Redtop BEAMS Conversion

[Rednaz]

I've recently found a company in South Africa that can do the BEAMS conversion for R33 000 (that's roughly $3300). It includes: Engine,Gearbox with mountings, Exhaust Downpipe, Cooling System,Gauges,Dicktator Management and Mapping...but before get my finances in order to do it, I'd like to know:
*What other mods should I do then?
(I'm currently planning to upgrade to Braided Brake Lines and EBC Yellow Brake Pads, Slotted and Drilled Rotors and Performance Brake Fluid for braking power. I currently have 35mm drop springs with 15 inch rims and a front UR Strut Bar but would like to add BC Coilovers and UR Rear sway bar).

If you guys have any other comments/suggestions, please let me know.

TIA

[WeeYari]

If you guys have any other comments/suggestions, please let me know.


My only comment, GET IT DONE!. This is definitely something new and exciting in a community where nothing really different has been done in a very long time.

[ilikerice]

Always skeptical when I see these posts.. I hope you go through with it. Like WeeYari said, we don't see much variety with these cars.

That is one hell of a price for a swap like that including parts. You are looking about that much for a turbo if you do all the labor. Supercharger alone cost that much too..

[Jason@SportsCar]

I've recently found a company in South Africa that can do the BEAMS conversion for R33 000 (that's roughly $3300). It includes: Engine,Gearbox with mountings, Exhaust Downpipe, Cooling System,Gauges,Dicktator Management and Mapping...but before get my finances in order to do it, I'd like to know:
*What other mods should I do then?
(I'm currently planning to upgrade to Braided Brake Lines and EBC Yellow Brake Pads, Slotted and Drilled Rotors and Performance Brake Fluid for braking power. I currently have 35mm drop springs with 15 inch rims and a front UR Strut Bar but would like to add BC Coilovers and UR Rear sway bar).

If you guys have any other comments/suggestions, please let me know.

TIA

Sounds like a great swap, legendary engine.

Slotted and drilled rotors are bling, they will crack, and do nothing to improving braking. Stick with OE style rotors. Spend the money on suspension instead.

[ilikerice]

+1 ^^^

[WeeYari]

Right now, I say focus your money and efforts on the Redtop and only the Redtop. Everything else is just icing and can wait for your bank account to recover.

[Freestylin]

My only comment, GET IT DONE!. This is definitely something new and exciting in a community where nothing really different has been done in a very long time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuHfVn_cfHU

[Rednaz]

Thanks guys for the feedback and advice! Will keep you posted on this!!

[Rednaz]

Guys, a concern that someone told me today is that...my chassis might not be able to handle all the power..usually chassis is doublestitch to handle the strain that the motor puts on the body.

[WeeYari]

Guys, a concern that someone told me today is that...my chassis might not be able to handle all the power..usually chassis is doublestitch to handle the strain that the motor puts on the body.

How much power are we actually talking about being achieved with this conversion?

[brushforhire]

I had no idea what a BEAMS redtop was, so this is what I came across in research.


BEAMS cost effective guide (http://midshiprunabout.org/mk2/guide-cost-effective-beams-swap/)

About 200+ hp according to that site.

[fnkngrv]

How do you mean the chassis handling power? I was running 250 without upgraded mounts or an engine tq damper. The motor does move a lot. I am in the process of upgrading the dogbone to the TRD mount and am installing an engine damper I purchased. This will help protect the cv shafts. Plenty of fuya have run up to 270 or so whp without an issue.

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[Rednaz]

@Weeyari: well stats show the engine puts out 210kw = Roughly 280bhp - (30% power loss from crank to wheels) so we talking about roughly 200whp.

[Rednaz]

@fnkngrv: I know it may sound abit like a noob question but I shared my conversion idea with my friends and that's the only objection they had as to why I shouldn't do the conversion but then again, cali yari was running 357whp and I don't recall him doing anything crazy to the chassis?

[Betrivent]

I don't think anybody who adds a lot of power does anything to the chassis.

[Rednaz]

Like I'm saying guys, I'm just getting my facts in order..

[justjesus]

@fnkngrv: ... cali yari was running 357whp and I don't recall him doing anything crazy to the chassis?

I believe he had TRD mounts, and a roll bar with cross bracing in the rear. I'm sure you can google and find plenty of pics of his car. But no, nothing too crazy with his chassis. AND he autoX'd it, as well as road raced it.

[Rednaz]

Guys..a concern I have is braking power. What brake setup can I run to retain my 15 inch rims but still have decent stopping power for the BEAMS?

[Jason@SportsCar]

Guys..a concern I have is braking power. What brake setup can I run to retain my 15 inch rims but still have decent stopping power for the BEAMS?

Factory brakes are more than adequate, just upgrade the pads. And upgrading does not mean using cheap EBC pads, put a real performance pad on there. We have Hawk DTC-60 custom cut to fit our calipers.

[xnamerxx]

If you have a real concern you can put the SE brakes on the car, but I don't think its an issue. I've had to stop the car from 120-50mph, and never had an issue with overheating or the cars inability to stop.

[Rednaz]

@Jason:So the Hawk DTC-60's we be more than enough to stop a 200hp car? Sorry if it seems like a noob question regarding braking. @xnameraxx: what are SE brakes?

[fnkngrv]

I have upgraded to carbon pads and upgraded rotors, but that is bwcause I have to decel from over 150mph to 40mph in an 1/8th mile. They have served me well so far. I have left the stock rear drums on. Actually with the heavy braking and regular driving amazingly I still have the original shoes and drums with 100k on the chassis. As Jason said the stock setup is pretty robust. 200whp can be handled fine unless you REALLY put the screws to them. As for engine mounts excetera that Garmin was running yes he did indeed upgrade to ttr dumont once he jumped up over the 270 whp mark. And mainly you have to do so because at that point you're running at least 15 pounds of boost in most setups.

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[Jason@SportsCar]

@Jason:So the Hawk DTC-60's we be more than enough to stop a 200hp car? Sorry if it seems like a noob question regarding braking. @xnameraxx: what are SE brakes?

130mpg+ down to 50ish mph, repeat for 14 laps.

http://www.scca.com/videos/1972494

OE rotors, Micro Image brake lines, Hawk DTC-60 pads from Porterfield Brakes. Still look like new. I replace the pads and rotors right before the Runoffs each year, and typically the old ones are still not used up.

The power level of the car is of little significance, its what you do with it.

[Rednaz]

Thanks Jason!