Today was Yaris smashing day ...

[edmscan]

Yes .... today was the day that I smashed the Yaris.

It was me vs a 2015 Nissan Rogue. I can assure you ... the Yaris lost. :iono:

Me ... $1200 damage and him $2000 min probably.

My damage .. a new bumper cover with painting. Him .. about a pencil eraser worth of damage that you can hardly see. But .. lets face it, his repairs will not be anywhere near as cheap as mine.

Me .. I am just mad, cause crashing at 5 km/h or less is just not fun. I would almost rather have it be much more damage .. at least make it worth while.

So me .. probably increased insurance rates and a much lower bank account.

But it is what it is .. not a matter of it, but when. Living in a winter city ... that is what I get.

3rd accident in 3 years. But this time .. it was my fault for a change.

Oh .. don't buy all weather tires, they suck on anything but tons of snow.

So for me .. true winter tires next year, and even that is not a guarantee of anything. I cannot afford these crashes.

[Jcp123]

I'm sorry to hear that! Always stings when it turns out that way.

This is why I flatly refused to move to Rochester, NY when she asked, and took on a new career when she started insisting. Well, that's not all of why, but ya know...

[nookandcrannycar]

So sorry this happened to you. My 'auto mishap' last October with my '07 Yaris was the first one that was all my fault in 35 years and only the second one all my fault ever. In February of 2014 I got rear ended (all the other person's fault), and that was my first accident at all in 14+ years. We're in the same boat re rates will increase upon next renewal.

[nookandcrannycar]

I'm sorry to hear that! Always stings when it turns out that way.

This is why I flatly refused to move to Rochester, NY when she asked, and took on a new career when she started insisting. Well, that's not all of why, but ya know...

:thumbsup: Good for you. After living in California and Tyler, I couldn't imagine that you would enjoy the weather (and other things) in Rochester.

[Jcp123]

:thumbsup: Good for you. After living in California and Tyler, I couldn't imagine that you would enjoy the weather (and other things) in Rochester.

Aw man, you lived in Tyler too?!

I'd never have believed it, but there are definitely distinct neighborhoods here.

Wifey lived in Rochester for a while, she's from Los Abgeles and came here via Phoenix. She likes it there. Makes me question her...

[nookandcrannycar]

Aw man, you lived in Tyler too?!

No. My bad :redface:. After rereading my post, I can now see how you easily would have come to that conclusion. I should have written - "Remembering that you're from California and live in Tyler,..." or something similar.

I'd never have believed it, but there are definitely distinct neighborhoods here.

:thumbsup: I really enjoyed driving through the centrally located Brick Streets Neighborhood

Wifey lived in Rochester for a while, she's from Los Abgeles and came here via Phoenix. She likes it there. Makes me question her...

:laugh::wink:

[Kar98]

This is now a thread about people who lived in East Texas with wives from upstate NY. 903 representing! (Although that area code was the first thing I lost after moving to Dallas)

[edmscan]

Went by the accident scene today ... it is 2 blocks from my residence, and stopped with no problems.

Made sure there was no one in front of me this time. :smile:

But I did notice that it was still very icy ..

I find that often people in automatic cars sit and spin their tires like mad to try to get into traffic and it just slicks up the road. Intersections too are bad for the same reason.

They just need to learn how to drive ... morons. :laughabove:

I noticed it last night ... it looked icy, with a distinct shine to it. But yesterday you could not tell it was icy at all. Just my luck.

I have accident forgiveness .. so my insurance will not go up, this time. But it will still likely cost me $500 in repair bills.

[sheekeebut]

My last encounter with another car taught me a few things that have kept me ticket, record and accident free for more than a decade now:

1) there will always be a better driver than me
2) with every one good driver there are about 10 irresponsible, dangerous drivers I have to share the road with
3) most importantly: if I get in an accident, regardless whose fault it is, I NEVER win.

Basically those 3 lessons result in me driving like a paranoid cynic.

[edmscan]

3) most importantly: if I get in an accident, regardless whose fault it is, I NEVER win.



Totally number 3 ... I hate accidents, no matter who is at fault.

The only good thing, I have an in to get my car fixed at where my brother in law works. That will allow me to get my car fixed on the cheap.

I just have to deal with the insurance issue tomorrow .. and hope it is not too bad.

[Jcp123]

Totally number 3 ... I hate accidents, no matter who is at fault.

The only good thing, I have an in to get my car fixed at where my brother in law works. That will allow me to get my car fixed on the cheap.

I just have to deal with the insurance issue tomorrow .. and hope it is not too bad.

Nice!

Agreed...it's the multitude of idiots out there you really have to worry about.

[nookandcrannycar]

My last encounter with another car taught me a few things that have kept me ticket, record and accident free for more than a decade now:

1) there will always be a better driver than me
2) with every one good driver there are about 10 irresponsible, dangerous drivers I have to share the road with
3) most importantly: if I get in an accident, regardless whose fault it is, I NEVER win.

Basically those 3 lessons result in me driving like a paranoid cynic.

:laugh:. I agree with all three. The last two keep me driving with pretty much the same mindset you have.

[IllusionX]

Honestly, if you live in New England, put on dedicated winter tires please....

[fnkngrv]

Not to kick you while you are down, but I will never ever understand how someone that lives in a 4 season environment doesn't have at least M&S tires for incliment months. An auto is a big investment and it deserves your respect as well as other drivers on the road. I hopw that others that read about ypur plight thay don't run winters when/where they should pay heed.

[nookandcrannycar]

This is now a thread about people who lived in East Texas with wives from upstate NY. 903 representing! (Although that area code was the first thing I lost after moving to Dallas)

:laugh:

[nookandcrannycar]

1) there will always be a better driver than me

In the world....Yes. In situations I observe that are peppered with idiot drivers....No :biggrin:.

[sheekeebut]

Mind what you say, nook, I'm sure we've all fallen under category 2: "others" in some shameful moments of our driving lives. You have to admit, driving idiocy is quite contagious if you aren't careful.

[nookandcrannycar]

Mind what you say, nook, I'm sure we've all fallen under category 2: "others" in some shameful moments of our driving lives. You have to admit, driving idiocy is quite contagious if you aren't careful.

Yeah, but a HUGE percentage of those moments, IMO, will likely come when one is young....especially when it concerns guys. Women....a different story. In my experience, women are either skilled drivers or they aren't. Not as tied to age, ego, 'there is a time and place', or maturity as it is with guys.

[edmscan]

Not to kick you while you are down, but I will never ever understand how someone that lives in a 4 season environment doesn't have at least M&S tires for incliment months. An auto is a big investment and it deserves your respect as well as other drivers on the road. I hopw that others that read about ypur plight thay don't run winters when/where they should pay heed.

If you are talking about me ... I think you need to learn about tires. My tires are "Winter Rated Tires". They are hybrid "all weather tires" rated for snow and ice.

The benefit .. I can use them all year long.

However .. I have found they are awesome in snow .. on ice, not as good as I would like. They are $800 tires ... if I wanted crappy all season tires for my Yaris I can go to Walmart and pay $40 a piece.

Spoke to my sister yesterday who has "Winter tires" .. and she has been having the same sliding problems. There is no guarantee of anything when you are on ice, not even winter tires.

[IllusionX]

All weather tires are not designed for our canadian winters. Honestly, at 7c, they already lose adherence compared to proper winter tires.

True on ice, but a good ice and snow tire will outperform any all weather tires on ice.

[sheekeebut]

edmscan, would you consider studded tires? I don't know what Edmonton winters are like, but if it's season-round snow on the roads, I'd go for it! Just the added confidence would be totally worth it.

[sheekeebut]

And I'd have to agree with illusion that purpose-built winter tires are the way to go. This is my first season with a set of winters on Yaris, and it's like night and day difference in traction and handling.

Oh, and this:

http://drivesmartbc.ca/equipment/what-does-ms-mean

[sheekeebut]

It's like you're writing a biography on me and my wife...


Yeah, but a HUGE percentage of those moments, IMO, will likely come when one is young....especially when it concerns guys. Women....a different story. In my experience, women are either skilled drivers or they aren't. Not as tied to age, ego, 'there is a time and place', or maturity as it is with guys.

[edmscan]

And I'd have to agree with illusion that purpose-built winter tires are the way to go. This is my first season with a set of winters on Yaris, and it's like night and day difference in traction and handling.

Oh, and this:

http://drivesmartbc.ca/equipment/what-does-ms-mean

Interesting article ... and of note, my tires DO have the "Mountain and Snow" symbol on then as described in this article.

