Throwout Bearing not under powertrain????

[DebbyM46227]

Does anyone know if the throwout bearing should fall under the 5 year/60,000 mile powertrain Toyota warranty? My car is at the dealer and they isolated the noise (chirping) to either the pressure plate part of the clutch or the throwout bearing. I have 33,000 miles on my 2010 Yaris. Either way they said it's not covered under the factory warranty and will cost me $1018.00 if Toyota parts are used or $854.00 if they buy the parts locally. I'm not sure if I'm being "had" or not. My car has always been driven gently and I don't ride the clutch or anything. I know how to drive a manual, I've been driving them for YEARS. Heck, I don't even hold the clutch in at stoplights.

So much for Japanese quality. Toyota quality for that matter.

[ilikerice]

Straight from the website.. I don't think you have had your for over 60 months so I do believe that the transmission is covered under the powertrain warranty.

http://www.toyota.com/owners/web/pages/resources/owners-manuals?srchid=SEM_google|TOO_Resources_Warranties |_%2Btoyota_%2Bwarranty

Throw that in thier face. I can't read the warranty guide while I am at work right now, but read through it. Next time you go, ask for a manager and have this with you. If you still have your owners manual, this info should be in there also

[ilikerice]

http://www.toyota.com/t3Portal/document/omms/T-MMS-10Yaris/pdf/2010_Yaris_WMG_lr.pdf

Page 12 i the warranty section covers the transmission and parts related to drive train.

[fnkngrv]

I have always been under the impression that the release bearing is wearable item just like brake parts. This is how I have had manufacturers explain it to me. BTW, I have had release bearings go in many vehicles. It may say Toyota on the box, but it is the same manufacturing and tooling process as for any other manufacturer. That being said clutch components are just as susceptible to time as other things like oils and fluids. The release bearing can actually dry out by lack of use just as much as over use. That being said paying that much money for a release bearing to be replaced is ludicrous and I would check all over the place. You can remove the transmission without pulling the engine and the bearing can be replaced in 8 hours easily for dis-assembly, removal, replacement, and reassembly. Hell, if you actually put your mind to it you can do it much faster. It sounds to me like the stealership is trying to take you for a "book" price ride. I am hoping that they are making the quote with the clutch included?

[DebbyM46227]

Thanks! I was looking for a copy of the manual, it's in my car at the dealer. The guy told me anything to do with the clutch was under the basic 36 month/36,000 mile warranty. I see where the clutch COVER is included in the 5 yr/60000 mile powertrain warranty. I have no choice now, I told them 2 hours ago to fix it, but I'm opting for the non-OEM parts.

Is the throwout bearing part of the clutch assembly? One thing, now that I think about it, the past 8-9 months the clutch was a little sticky on damp days until I drove it 2-3 miles.

This comes at a bad time. I lost my job of 20+ years in August and the economy still sucks here in Indianapolis, at least for secretary jobs. I'm struggling enough with making my car payment on unemployment compensation. Thankfully, I have an interview with Manpower as a last resort on Thursday, maybe they can find something for me.

No matter the outcome, I will be filing a dispute with Toyota over this. I've never EVER had a clutch problem with any of my former cars, not even my car before the Yaris, a 1997 Chevy Cavalier, it had 108,000 miles on it and never gave me any transmission problems.

[DebbyM46227]

I'd fight it.

My Yaris (and 2005 Scion xB) had the clutch go out at 28,000 and 35,000 miles respectively. Scion fought me on the xB, but did replace it under warranty. In fact, they had to replace it twice. When the clutch was slipping on the Yaris, they replaced it with no questions asked.

No throw-out bearing should go that early unless you're riding the clutch like a madman (or madwoman).


Thanks! I never EVER ride the clutch.

[DebbyM46227]

It seems the FJ Cruiser has problems with throwout bearings too.

http://www.fjcruiserforums.com/forums/engine-performance/42991-throwout-bearing-chirp-squeak-90.html

[bronsin]

for me.

No matter the outcome, I will be filing a dispute with Toyota over this..

My oil pressure switch went out and cost like $175 to replace at the dealer. I got reimbursed ~$100 from Toyota customer relations when I applied as the service manager suggested.

Have to believe your situation qualifies...

[DebbyM46227]

My oil pressure switch went out and cost like $175 to replace at the dealer. I got reimbursed ~$100 from Toyota customer relations when I applied as the service manager suggested.

Have to believe your situation qualifies...

And, Bronsin....you were right about it being the throwout bearing in my post from January....good call!

[bronsin]

And, Bronsin....you were right about it being the throwout bearing in my post from January....good call!


Time for my 6th star! :headbang:

[DebbyM46227]

My car is back with the new clutch. I opted for the cheaper of the two repairs, using non-genuine Toyota parts. They installed a Sachs clutch kit...Wow! What a difference in the way it feels. I guess when you drive something that's going bad on a day-to-day basis, you don't realize when something isn't quite right. My original clutch was feeling "gritty" at the friction point; I can't think of another word to describe it but gritty-ness. I was thinking it was like that all along. The new one is as smooth as silk. And no more chirping sound. My "nice" complaint letter is already on the way to Toyota.

[IllusionX]

I have always been under the impression that the release bearing is wearable item just like brake parts. This is how I have had manufacturers explain it to me. BTW, I have had release bearings go in many vehicles. It may say Toyota on the box, but it is the same manufacturing and tooling process as for any other manufacturer. That being said clutch components are just as susceptible to time as other things like oils and fluids. The release bearing can actually dry out by lack of use just as much as over use. That being said paying that much money for a release bearing to be replaced is ludicrous and I would check all over the place. You can remove the transmission without pulling the engine and the bearing can be replaced in 8 hours easily for dis-assembly, removal, replacement, and reassembly. Hell, if you actually put your mind to it you can do it much faster. It sounds to me like the stealership is trying to take you for a "book" price ride. I am hoping that they are making the quote with the clutch included?


You just said it.. it's 8hours to replace that bearring. My Toyota dealer charges 115$/hr (CAD), so 1000$ is a fair price i guess..

[bronsin]

The old Beetle had a proceedure in the official service manual to service the throwout bearing. You drilled a hole in the transmission housing and inserted a plastic wand attached to a spray can of lube. There were dimentions to place the hole and a lenth of plastic tube to be inserted. Then you sprayed the bearing.

[DebbyM46227]

Finally heard from Toyota this afternoon. ZERO reimbursement from them; I would have been happy with $100...sorry, but a clutch to ME isn't a wear and tear item. I've driven American cars more than 100,000 miles with never a clutch problem. This is the first clutch that's ever gone out on me.

The Yaris was my first Toyota, and it will be my last. I'll go back to Honda when I want another car.

[fnkngrv]

Too bad to hear that. Don't blame you to make your next vehicle something else since you feel the way that you do. I personally hate DBW.

[Flammable]

Finally heard from Toyota this afternoon. ZERO reimbursement from them; I would have been happy with $100...sorry, but a clutch to ME isn't a wear and tear item. I've driven American cars more than 100,000 miles with never a clutch problem. This is the first clutch that's ever gone out on me.

The Yaris was my first Toyota, and it will be my last. I'll go back to Honda when I want another car.The clutch should have lasted longer than the 36k bumper to bumper warranty but clutches are indeed a wear item just like brake pads. The actual clutch friction disk is made from material similar to brake pads and just like brake pads the clutch's longevity has to do with driving habits and/or mechanical issues. Calipers or slide pins on brakes can seize up and cause pads to wear prematurely. If this happens past the bumper to bumper warranty period it's not covered.

[bronsin]

I blame the drive by wire throttle response. I have my first auto in my Yaris and i can barely smoothly start moving with THAT. I hate to think what a manual would be like (am Im a 35 year manual driver)

[dj92]

Am I right guessing I was better off buying a post-facelift model?
Or shall I only blame it on the age?
The only issue I'm having up to now is a rear muffler that's begun to get louder recently.

[Flammable]

I blame the drive by wire throttle response. I have my first auto in my Yaris and i can barely smoothly start moving with THAT. I hate to think what a manual would be like (am Im a 35 year manual driver)What year is your Yaris bronsin? My 2012 SE is quite smooth throttle wise.

[bronsin]

2009. Perhaps they smoothed it out since then? The wifes 05 Camry is the same.

[Flammable]

2009. Perhaps they smoothed it out since then? The wifes 05 Camry is the same.Maybe so or perhaps mine is an anomaly lol

[DebbyM46227]

I hate to resurrect a year-old thread, but....guess what!

This week I started hearing the same noise the bad throw-out bearing. I know the sound all too well unfortunately.

Exactly 1 month from when my warranty expired from the new clutch installed by Toyota in February 2015.

Monday night I'm paying a visit to their service dept to complain but I doubt it'll do any good. I've driven it less than 9000 miles and I don't do ANYTHING to cause premature wear on a clutch.

They aren't getting another $854.00+++ from me. Even if they decide to fix it with no charge I'm getting rid of this POS.

A car with barely 42K on it shouldn't have this problem.

[fnkngrv]

Just doesn't make sense

Sent from m-o-b-i-l-e

[bronsin]

I hate to resurrect a year-old thread, but....guess what!

This week I started hearing the same noise the bad throw-out bearing. I know the sound all too well unfortunately.

Exactly 1 month from when my warranty expired from the new clutch installed by Toyota in February 2015.

Monday night I'm paying a visit to their service dept to complain but I doubt it'll do any good. I've driven it less than 9000 miles and I don't do ANYTHING to cause premature wear on a clutch.

They aren't getting another $854.00+++ from me. Even if they decide to fix it with no charge I'm getting rid of this POS.

A car with barely 42K on it shouldn't have this problem.


Toyota Customer Service may help you. They refunded the price of an oil pressure sensor that failed out of warranty foe me. But not the labor.
It's painful for me to hear someone call their Yaris a POS but I guess you're right:cry:.

