TTR Yaris Turbo 2015 Updates

[fnkngrv]

Going to be making some updates to the car again the first few months of the year. For now I am just going to post a link to my photobucket album and will update further as I make progress.

quick run down though:

- Turbo inlet piping resolution (notching framerail)
- Turbo inlet piping and filter reroute and size increase
- Turbo to IC piping reroute and size increase
- Possible new BOV and location
- IC to TB piping size increase
- Cable TB conversion (Yeah buddy! will have the stock ECU 100% out of the picture)
- TB size upgrade
- Possible change from Long Runner Intake Manifold to Short Runner
- Install of new ACT 6 puck Stage 3 racing clutch setup
- New custom radiator and fan setup
- Additional heat shielding on tunnel
- upgrading to 3" exhaust DP back with duel outlet
- removable cat section (v-band style)
- install of TRD Trans Mount (dogbone)
- possible screamer pipe of wastegate for the hell of it




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[Ryze268]

Sounds good, dibs on the intake manifold if you decide to upgrade :)

[fnkngrv]

Dude, I have had so many people overseas try to hit me up for the manifold it is stupid. I already have 4 offers on the table.

[KTS]

Do you have any details on the DBC TB conversion? I am in the process of attempting that conversion myself.

[fnkngrv]

Not right now, but I will in the next few weeks. I will have the parts soon.

[fnkngrv]

Added some more pics today.

We decided due to losing the garage soon (short story friend is renting a house and it is for sale; someone is buying) that the battery relocation needs to get done first so that I can get the cover back on the fuel tank. We need to put in the replacement fuel pump and then it is just easier to wire into the trunk for it rather than doing a run up to the front and then end up a couple months later pulling it back to the battery. I am looking at a few options on the relocation of the battery.

Also still trying to hammer out a turbo manifold and the situation is bleak for sure. can't really notch the frame rail as it is right where the suspension bolts up so checking out a couple other options. Really sucks with a motor like the 1nz being in 20 vehicles over the years how hard it is to find a turbo manifold worth a damn that doesn't stick the turbo at the front right of the car (when facing).

[fnkngrv]

Well, ran into a space issue with the new manifold that I ordered as the BW snail is just so damned big! Going to be taking measurements to use the new manifold as a donor toward if possible an equal length version. Also decided that the battery relocation that was planned will need to be postponed. Funding issue and some other logistics are the key issue there.

I am however going to replace the fuse block on the positive terminal as well as a new terminal for both + & - as a refresh.

Received my shift light courtesy of MI too so I am excited to get installed and hooked up. Kind of a pain to have to monitor the stock gauge at 150+ mph.

Ordering the new BOV this week as well as the two AIT kits. Onw for just before the IC and then one just before the TB.

After a mishap for my beat friend with his transmission I have also decided to install a tranny temp gauge as well.

Installed the new fuel pump this weekend and got that all buttoned up so that is progress at least.

[fnkngrv]

Ended up pulling the trigger on a set of those Tanabe Coilovers from MicroImage. Needed to do something since the car sits so low with the body kit that I can't even get it on a trailer to move it! Big thanks to Garm for quality service and speedy shipment.

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[WorkTL]

Interested in intake also.

[fnkngrv]

Well unfortunately it has again been a while for any updating. I have been stalled by the turbo manifold issue however that shouldn't be the case much longer. I have procured a contact and they have had a duplicate of their manifold fabbed for me.

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I am awaiting shipping costs and she will be on the way!

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[ilikerice]

WOW! that real nice looking.

[fnkngrv]

WOW! that real nice looking.
Yes, I agree. I am very excited and at the same time apprehension. This was fabricated from a long distance. We had to calculate measurements via documentation and messaging.
WOW! that real nice looking.

[CrankyOldMan]

Pardon my ignorance, but what's the stub at the bottom for? External wastegate?

[fnkngrv]

Pardon my ignorance, but what's the stub at the bottom for? External wastegate?
Yessir! I will be welding the flange myself.

[LittleM@n]

Wow! How much was the manifold?
I'm in search for one, and beside the 2 types ebay log style, it seems that I can't find anything, especially tubular ones, and is quite expensive to manufacture locally.

Thanks!

[xnamerxx]

Out of curiosity what kind of RPMs are you turning in that thing?

[fnkngrv]

Wow! How much was the manifold?
I'm in search for one, and beside the 2 types ebay log style, it seems that I can't find anything, especially tubular ones, and is quite expensive to manufacture locally.

Thanks!

The manifold wasn't cheap that is for sure. I have been in discussions with another shop about possibly designing a different hybrid style manifold for the community if there is enough interest. My manifold is one of onlyntwo produced.

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[fnkngrv]

Out of curiosity what kind of RPMs are you turning in that thing?
I set the rev limit at 7500 last fall however hp drops off before that once I get into 3rd with the long runner MI intake manifold and stock TB. A lot of my design is changing again this year. I will be doing a new custom intake manifold to better suit my turbo and build power band. The theoretical r0m limit could be set at 9k, but there would be no justifiable reason for it.

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[47_MasoN_47]

Nice, glad to see you're still keeping the dream alive :D

[fnkngrv]

Manifold now in hand! Time to test fit and see if I am going to cry or not.


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[LTHatch]

That manifold looks awesome! How are you going to route your downpipe?

[fnkngrv]

That manifold looks awesome! How are you going to route your downpipe?
Very carefully! Haha. It will be routed below the manifold and down the tunnel.

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[LTHatch]

Lol i see you're changing your setup quite a bit, whats your new speed goal when you have her all buttoned up?

[fnkngrv]

Believe me. I had no intention of updating the setup so soon, but after finding about the issues with the old t mani I pretty much ran out of options. I could have had another log mani fabbed, but with the setup time/cost having a tubular made more sense. I also have the cooling issues so there will be the reroute of the IC piping for obvious reasons, the install of the new rad, and hopefully putting the AC back in.

I am still chasing 175mph in the standing mile. My best effort so far unofficially netted me just over 151.

I spoke with a racing shop near Houston this evening and once we get moved to DFW I plan on making a trip down to discuss a new intake manifold along with installing the cable TB. I would like to attend the Texas Mile next spring and possibly TX2k.