Thus .. they are designed for snow and ice, something that none of you seem to understand.

Only a few companies make them as they are not cheap so many people do not buy them.

And yes .. I am not going to put studs on my tires as I use them all year long. That is the point of these hybrid tires, you can use them all year long.

Here is a YouTube video for you that need to learn about these tires.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cq8EyJOjoRY

[nookandcrannycar]

It's like you're writing a biography on me and my wife...

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

[IllusionX]

Interesting article ... and of note, my tires DO have the "Mountain and Snow" symbol on then as described in this article.

Thus .. they are designed for snow and ice, something that none of you seem to understand.

Only a few companies make them as they are not cheap so many people do not buy them.

And yes .. I am not going to put studs on my tires as I use them all year long. That is the point of these hybrid tires, you can use them all year long.

Here is a YouTube video for you that need to learn about these tires.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cq8EyJOjoRY


Which tires are you using?

In Canada, AFAIK , only the Hancook Optimo 4s have the appropriate "mountain and snow" for winter driving. They aren't the greatest tires for winter...

[sheekeebut]

I think I get it, it's got real winter tire designation as it meets performance criteria, but it's also built to run year round. Though I fail to see how it could do well in both.. Like falken's "hybrid" tire that gives lots of mpg, and still be a performance summer tire..

[sheekeebut]

Oh, you mean this:

http://www.kaltire.com/all-season-vs-all-weather-vs-winter-tires

[sheekeebut]

Hmm, even so, I think you're in full blown studded winters conditions..

[edmscan]

Which tires are you using?

In Canada, AFAIK , only the Hancook Optimo 4s have the appropriate "mountain and snow" for winter driving. They aren't the greatest tires for winter...

Those are exactly the tires I have ... are they better than All Seasons (yes), better than straight winter tires (no .. but pretty close in most conditions), better than studded .. no.

So the consensus .. they are pretty dang good. Perfect .. no.

If you understand my driving .... I drive slowly and very cautiously, probably more cautious than most people. But things happen .. it is just how it is. I will just be extra cautious when presented with this again.

[IllusionX]

As personal experience, I would never put those tires on my cars. The only time I think these should be used is if the car isn't used much. Such my father Inlaw who is out of the country. The car gets driven about 2000km a year.

Just my 2 cents. Glad you were not hurt.

[roxy1]

ive been driving is Michigan winters for 30+ years, mostly in small fwd cars. good all weather tires have always been plenty competent...UNTIL I got the yaris with the OEM Bridgestone Turanzas. worst oem tire ive ever experienced. enough so that it made me consider dedicated snow tires. instead I went with an all season tire that performs decently in snow..the General Altimax RT43. it was a night and day difference and did quite well in the snow under all conditions known to man.

[edmscan]

As personal experience, I would never put those tires on my cars. The only time I think these should be used is if the car isn't used much. Such my father Inlaw who is out of the country. The car gets driven about 2000km a year.

Just my 2 cents. Glad you were not hurt.

That is your opinion, you are entitled to that.

You live in Quebec where you are required to have winter tires. So .. apples and oranges. We are not required to have winter tires.

I almost never go on the highways .. so going 65 km/h is about as fast as I go. And as you know .. we have winter here for about 7 months a year .. there is no escaping it.

But I am not willing to be swapping tires. So this works.

I have not had an accident that was my fault in well over 20 years .. and it may be another 20 before it happens again. Or it could be next week. You just never know. I am not going to worry about it .. cars can be fixed.

[ern-diz]

.. we have winter here for about 7 months a year ..

:bonk:

[sheekeebut]

.. we have winter here for about 7 months a year ..


:burnrubber: rally country

[SilverBack]

That's nothing short of OUCH (speaking from experience).

At least you're okay though. Hope your baby returns to normal soon.

[edmscan]

And as you know .. we have winter here for about 7 months a year .. there is no escaping it.


Technically that is not right ... and yes, :bonk::bonk:

I meant to say ... we have winter like conditions / cold weather for 7 months. It is yes technically .. a combination of fall / winter and spring.

The only good thing .. living in a winter city, we have very good ability for our roads to be cleared so they are very usable within a small number of hours of a big snowfall. As a result, true winter tires are not 100% needed here as long as you are careful.

I truly believe that as long as you drive like a normal sane person you can manage just fine with the tires I have.