevlar one, there isn't enought power just to get a better sound quality, I believe my car doesn't have tweeters, I believe installing Aftermarket speakers I will get better sound..
I've neever seen my speaker connectors, but should I cut the oem wiring harnness to get the new pioneers connected? or there are any adaptor?.. Otherway are the rear of the hatch, in the doors, if you know somebody who installed rear 6.5"??

[spkrman]

actually no. the fujitsuTen player delivers really good sound quality for its power.

it's enough for many aftermarket speakers out there. i have myself put on some infinity kappa components with the stock unit and it did a good job.

The seperate tweeter made the difference... but other than that, you really need more power to make the swap worth it... you can add a tweeter to the stocker and get pretty good output until you upgrade to an amp.

If I had to get one at a time, I'd get the amp first, then swap out the speakers... but thats me :)

[yv1650c]

so, you recommend going first with an amp?, where can i install an amp? and does it sound good with the oem-adapter to RCA ouputs?

[IllusionX]

The seperate tweeter made the difference... but other than that, you really need more power to make the swap worth it... you can add a tweeter to the stocker and get pretty good output until you upgrade to an amp.

If I had to get one at a time, I'd get the amp first, then swap out the speakers... but thats me :)

nah, it's plenty with the OEM headunit. but it does depend what speakers you are using.
the infinity kappa were well good enough with the oem deck.

now if you're going for higher end speakers... then it's another story.
though, i'm not the guy who pays music out loud. i was reading about someone saying the oem speakers were not loud enough. (ya right)

[boris13]

The OEM head unit doesn't sound too bad to me. I'm thinking of keeping it (or getting the Canadian Yaris RS 6-disc changer/receiver) and using Pioneer Premier TS-D701P 2-way speakers in the front and Pioneer TS-A1781R 4-way speakers in the rear. Both speaker models are oversize (6 3/4") and both are rated for a sensitivity of 91dB (so I'm thinking that the OEM unit's power should be enough to drive them).

Any thoughts? I'm looking for a low-cost upgrade that will give me a fuller sound, more clarity, and a lot more bass without adding a thumping subwoofer.

[spkrman]

so, you recommend going first with an amp?, where can i install an amp? and does it sound good with the oem-adapter to RCA ouputs?

will sound fine, albeit not as good as with a new cd player.

mounted in the spare compartment is probably the easiest place, although if the amp tends to run hot it may overheat in there.

[spkrman]

The OEM head unit doesn't sound too bad to me. I'm thinking of keeping it (or getting the Canadian Yaris RS 6-disc changer/receiver) and using Pioneer Premier TS-D701P 2-way speakers in the front and Pioneer TS-A1781R 4-way speakers in the rear. Both speaker models are oversize (6 3/4") and both are rated for a sensitivity of 91dB (so I'm thinking that the OEM unit's power should be enough to drive them).

Any thoughts? I'm looking for a low-cost upgrade that will give me a fuller sound, more clarity, and a lot more bass without adding a thumping subwoofer.

Any improvement in bass in almost always met with a decrease in output... I only say almost because I'm sure there is an exception to the rule somewhere, but I've never seen it!

The addition of the bright pioneer tweeters will give a sense of "clarity" (although they really aren't "clean" by any means), but I suspect bass output wont increase much if at all.

There are speakers capable of giving a low end similar to a subwoofer, but all of them will require an amp.

Your much better off adding a set of tweeters to the stock setup, and mounting on the A pillar, it'll yield more of an overall improvement than anything you can do at this point, short of adding an amp.

If you can deal with less output, go for a lower end componenet set (as opposed to the kappas listed above, the reference series would be a better choice)... will definitely yield improved quality across the board.

[yv1650c]

I believe too the OEM deck, has very good sound (to me), but I want more clarity, wich would be the best Remplacement Speaker without adding an amp?.. Mb quart coax? I want a very good brand!!! (i was thinking on pioneer but, you said it's bad?

thank you!

[boris13]

Any improvement in bass in almost always met with a decrease in output... I only say almost because I'm sure there is an exception to the rule somewhere, but I've never seen it!

The addition of the bright pioneer tweeters will give a sense of "clarity" (although they really aren't "clean" by any means), but I suspect bass output wont increase much if at all.

There are speakers capable of giving a low end similar to a subwoofer, but all of them will require an amp.

Your much better off adding a set of tweeters to the stock setup, and mounting on the A pillar, it'll yield more of an overall improvement than anything you can do at this point, short of adding an amp.

If you can deal with less output, go for a lower end componenet set (as opposed to the kappas listed above, the reference series would be a better choice)... will definitely yield improved quality across the board.

So, let's say I go ahead and add a small amp (I guess I'd need to hook up a line-out converter or something like that, right?) to the system. Would that drive the speakers better and add some bass? What's your opinion of the Pioneer Premier speakers?

I'd also be interested in what speakers you feel would add low end similar to a subwoofer (I've pretty much decided against adding a sub; I need the room in the back for my dogs). I'm looking to invest $500-700 here, including installation. I should also mention that most of the music I'll be playing is blues, '50s-'60s R&B, and early/classic rock. So I don't need hip-hop style bass thump.

[IllusionX]

You will not add more bass with any infinity reference speakers. (just in reply to spkrman). the infinity kappa series (not kappa perfect) does not required that much power to drive.
Now, i suggest not buying infinity kappa, because they run on 2ohm. BUT, fujitsuten decks are 2ohm stable.

on the other hand.. i've also used Cerwin Vega HED coaxial speakers with the OEM deck.. which delivered fairly decent sound quality.

If you ask me. i say the pioneers you are planning to buy is plenty for you. More bass than stock? not likely.

the echo hatchback does not have rear speakers.. so there wasn't any place to install speakers near the side windows in the rear. so i put them on the rear deck/cover. And i only managed to get a fairly amout of bass that way.

here's a pic of my infinity kappa 652.5i on the rear deck
http://illusionx.dyndns.org/pub/CIMG0721.JPG

Edit: the OEM headunit power output is 17.5w per channel in 4ohm, max 40w x4 for the yaris.

[seriousfun]

Speakers are by far the most important part of any audio system.

All else equal, an upgrade to better 6.5" component or coax speakers will be something you can hear immediately, within the limitiations of the head unit. Quart, Infinity, whatever, do some listening and choose what sounds good.

More power can't hurt - it will increase headroom, so you can play louder with less distortion. A subwoofer - even an under-the-seat Kenwood KSC-SW1 - will relieve the main speakers from some of their burdon and let them sound better.

[spkrman]

So, let's say I go ahead and add a small amp (I guess I'd need to hook up a line-out converter or something like that, right?) to the system. Would that drive the speakers better and add some bass? What's your opinion of the Pioneer Premier speakers?

I'd also be interested in what speakers you feel would add low end similar to a subwoofer (I've pretty much decided against adding a sub; I need the room in the back for my dogs). I'm looking to invest $500-700 here, including installation. I should also mention that most of the music I'll be playing is blues, '50s-'60s R&B, and early/classic rock. So I don't need hip-hop style bass thump.

I would hit up your local reliable audio shop, and let them take care of you. Best buy/circuit city/etc need not apply, tweeter is about as good as it gets with big chains.

You should be able to accomplish your goal within that budget - put your $ into a quality 2 channel amp and quality front components, instead of a 4 channel and all new speakers and you will get the sound you desire :)

[spkrman]

Speakers are by far the most important part of any audio system.

All else equal, an upgrade to better 6.5" component or coax speakers will be something you can hear immediately, within the limitiations of the head unit. Quart, Infinity, whatever, do some listening and choose what sounds good.

More power can't hurt - it will increase headroom, so you can play louder with less distortion. A subwoofer - even an under-the-seat Kenwood KSC-SW1 - will relieve the main speakers from some of their burdon and let them sound better.


Even with just a new radio with a nice EQ + an amp I'd say the stock speakers would outshine most drop-in installs of even components.

Of course better speakers would be improved, but install is always the key :)

[H2XcapePod]

The OEM head unit doesn't sound too bad to me. I'm thinking of keeping it (or getting the Canadian Yaris RS 6-disc changer/receiver) and using Pioneer Premier TS-D701P 2-way speakers in the front and Pioneer TS-A1781R 4-way speakers in the rear. Both speaker models are oversize (6 3/4") and both are rated for a sensitivity of 91dB (so I'm thinking that the OEM unit's power should be enough to drive them).

Any thoughts? I'm looking for a low-cost upgrade that will give me a fuller sound, more clarity, and a lot more bass without adding a thumping subwoofer.

GO For IT!!! I just installed a similar setup this past week,...Pioneer G650 (3-way 6.5) in the front and Pioneer 6881 (4-way 6x8) in the rear. I actually have bass response now and I get good clarity well beyond a comfortable listening level. I do have a problem though. With the factory insulation in the door I can hardly hear the 6x8's in the rear and it seems I get most the bass from the front. Oh yea...I got a Alpine MRP F240 from my buddy on the cheap yesterday. So whenever I get around to installing it that should remedy any other issues...

[elsteverino889]

Well i found some Boston Acoustic 3-way 6x9's a while ago sitting in my grandmas house and i installed them and they work 10x better than the stocks...of course im probably not pushin all the power they have but the sound is alot clearer

[pennyracer]

it would be a good start :)

[talnlnky]

it would be a good start :)

2 yr old thread mang

[Sir A.Y. Atoyot]

Bear in mind that not everyone wants enough volume to rattle the windows. I think that practically any aftermarket speakers will give improved sound at sane volume levels. I wish that someone would do a well illustrated DIY on installing speakers that will fit without modifying anything in the car or scabbing the wiring - that would be useful.

[talnlnky]

Bear in mind that not everyone wants enough volume to rattle the windows. I think that practically any aftermarket speakers will give improved sound at sane volume levels. I wish that someone would do a well illustrated DIY on installing speakers that will fit without modifying anything in the car or scabbing the wiring - that would be useful.

well, you will need adapter plates, but once you have those, you can use the stock wiring... you just have to snip off the connector and put regular disconnects on it.

[ozmdd]

I purchased some reasonable 6.5" cax Harmon-Kardons from Crutchfield.com,a nd they included adapter plates and wiring harness adapters, wich eliminated any wire-cutting. You will have to drill-out the speaker rivets (very easy), and I also had to drill new holes in the adapter plates to get a fit I really liked (plastic=easy to drill/cut), and the sound quality is nice. The doors and rear locations are not even close to sealed enclosures, so they don't do much for bass.
What made my system really nice was swapping the factory head for a Scion Pioneer Head (not the premium, but the 08/09 TC unit that has ipod, sat radio, AAC, etc.) which I picked-up on ebay for $60. :) The other crowning touch was adding a Scion (bazooka-made) powered sub. It comes with a made-for-toyota wiring harness that literally plugs into any stock head unit and works flawlessly. Also fits great in the LB. The sound quality I'm getting approaches some $1K+ systems out there, and is totally stealth, and I didn't cut a single wire. Only non-toyota parts are the speakers, and the upgrade to coax designs really improves definition. The whole swap took me about 4 hours. You can still find the subs on ebay or some websites for under $200.

[sqcomp]

All I can do is sit here and smile. I have some nice speakers just sitting halfway across the world here...just waiting for the sedan...

It's going to take me at least 4 hours per A-pillar for the tweeters/

[dccurrent]

I replaced the entire stereo but the one thing that stands out to me the most is the quality of sound from my Rockford Fosgate Power 6.5's. They really go loud while retaining superb clarity. The highs coming out of those things are incredible.

[swidd]

I ran alpine type X components with tweeters in the A-pillar, and SPR-17C in the back off the stock head unit for a few weeks just now, and its no comparison... The stock speakers are awful. The factory deck has enough power to push those power hungry speakers. The volume just doesn't go very high. But the sound quality and clarity and feeling of presence in the sound, is nevertheless amazingly better with aftermarket speakers.

[derickveliz2]

I have had a full system before, but with my sedan that has the integrated sound system I want to stay as simple as possible.

Would anyone have any opinion on if it would even be worth it to just change out the front and rear speakers and leave everything else stock?

Thanks!!

My guess is and upgrade would help, but if you are not going to use an amp, don't go with speakers rated for LOTS of watts!

Check this out for reference...

http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showpost.php?p=448280&postcount=17


D.

[sqcomp]

Hey Taln...I still notice that we're beating a dead horse...seing as this is such an old thread.

*sigh*

With nothing better to do at this time I'll add that the integrated source has factory EQ settings on it to reduce your bass output at high levels. Question for the class...what can we do about this while retaining the factory source?

I know the answer already...

[derickveliz2]

:bow:Hey Taln...I still notice that we're beating a dead horse...seing as this is such an old thread.

*sigh*

With nothing better to do at this time I'll add that the integrated source has factory EQ settings on it to reduce your bass output at high levels. Question for the class...what can we do about this while retaining the factory source?

I know the answer already...

I know, I know...

http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showpost.php?p=457944&postcount=90



.:clap:

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[talnlnky]

Hey Taln...I still notice that we're beating a dead horse...seing as this is such an old thread.

*sigh*

With nothing better to do at this time I'll add that the integrated source has factory EQ settings on it to reduce your bass output at high levels. Question for the class...what can we do about this while retaining the factory source?

I know the answer already...

yeah... it's good to bring out the old mare once a year... don't you think the taxidermist did a wonderful job on her?


as for your questions... I think my answer for everything this week will be bass shakers/ tactile transducers!!!! Go ahead... ask me a question...

[YarisSedan]

I just replaced my component speakers with the high end ones garm was selling If you want i can let you ahve them for a good price the tweets are already mounted in the door sails so you can have a factory oem look installation. I did what you were talking about initially. There was a huge difference in sound quality. But then i craved for more. So changed out to higher end components with seperate crossover put ina 4 channel amp and replaced the deck.

[sqcomp]

Uh oh...the "crave" has hit? Better back off quick, it adds up fast.

Taln...

Yeah yeah, the horse looks good. What's up with the stuffed jackalope hanging on your wall? I wonder what thread that one's from.

Yea bass shakers!

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:oLbfeIwotB9G-M:http://www.madisound.com/catalog/images/madisound/product/ast-3b-04.jpg

[talnlnky]

Uh oh...the "crave" has hit? Better back off quick, it adds up fast.

Taln...

Yeah yeah, the horse looks good. What's up with the stuffed jackalope hanging on your wall? I wonder what thread that one's from.

Yea bass shakers!

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:oLbfeIwotB9G-M:http://www.madisound.com/catalog/images/madisound/product/ast-3b-04.jpg
you should check out the quality transducers they have on partsexpress now. The stuff they have now days can put out like 20 times the force of the Bass Shaker Pro's.... tho, they also cost hundreds of dollars. I got a pair of the regular shakers a few years back for like $25 on clearance. They're ok, don't expect much from them and they will give you subtle vibration. At the time I had my HT setup in my bedroom cause my roommate hogged the living room with his crap gear. So I installed them in my bed... was really cool watching the matrix and having the bed rumble a bit.

[Malifabian]

Installing aftermarket speakers in the front first will give you a notible difference if your on a budget. Then when you get a chance upgrade the back speakers. As far as a brand is concerned IMO the Apline Type R's sound really good and are better if you like songs that typically use more bass. Even though I have Infiniti's in my car.