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[LTHatch]

151 in a Yaris, you sir are insane in a good way lol. Hopefully you'll get her up by the schedule you have set, your Yaris in the Texas mile blasting over 150+ will bring the community some much needed attention. Do you happen to know what parts are needed to do a DBW to cable conversion?

[fnkngrv]

151 in a Yaris, you sir are insane in a good way lol. Hopefully you'll get her up by the schedule you have set, your Yaris in the Texas mile blasting over 150+ will bring the community some much needed attention. Do you happen to know what parts are needed to do a DBW to cable conversion?
Cable TB, cable, gas pedal. Splicing the TPS. Can't recall off hand if anything else. I have what I need. Bought it over the winter. The parts are in atorage right now. I will have to do a new TB charge pipe when I do install it since the pipe will be 3" instead of 2.25" coming from the IC.

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[LTHatch]

Thank you, please keep us updated with pictures. Your new manifold looks awesome, cant wait to see how your intake manifold setup will look.

[fnkngrv]

151 in a Yaris, you sir are insane in a good way lol.

Thanks. I love the car at that speed. Taken her almost to 170 actually. Once again unofficially. I will be able to tweak further stability wise too bow that I have the Tanabe coilovers I bought from MI. They will allow me to raise the car to be able to trailer if needed or to be towed. I will also be able to press her as close to the ground as I can as long as she stays stable and doesn't build a band of "fixed" air under her.

I would love one day to take her to a wind tunnel to see what really happens with the air, but that for now is a pipe dream.



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[fnkngrv]

Thank you, please keep us updated with pictures. Your new manifold looks awesome, cant wait to see how your intake manifold setup will look.
The intake manifold will be a while I wager, but I will. It will be pretty expensive unless I get sponsorship or really lucky.

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[CrankyOldMan]

Thanks. I love the car at that speed. Taken her almost to 170 actually. Once again unofficially.



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I thought we determined that 164 was the mechanical limit of the gearbox, didn't we? Even so, that's crazy fast!

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[fnkngrv]

I thought we determined that 164 was the mechanical limit of the gearbox, didn't we? Even so, that's crazy fast!

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That is what we thought, but my Ulysses Speedometer Pro GPS came in at 168. I had saved the log on my phone, but when I was in PHX in march VZW swapped it thinking my hotspot chip was bad so I lost the logs. They can be imported to a text file, but anyone can manipulate those so rather than possibly be disputed I just left it alone. I should have done a screen cap I guess, but I honestly could care less if people believe me or not.

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[fnkngrv]

I thought we determined that 164 was the mechanical limit of the gearbox, didn't we? Even so, that's crazy fast!

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Also the 164 is what GSD said that theu hit when tuning @7000. I ran her up to 7500 this last fall.

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[fnkngrv]

Started the preliminary work to bolt everything back together.

New ACT Stage 3 clutch:

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Turbo manifold install:

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Some fabrication required:

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[LTHatch]

My lord, that last picture send shivers down my spine. Can't wait to see what your downpipe will look like in that tiny bit of space lol

[fnkngrv]

Haha. Looks worse than it is. The downpipe will be minor. Almost a direct 90° down into the tunnel. The dump pipe off the wastegate will be fun. I haven't decided if I am going to do an open dump or recirc into the downpipe yet. Part of me really wants an open dump. Part of me doesn't wanna deal with the noise on an open dump....haha

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[LTHatch]

Just saw the wastegate mount, damn. That turbo mounted sideways like that looks menacing! Dump it of course, even if its just to be one of the handful of fellas with that type of setup lol

[fnkngrv]

I should dump it with a bozosuko pipe....lmao

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[LTHatch]

LOL the inspection team at the Land Speed event would love it!

[fnkngrv]

They would laugh me offf the tarmac!

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[CrankyOldMan]

I should dump it with a bozosuko pipe....lmao

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I can't even.

[fnkngrv]

Well I do have to say that my updates on here have been lacking! A lot of business travel has hindered my progress. The plans are to move to the DFW area in TX before the 1st of the year. That being said I should be making solid headway into the upgrades and changes over the coming weeks.

For now I can share that I recently purchased this catalytic converter from Vibrant this last week. There are emissions in TX so I wanted to be sure that I am street legal. It is a very pricey unit, but I spoke with one of the actual design engineers and he strongly recommended it. Most due to the long duration of being in high temp boost scenarios. Most guys are sitting at several seconds at max boost so they are less likely to cause serious thermal wear. I am actually pretty excited to see how it does because they have documented proof with boosted builds of either losing very little or no loss at all compared to a straight through or gutted setup.

Vibrant 7830 (http://vibrantperformance.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=1468_1469_1326&products_id=2069)

[47_MasoN_47]

A lot of the guys on infamous said that you can pass the TX emissions for $50-100, if you want to do that instead of dinking with your car lol.

[fnkngrv]

Been another few weeks. I just figured out the new pipe routing so had to make some of the purchases. Of course since nothing I do is easy or cut and dry I couldn't just by an intercooler piping kit for example because I need 3 diameters (2.5" for turbo inlet, 2" hot side, and 3" cold into the new TB). We are doing a fully custom one off intake manifold. Once it is fabbed I will share photos.

As for the IC piping order here's what I'm thinking is going to be the final setup:

1- 3" to 2.5" coupler
3- 2.5" couplers
1- 2" to 2.5" coupler
6- 90* 2.5" pipes
2- 180* 2.5" pipes
1- 2.5" straight section of pipe.
1- 3" t-bolt clamp
8- 2.5" t-bolt clamps
1- 2" t-bolt clamp

[fnkngrv]

So a few updates photos. Some custom brake line work, heater hose modification, shifter linkage rerouting, turbo mounting, radiator mounting, and IC pipe routing completed plus getting the AC replumbed again. Starting to come together!

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[LTHatch]

That looks sinister! Cant wait to see how it will look with the new intake manifold.

[fnkngrv]

The intake manifold is actually going to be on the passenger side facing the opposite direction as stock to reduce flow directional changes since I am having to stay with the intercooler from last year. It is supposed to be good to up to 22psi of boost so that should be sufficient for now and will evaluate AITs to determine when I will go bigger. This new setup should net a healthy increase in power.

[LTHatch]

You seem to be the first in the Yaris community to do that with the manifold, did you figure out what the specs on the manifold will be?(runner length, runner width, plenum size) Completely off topic but i just noticed the carbon fiber valve cover, that looks fantastic! Paint or wrap or?

