Clutch life

[attrapereves]

I'm almost wondering if I need to have my transmission looked at.

Sometimes when I release the clutch after shifting, the car sort of jerks. This happened today in 3rd and 4th gear. After I parked, went in the store, and drove again, it did not do it.

Also, my transmission grinds 90% of the time going into 3rd gear.

Any thoughts?

[Kalispel]

I'm starting to think that they don't build clutches/manuals like they used to. My 2000 Accord Sedan still shifts silky smooth at almost 200,000 miles - with the original stock transmission and clutch. But, on the flip side, the power windows in that car have been the bane of my existence.

[attrapereves]

^^ I agree. I see reports of different cars all the time with "my clutch is dead at 30K" from drivers who have driven manuals for years.

Also, where is the catch point supposed to be on the Yaris? I'd say that mine is in the last half of the release.

[tykeeler]

I have a 2014 Yaris that I just bought last September... 1rst and 2nd have already been replaced. And now my 3rd gear is doing the same. Plan on taking it in tomorrow to get that shit fixed!

[ABSPLASTIC]

Take your time shifting gears, get a weighted shift knob, press your clutch pedal all the way down! I've got 48k miles on my Yaris and still drives like it's brand spankin new.

[bronsin]

There do seem to be people ratting out their clutch who say they have reliable experience using them.

Perhaps theres a problem in manufacutre because so few manuals get made nowadays.

But also we have to face the possibility that its driver induced.

I do know the drive by wire change from drive by cable actuated throttle on two of my cars is a LOT less capable of smooth transitions from stop to start with an aitomatic transmission. I have to imagine that would play hell with a clutch...

[jambo101]

Just passed 190K Kms on my 08 Yaris sedan and no problems with clutch to date..

[tykeeler]

In this instance it's not the driver. Anytime I'm driving at 3000 rpm's or higher, it grinds no matter how far the clutch is pressed.

If I'm shifting lower than 3000 rpm's, the problem doesn't occur. Also, if I'm down shifting into 3rd it does not grind.

[aspro]

Its common in this car. Possibly the worst clutch I have ever owned and all of my cars have been stick. From the day I picked it up brand new from the dealer I had intermittent problems when the car was cold it would shutter like crazy taking off from first. I blamed it on the electronic throttle but apparently many people had this issue. Also, when I've been on the track with it, winding it up to the top of the power band and shifting into 3rd it would grind going into the gear for a split second. The clutch is fine and I'm at 100k km's now but it still is the worst clutch I have ever owned in my lifetime. I won't replace it until it is toast but when I do it will not be OEM. That's for sure.

[tykeeler]

Toyota said that the reason 3rd gear is grinding is because of a bad Trans axel. Nothing having to do with the driver.

[fnkngrv]

Toyota said that the reason 3rd gear is grinding is because of a bad Trans axel. Nothing having to do with the driver.
Please make sure that you share more info on this.

[tykeeler]

Please make sure that you share more info on this.
The transaxle combines the functionality of the transmission, the differential, and associated components of the driven axle into one integrated assembly.

In my case, my transaxle had somehow chipped on the inside. And those chips had been lodged in between my gears, which was causing the grinding. The mechanic said that he sees this a lot among the Yaris's.

[fnkngrv]

I had the same symptoms you had with my 1st transmission. I know what the transaxle does.....just wanted to know more details of your situation. I plan on tearing my now spare transmission down and putting in different 5th and driven gears however now it sounds like it may require a complete teardown instead and I could run into the issue again. I guess it may be smarter to start looking for the TRD 6 speed and modding that instead.

[tykeeler]

I had the same symptoms you had with my 1st transmission. I know what the transaxle does.....just wanted to know more details of your situation. I plan on tearing my now spare transmission down and putting in different 5th and driven gears however now it sounds like it may require a complete teardown instead and I could run into the issue again. I guess it may be smarter to start looking for the TRD 6 speed and modding that instead.
I had to replace 1rst and 2nd gear back in December. I've owned 3 manual cars now, and this is the only transmission I have had a problem with. If another one occurs, I will also be looking into the TRD

[fnkngrv]

For me going to that TRD trans could be a downgrade due to ratios. I would have to modify it too. Afaik the only way to get one is to buy a half cut so be prepared for that if you get serious about it.

[ArmstrongRacing]

...get a weighted shift knob, press your clutch pedal all the way down!

^This is good advice. Also, regular maintenance on the trans fluid.

[2009Toyotoad]

I'm almost wondering if I need to have my transmission looked at.

Sometimes when I release the clutch after shifting, the car sort of jerks. This happened today in 3rd and 4th gear. After I parked, went in the store, and drove again, it did not do it.

Also, my transmission grinds 90% of the time going into 3rd gear.

Any thoughts?

You should get it checked out.

Best purchase I made was the TRD Quick short shift kit. It made a world of difference and most shops charge about an hours labor to install it. BTW I've heard good things about the MicroImage short shift Kit. and somewhere there is the DIY Post instructions.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Toyota-Yaris-Engine-Bay-Short-Shift-Kit-/171779202140?hash=item27fed69c5c

[esse10]

The original question in this thread post was not answered as to what is the life span of the clutch in these yaris cars? anybody?

I'm at 149k miles in my 09 and still shifting normal. I put about
480 commute hwy miles a week to and from work.

[tmontague]

exactly 448.6798 engine hours or 9876.25 shifts, which ever comes first ;)

depends on driving conditions and driver. What you have posted above is various owners real world examples of how long an oem Yaris clutch can last. They seem to range from 60,000km upwards to 350,000+km. Essentially if you are good at driving standard and aren't racing your Yaris/drive in a clutch saving way then you won't really ever have to worry about replacing the clutch unless you plan on making it a 20 year car which it's more than capable of being

[Kalispel]

Also, just like water pumps and such, there are lemon/substandard clutches in every run, due to production variances, design or whatever. The question is what % of Yaris clutches are lemons, and is it a higher % rate than normal (like their water pumps in the 2007/2008 models). Certain components for certain vehicles just have a higher failure rates than they reasonably should (like the cracked engine block syndrome in the 2006-2008 non-Si Honda Civics, for example).

[33OH]

I'm at 160k on my clutch, clutch and transmission still works like its new. I changed the gear oil at 100k with Mobil1, other than that - no maintenance or fixes needed.

[2009Toyotoad]

The original question in this thread post was not answered as to what is the life span of the clutch in these yaris cars? anybody?

I'm at 149k miles in my 09 and still shifting normal. I put about
480 commute hwy miles a week to and from work.

Unfortunately, there really is no such thing as an average or median lifespan of a clutch on any car. However, there are average clutch lifespan based on driver, road & traffic conditions, and driver experience. In my early 20s 65k miles was my clutch life expectancy. By 35 it jumped to 90k, at 50 I expect 160K to 180K miles. Its not the part, its how well the part is used. My wife could still ruin a clutch in 30K, which is why she does not drive a manual if at all possible. She a fair and reasonable driver but sucks at using the clutch well and she knows It's something she has no desire to learn.

I'm not ragging on any age or one sex over the other. I know women who are better with a clutch than I am and truckers who never need to press the pedal besides leaving from a stopped position to a tolling state. They are simply that good with the equipment they drive

[fnkngrv]

Unfortunately, there really is no such thing as an average or median lifespan of a clutch on any car. However, there are average clutch lifespan based on driver, road & traffic conditions, and driver experience. In my early 20s 65k miles was my clutch life expectancy. By 35 it jumped to 90k, at 50 I expect 160K to 180K miles. Its not the part, its how well the part is used. My wife could still ruin a clutch in 30K, which is why she does not drive a manual if at all possible. She a fair and reasonable driver but sucks at using the clutch well and she knows It's something she has no desire to learn.

