What are your favorite non-Yaris alternatives, and why?

[Kalispel]

Just for fun and polling purposes, what are your favorite/preferred NON-Yaris alternatives, and why?

I'll start - from LOWER priced to HIGHER. These are the only cars I would probably consider buying next month+, if I couldn't get a 2015 white SE Yaris, or a quality, low-mileage, one-owner white 2009-2011 Yaris 4DR Hatchback or Sedan (White or Silver in Sedan).

2011-2013 Toyota Corolla L/LE (Manual/Automatic): Overall, the best looking Corolla generation and/or refresh, in my opinion. The S version is okay also, though a bit over-the-top considering the guts are exactly the same as the L/LE. Since I really don't like the somewhat dated rear "wing" spoilers on sedans anymore, I would have to replace the entire S-trim trunk to get rid of that bolted-on rear wing spoiler, and replace it with a more low-key flush lip trunk spoiler instead. Mandatory exterior add-ons would be fog lights, rear sway bar, aesthetically pleasing 17" alloys, and an exhaust tip. This would easily be the most practical non-Yaris "daily driver" commute car for me. :w00t:

Mid/Late 2008 Civic Si Coupe (Only available in manual, w00t!): The "sweet spot" 9th generation Civic Si, before they switched to goofy looking alloys in 2009, and after they fixed the design flaw in the 6 speed manual that plagued a lot of 2006, 2007, and early 2008 Si's of both types (sedan/coupe). Once again though, I would have to replace the trunk to get rid of that CRAZY LOOKING bolted-on rear wing spoiler in favor of a nice lower-key trunk lip spoiler. :cry:

2012 Honda Civic Si (Only available in manual, w00t!): Coupe or Sedan are both fine, and 2012 is the only latest 10th generation Civic that looks decent, since it is before Honda ruined it with those horrible refreshed front bumper designs, those ridiculously over-the-top rear wing spoilers, and/or the awesomely bad alloy wheel designs.

2016 Scion iM (prefer Manual, but Automatic okay also): I really want to like this car, and do for the most part. The lower body kit is a bit "youth-oriented" for this 50-yea-old, but I like the overall look/proportions of the car. I'm still a bit on the fence about the strange front design of the vehicle - namely the seemingly upside-down headlights and lower front-bumper design. Everything else about the car is a :thumbsup: overall though.

2012-2015 Acura ILX (Manual version): Built on the same platform as the Civic, it is basically just a higher-end Civic Si in more-conservative tuxedo sheetmetal. The 2016 refresh looks worse (IMO), and borrowed some of the worst design elements of the 2014-2015 Civic Coupe (Ughhh), and integrated them into the front/rear bumper design. The new LED headlights also look a lot more cheesy than the 2012-2015 ones.

How about you?

[bronsin]

Excellent! Another chance to voice my opinions and benefit mankind! :tongue:

I would require a 2 door model as I am oversized and benefit greatly from the W I D E and high door entering and exiting the vehicle. There aren't many cars in the Yaris class which fit my requirements. In fact I don't believe there are any.

If something destroyed my Yaris I would buy a used one. Or possibly a used ECHO. The price would be lower than new and Im a pretty good judge of used cars (and their owners) so I wouldn't expect any problems. Theres lots of good ones out there and actually almost any used Yaris/ECHO at the right price would fit the bill.

Im intrigued by the Mitsubishi subcompact with a 1200cc engine and also by the Kia Rio. But theyre four doors. And probably not worthy of the Yaris heritage.

Perhaps Mitsu and Kia would see their way to giving me one to try for a year? :tongue: If I liked the car I would certainly be good advertising! :bellyroll:

[fnkngrv]

I am considering the new Focus RS, new IS 200t, or a Fusion 2.0t however am waiting to hear if they will be releasing a Sport model again of the Fusion this time with the same 2.3t setup in the RS and Mustang. I would consider a 50th anniversary edition Mustang but the other half says that I don't look good in the driver's seat. I am thinking I look too good! lol. I am passed the pont of buying overly simple so another Yaris would be out. Also the other half can't ride in them due to lack of comfort with her disabilities. I need to purchase my next vehicle with most of what I would want from the factory because she is limiting me to fiddling only on the Yaris.

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[fnkngrv]

Excellent! Another chance to voice my opinions and benefit mankind! :tongue:

I would require a 2 door model as I am oversized and benefit greatly from the W I D E and high door entering and exiting the vehicle. There aren't many cars in the Yaris class which fit my requirements. In fact I don't believe there are any.

If something destroyed my Yaris I would buy a used one. Or possibly a used ECHO. The price would be lower than new and Im a pretty good judge of used cars (and their owners) so I wouldn't expect any problems. Theres lots of good ones out there and actually almost any used Yaris/ECHO at the right price would fit the bill.

Im intrigued by the Mitsubishi subcompact with a 1200cc engine and also by the Kia Rio. But theyre four doors. And probably not worthy of the Yaris heritage.

Perhaps Mitsu and Kia would see their way to giving me one to try for a year? :tongue: If I liked the car I would certainly be good advertising! :bellyroll:
I don't think you would like the Kia honestly knowing what I do of you on here. Kia is junk period. I have driven all of their models now and even though I like the looks of the recent gen Optima I still found it to be underwhelming and just junk.

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[nortonfb]

Miata manual, fun to drive.
Pontiac Solstice/Saturn Sky, manual, turbo, more fun
Lotus Elan, manual: I would just park and polish. Most likely sigh a lot.
Smoke a cigar and wonder why I'm broke without a driver's license.

[BLKHILLSGUY]

I don't think you would like the Kia honestly knowing what I do of you on here. Kia is junk period. I have driven all of their models now and even though I like the looks of the recent gen Optima I still found it to be underwhelming and just junk.

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I'm no Kia or Hyundai fan, period. BUT calling Kia junk is an overstatement. Junk is FIAT, Chrysler,and usually Jeep. Kia and Hyundai are along the same lines of Ford. They still have a ways to go, but they have made some huge improvements.

[BLKHILLSGUY]

If I wasn't considering a new Yaris SE, I'd seriously consider a new Tacoma, 4runner revision(next year supposedly), Subaru Crossteck, or if Toyota brings the Aygo over here to the US as a Scion. I don't see a lot of love for the new Yaris on this group. Either people don't like the looks, or they say it's too simple. Reliability is key for me. A fun throwabout is also welcome. That's what I see the Yaris as. And I think the new white Yaris SE in white is a great looking little car. A Honda Fit makes more sense on paper, but I've had 2 of them and I had small issues with them. Honda just isn't as solid as Toyota. Perhaps initially, but not long term. Been there done that. I'm drive a 13 Avalon Limited now. Too fancy for me. Plus it's an automatic. And I hate driving automatics.

[fnkngrv]

I'm no Kia or Hyundai fan, period. BUT calling Kia junk is an overstatement. Junk is FIAT, Chrysler,and usually Jeep. Kia and Hyundai are along the same lines of Ford. They still have a ways to go, but they have made some huge improvements.
My family has had several Fords over the years. The only one we had issues with was my 86 escort and that was due to the duel alloy engine design. I consider Ford miles ahead of Kia.

I am not an LB person at all. I have never found any really sharp unless they are modded. The biggest issue moving forward is that Toyota is essentially discontinuing the Yaris platform in markrts with thier Mazda collab BS.

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[nookandcrannycar]

- New manual Honda Fit
- New base manual Subaru Forester
- 2016 Scion iM (if actually like IRL)
- New 6-speed manual Corolla S

[bronsin]

I don't think you would like the Kia honestly knowing what I do of you on here. Kia is junk period. I have driven all of their models now and even though I like the looks of the recent gen Optima I still found it to be underwhelming and just junk.

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I checked out the 2001 Rio before buying my 2001 ECHO. That car truly was junk! I couldn't BELIEVE the US would allow such a crudely made car to be sold in this country! If they GAVE me one I wouldn't even sell it much less drive it. I don't want to be any part of someone dying. :eek:

There was a guy on the ECHO list at Edmunds who wouldn't shut up about Kias and Hyundais. Said they were just a good as Toyotas! :mad: I cut him down to size every chance I got! :headbang:

If I could drive one (suspension too stiff) and fix it, I would own a 1999 silver with black interior Miata and seldom drive the Yaris! :eek: Had one for many years...

[nookandcrannycar]

There was a guy on the ECHO list at Edmunds who wouldn't shut up about Kias and Hyundais. Said they were just a good as Toyotas! :mad: I cut him down to size every chance I got! :headbang:

:laugh::thumbsup:

If I could drive one (suspension too stiff) and fix it, I would own a 1999 silver with black interior Miata and seldom drive the Yaris! :eek: Had one for many years...

Any issues with having a convertible re winters in the Northeast and not having a garage?

[nookandcrannycar]

Miata manual, fun to drive.
Pontiac Solstice/Saturn Sky, manual, turbo, more fun
Lotus Elan, manual: I would just park and polish. Most likely sigh a lot.
Smoke a cigar and wonder why I'm broke without a driver's license.

:laugh:

[bronsin]

:laugh::thumbsup:



Any issues with having a convertible re winters in the Northeast and not having a garage?

No. The last five or so winters we are in a Little Ice Age here in SJ. Cold and Snowy! I think when I owned the Miata we were in a period of little snow and cold.

You definitely don't want a foot of snow on your vinyl roof!

[nookandcrannycar]

You definitely don't want a foot of snow on your vinyl roof!

:laugh: That's what I was thinking about.

[Kalispel]

I just don't trust the quality of Korean car manufacturers (sort of a gut feeling sort of thing), and their styling is a bit cheesy/weird to me for the most part. I like the look of several U.S. manufacturer cars, but will never trust their quality/craftsmanship.

I think Mazda has come a long way since their partnership with Ford, and their quality has slowly increased in the years since - especially with their "skyactiv" design philosophies. I would have considered a 2016 Mazda2 Sedan, had they ever decided to release it here in the States without the unsightly Scion bastardization of it. Hell, even the previous generation of the Mazda2 sedan was a sharp looking car, and should have been released in the U.S. instead of the hatchback (or at least alongside it). Likewise, their decision to pull the 2016 Mazda2 hatchback release from the U.S. market, in favor of focusing on the new CX-3 release, was a big disappointment. The cheesy over-sized wheels of the CX-3 and higher stance just don't do it for me - but I am sure it will be a HUGE success for Mazda, just as the new HR-V will be for Honda.

[fnkngrv]

I know there is a lot of interest being generated about the new Civic Type R as well. I have just not been a fan of Honda's futuristic (for lack of a better term) dash and cluster design. I just don't care for digital gauges really.

This being said I suppose that my choices (RS, IS, Fusion, and the Type R) aren't really in the same category, but I have been over the simple entry level prowess of the Yaris. Possibly my attitude about it may have been different if Toyota had given it the few things I believe that it needed to continue to demand attention as they continued to sell over the last 10 years especially. At the same time I also get how the mother Corp sees them as less of a boon here in NA so they don't feel they need to add in those improvements with the supposed small ROI.

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[BLKHILLSGUY]

I just don't trust the quality of Korean car manufacturers (sort of a gut feeling sort of thing), and their styling is a bit cheesy/weird to me for the most part. I like the look of several U.S. manufacturer cars, but will never trust their quality/craftsmanship.

I think Mazda has come a long way since their partnership with Ford, and their quality has slowly increased in the years since - especially with their "skyactiv" design philosophies. I would have considered a 2016 Mazda2 Sedan, had they ever decided to release it here in the States without the unsightly Scion bastardization of it. Hell, even the previous generation of the Mazda2 sedan was a sharp looking car, and should have been released in the U.S. instead of the hatchback (or at least alongside it). Likewise, their decision to pull the 2016 Mazda2 hatchback release from the U.S. market, in favor of focusing on the new CX-3 release, was a big disappointment. The cheesy over-sized wheels of the CX-3 and higher stance just don't do it for me - but I am sure it will be a HUGE success for Mazda, just as the new HR-V will be for Honda.

I think Ford benefitted from the Mazda partnership much more than Mazda benefitted. I remember the Ford Festiva, Mercury Tracer, Escorts, etc. Much higher build quality than Ford was doing at that time. Mazda brought the quality to that party. It wasn't Ford.

[bronsin]

On a related note look at what the Chrysler-Merceded relationship did to the "styling" of MB cars. Whereas MB used to have tasteful, dignified looking cars worthy of their heritage NOW they all look like Clown Cars. :tongue:

[invader166]

For me, I suppose it would have to be a Ford Fiesta. (not necessarily the ST trim, but if available, why not?)
That car has been a real success story in Europe since 1976. Size, fuel economy and versatility is very comparable to the Yaris.

[The Limo 2]

My next car, if I was going to have a next car, would be a 2007-2011 Toyota Camry Hybrid. I have always liked them. Just like comfort and reliability. Don't like the body shape of the newer ones. Guess I am getting old.
Roy

[WeeYari]

For me, I suppose it would have to be a Ford Fiesta. (not necessarily the ST trim, but if available, why not?)
That car has been a real success story in Europe since 1976.

And yet has abysmal reliability ratings in North America :iono:

[nookandcrannycar]

And yet has abysmal reliability ratings in North America :iono:

I pulled into a space at Wal-Mart last night next to a brand new Fiesta ST (still had the dealer advertising plate placard). Color looked almost exactly like my '14. It was nice looking, but I still think about the Fiesta rental I had in Tampa last year......35,000 miles, and it felt as though it would fall apart any minute :eek:. At the 290,000 mile point (before the accident :cry:), my blue Yaris felt extremely tight and solid by comparison.

[invader166]

And yet has abysmal reliability ratings in North America :iono:

No kidding. Seems to be the norm with a lot of European imports these days. (Fiat, I'm looking at you)
I honestly wish I had an answer to that. My theory is that cars in Europe just aren't driven as much as cars in N. America, so manufacturers just don't bother using quality parts.
Whereas in N.America, people usually drive an average of about 25,000 miles a year.

[jambo101]

Our 08 Yaris sedan bought new has given us bulletproof reliability and economy so we will be staying with the Toyota Brand as their products have earned out loyalty, looking like summer of 2016 will be time to get something new, Toyota Rav4 is at the top of the list.

[BLKHILLSGUY]

Our 08 Yaris sedan bought new has given us bulletproof reliability and economy so we will be staying with the Toyota Brand as their products have earned out loyalty, looking like summer of 2016 will be time to get something new, Toyota Rav4 is at the top of the list.

I like the Rav4 and have owned one. Unfortunately, I think the current interior is on the cheap side, which is unfortunate because it is such a good vehicle. Maybe a refresh will fix that.

[nookandcrannycar]

I've sat in both the RAV4 and the Honda CR-V each of the last two years at the Houston Auto Show. Each time, I came away with the impression that the CR-V has a better executed, more useful interior. However, the RAV4 is much better looking. I'd pick the Subaru Crosstrek or the Subaru Forester over both the RAV4 and the CR-V solely re just one of the reasons I prefer them, namely that you can't get the RAV4 or the CR-V with a manual transmission.....at least not in the USA.

[Kalispel]

I've sat in both the RAV4 and the Honda CR-V each of the last two years at the Houston Auto Show. Each time, I came away with the impression that the CR-V has a better executed, more useful interior. However, the RAV4 is much better looking. I'd pick the Subaru Crosstrek or the Subaru Forester over both the RAV4 and the CR-V solely re just one of the reasons I prefer them, namely that you can't get the RAV4 or the CR-V with a manual transmission.....at least not in the USA.

Yeah, my interest was perked for the new 2016 Honda HR-V when I learned that you could pick-up an LX trim with manual transmission (and the LX trim is lacking most of the tech-bloat garbage that I don't want). Plus, it's more the size (and look) of "SUV vehicle" that I would want, compared to the RAV4 or CR-V. I'm just not interested in paying more than $20K (out the door price, including sales tax, etc.) for a car that is a pure work/errand commute vehicle, and subject to the BRUTAL sun/heat (and fellow motorists) of AZ.

[kimona]

I checked out the HR-V LX last week. I like the size, the styling is decent enough, and the interior is really quite nice. Don't like the colour options and all the tech crap that comes with the base model, but that's probably just me. The driving experience was just borderline due to the terrible CVT. I wish Honda USA had gone with the 6-speed automatic like in other export markets. If you're a manual tranny buff, then this model may work better for you. Too bad the base model isn't a little more basic; then, the price would be more attractive, too.

[nookandcrannycar]

I like the looks of the HR-V (on the internet :biggrin:) but, like the CR-V, the AWD version isn't available with a manual.

[matti]

I've sat in both the RAV4 and the Honda CR-V each of the last two years at the Houston Auto Show. Each time, I came away with the impression that the CR-V has a better executed, more useful interior. However, the RAV4 is much better looking. I'd pick the Subaru Crosstrek or the Subaru Forester over both the RAV4 and the CR-V solely re just one of the reasons I prefer them, namely that you can't get the RAV4 or the CR-V with a manual transmission.....at least not in the USA.

This may be apropos of nothing, but my friend recently bought a Crosstrek with AT. He's always had manual transmissions, but he test-drove the Crosstrek MT and he said the shifting felt like crap and did a very poor job of engaging. He wouldn't buy the MT because he said it was so bad.

[BLKHILLSGUY]

This may be apropos of nothing, but my friend recently bought a Crosstrek with AT. He's always had manual transmissions, but he test-drove the Crosstrek MT and he said the shifting felt like crap and did a very poor job of engaging. He wouldn't buy the MT because he said it was so bad.

I've seriously been considering the Subie Crosstek UNTIL just a few days ago when Consumer Reports listed 3 of the Subaru engines as using major amounts of oil. If I'm not mistaken, the owners manual says something like a quart for every 1,100 miles or so. I hadn't realized that, but Consumer Reports is usually spot on about crap like this. Not a fan of their car reviews, but the reliability statistics are the real deal. So the Crosstrek is off my list.

[428CobraJet]

What am i looking at in addition to a
1. 2016 special order black SE 5 speed for 18k....the ocd alternative?
Well...in no certain order and i could buy tomorrow or in a year...
2. 2016 special order FiST in black with orange Recaros and flat black stripes. ...because it runs so sweet at 20k. Im afraid id have to prove my manliness at every light. Comes with advanced driver training.
3. 2014-15 Abarth - Cabriolet or not - in black or white with black or red leather. Black top. Its full of passion for under 20k. Whats to prove! Comes with advanced driver training. Will it hold up to 20,000 miles per year? Actually currently looking at leftover GQ...."the machine for the modern man!"triple black.
4. 2016 Japanese built Fit Ex in black because its the sensible alternative and comes with sunroof for 18k. Only non Yaris here that could truly replace my 2009. So practical. But the engine sounds terrible.
5. 2016 or expected-to-be-refreshed 2017 Japanese build Mazda3 5dr 6speed S GT...its pretty and has soul (especially in soul red with tan leather) for 24k. I want to wax it.
6. 2014 or 2015 Juke Nismo rs in black or white with red leather Recaros if it was 20k. A sense of humor. Good Design here...like the Mazda3.
7. 2016 Scion IM in black or blue and the 6 speed because my Yaris has been so good...and it looks somewhat as good as the Mazda3. Somewhat. 20k plus leather.
8. Screw it....a 2016 flat plane crank GT350 R in performance blue for 60k....because i might croak tomorrow!

Toyota, are you listening? Fomoco follows the forums, DO YOU????
Craig

[nookandcrannycar]

This may be apropos of nothing, but my friend recently bought a Crosstrek with AT. He's always had manual transmissions, but he test-drove the Crosstrek MT and he said the shifting felt like crap and did a very poor job of engaging. He wouldn't buy the MT because he said it was so bad.

Interesting. I would pick the Forester over the Crosstrek because I don't like the plastic wheel well trim on the Crosstrek, and (for the base manual) the extra room is worth the extra cost and the slight MPG hit.

[nookandcrannycar]

I've seriously been considering the Subie Crosstek UNTIL just a few days ago when Consumer Reports listed 3 of the Subaru engines as using major amounts of oil. If I'm not mistaken, the owners manual says something like a quart for every 1,100 miles or so. I hadn't realized that, but Consumer Reports is usually spot on about crap like this. Not a fan of their car reviews, but the reliability statistics are the real deal. So the Crosstrek is off my list.

:cry: if the 2.5 in the current Forester is included in the above.

CTScott recently posted that he's driving his Yaris and that his Crosstrek is sitting 'waiting for winter'. I wonder if he has put enough miles on his Crosstrek to be able to tell whether the above is the case for him or not.

[nookandcrannycar]

What am i looking at in addition to a
1. 2016 special order black SE 5 speed for 18k....the ocd alternative?
Well...in no certain order and i could buy tomorrow or in a year...
2. 2016 special order FiST in black with orange Recaros and flat black stripes. ...because it runs so sweet at 20k. Im afraid id have to prove my manliness at every light. Comes with advanced driver training.
3. 2014-15 Abarth - Cabriolet or not - in black or white with black or red leather. Black top. Its full of passion for under 20k. Whats to prove! Comes with advanced driver training. Will it hold up to 20,000 miles per year? Actually currently looking at leftover GQ...."the machine for the modern man!"triple black.
4. 2016 Japanese built Fit Ex in black because its the sensible alternative and comes with sunroof for 18k. Only non Yaris here that could truly replace my 2009. So practical. But the engine sounds terrible.
5. 2016 or expected-to-be-refreshed 2017 Japanese build Mazda3 5dr 6speed S GT...its pretty and has soul (especially in soul red with tan leather) for 24k. I want to wax it.
6. 2014 or 2015 Juke Nismo rs in black or white with red leather Recaros if it was 20k. A sense of humor. Good Design here...like the Mazda3.
7. 2016 Scion IM in black or blue and the 6 speed because my Yaris has been so good...and it looks somewhat as good as the Mazda3. Somewhat. 20k plus leather.
8. Screw it....a 2016 flat plane crank GT350 R in performance blue for 60k....because i might croak tomorrow!

Toyota, are you listening? Fomoco follows the forums, DO YOU????
Craig

2016 Japanese built Fit EX ? Is the production for certain USDM Fit trim levels now going to be coming from Japan :confused: ?...or.....Importing one and doing any necessary modifications ? (:w00t:...if that is possible)

[bronsin]

In the past almost every manufacturer has stated that burning a quart of oil every 1000 miles is "normal" even when the car is new.

Just goes to show you what a gem we have in the Yaris!

My 1992 ST1100 Honda motorcycle took 100k miles to get to the point where it used half a quart in 3000 miles and that was a very hi performance engine.

[428CobraJet]

2016 Japanese built Fit EX ? Is the production for certain USDM Fit trim levels now going to be coming from Japan :confused: ?...or.....Importing one and doing any necessary modifications ? (:w00t:...if that is possible)
Apparently 2016 US deliveries will be supplemented by Japanese manufactured units. According to what i read on Fitafreaks forum.

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[428CobraJet]

In the past almost every manufacturer has stated that burning a quart of oil every 1000 miles is "normal" even when the car is new.

Just goes to show you what a gem we have in the Yaris!

My 1992 ST1100 Honda motorcycle took 100k miles to get to the point where it used half a quart in 3000 miles and that was a very hi performance engine.
They are gems.

I'd be bent if my.new car used a quart every thousand miles.

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[nookandcrannycar]

In the past almost every manufacturer has stated that burning a quart of oil every 1000 miles is "normal" even when the car is new.

Just goes to show you what a gem we have in the Yaris!

My 1992 ST1100 Honda motorcycle took 100k miles to get to the point where it used half a quart in 3000 miles and that was a very hi performance engine.

:thumbsup: My blue Yaris didn't start burning oil until 270,000 + miles, IIRC.....and my oil change regimen (:laugh:...can't really call it a regimen...only about 20 over 300,000 miles) = pretty much the opposite of trini's 500,000 + miles of very frequent oil changes.

[nookandcrannycar]

Apparently 2016 US deliveries will be supplemented by Japanese manufactured units. According to what i read on Fitafreaks forum.

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[attrapereves]

If you like hatchbacks, you are limited to:

Kia Rio/Forte
Hyundai Accent/Elantra
VW Golf
Chevy Spark/Sonic
Ford Fiesta/Focus
Honda Fit

I might be missing a few. Only the Golf is available as a 2dr.

In general, I like to stick to Honda or Toyota for cars. My next car might be a Honda Fit manual, even though I dislike the current minivan look. The Scion iM looks promising.

Looks like it's going to be hard to find an exact replacement for a 2dr super compact Yaris.

[BLKHILLSGUY]

In the past almost every manufacturer has stated that burning a quart of oil every 1000 miles is "normal" even when the car is new.

Just goes to show you what a gem we have in the Yaris!

My 1992 ST1100 Honda motorcycle took 100k miles to get to the point where it used half a quart in 3000 miles and that was a very hi performance engine.

I don't put a drop in between my 10k mile oil changes in my 13 Avalon Limited. Been that way in every Toyota I've ever owned.

[Kalispel]

I don't put a drop in between my 10k mile oil changes in my 13 Avalon Limited. Been that way in every Toyota I've ever owned.

Most of the Honda/Acuras that I have owned started losing a bit of oil to "worn seal" evaporation or whatever around 75-100K+ - but it was easily 100% remedied by simply adding a bottle of 'BARS Main Seal Repair' to the oil after after every oil change.

[nookandcrannycar]

What am i looking at in addition to a
1. 2016 special order black SE 5 speed for 18k....the ocd alternative?
Well...in no certain order and i could buy tomorrow or in a year...
2. 2016 special order FiST in black with orange Recaros and flat black stripes. ...because it runs so sweet at 20k. Im afraid id have to prove my manliness at every light. Comes with advanced driver training.
3. 2014-15 Abarth - Cabriolet or not - in black or white with black or red leather. Black top. Its full of passion for under 20k. Whats to prove! Comes with advanced driver training. Will it hold up to 20,000 miles per year? Actually currently looking at leftover GQ...."the machine for the modern man!"triple black.
4. 2016 Japanese built Fit Ex in black because its the sensible alternative and comes with sunroof for 18k. Only non Yaris here that could truly replace my 2009. So practical. But the engine sounds terrible.
5. 2016 or expected-to-be-refreshed 2017 Japanese build Mazda3 5dr 6speed S GT...its pretty and has soul (especially in soul red with tan leather) for 24k. I want to wax it.
6. 2014 or 2015 Juke Nismo rs in black or white with red leather Recaros if it was 20k. A sense of humor. Good Design here...like the Mazda3.
7. 2016 Scion IM in black or blue and the 6 speed because my Yaris has been so good...and it looks somewhat as good as the Mazda3. Somewhat. 20k plus leather.
8. Screw it....a 2016 flat plane crank GT350 R in performance blue for 60k....because i might croak tomorrow!

Toyota, are you listening? Fomoco follows the forums, DO YOU????
Craig

You could wait for the 2016 Focus RS that will arrive in dealerships in the Spring of 2016...345 HP turbo 2.3 liter. Same engine in the Mustang = 310 HP. One trim level of the Civic Type-R will be available with a 308 HP engine that will be built in the USA. However, that engine won't be available in the Type-R for the USDM :rolleyes:.

[428CobraJet]

Or the 2017 FiestaRS. I drove 2 Abarths this week

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[428CobraJet]

Or the 2017 FiestaRS. I drove 2 Abarths this week

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But the RS twins are getting too pricey to drive the wheels off.


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[nookandcrannycar]

But the RS twins are getting too pricey to drive the wheels off.


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:laugh: The blurbs I read conveniently didn't include any reference to price. Perhaps they felt that would cause a click to another page....before ads could catch eyeballs.

[428CobraJet]

I think the base FiestaRS will start at 25k...Low thirties on FocusRS

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[fnkngrv]

Focus RS will be 38k before dealer creep will happen. Because there has been so much interest alreay generated for the car they are saying they could easily do what the Hellcat did and could cost as much as 45k. I am waiting until the spring to trade my Highlander just for the RS. Another serious option for me will be the IS 200t as long as they bring it to US shores. There has been a rash of aites reporting that it will and those that say that it won't. I would seriously hope that Yota brings it to NA. People are generally excited about turbo based cars now and there is also the falsehood of better FE with turbos.

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[428CobraJet]

No doubt they are fishing for the most. Today, if i can get an Abarth Cabrio for 18 (10k off) im in. Otherwise new Yokohamas in 8/1/15. 60 bucks off per Discount Tire. Its great to have a car so dependable i can choose or not to drive it another 50,000 miles. Or more!

[nookandcrannycar]

Today, if i can get an Abarth Cabrio for 18 (10k off) im in.

:thumbsup: That is a tremendous amount of fun per dollar, even if you pour some back in for repairs. You could take it on the highest in the nation limit part of SH130 between Seguin and Mustang Ridge, through Austin to Dripping Springs, and then (on a sunny day) over to Big Bend.

[428CobraJet]

Thats what i thought. But we're not there yet.

Another dealer is advertising 2015 Abarth (23k sticker) for 17.9k. No option car. But its an Abarth.

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[nookandcrannycar]

Hmmm.....I didn'r realize until today that the HR-V has the "magic seat" feature (:wub:) found in the Fit. The (Base) LX HR-V has the same front headroom as the Fit, and 8/10 of an inch more rear headroom. It is 20cm longer than the Fit. When I saw the 2015 Fit at the Houston Auto Show in January, I thought it was a shame that AWD wasn't offered. With the same seating/cargo configurations as the Fit (IIRC, Honda calls them 'Modes' :laugh:) and the addition of AWD, I might be able to put up with the CVT (companion to the '14 Yaris with a manual). I'd probably wait until the 2018 MY re reliability (Fits out of that plant in Mexico have had some issues), and wait until the premium that the 2016 as a new in demand model is commanding at many Honda dealers. I haven't sat in one yet.

[BLKHILLSGUY]

Hmmm.....I didn'r realize until today that the HR-V has the "magic seat" feature (:wub:) found in the Fit. The (Base) LX HR-V has the same front headroom as the Fit, and 8/10 of an inch more rear headroom. It is 20cm longer than the Fit. When I saw the 2015 Fit at the Houston Auto Show in January, I thought it was a shame that AWD wasn't offered. With the same seating/cargo configurations as the Fit (IIRC, Honda calls them 'Modes' :laugh:) and the addition of AWD, I might be able to put up with the CVT (companion to the '14 Yaris with a manual). I'd probably wait until the 2018 MY re reliability (Fits out of that plant in Mexico have had some issues), and wait until the premium that the 2016 as a new in demand model is commanding at many Honda dealers. I haven't sat in one yet.

The HRV is basically a Fit. Be careful with that CVT, some Honda Fit owners are flooding the forums with issues from the CVT. They do offer a manual if you were interested.

[nookandcrannycar]

The HRV is basically a Fit. Be careful with that CVT, some Honda Fit owners are flooding the forums with issues from the CVT. They do offer a manual if you were interested.

Thanks for the info re that CVT :thumbsup:. Drats :frown:. I already knew a manual is available, but unfortunately that manual isn't available on the AWD version :frown:.

[BLKHILLSGUY]

Thanks for the info re that CVT :thumbsup:. Drats :frown:. I already knew a manual is available, but unfortunately that manual isn't available on the AWD version :frown:.

That blows. If I got the HRV I'd definitely want AWD, and I'm not willing to chance their questionable CVT. I guess it makes sense, only 10 percent of cars manufacturerd for the US are manual.

[428CobraJet]

Save the manuals!

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[Kalispel]

The sad future of the Yaris:

https://www.yahoo.com/autos/2016-scion-ia-first-drive-123379911907.html?bcmt=comments-postbox

[428CobraJet]

Not sad. A great way to get an awesome platform. And Mazda needs this. ZoomZoom.

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[Kalispel]

Less long-term reliability, and arguably the ugliest front design ever to grace an automobile. Perhaps Toyota will solve the ugly part by the time it becomes the Yaris in the USA.

[428CobraJet]

Some Toyotas aren't as stellar as others, no? I admit the Yaris is dependable, but its time.

This is working for the FR-S?

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[bronsin]

Just goes to show you the taste of the buying public. That front end is HIDEOUS but hey....thats what sells. You gotta be different. You gotta have pizzaz.

Yeah right.

No thanks for me I would buy the exact same ECHO as my 2001....or the exact same Yaris as my 2009 every ten or fifteen years.

Unless they came out with something REALLY different like a one liter engine or a car that weighed 1500 pounds.

But not at the expense of reliability!

[nookandcrannycar]

Not sad. A great way to get an awesome platform. And Mazda needs this. ZoomZoom.

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I agree....and even if the new 2 version made it to our shores, I'd still give the nod for after the sale dealership needs to the Scion iA.

[2009Toyotoad]

Of all the cars I have traded away. I would like an 05' to end of model line Mercury Grand Marquis. Best V-8 highway cruiser I ever owned. Possibly my bone stock 1971 Ford F100 with radio. First rebuild ever. None of the newer stuff inspires me to one degree more than the other and I'm rather satisfied with the rest of our fleet.

[Kalispel]

Less long-term reliability, and arguably the ugliest front design ever to grace an automobile. Perhaps Toyota will solve the ugly part by the time it becomes the Yaris in the USA.

In all fairness, once I Photoshopped a European-styled license plate onto the front end of the silver Scion iA pictured in that article, it did look a bit better. :laugh:

[attrapereves]

Less long-term reliability, and arguably the ugliest front design ever to grace an automobile. Perhaps Toyota will solve the ugly part by the time it becomes the Yaris in the USA.

Mazda has a habit of making the front end look as ridiculous as possible. I originally liked the styling of the new Mazda 3, but don't like how large the front is compared to the rear.

http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z72/Norante/mazda3.png

[Kalispel]

Mazda has a habit of making the front end look as ridiculous as possible. I originally liked the styling of the new Mazda 3, but don't like how large the front is compared to the rear.


:thumbsup: 100% Agree. The 2016 Mazda2 has the same proportions problem.

[Idahotom]

I've seriously been considering the Subie Crosstek UNTIL just a few days ago when Consumer Reports listed 3 of the Subaru engines as using major amounts of oil. If I'm not mistaken, the owners manual says something like a quart for every 1,100 miles or so. I hadn't realized that, but Consumer Reports is usually spot on about crap like this. Not a fan of their car reviews, but the reliability statistics are the real deal. So the Crosstrek is off my list.

FWIW: some engine designs use oil, by design, something about low friction rings and a tradeoff between using a bit of oil and better fuel economy because of the lower friction. Weird I know but true.

[Thirty-Nine]

If my Yaris blew up tomorrow, these are what I'd consider, in no particular order, all with manual transmissions:

Used Fiat 500 Abarth
Used Mazda2 Touring
Used Scion xD
Used Nissan Cube S
Used Suzuki Vitara/Chevrolet Tracker (2.0 L)
Used 2010+ Yaris five door
Used Chevy Sonic 1.4t (possibly; would have to have low miles)

New Chevy Spark 2LT
New Mitsubishi Mirage (I'd at go drive a manual, but it's unlikely)
New Yaris SE if I could figure out how to get a 5MT

Possibly, just possibly, a Scion iQ despite its CVT.

[Kalispel]

If my 2015 m/t Yaris SE was totaled tomorrow, and I survived it :biggrin:, my top choices for a new vehicle:

#1 - 2016 Yaris SE - preferably m/t, white, silver, gray, or blue :thumbsup::thumbsup:
#2 - 2010-2012 Yaris Sedan - a/t, if I could find a low-mileage, good condition one, silver or white
#3 - Used (2012-2015) Acura ILX - m/t only

[attrapereves]

If my 2015 m/t Yaris SE was totaled tomorrow, and I survived it :biggrin:, my top choices for a new vehicle:

#1 - 2016 Yaris SE - preferably m/t, white, silver, gray, or blue :thumbsup::thumbsup:
#2 - 2010-2012 Yaris Sedan - a/t, if I could find a low-mileage, good condition one, silver or white
#3 - 2016 Civic LX/EX - m/t only, latest pics look pretty good to me - though the ugly alloys would have to go.
#4 - Used (preferably) or New Acura ILX - m/t only

The choice in transmission for the 2010-2012 Yaris, is it because of the horrible clutch and throttle?

[BLKHILLSGUY]

:thumbsup: 100% Agree. The 2016 Mazda2 has the same proportions problem.

The Mazda 2 is not very attractive in my humble opinion. It has a super long snout that seems out of proportion. The interior is pretty nice though. And I do trust Mazda. Not as much as Toyota however. My 91 Ford Festiva was a Mazda 121(Japan) and assembled in S Korea by Kia. Hell Kia was even selling the Mazda made car under a Kia name. Those Festiva's were tough little shits. Many on the road have 300k miles on them. Hell you still see them on the road today. A lot tougher than the Metro's of the day.

[Kalispel]

The choice in transmission for the 2010-2012 Yaris, is it because of the horrible clutch and throttle?

That's a big part of the reason, especially based on all the negative impressions I have heard about pre-2015 manual Yaris - plus a manual 2010-2012 Yaris sedan would next to impossible to find, low-mileage/good-condition/right-color or not (and 2012 sedans were all automatic fleet/rental vehicles only originally). I really do love the look of that generation Yaris sedan though.

I was nervous as hell ordering my 2015 SE manual Yaris from another state completely blind, having never test driven anything other than the 2015 SE automatic. Thank goodness Toyota managed to create a pleasant manual driving experience with the 2015 refinements (at least it seems fine to me, and comparable to my past Honda manuals). Even the throttle seems fine, once I got used to it after about a week. It's pretty easy now to get the RPMs at 1200-1500 for smooth, relaxed launching in first gear from stop.

[why?]

Well since I just bought a Subaru BRZ I guess I will mention that one.

[miami]

Well since I just bought a Subaru BRZ I guess I will mention that one.

pics or it didnt happen!

[Lux]

If I am barred from buying a Yaris and must purchase a competitor:

Honda Fit.
Chassis code GE8.
Made in Japan.

[attrapereves]

If I am barred from buying a Yaris and must purchase a competitor:

Honda Fit.
Chassis code GE8.
Made in Japan.

Why the barring? I'll buy another Yaris, even though I find the car boring. It is super reliable though.

[invader166]

If I wasn't limited to the North American market, i would also consider a "boy racer" Clio 200 EDC.

https://www.google.ca/search?q=clio+200+edc+red&client=ms-android-bell-ca&hl=en-CA&source=android-browser-type&prmd=ivsn&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAWoVChMI5sWyiIGEyAIVzZWICh20xws-#imgrc=-owICctLDzc3-M%3A

[nookandcrannycar]

Why the barring?

:smile: See thread title :smile:

[nookandcrannycar]

If I wasn't limited to the North American market, i would also consider a "boy racer" Clio 200 EDC.

https://www.google.ca/search?q=clio+200+edc+red&client=ms-android-bell-ca&hl=en-CA&source=android-browser-type&prmd=ivsn&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAWoVChMI5sWyiIGEyAIVzZWICh20xws-#imgrc=-owICctLDzc3-M%3A

I like it :thumbsup:

[inamoto]

interesting thread, I also have the same question http://wigunpics.science/4/g.png

[BLKHILLSGUY]

Maybe a new Tacoma. Hate wasting gas though, but it'd be great for winters around here which are notoriously difficult.