Stance wheel and tire questions.

[Thebigwicks]

Hey guys. I'm in the market for some new wheels. I'm looking into going with either 17x8's or 16x8's. I would sit at about the same ride hight with both with the right tire selection so that's not an issue. I just can figure out if 17's look "right." Sometimes I look at my car (which is on 17x7's right now) and think "man that looks good" and then I see it from other angles and I feel like I'm donning with those big wheels. I just want to know what you guys think. Btw I would stretch 205/40/17 on the 17's and I'm not really sure what I would put on the 16's. Thanks guys!

Pics for reference.

[Thebigwicks]

Donk

[ern-diz]

I think you'll get a mix of opinions on this topic. I love my 17s, but once had a guy at a Yaris meet ask me if I was going for that "gangsta" look. You have to lol at the thought of a gangsta Yaris. Some folks like a more race functional look, so they go for the 15s and 16s. Others like hella flush and might go bigger, camber out and maybe stretch. I think beauty is in the eye of the beholder on this and many other things.

Besides, what's wrong with a donk? I'd rock an '84 Cutlass on 15" hundred spokes or 24" chrome!

[Thebigwicks]

Hey man thanks for The quick response! Absolutely nothing against donk here either! Just not really my style. I'm actually going for the old-school 80s euro look on my Yaris. Already have the DTM exhaust and I'm currently working on a wooden roof rack. My next will set up will be a fullface will send that to the old 0Z rally wheels. I'm still going for the stance look and will still keep my negative camber in the rear. Really just looking for opinions here and just you guys different ideas.

[Thebigwicks]

Here's the mock up of the wheels that Yarisugi did for me. Awesome guy. They look to be about the size of 15's and I think that kind a looks weird. I'm just worried that 16s will look too small in that 17s will look to big. The struggle...

[ern-diz]

I like the 17s you're rocking right now. I agree with you; 15s look too small to me. I wouldn't do 15s even though it's technically, functionally correct. I think 17s are perfect and wouldn't go below 16s.

[aspro]

If youre looking for old school 80's look then you would have to keep the rims small and have a good amount of sidewall on the tire. Don't go higher than 16's. Plus, the yaris drives like crap with bigger heavier wheels. Personally, I'd go 15x8 BBS style rims (kind of like the 80's BMW m3 rims) and slam it, If you're going for a throw back look. In the 80's, 14" and 15" were the norm on almost every car with the exception of a few running 16's.

[aspro]

A rim like this on your ride would look bomb. These are 15x8 BBS rs replicas.

http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag374/metrixlp/beb740b9b5eb36faad1d774746d25450_zpsmkv8oztr.jpg

[aspro]

Here is an example of those style of rims on a Yaris. This car belongs to a member on here TerenceCruz he did a wicked job, I think the car looks amazing. These rims are 16x8.5 and slammed to the tits. 15x8 with a bit more tire would also look amazing.

http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag374/metrixlp/DoyGZDpl_zpsz633fipc.jpg

[ABSPLASTIC]

Here is an example of those style of rims on a Yaris. This car belongs to a member on here TerenceCruz he did a wicked job, I think the car looks amazing. These rims are 16x8.5 and slammed to the tits. 15x8 with a bit more tire would also look amazing.

http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag374/metrixlp/DoyGZDpl_zpsz633fipc.jpg

Great example of 16s!

I, personally, love 15s. The 17s on your car look really big, but it's mainly the white color that exaggerates the size, IMO. Just like one of the members had mentioned in previous posts, beauty does lie in the eye of the beholder. I get crap all the time for my 15s like I should go bigger, but hey, I don't care as long as I love them :wub: and I have a thing for fat rubber :biggrin:

[ern-diz]

If youre looking for old school 80's look then you would have to keep the rims small and have a good amount of sidewall on the tire. Don't go higher than 16's. Plus, the yaris drives like crap with bigger heavier wheels. Personally, I'd go 15x8 BBS style rims (kind of like the 80's BMW m3 rims) and slam it, If you're going for a throw back look. In the 80's, 14" and 15" were the norm on almost every car with the exception of a few running 16's.