I'm not ragging on any age or one sex over the other. I know women who are better with a clutch than I am and truckers who never need to press the pedal besides leaving from a stopped position to a tolling state. They are simply that good with the equipment they drive
EXACTLY!!!

[nookandcrannycar]

The original question in this thread post was not answered as to what is the life span of the clutch in these yaris cars? anybody?

I'm at 149k miles in my 09 and still shifting normal. I put about
480 commute hwy miles a week to and from work.

I have over 300,000 miles on the original clutch in my blue Yaris, as well as (in the past) over 150,000 miles and almost 200,000 miles on two other manual transmission cars purchased new that never needed the clutch replaced (those cars = doomed re other issues}. Also..never needed to replace the clutch in any cars with fewer miles...even 90k plus. The clutch on my '14 Yaris doesn't feel as though it will last as long as the one in my '07 Yaris.

[bronsin]

The clutch on my '14 Yaris doesn't feel as though it will last as long as the one in my '07 Yaris.

As I mentioned before, the drive by wire throttle response is NOT as good as the old cable actuated one. :thumbsup: That this is a likely culprit for early clutch demise I believe cant be stated enough. :bow:

[nookandcrannycar]

As I mentioned before, the drive by wire throttle response is NOT as good as the old cable actuated one. :thumbsup: That this is a likely culprit for early clutch demise I believe cant be stated enough. :bow:

:thumbsup: Thanks. I thought someone had brought up a difference (and I thought I remembered it had been you), but I couldn't remember the actual difference.

[tmontague]

I agree with this completely. As much as I like the lighter more fuel efficient electric parts like the power steering, I have never found drive by wire as smooth.

[fnkngrv]

dbw is as awkward as a teen virgin.

[bronsin]

I agree with this completely. As much as I like the lighter more fuel efficient electric parts like the power steering, I have never found drive by wire as smooth.

PLEASE don't make me :cry:!

The lighter more efficient parts? The Yaris weighs 3-400 pounds more than the car it replaced the ECHO!

Pretty crazy lighter parts huh? :iono:

[fnkngrv]

PLEASE don't make me :cry:!

The lighter more efficient parts? The Yaris weighs 3-400 pounds more than the car it replaced the ECHO!

Pretty crazy lighter parts huh? :iono:
Uumm there's a lot of explanation for the different weights between the 2 different chassis. I'm pretty sure he was referring to drivetrain components. The additional safety equipment alone makes a lot of that difference. Hell just the fact that the echo has smaller wheels compare to the Yaris accounts for some of that weight difference. No matter how you slice it. Regardless I would be willing to make some compromises rather than drive or own the USDM echo because I am sorry but that car is ugly as f***.

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[tmontague]

PLEASE don't make me :cry:!

The lighter more efficient parts? The Yaris weighs 3-400 pounds more than the car it replaced the ECHO!

Pretty crazy lighter parts huh? :iono:

Lol that gave me a good laugh!

I was referring to a standard power steering pump w/ fluid etc compared to an electrical one.

[bronsin]

My 2001 ECHO was cheap, economical, comfortable, capable, reliable and built to last a long long time.

That adds up to beautiful in my book!

[bronsin]

Lol that gave me a good laugh!

I was referring to a standard power steering pump w/ fluid etc compared to an electrical one.

Yes I know. I think that's great but a car as small and light as the ECHO and Yaris doesn't really even need PS...

[Kalispel]

Yes I know. I think that's great but a car as small and light as the ECHO and Yaris doesn't really even need PS...

I agree. My 1986 Honda CRX-Si didn't have power steering way back in the day and I never missed it. It's an unnecessary feature in subcompacts, and more of a marketing bullet-point (as are power windows), if anything.

[Lux]

104'000 km on factory clutch so far. I carry weight/passengers and race the car frequently. Speculate a service life of around 200'000 to 250'000 km with my driving. Should note that my downshifts are double clutch rev matched, as a force of habit, instead of using the clutch to speed up the input shaft.

[nookandcrannycar]

dbw is as awkward as a teen virgin.

:laugh: