Diesel Yaris

[bronsin]

Europe as is well known for being diesel car friendly. Many smart Euros own diesel engine cars for their longevity and supposedly cheap operating costs.

Well maybe they weren't as smart as they thought.

Theres pretty bad pollution in many European countries and the experts are laying it squarely on the diesel propelled cars. Here in Philly once or twice a year we do have bad pollution warnings in the weather forecast however there is no visible smog ever.

Not so in Paris.

Diesel fuel is only about 30 cents a gallon more here in NJ after maybe 15 years of being as much as 30% more. But its still more and that combined with the higher purchase price makes owning one not the economic proposition it once was...

I guess we dodged a bullet on that one.

[BLKHILLSGUY]

I read the other day that the environmental pollution in China is the equivalent of smoking 21 cigarettes each day.

[tmontague]

Diesel cars are good for more than just fuel efficiency. Their higher torque makes them a better vehicle for hauling gear in a small car up hills all while keeping the fuel guzzling to a minimum.

Driving out to Quebec through the mountains for a mountain bike race with 2 bikes a cooler and suitcase was a lot for my Hyundai that I had at the time with a 1.6L engine. A diesel would've been the perfect option for me.

I look forward to the day a reliable company like Toyota comes out with a diesel engine in Canada. You are correct about the purchase prices though, i'm not a fan of the premium

[Bluevitz-rs]

put a turbo on any engine and you'll have lots of torque, it doesn't have to be diesel.

[bronsin]

I look forward to the day a reliable company like Toyota comes out with a diesel engine in Canada. You are correct about the purchase prices though, i'm not a fan of the premium

huH NO Toyota DIESEL IN Canada? They have diesel everything else like diesel Smart.

[Bluevitz-rs]

huH NO Toyota DIESEL IN Canada? They have diesel everything else like diesel Smart.

Bronsin post no.3000 :w00t:

[bronsin]

Bronsin post no.3000 :w00t:

Yes but still five stars. :cry:

[tmontague]

i'd be interested in a small car diesel like the Yaris not a big vehicle like a truck. As far as i've seen there is no such option from Toyota yet.

Adding a turbo doesn't give you the low end efficient torque a diesel does. Look at Ford's brutal eco boost engine, the fuel efficiency numbers are horrendous and way under the posted amount. A diesel engine will always offer better torque with less fuel use then a gasoline based engine due to its inherent design. They are also generally more durable than a turbo engine as they have higher compression and are built heavier to compensate.

I'd rather hit the power band lower in th rpm's then higher up. Driving on a highway is fun when the tach is only at 1500rpm' vs the typical 3000 seen on a small 1.5L gasoline.

[MUSKOKA800]

I doubt we'll see Toyota diesel's in NA while they are pushing hybrid's.

[nookandcrannycar]

Bronsin post no.3000 :w00t:

I remember being aware that he was getting close, but I missed that....drats :laugh:.

[nookandcrannycar]

Yes but still five stars. :cry:

:laugh:. I think the sixth star fills in at 3,500.

[nookandcrannycar]

I read the other day that the environmental pollution in China is the equivalent of smoking 21 cigarettes each day.

Wow. Makes me think about how unfortunate that is for children, and reminds me about reading somewhere that supermodel turned humanitarian and filmmaker Christy Turlington Burns smoked 2 packs of cigarettes a day from age 13 until age 26...and at age 31 was diagnosed with Emphysema.

[bronsin]

:laugh:. I think the sixth star fills in at 3,500.

I think if I want that 6th star Im gonna have to drive to AK again...maybe in winter. :biggrin:

Hey diesel fuel is very nearly the same price here in NJ as gas now. $2.05 for gas $2.25 for diesel. Hast been that close in years. When I was driving my 240D in the 90s diesel was 79 cents and gas 99.

Yeah its not just cancer you get from ciggies. Plenty of other things too!

[BLKHILLSGUY]

I think if I want that 6th star Im gonna have to drive to AK again...maybe in winter. :biggrin:

Hey diesel fuel is very nearly the same price here in NJ as gas now. $2.05 for gas $2.25 for diesel. Hast been that close in years. When I was driving my 240D in the 90s diesel was 79 cents and gas 99.

Yeah its not just cancer you get from ciggies. Plenty of other things too!

Sam's Club gas is 2.59 here in western S Dakota, everywhere else is $2.77. We are getting ripped.

[why?]

The "experts" are morons. Europe's exhaust laws are nuts, and to blame it on cars is a communist enslavement propaganda tool and nothing more.

Cars only make a small portion of environmental pollution, and europe's other eco laws are no where near as strong as the US's.

[nookandcrannycar]

The "experts" are morons. Europe's exhaust laws are nuts, and to blame it on cars is a communist enslavement propaganda tool and nothing more.

Cars only make a small portion of environmental pollution, and europe's other eco laws are no where near as strong as the US's.

:laugh: :thumbsup: For some reason, this makes me think about a comment Obama made. He complimented the government in China for 'being very good at controlling their people/citizenry' :rolleyes:.

[why?]

:laugh: :thumbsup: For some reason, this makes me think about a comment Obama made. He complimented the government in China for 'being very good at controlling their people/citizenry' :rolleyes:.

That's the most scary thing I have ever heard him say. I guess he is a fan of Tienanmen square.

[bronsin]

He thinks people who don't agree with him on things like gun control, Iran, and global warming are idiots.

Its his way or the highway.

The scariest things Ive heard him says are about Putin:

"Doesn't he know the cold war ended 20 years ago?"

and ISIS:

"Theyre the JV team."

Of yeah and his take on the Trayvon Martin thing was pretty nuts too. I wonder if he realizes Zimmerman was innocent and he made a big mistake not getting the facts before he said what he did?

[nookandcrannycar]

That's the most scary thing I have ever heard him say. I guess he is a fan of Tienanmen square.

I thought it would be easy to find a link to this...but I can't find anything :eek:. I heard him make such a reference with my own two ears. The worst thing about it, IMO, was that he was slightly chuckling as his words tumbled out. Sadly, so many people 'give him a pass' on so many different things that I didn't think many others, if any others, would shake their heads about it or find it alarming.

[why?]

I thought it would be easy to find a link to this...but I can't find anything :eek:. I heard him make such a reference with my own two ears. The worst thing about it, IMO, was that he was slightly chuckling as his words tumbled out. Sadly, so many people 'give him a pass' on so many different things that I didn't think many others, if any others, would shake their heads about it or find it alarming.

It is all about the media. They sold their soul to get him elected, and they are too cowardly to ever say they made a mistake.

[Kar98]

Europe as is well known for being diesel car friendly. Many smart Euros own diesel engine cars for their longevity and supposedly cheap operating costs.

Well maybe they weren't as smart as they thought.

Theres pretty bad pollution in many European countries and the experts are laying it squarely on the diesel propelled cars. Here in Philly once or twice a year we do have bad pollution warnings in the weather forecast however there is no visible smog ever.

Not so in Paris.

Diesel fuel is only about 30 cents a gallon more here in NJ after maybe 15 years of being as much as 30% more. But its still more and that combined with the higher purchase price makes owning one not the economic proposition it once was...

I guess we dodged a bullet on that one.

In Europe, especially in Germany, Diesel fuel is a lot cheaper than gasoline, and their Diesel fuel is a lot cleaner than that nasty liquid soot that's being sold here. Taxes on cars and fuel are quite high over there, so people save wherever they can. Better fuel mileage, cheaper to buy the fuel, so they put up with the higher cost to buy Diesel cars. And pollution in German cities isn't anywhere near what it was in decades past, thanks to strict regulations and modern emissions control systems.
Case in point, the top dozen cargo ships in the world emit more pollution than all the cars in the world combined.

[bronsin]

Read all about it:



http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-3062179/The-death-knell-diesel-cars-Drivers-targeted-Supreme-Court-rules-Government-tackle-air-pollution.html

[Kar98]

Read all about it:



http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-3062179/The-death-knell-diesel-cars-Drivers-targeted-Supreme-Court-rules-Government-tackle-air-pollution.html

'Today's diesel engines are the cleanest ever, high tech filters capture 99 per cent of particulates and NO2 emissions are down 84 per cent since 2000.'

Gotcha :biggrin:

[nookandcrannycar]

Volkswagen is using 'miles between fill ups' in their 'diesel marketing'. There is a big billboard above Volkswagen of The Woodlands that reads something like '800 plus miles per tank' with a picture of a Diesel (Jetta? Passat?) and a huge arrow pointing straight down at the dealership. I've seen Volkswagen TV commercials (national, or at least regional) that are attempting to illustrate that same message.

[nookandcrannycar]

It is all about the media. They sold their soul to get him elected, and they are too cowardly to ever say they made a mistake.

:thumbsup:Yep.

[bronsin]

'Today's diesel engines are the cleanest ever, high tech filters capture 99 per cent of particulates and NO2 emissions are down 84 per cent since 2000.'

Gotcha :biggrin:

"Diesel engines emit 10 times the particulate matter and (more) no2 than their gas counterparts."

:iono:

[bronsin]

Volkswagen is using 'miles between fill ups' in their 'diesel marketing'. There is a big billboard above Volkswagen of The Woodlands that reads something like '800 plus miles per tank' with a picture of a Diesel (Jetta? Passat?) and a huge arrow pointing straight down at the dealership. I've seen Volkswagen TV commercials (national, or at least regional) that are attempting to illustrate that same message.

I loved my 240D but all the added tech that allows diesels to meet emissions laws adds to the purchase price and maintenance costs so the savings just aren't there.

The higher costs of diesel fuel is just the nail in the coffin.

Currently to lower record high stocks of fuel diesel is only 2 cents more per gallon here in NJ. But once the bluge goes away I expect the price differential to come back.

[nookandcrannycar]

I loved my 240D but all the added tech that allows diesels to meet emissions laws adds to the purchase price and maintenance costs so the savings just aren't there.

The higher costs of diesel fuel is just the nail in the coffin.

Currently to lower record high stocks of fuel diesel is only 2 cents more per gallon here in NJ. But once the bluge goes away I expect the price differential to come back.

Yep...

.....and back when gas engines didn't reliably make it much past 100,000 miles, the scales tipped a bit more toward diesels...that could go 300,000 to 500,000 miles or more.