In my 8 yrs on this forum, this is not the first (and won't be the last) time I've heard the "Yaris drives like shit with bigger than 16s" argument, but my mileage, again, over the last 8 yrs, has shown that not to be true at all.

If we were on a track comparing lap times, sure, maybe. Out in the daily driven world, my car handles insanely good and I can't count the number of compliments I've gotten, many of which where from folks who thought my car came stock with the wheels I have on it. In my opinion, the gains you get in looks from 17s far outweigh the supposed drop in handling (which again, I've never even experienced). Not to mention that my car felt like shit at highways speeds on the stock wheels and sat down big time after installing 17s.

[aspro]

I'm just speaking from experience. I've run 17's, 16's and 15's all on the same car. 17's were horrendous, 16's weren't that bad but I could still feel a loss in power, braking (and these were 'lightweight' 16's).

Everyone's threshold for negative or positive change in the vehicles dynamic is different. We have a difference in opinion - that's all. Doesn't mean I shouldn't give the OP a heads up from my own personal experience.

[ern-diz]

I'm just speaking from experience. I've run 17's, 16's and 15's all on the same car. 17's were horrendous, 16's weren't that bad but I could still feel a loss in power, braking (and these were 'lightweight' 16's).

Everyone's threshold for negative or positive change in the vehicles dynamic is different. We have a difference in opinion - that's all. Doesn't mean I shouldn't give the OP a heads up from my own personal experience.

Absolutely, we agree there. No hard feelings or anything personal either, it's all good. I just have a distaste for the many, many comments I've seen over the yrs about how bad the car handles on 17s and I just don't find it to be true on city streets. I can say beyond a shadow of a doubt that the car got infinitely better on 17s than the stock wheels and tires it came with, so I feel like it's all relative. It might gain a little with 15s, but I feel it comes at a significant visual loss, unless you're one of those folks that likes how the car looks on 15s with more rubber showing, in which case, more power to you. :smile:

[ilikerice]

Personal fan of some good offset 15" rims... Although I would rock some 16" for DD, but on race day, I am all about 15"

I am running 15x7.5 with 30offset

[aspro]

Yeah I'm not a big fan of thin sidewalls. I like a little more meat on my shoes. But everyone has their own preference and that's what makes the tuner world what it is. No hard feelings brother. One thing is for sure, we both drive a yaris, so at least we share one preference :) unless you're one of those sedan folk. Haha jks, no offense to the big butt crowd ;p

[ern-diz]

Yeah I'm not a big fan of thin sidewalls. I like a little more meat on my shoes. But everyone has their own preference and that's what makes the tuner world what it is. No hard feelings brother. One thing is for sure, we both drive a yaris, so at least we share one preference :) unless you're one of those sedan folk. Haha jks, no offense to the big butt crowd ;p

Ha! Yeah, I've got a hatch :biggrin:

[aspro]

Ada boy ;)

[aspro]

Great example of 16s!

I, personally, love 15s. The 17s on your car look really big, but it's mainly the white color that exaggerates the size, IMO. Just like one of the members had mentioned in previous posts, beauty does lie in the eye of the beholder. I get crap all the time for my 15s like I should go bigger, but hey, I don't care as long as I love them :wub: and I have a thing for fat rubber :biggrin:

Hey man, haters gonna hate! Like is said I had 17's, 16,s and now 15's and I love the look of the 15's lowered with some juicy rubber. And the car drives a million times better both on the track and on the road and especially for long distance hauls. 15's FTW.

But I get why people prefer a bigger rim and why a 15" rim doesn't appeal to them. But like is said, its preference and they differ widely and that is the beauty of the the tuner scene.

I saw your post about your car and I absolutely love the way you did it. Keep up the good work buddy. Did you find that elusive x brace yet?