[fnkngrv]

Chatting with some folks that are techs in a couple other groups I am in it seems there is a general consensus of the following in general:

There've been issues on a bunch of Toyotas with scoring on the input shaft sleeve that the bearing slides on, causing it to not slide back and get overworked. I wonder if they've checked that to see if it's sticking when replacing it?

[DebbyM46227]

Toyota Customer Service may help you. They refunded the price of an oil pressure sensor that failed out of warranty foe me. But not the labor.
It's painful for me to hear someone call their Yaris a POS but I guess you're right:cry:.

Bronsin, last year I wrote 2 letters to Toyota (I was nice :smile:) and I talked to them 2 or 3 times by phone and they wouldn't budge on giving me a refund of ANY of my money.

[DebbyM46227]

Chatting with some folks that are techs in a couple other groups I am in it seems there is a general consensus of the following in general:

There've been issues on a bunch of Toyotas with scoring on the input shaft sleeve that the bearing slides on, causing it to not slide back and get overworked. I wonder if they've checked that to see if it's sticking when replacing it?

Thanks for letting me know about this. I'll ask when I take it in Monday.

Thinking about a new Nissan Juke now.

[bronsin]

Bronsin, last year I wrote 2 letters to Toyota (I was nice :smile:) and I talked to them 2 or 3 times by phone and they wouldn't budge on giving me a refund of ANY of my money.

Well now Toyota will pay the price of having an unhappy customer telling her story to prospective buyers. I know I would not recommend a Toyota with a clutch given the throttle response of my drive by wire engine. Also the wifes 05 Camry has a similar problem.

[tarkus]

2009. Perhaps they smoothed it out since then? The wifes 05 Camry is the same. Even if they decide to fix it with no charge I'm getting rid of this POS. A car with barely 42K on it shouldn't have this problem.
Sounds like a case of extreme bad luck. Currently I have a 2006 Camry and 2006 Yaris, after my 2004 Echo hatchback got totalled. They are all running (or ran) perfectly smoothly. The Camry has well over 200k as did the Echo. Car reliability stats put these Toyotas right at the top, as do the mechanics I know. A master mechanic friend of mine even swears the 1.5 litre Echo/Yaris engine is one of the best engines to exist on this planet. I'm not sure I would quite go that far myself, but he's omone who knows what he's talking about.

The most recent made in USA Yaris is partly Mazda, and may not be as reliable according to some folks. I was always a total fan of big name European cars before - BMW, Audi, Saab had them all. The biggest issues I had were with a BMW 528i that cost me thousands in ignition/ECU problems.

[bronsin]

The Yaris engine and auto tranny are indeed the BEST on the planet that I know of.

[DebbyM46227]

Last night I traded her in. I felt like I was losing a good friend who'd let me down. It was years since I'd felt this way about a car, my other one being my old Honda CRX which I kept for 9 trouble-free years. I loved my Yaris almost as much as my CRX, but I'd hate possibly replacing the clutch every year.

I decided on a brand-new, but leftover, 2015 Nissan Versa SV. A complete turnaround from my tiny Yaris. It has only 67 miles on it. And it has the CVT transmission.

I originally wanted a Juke, but they were priced too high out of my budget, I could have afforded a lease but I like to buy my cars. Plus the Juke was hard to see out of over those buggy-eyed lights that stick out of the hood, plus the back visibility to the right rear was horrible.

[ern-diz]

Last night I traded her in. I felt like I was losing a good friend who'd let me down. It was years since I'd felt this way about a car, my other one being my old Honda CRX which I kept for 9 trouble-free years. I loved my Yaris almost as much as my CRX, but I'd hate possibly replacing the clutch every year.

I decided on a brand-new, but leftover, 2015 Nissan Versa SV. A complete turnaround from my tiny Yaris. It has only 67 miles on it. And it has the CVT transmission.

I originally wanted a Juke, but they were priced too high out of my budget, I could have afforded a lease but I like to buy my cars. Plus the Juke was hard to see out of over those buggy-eyed lights that stick out of the hood, plus the back visibility to the right rear was horrible.

Congrats on the new ride; that's always fun.

Sorry to hear you had that much trouble with your clutch. My vader helmet is coming up on 9 yrs old with 65k on it and I just replaced the water pump, drive belt and a leaking axle seal. Haven't had any real trouble outside of that. I did have to replace the rack and pinion at around 40k, but my car was backed into by a friend, which is what I think the root cause of that issue was.

Hopefully the Versa does you right. Enjoy!

[bronsin]

:thumbsup:You're due for some good fortune! Good luck!

[tarkus]

Last night I traded her in.

http://www.whatisdeepfried.com/MEDIA/peanuts_aaugh.gif

I originally wanted a Juke, but they were priced too high out of my budget... In time to come you'll probably be glad you didn't buy the Juke. Here in Canada, it was voted last year, as being the ugliest car on the road. :laugh:

[BLKHILLSGUY]

Sorry about the Yaris clutch. I hope you have better luck with the Nissan. However, I haven't heard very many good things about Nissan CVT's.