[47_MasoN_47]

Bro, you are nuts.

[tmontague]

awesome to see someone taking this one themselves. I'll definitely be following this and looking forward to seeing the progress.

I'd love to go boosted one day but it seems more of a headache for a DD. The Blitz SC is ideal but out of my price range for now.

[47_MasoN_47]

40k miles on my Blitz so far and nary a problem.

[Focus_Sh1ft]

Wow. Coming along nicely! :thumbup:

[fnkngrv]

You seem to be the first in the Yaris community to do that with the manifold, did you figure out what the specs on the manifold will be?(runner length, runner width, plenum size) Completely off topic but i just noticed the carbon fiber valve cover, that looks fantastic! Paint or wrap or?
We will be designing runner length specifically tuned to my turbo and its powerband. The valve cover is hydrodipped CF. It will most likely actually be blasted and redone. I had some rubbing issues with my old IC piping.

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[fnkngrv]

awesome to see someone taking this one themselves. I'll definitely be following this and looking forward to seeing the progress.

I'd love to go boosted one day but it seems more of a headache for a DD. The Blitz SC is ideal but out of my price range for now.
Thanks. It has become a love/hate relationship now....haha.

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[fnkngrv]

Little more progress. Turbo outlet side IC piping has been completed and test fitted along with the inlet piping.


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[fnkngrv]

Wow. Coming along nicely! [emoji106]
Thanks bro

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[fnkngrv]

Intake manifold starring to come together. All goes well it will be complete tomorrow.

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[LTHatch]

That is bad ass! You sir are living the dream most of us wish we could afford lol.

[fnkngrv]

Intake manifold now almost completed. Super bummed that we have to keep the OEM orientation for it, but the damned alternator and Cam position sensor are in the way to pivot it to a passenger side entry. Stupid, but what can one do.

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[tmontague]

Very nice work. How do you plan on mounting the TB to the intake manifold?

[LTHatch]

What size throttle body is that?

[fnkngrv]

Very nice work. How do you plan on mounting the TB to the intake manifold?
We will be fabricating a custom mounting plate.

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[fnkngrv]

What size throttle body is that?

76mm. I really wanted to pick up the Ross Racing unit, but don't have the 350 bucks for it in the budget. The mustang 5.0 TB would have been perfect since the EMSv2 already has calibrations built right in for it. Also lets be honest in that the Ross unit looks stupid sexy...lol



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[fnkngrv]

Piping is complete end to end. Next step is fabbing the mounting plate for the throttle body.

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[MedMantle]

Looking so awesome! Can't wait to see how the Drive by Cable is gonna work, would be an awesome mod for a lot of the N/A guys as well! :D

[LTHatch]

The progress is insane, the car will be done in no time at all at this pace. Any chance you can record a first start up video?

[fnkngrv]

The progress is insane, the car will be done in no time at all at this pace. Any chance you can record a first start up video?
We probably can. We will be renting a Dyno for an entire day to do the tune so will have videos from that for sure this time.

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[fnkngrv]

We still have this stuff to knock out off the top of my head:

- TB mounting
- wastegate install
- dump pipe install
- finish AC
- finish radiator plumping and fan wiring
- battery relocation
- shift light install
- fluid change
- torque damper install (modification of cowl mounting plate required)
- full exhaust install


So plenty left to get done

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[fnkngrv]

Had to have a local shop order the 1/2" thick aluminum for the custom TB mounting plate. Due to freezing rain the truck didn't make it today which was a bummer, but at least we were able to make the dry fitting of the new torque damper. Minor modifications required because of course nothing ever just fits. Need to hit up Fastenal tomorrow for extended grade 8 engine mount bolts to be able to shim the damper so that it isn't resting on the engine mount shock absorber.

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Running into some fun with the TPS connector. The TPS for this TB uses a 3 wire connector; not 4 so I have been spending the last couple days trying terribly hard to find a connector with pigtail. It actually makes me wish again that I just bought the Ross Racing TB, but I digress. The skinny is that you have 3 options for Yota TPS connectors; you wait forever for the always out of stock connector from Standard Motor Products, buy a full harness on eBay and then try to sell off the rest of the harness you don't need, or pay someone thru the nose for the single connector. I am ending up with the 3rd option in the interest of time and convenience.

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[ilikerice]

bad ass intake mani you got there...

Have you ever told your wife that you were getting a Mani and she got excited and said she wanted to go with you. So you took her to a fabricator machine shop? hehe

[fnkngrv]

bad ass intake mani you got there...

Have you ever told your wife that you were getting a Mani and she got excited and said she wanted to go with you. So you took her to a fabricator machine shop? hehe

I am currently divorced. She has told me if we were still married that she would have divorced me again over the car....hahaha

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[fnkngrv]

Intake manifold is now completed with exception of the vacuum bungs, final internal porting, and powder coating.

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[tmontague]

excellent work, the manifold looks nice. I can't remember if you already answered this, but what are you using for engine management?

[fnkngrv]

excellent work, the manifold looks nice. I can't remember if you already answered this, but what are you using for engine management?
Thank you.

AEM EMSv2 with a custom built Dezod Motorsports harness.

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[tmontague]

That is a full standalone unit I'm assuming?

Looking forward to it starting up, should be some impressive power coming out of it

[fnkngrv]

That is a full standalone unit I'm assuming?

Looking forward to it starting up, should be some impressive power coming out of it
Yes this unit is a full stand alone. The one thing about most builds is that people leave the drive by wire and place and they still use the MAF sensor. If that is the case then you're actually using it as a piggyback. You are still having the stock ECU handle some signaling. As of last year my build was 250 to the wheels and I was running my drive by wire throttle body still. This year I've made the switch over to cable plus the fact that I got rid of the MAF all together last year. I am looking for a great increase in potential as I have made solid jumps inflow from the turbo to the head as well as the exhaust manifold to the end of the exhaust itself. The head has an excellent port on it and has just been waiting to get the flow that it deserves.

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[LTHatch]

The whole setup is looking good, real frightening. Whats the weakest link in your Yaris after the new upgrades? Can't wait to see what you guys do with the downpipe/wastegate routing.

[fnkngrv]

Since I have the TRD dogbone and the torque damper the CV shafts should be fine. I still have a stock trans and even tho I now have that 6 puck ACT stage III clutch that could be an issue. An engineer from ACT pretty much said flat out that over 300tq and I will need a truly custom clutch assembly because he doesn't think it will hold up over the long haul at the duration I will be running with high rpm shifts. Guess only time will tell. Garm's axles as well as a few of the folks I have talked with from PTR held up fine with mid 300s. Chew I believe is still running stock axles on his 500+whp build.

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[LTHatch]

Well that's what you get for being one of the Yaris platform pioneers lol. Who's going to tune your Yaris after you're completely done?

[fnkngrv]

Well that's what you get for being one of the Yaris platform pioneers lol. Who's going to tune your Yaris after you're completely done?
I and my buddy will be. The plan is to head to the Dyno down state and rent it for a day. Then sadly it will be put into storage until we move in a couple months. I sold my winters and the falken 912s aren't very good in sub 30° weather.

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[LTHatch]

Are you going to record the dyno runs as well?

[fnkngrv]

Are you going to record the dyno runs as well?
Yes we do plan on doing so if all goes well.

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[fnkngrv]

The whole setup is looking good, real frightening. Whats the weakest link in your Yaris after the new upgrades? Can't wait to see what you guys do with the downpipe/wastegate routing.
Per your request. The wastegate is mounted on the manifold directly below the turbo. The dump pipe routing as you can see comes out and will dump in front of the transmission as a screamer pipe. The pipe has a mounting bracket that will allow it to move with the trans/motor during load. We will have to cut a hole in my MI underpanel. We had kicked around the idea of porting it out of the front fender right behind the driver's headlight, but the shape of the headlight housing itself made that pretty dicey. I am a bit bummed about it to be honest because I think that it would be fun to spit fire out of the side of the car, but alas just not in the cards. It would have also been a PITA if we did that as soot would run the side of the car.

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[fnkngrv]

We were going to custom fab up the battery kit, but in the efforts to cut time I instead picked up this kit from Taylor Cable. The good thing about this is that since it is 8.1 certified with NHRA the LSRs will accept it as well.

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[LTHatch]

That's a creative way of routing the dump tube in that small amount of space, she's going to make all kinds of scary noises.
Thank you for the pictures,is the fuel line/wiring loom/coolant lines that close to the dump tube or is it just the pictures?

EDIT: Are you going to use a stock sized battery with that relocation?

[fnkngrv]

That's a creative way of routing the dump tube in that small amount of space, she's going to make all kinds of scary noises.
Thank you for the pictures,is the fuel line/wiring loom/coolant lines that close to the dump tube or is it just the pictures?

EDIT: Are you going to use a stock sized battery with that relocation?
Because of everything right now being dry still doing work the fuel lines and wire loom are not in their final positions.

As for the battery no its not a stock size battery. it's actually a different battery which is smaller however still somewhat heavy due to the fact that it will provide me the additional amp hours needed to drive all of my extra electronics compared to what a racing battery would do. I got a great deal so pulled the trigger a few months ago:

http://www.amazon.com/Kinetik-HC800-BLU-Watt-Power-Cell/dp/B000LUDEOI

We plan to mod the Taylor box to drop the size and conserve space in the trunk.

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[fnkngrv]

New Intake Manifold has been 100% completed as well as the throttle body being plumbed. Pretty pumped about this. Also a sneak peak of the new color scheme. The "satin black" appears to be much more of a gunmetal pearl, but it is starting to grow on me. The purple is in honor of the other half as it is her favorite color. Who knows if she will like it tho since she has grown to really dislike the car....haha.

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[tmontague]

Is your fuel in line on the opposite side as stock or did you add a fuel return line?

[fnkngrv]

Is your fuel in line on the opposite side as stock or did you add a fuel return line?


we ran a new braided line for the fuel inbound and used the stock line for the return. that is the standard setup for folks that upgrade the system on these cars.

[fnkngrv]

So close to firing the sleeping dragon we can taste it.

Exhaust piping arrived to day:


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Quick and dirty of the remaining items:

- valve cover blast and coat
- coil pack vanity cover
- install new valve cover stainless bolts
- finish battery reloc
- finish wiring for hot side AIT sensor
- finish exhaust
- install shift light


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[tmontague]

Can't wait to hear it fire up, looking forward to the videos of that happening

what is that second smaller looking airfilter located near you intake filter?

Second Q is why do you run a return fuel line vs how it's set up stock with no return line? I'm assuming it has something to do w/ the extra fuel pressure you need to run with the larger injectors.

[fnkngrv]

Oil catch can.


When you go boosted the rule of thumb is 1psi of fuel pressure per 1psi of boost. The fuel pump delivers more fuel to the engine than it actually needs in this scenario. The excess fuel is then routed back to the fuel tank through a pressure regulator and return line.

A returnless fuel injection system, by comparison, manages fuel pressure a little differently. Instead of using a spring-loaded vacuum diaphragm in the regulator to change fuel delivery when throttle opening and intake vacuum change, the regulator in a returnless system operates at a constant pressure.*

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[tmontague]

Thanks for the explanation, makes sense.

For the oil catch can, would the breather filter on it not cause a vacuum leak as it is no longer a closed system?

[fnkngrv]

Thanks for the explanation, makes sense.

For the oil catch can, would the breather filter on it not cause a vacuum leak as it is no longer a closed system?
No. The pressure needs to either recirc or vent to atmo. When you aren't using a catch can to collect blow by the pcv handles it.

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[tmontague]

I see. Are you using the vacuum line that runs from the pcv to feed your catch can? And if so did you remove your pcv or do you still have it installed?

I'm currently running a catch can from my pcv line with the pcv still installed which feeds back into the intake manifold (no breather filter so it's a fully closed system). Catches about an ounce or so per 10,000km. I'm curious as to how you have yours set up w/ all the extra boost

[LTHatch]

My lord, look at that! Traction is only going to be a dream after that monster fires up lol. Judging by how fast you guys are building her, this will be one heck of a gift for yourself and the community. Can't wait to see how the down pipe and exhaust will look!

[Focus_Sh1ft]

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:wub:

Incredible, can't wait to see her in action!

Traction is only going to be a dream after that monster fires up lol

Definitely a good point. How are you going to handle it? Does the EMS have traction control?

[fnkngrv]

:wub:

Incredible, can't wait to see her in action!



Definitely a good point. How are you going to handle it? Does the EMS have traction control?

It will be a learning curve no matter what with the conversion to cable TB since it will be instant throttle response. I know that when Garm took me for a ride he was having difficulty hooking up to a point with his LB. AFAIK his LB actually had a Motec EMS and not AEM so that may have been a contributing factor. There are still a ton of features I have not tapped into with my EMS.

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[fnkngrv]

My lord, look at that! Traction is only going to be a dream after that monster fires up lol. Judging by how fast you guys are building her, this will be one heck of a gift for yourself and the community. Can't wait to see how the down pipe and exhaust will look!

Downpipe was already completed.

As for exhaust the middle 4' with the cat will be v-banded so that when I race I can remove it and put on a 75° dump tip instead. I had kicked around doing an electronic cutout but after tons of research decided to ditch the idea.

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[LTHatch]

Ahh you're right, barely can see it with the wrap on it. What muffler/resonator are you going with?

[fnkngrv]

Ahh you're right, barely can see it with the wrap on it. What muffler/resonator are you going with?
Bbbwwwuuuuhahahahahaha.


Oh you were serious ;-)


None. Only will have the Vibrant cat and straight pipe.

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[Focus_Sh1ft]

It will be a learning curve no matter what with the conversion to cable TB since it will be instant throttle response. I know that when Garm took me for a ride he was having difficulty hooking up to a point with his LB. AFAIK his LB actually had a Motec EMS and not AEM so that may have been a contributing factor. There are still a ton of features I have not tapped into with my EMS.

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Actually, his tC has the Motec, and I kind of hate it. It's comprehensive, but it's dated and I absolutely hate that Motec hides additional features behind a paywall ($180 for traction control, $800 FOR CLOSED LAMBDA TUNING - I MEAN C'MON REALLY?)

His LB had an AEM EMS, but that doesn't necessarily mean traction control was tuned since it's more work. The good news is that even if you throw on really wide tires, you probably won't be in tram-lining territory.

[fnkngrv]

Traction control in a stand alone can only go so far anyway since it isn't tied into the actual suspension on this chassis. Only time will tell on how this goes. The few other sedans I have seen running serious power essentially have to have a very specific tune to maximize take off and gear change performance.

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[fnkngrv]

Battery relocation and exhaust have been completed. Did a first start up this afternoon:

Tiamat 2015 First Start (https://youtu.be/fLYdgIYnHBg)


Hard to believe that the car has been off the road for over a year! This is a quick video of the new setup at first start. Seem to have a fuel pressure sensor issue or something as the gauge isn't reading correctly compared to what the EMS is showing so will need to figure that one out. Next step will be getting her loaded up and brought to the dyno hopefully in the next couple weeks.

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[LTHatch]

Holy space balls, that doesn't sound like any econobox i have ever heard lol. Sounds amazing, you did an outstanding job on your Yaris.

Is the exhaust hitting the rear tow hook?

[fnkngrv]

No, but it is pretty close. That is the problem with this body kit to be honest. We do have one hanger left to place on the passenger side and then the dummy pipe on the driver's.

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[LTHatch]

Ahhh ok, in the picture that shows your rear springs, what the heck is in your right rear spring?

[fnkngrv]

I have spacers in the springs because the body kit actually drops the base of the body by ,1 1/2" compared to the stock S lip kit. Eventually I will get my tanabe coilovers in, but it will have to wait as I am getting pretty tapped out now from the build.

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[tmontague]

What an awesome sounds. When your Yaris was cranking and something hit the floor I thought it was your engine...my heart skipped a beat for a minute until I realized that your engine was still turning over fine

[fnkngrv]

Yeah, that was actually the engine backfiring. With how much has changed the cold and hot tunes need to be adjusted a fair amount. We also need to figure out the fuel issue.

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[Focus_Sh1ft]

:burnrubber:

Sounds amazing!

BTW, what tails are those, altezza?

[fnkngrv]

The tails are spyders. Mine are the smoke version. Not sure if carid still carries the smoke, but here is the link to the standard ones:

http://www.carid.com/2007-toyota-yaris-taillights/spyder-fiber-optic-tail-lights-439658.html

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[fnkngrv]

As previously stated the hydrodipped CF valve cover was damaged due to rubbing issues so I decided to have the cover PC'ed to match the new IC piping. Also upgraded the valve cover bolts to an ARP set which looks much better and will stand up to conditions for a long time to come. Unless mistaken I am now 100% completed under the hood.

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[LTHatch]

That color is beautiful and almost distracting enough to hide that big snail attached to your Yaris lol

[fnkngrv]

Yeah I really love the purple for sure. We installed a shorty bullet stainless racing muffler yesterday. Really lowered the tone of the exhaust to a nicer less ricey note however didn't do much for reducing the db. I am thinking the only way to tame that is with another chambered muffler, but don't want to reduce performance.

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[fnkngrv]

Brought her home from the shop today and she is definitely running super rich. All that extra air makes a big difference. Working right now to figure out the schedule to take the car down to the Dyno and hoping to do it within the next 30 days. Can't really come to soon.

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[LTHatch]

That's great news, one last step in the way for you to set new land speed records. Should we start guessing how much she'll put down?

[fnkngrv]

If you would like you can. I had hopes for certain numbers last year however learned to not count chickens before they are hatched. We are fighting with over boost situations right now and still the fuel pressure gauge not watching to cooperate. These will need to be resolved first. I have a 12psi spring in the wastegate so by what AEM says their boost controller does the max boost should not go over 24psi. The big problem is that my current boost gauge only goes to 20psi so I will need to invest in a new one.

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[LTHatch]

Over boost? Do you know what's causing that on your setup?

[fnkngrv]

We aren't sure just yet. I had been set at 15 across the entire rpm range previously, but we have buried the needle at 20 the few times we have tested wot. It isn't over boosting per the controller ability AFAIK by the data logger, but still needs to be figured out since the fuel quality here isn't good enough to be hitting 20+ for me and feel comfortable.

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[LTHatch]

Ah ok, so i assume there is no E85 locally where you live or you want to stay with 91/93? So a 5 psi overboost and she held together? That is a dang good tune.

[fnkngrv]

No e85 for at least 400 miles. Plan is street tune with 91 while still in Maine, then 93/95 in TX. Race tune will be with c12. My fuel pump isn't the model for use with e85, but everything else will support it.

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[LTHatch]

Sounds like a good plan, congrats on moving to a state with far friendlier car atmosphere. Curious how much the higher temperatures in Texas will affect your land speed runs.

[fnkngrv]

All goes well I will be able to tell you in October. Plans are to race in the Texas Mile at the least and possibly the Arkansas Mile as well.

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[Chief Quimby]

What compression ratio do you have.
I ran 33,5 psi on pumpgas oktan 93.

Is the overboosting in 4-5 gear, mabey wg is to small.
Do you have boostcreep in lower gears ?

[fnkngrv]

CP 9:1 pistons. We will figure out the boost issues once we get down to the Dyno. What were you running 33psi of boost on?

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[Chief Quimby]

Well, 33psi is maney abit to much at 9-1 :-)
Ran it on my starlet 5e engine, but the compression was low around 8-1

[fnkngrv]

Today was a nice day so I was going to take her for a much needed bath to get the shop grime off, but alas the battery not being used much didn't want to give me a start so put her on the charger for the night and will do it tomorrow. While out in the garage tho I did snap a few more shots under the hood.

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[LTHatch]

That's a very thick radiator, who makes that for the Yaris? The radiator mounts on the sedan are the same as the hatch?

[fnkngrv]

That's a very thick radiator, who makes that for the Yaris? The radiator mounts on the sedan are the same as the hatch?

It is the 90-92 Honda Civic EX 3 core. Fellows from the UK clued me in on it. Bottom lines up fine. You just have to fab an L bracket top loop mount for it and then use a straight section of hose for the top return line to the rad. So far it has dropped my engine temps by roughly 25° under normal load alone.

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Here is a link to pretty much what I now have:

http://ebay.com/itm/3-ROW-CORE-ALUMINUM-RADIATOR-12-BLACK-COOLING-FAN-92-00-HONDA-CIVIC-EG-INTEGRA-/350589900140

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[LTHatch]

That's awesome, thank you.

[fnkngrv]

That's awesome, thank you.
Not a problem. AFAIK it will fit both the sedan and LB the same if not very similar since it is a half rad.

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[fnkngrv]

Have to take the car 60 miles to the local stealership for the 3 outstanding recalls (seat rails, spiral cable, and window controls) tomorrow so worked on the Cold start a little more.

Today was in the high 30s, but still she starts hard. Working with all the air flow that has been increased in cold weather makes for an interesting start.

Cold Start 20160107 (https://youtu.be/os1uUuk-6eY)

[Focus_Sh1ft]

Oh man, that cold start definitely needs some work. :laugh:

I'd definitely recommend throwing a resonator on to further reduce the noise. It will really help to knock that "raspy" tone down quite a bit.

[Bluevitz-rs]

What's the AFR?

[fnkngrv]

What's the AFR?


Pig rich tbh. Sitting in the 10s and 11s. The colder ambient temps aren't helping any that is for sure. Doing some work on it over the weekend.

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[LTHatch]

Sounds a bit off but mean as all hell, when you go to the dealership tell us the expression on the techs faces after they see/hear you pull in lol.

[47_MasoN_47]

I'd love to see the expression on their faces as well. I've still gotta get mine in for all those recalls too :/

[malibuguy]

I just love this car

[Freestylin]

fnkngrv, mad props for this crazy setup! I absolutely love the way it sounds as it sits right now! Keep it up!

[fnkngrv]

Did some tune tweaking and made another cold start test today that was much more successful. It was 22° out also so that was a good sign. Also got a confirmation that the likelihood of the Dyno being available this month is very slim which is a serious bummer.

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[LTHatch]

My apologies if its been asked already, are you tuning vvti also? Do you believe theres a noticeable power increase tuning vvti for your turbo setup?

[fnkngrv]

No worries. Yes we are also tuning vvti. As for differences there is a long story to being able to notice if there are differences or not concerning the Dyno work last year.

The short version is that due to an initial incorrect wiring install of the AEM boost controller and then plugged cat my tune and work done to it was seriously hampered. We wasted so much time working on those two items that granular manipulation for many settings were reduced by a great deal.

Even though last year's build/tune were an improvement and edged up performance/speed it just was a horrible cost/benefit situation. When it was said and done just the shop work/time at Granite State Dyno ran me close to $1500. That doesn't include the cost of the trip and GSD sits 400 miles from home. I had budgeted for half of that. With those expenses ballooning the way that they did further work was obviously hurt. We did do further analysis/tweaking during the speed runs with logger data, but just plain ran out of time for any performance improvement over the spring based tune. I only ran c12 race gas for safety as we didn't even get to really tune for it over 93 unleaded.

This time around I am working to have JRT Customs perform the tune at a much closer shop (200 miles) on the coast of Maine. The travel costs will be almost the same because we will be trailering the car and we will be around 10mpg with the truck/trailer. The Dyno cost and tuning cost will be where the big savings will be. I will have the Dyno for an entire day for a fraction of the cost.

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[fnkngrv]

On another note this new replacement AEM fuel pump seems to be getting louder very similar to the original one. I will be reaching out to them this week to discuss what is going on. An aftermarket fuel pump will be louder than stock, but even with how loud my injectors are you can hear the pump over them. Depending on what happens I may ditch the AEM and move to an Aeromotive unit instead. I have considered a Deatschwerks unit as well, but those are definitely loud from my research.

Before anyone asks after talking at length with Walboro engineers I prefer to not use one of their units for what my design is.


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[LTHatch]

Is your AEM pump causing fuel pressure issues?

[fnkngrv]

Not sure yet, but don't believe so. The behavior of this pump however is very similar to the last one. Started off fine however as time went on it became louder and louder. AEM determined the first pump was actually missing internal fittings that frankly could have caused a catastrophic event. I was very lucky. The only reason why I used another one was because AEM covered all costs.

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[LTHatch]

Ah i see, do you have any safety nets in place if there is a fuel pump issue during a land speed run?

[1nz revolution]

WELDON FUEL PUMP. Best race pumps on the market. AEM doesn't even make theirs. All those designs are all based off Walboro.

[fnkngrv]

Ah i see, do you have any safety nets in place if there is a fuel pump issue during a land speed run?
Not really when it comes to that.

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[fnkngrv]

WELDON FUEL PUMP. Best race pumps on the market. AEM doesn't even make theirs. All those designs are all based off Walboro.

Your new threads and posts smell a like like you are Aras. Am I correct?

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[1nz revolution]

Surge tank set up. No chance of starvation.

[fnkngrv]

If TBR would like to sponsor the car by assisting with safety equipment, etc then they know where to reach me. Other than that posting up about very expensive components that will not be purchased or put into the build is moot. There is a reason the build is taking the path that it has which is that it is still driven on a regular basis when weather permits. The back seat gets used as well as the trunk so at this stage a fuel cell with inline components is not realistic. This has not changed in the 5 years the car has been run heavily modified and right now no plans to change that.

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[Focus_Sh1ft]

I have an Aeromotive A100 in the tC, and it's LOUD. I wouldn't worry too much about the noise unless you're beginning to have fuel starvation issues.

[ilikerice]

Your new threads and posts smell a like like you are Aras. Am I correct?

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5 years later.. still haven't seen that xB run...

[fnkngrv]

I have an Aeromotive A100 in the tC, and it's LOUD. I wouldn't worry too much about the noise unless you're beginning to have fuel starvation issues.


It doesn't really bother me too much unless I am standing outside the vehicle while it idles or at a stop light, etc. I guess that I just need to get used to it for a while. I should have converted to an inline pump and then could have wrapped it in sound deadening material like some folks have, but my updates went over budget as it is. :eyebulge:

[fnkngrv]

The car will be receiving the new Tanabe Coilovers in the a.m. in preparation for being loaded on the trailer in the afternoon to make the 250 Mile trip to the Dyno. Wednesday we will see how things are really looking.

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[fnkngrv]

First time ever she has been on the scales. Have to reduce the weight by whatever my subwoofer box weighs. More than I was figuring, but with the added weight of the turbo, associated components, etc I suppose I can't complain.



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[Bluevitz-rs]

was that with you in the car and a full tank of gas?

[fnkngrv]

1/2 tank of gas no occupants.

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[Bluevitz-rs]

If it ever comes down to it, gasoline weighs about 1.6 pounds per liter.

[invader166]

If it ever comes down to it, gasoline weighs about 1.6 pounds per liter.

...or 6 lbs per gallon, if you wanna keep the same system of measurement.

Here in Canada, it's all just a big mix, and people just use whatever is more convenient or feels more natural to them. lol

[Bluevitz-rs]

...or 6 lbs per gallon, if you wanna keep the same system of measurement.



Here in Canada, it's all just a big mix, and people just use whatever is more convenient or feels more natural to them. lol


There's two different measurements of gallons so it's way more confusing to me.


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[fnkngrv]

Some post dyno day action items:


Had to order a couple fuel filters. $20 thru Summit.

Also had my 3rd oil sending unit die during the pulls so ordered another one plus braided line to remotely mount it to the crash bar. They don't seem to stand up to the vibration very well. That came to around $80.

Lastly the BOV spring is apparently too stiff because it isn't opening completely fast enough when letting out of the throttle after full boost. The surge keeps popping one of my pipes of the IC due to the tight angle of the pipe. So ordered the spring kit from TurboSmart for $20.

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[LTHatch]

How does the stock transmission shift at 8k? Have you done anything to the oil pump to handle 8k plus?

[fnkngrv]

Oil pressure seems to be doing fine. As for shifts at 8k I doubt that I will be shifting that high.

Transmission has been fine for the builds that I have seen at this power level. The guys I have talked to have not indicated failure. With what I do for racing it isn't as tough as road course or auto x so hoping that it holds together for a while. After that the plan is for custom gears. The TRD 6 speed is unfortunately out of the question as it has a shorter final gear and therefore doesn't have the potential for top end like the 5 speed does.

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[fnkngrv]

Big shout out to Autolite for becoming an official spark plug sponsor for TTR. Can't wait to test these different flavors out and see which delivers the best overall performance!



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[Bluevitz-rs]

It would be really neat to see the difference back to back on the dyno if you have the time.

[fnkngrv]

It would be really neat to see the difference back to back on the dyno if you have the time.

It will depend on how things go. I pay for all the time the car is on the rollers so have to be careful. If I can I will though.

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[1nz revolution]

Not even worth entertaining on the dyno for spark plugs. I'm sure by now you know what works best for your application. Not an Autolite fan but free is a good deal.

[sickpuppy1]

Yeah, I'll take the Iridium XP's on the right,lol Got 98k on the car and thinking of changing them @ 100K.

[fnkngrv]

Still in need of completely cleaning the fuel system, but also took this video this evening. Custom sidewinder turbo manifold, 3" Vibrant GESI cat, 3" vibrant t-304 pipe to Vibrant 9" x 3" muffler coming off the 1nz. Man I love the sound of the new setup, but thinking I am going to still have to install a resonator to avoid excessive noise tickets. Hoping to capture a drive by video soon.


Exhaust System (http://vid1132.photobucket.com/albums/m563/fnkngrv/2015%20Turbo%20Yaris%20Updates/VID_20160323_191006095_zpsfffjr5jt.mp4)


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[tmontague]

Awesome sound... but I could see it being an issue w/ excessive noise tickets

[ern-diz]

Sounds killer.

[LTHatch]

That sounds very aggressive, do you have a lot of drone in the car? Curious to hear it under load, how much the sound changes.

[fnkngrv]

The noise in the cabin is a little to much. Under load it gets really loud. The resonator will make a decent difference according to my research. The big question is whether I will do a bottle style from Vibrant or their Ultra Quiet.

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[LTHatch]

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From this picture you posted, it looks like the regular Vibrant resonator will be dang tight. Does your rear bumper had LED brake lights above the exhaust outlets? That looks clean.

[fnkngrv]

The resonator will slide in behind the midpipe hangers. So it will go like this:

V-band • cat • hangers • resonator • V-band

The midpipe is removable so when I race I can pull it and install a downward dump tip right after the downpipe.

Those are LED parking/brake lights. They are something I did a retrofit from the Lexus RX350.

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[ern-diz]

Does your rear bumper had LED brake lights above the exhaust outlets? That looks clean.

Those are LED parking/brake lights. They are something I did a retrofit from the Lexus RX350.

Super clean; really like it.

[fnkngrv]

Super clean; really like it.

Thank you and LThatch both. I wanted to have more lights since I deleted the upper brake light since it was integrated into the OEM S spoiler I took off. I also have white backup LEDs that need to still get installed.

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[fnkngrv]

So pretty pumped that I can drive the Yaris again now that the resonator is installed. I put together a comparison video of the difference without it and then today with it. I am pretty happy with the results. All I can say is that a turbo 1nz with a 3" exhaust sounds mean as fack...lol

New setup is: Sidewinder Turbo Manifold -> BW Turbo -> 3" DP -> Vibrant 3" GESI Cat 7530 -> Vibrant Ultra Quiet 1142 resonator -> Vibrant 9" 1769 Race Muffler.


2016 Full Turbo Street Exhaust (https://youtu.be/uLRjeUkpqR8)

[LTHatch]

That sounds a bit less wild, it still screams power.
"ill just have to be smart in town" lol how is that even possible with that much noise? Does she set alarms off as you drive by at cruise speeds with the new setup?

Hope you upload more videos(cruising WOT etc), this is a nasty Yaris.

[fnkngrv]

We need to take her out and smooth out the tune this week and then hopefully can do some videos. Also may need to deal with a possible boost creep issue. I may need to upgrade to a 50mm WG. I am hoping not, but may have to. The other choice may be to reconfigure the dump tube off the manifold. We think that perhaps the angle for it is wrong and that flow isn't entering it as efficiently as it should. I took her out for a bit today and did a WOT pull which sat at 18psi for a few seconds and then buried the gauge out of the blue at 20+. The good thing is my street tune timing is set safely and the block is sleeved...lol.

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[LTHatch]

Ah, either of those boost creep options don't sound very pleasant. How was your traction with the 20+ psi boost spike? I imagine you blow the tires away at anything below 40mph lol

[fnkngrv]

When I did a couple of the pulls I broke loose in 3rd and 4th

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[LTHatch]

:eek:

[47_MasoN_47]

Man that thing sounds MEAN!

[fnkngrv]

Man that thing sounds MEAN!
I have been getting a bunch of people locally telling me how much they like it too

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[fnkngrv]

Right now as it stands I won't be buying any more AEM junk. About the only thing they sell worth a damn is their EMS.

Teach me to buy any more AEM parts. Second brand new fuel pump that is defective in under 5000 miles. Never again.

The first one had a higher than normal pitched whine. Sent it in and they confirmed it was missing parts inside it and I was lucky it literally didn't blow up. Had about 4000 miles on it. This replacement was a full new kit. Less than 100 miles on it and the thing just seized. Just had to have the car towed back to the house during a tuning drive. Luckily it was only 5 miles away, but still was a mess around.

Some folks will say "should" have bought a Walboro. I have my reasons why I didn't go with them to include having a discussion with a Walboro engineer about what I am doing with the car and he suggested that their products wouldn't be a good choice plus I have heard Walboro and their are even noisier than AEM.

I have always had solid luck with Aeromotive. I should have just stuck with them in the first place, but was convinced to go AEM by my old tuning shop. I had had Walboro in the past and wasn't happy with how hot the fuel gets on return. Reduces efficiency too much for my build. Even the Walboro engineer I spoke with suggested that I go with their 190 instead of 255 however the 190 doesn't sustain high enough pressure during long boost runs for what I do.

I have just ordered an Aeromotive 11542 which on the plus side is both gas and e85. It will arrive Tuesday so I will need to pull out the AEM to do another return on it hopefully for another new kit. I will just sell the replacement on eBay or Facebook.

As if to add insult to injury while the car was being loaded on the tow truck we saw that my driver's side CV shaft boot was covered in grease. Looks like somehow I got a tear so am ordering another shaft. At least it is easy enough to change myself.





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[sqcomp]

As an AEM user myself, I support your choice in not using their fuel products.

I was going to say Walbro, but Aeromotive is absolutely fine as well IMHO.

For me, using AEM for fuel would be like using AGP for a turbo instead of the big three (Borg, Garrett, or PTE). Yeah they have concentration on the part, but they're just a reseller.

[fnkngrv]

I am really hoping AEM doesn't give me a tough time because it had been over a year since they shipped me the replacement in the first place. I just go the car back together. I could submit shop records and photos with timestamps to prove it, but we all know how manufacturers and storefronts get.

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[fnkngrv]

I feel their FIC6 is junk too. I had nothing but issues with mine.

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[LTHatch]

That's a shame to hear, at least the engine wasn't damaged when it failed. What's your theory on the cause of the CV boot being torn?

[fnkngrv]

There is a small puncture hole so assuming while the car was torn down all that time and the car moving from my place to Dell's to his father-in-law's to Jason's gave a great opportunity for it to happen.

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[Paris turbo]

how much power are you going to make and you sleeved the block? 350+?

[fnkngrv]

Street tune is around 315 on pump gas. No water meth. Race tune we are shooting for as close to 450 as we can get on c12. May go e85 in the future as well.

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[fnkngrv]

Oh yeah...sorry. Yes the block is sleeved.

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[fnkngrv]

New fuel pump is in and man is it so much quieter than the AEMs. Low volume whistle, but very bearable and can't really be heard from outside the vehicle.

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[LTHatch]

Very nice, how was the install vs the AEM pump you had before?

[fnkngrv]

Pretty similar. The Aeromotive unit fits more easily in the pump sleeve. The only noticeable difference otherwise is that the AEM part had a rubber cover that went over half of the bottom of the unit by the filter and the Aeromotive doesn't. That rubber piece kept falling off the AEM anyway and would float around inside my tank. It was a PITA.

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[LTHatch]

Thank you, one random question, C12 vs E85 on your setup(if you had easy access to both) which would you run most of the time and why?

[fnkngrv]

I haven't run e85 as of yet so don't have an answer other than my entire setup is e85 capable and it is much cheaper. E85 is 105 octane and unleaded which is easier on the O2 sensors. The c12 is 108 octane which at higher boost is safer as far as detonation. Of course in today's age "higher boost" seems to be relative depending on who you talk to. Both fuels would require a completely different tune however the assumption is that e85 can net higher power especially wtq even though it needs 30% more fuel delivered.

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