[Thebigwicks]

Wow..... Thanks you guys. This post kinda blew up over night. You guys rock. I hear what you guys are saying and I'm so glad that you guys are voicing your opinion's giving me ideas. The main reason I was contemplating getting 17th was that I could use the same tires I have now and save some dough. After looking into it, 205/40/17 wouldn't give me that good of a stretch on eight 17 x 8 wheel anyway. I think you guys have help sway me in the direction of going towards 16 x 8's. I'm trying to do my own thing which I plan on doing a mash up of 80s style DTM cars and Econo stance car's. I'm a huge fan of wv's not a fan of their price of parts. That's why turn to the Yaris. I thought it styling was great it was pretty cheap and it's reliable. I think A fullface 17 inch wheel would look out of place on this car especially white on white. and continuing with the thing I do plan on building a custom metal and wood roof rack and I currently have a DTM style muffler that you would see on and continuing with the thing I do plan on building a custom metal and wood roof rack and I currently have a DTM style muffler that you would see on the 80s BMWs. I really want to do something fun and unique and I think that instead of picking a sign between the European and Asian car groups, I would make my own by pulling influences from both sides and making some trully unique. That way I can take it to that way I can take it to solo SOWO and IFO and get hate everywhere I go.

[Thebigwicks]

I just need to find the right tire for a 16x8 wheel at +35 offset.

[Thebigwicks]

And just remember, I'm going stance not track ready lol.
But again I love seeing people talk about stuff like this so if anyone wants to help keep it coming!

[ABSPLASTIC]

Hey man, haters gonna hate! Like is said I had 17's, 16,s and now 15's and I love the look of the 15's lowered with some juicy rubber. And the car drives a million times better both on the track and on the road and especially for long distance hauls. 15's FTW.

But I get why people prefer a bigger rim and why a 15" rim doesn't appeal to them. But like is said, its preference and they differ widely and that is the beauty of the the tuner scene.

I saw your post about your car and I absolutely love the way you did it. Keep up the good work buddy. Did you find that elusive x brace yet?

Thanks bro! Still on that search, but the Suby is keeping me busy lol

[aspro]

Thanks bro! Still on that search, but the Suby is keeping me busy lol

Do I sense an STI conversion in the works?! Lol.

[ern-diz]

Hate to thread jack, but this thread is active and I just came into needing to buy new tires, so...

Michelin Pilot Sport's or Bridgestone Potenza's?

On a 17" wheel with stock suspension, 205/40/17 or 215/45/17? Will the latter rub?

[Thebigwicks]

I ran 205/40/17 and only rubbed when I slammed it in coilovers. I didn't rub on them at -1.5 or -2.0 inch drops. I can't really speak for the 215/45/17s though.

[Thebigwicks]

Alright guys. Does anyone happen to know the lowest offset anyone has run without issues as for ad brake clearance is concerned. I finally found a set of smoothies I want and I'm thinking about doing +20 on them.

[ern-diz]

I ran 205/40/17 and only rubbed when I slammed it in coilovers. I didn't rub on them at -1.5 or -2.0 inch drops. I can't really speak for the 215/45/17s though.

Thx for the info. There's more options for 215/45/17 because it's a stock tire on newer cars. I think I'm going with the Michelin Pilot Sport's in 205/40.

[tadakun]

I personally think that anything over 16 looks a little silly on small cars like ours. Again that's a personal opinion. But I'm very partial to the way mesh and mesh-esque wheels look on these cars.

I'm currently on 15x8 with +25 offset. Running stock tire size, 185/60.
The front is a bit more poke than I like at the moment but i think it'll look better when I can lower it more. the back is pretty flush on the 8" wheels.

Unfortunately I need to wait until 2016 to get some coilovers so that I can fit it better. But once these tires wear out I'll get 195/50 or 55 depending.

[tadakun]

Sorry for the mult posts. Here is what the fitment looks like for the rear on the 8" +25.

[ern-diz]

I like your shoes more than the shoes on your car :biggrin:

[tadakun]

I like your shoes more than the shoes on your car :biggrin:

i'm so confused if I feel happy or sad. :laugh:

[ern-diz]

i'm so confused if I feel happy or sad. :laugh:

Ha! I'm just giving you a hard time. :thumbsup: