PG Hub spacers group buy

[Vitz_Q8]

Hello everyone,

I've contacted Penguin Garage regarding the rear spacers since Garm is not working on MicroImage any more. Unfortunately they haven't done a run for a while, but they said if there is enough demand they might make a run. I've seen couple of people here asking about the spacers so hopefully we can make it happen. If you don't know about PG spacers here's some info:


The rear hub spacers come in both 10mm and 13mm sizes and come with everything needed to install.

They will work on all Toyota Yaris (NCP91) and Scion xD.

Rear hub spacers attach between the hub and the rear axle and widen the rear track of the car. Hub spacers have the following benefits:
-Wider rear track increases handling
-safer/easier to install than wheel spacers and maintenance free
-provide a more aggressive stance
-eliminate the need for longer wheel studs (unlike most wheel spacers)

These rear hub spacers come complete with everything needed for correct installation including:
-2 6061-T6 aircraft grade aluminium hub spacers (10mm or 13mm width)
-8 Class 12.9 socket head capscrews
-8 Hardened washers
-1 Packet of anti-corrosion compound

check here to see how they look:
http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37483


Please post here and let others know, Penguin Garage will be following this thread to gauge the interest.

[tmontague]

I'm interested, just curious on price. I'm planning on running 6.5" wide tires with a +38 offset so i'm not sure if I can also squeeze a 10mm spacer in there as well, although seeing how the rear is narrower I may be ok.

[aspro]

Add me to the list. I contact PG about a month ago ready to buy some and no one ever responded.

[phaznet]

I'm interested!

[tk-421]

Nice to see a group buy around these parts... It's been a while for sure! :thumbsup:

FYI: I'm not sure about newer Yaris models, but the 07 has a weird offset on the rear passenger-side hub. I believe it's 3mm but I'm sure CTScott has posted a precise measurement in another thread. I would be VERY interested in getting a single slimmer one to prevent the tyre from rubbing, since the 10" PG spacer I have on rubs a bit when there's more than one person in the car. BTW, I have 15x6.5" ET +38 wheels and 205/55/R15 tyres.

@Vitz_Q8: Please PM me to let me know about the details on this group buy (ie, will you be receiving all payments & items and shipping them later?)

TIA and best of luck!

[Vitz_Q8]

Sorry guys for not replying. I've been very busy this week.

I'm interested, just curious on price. I'm planning on running 6.5" wide tires with a +38 offset so i'm not sure if I can also squeeze a 10mm spacer in there as well, although seeing how the rear is narrower I may be ok.

My wheels are 15×7 +35 and the offset at the back is still not quite enough for me so I'll be getting the 13mm ones.
Here's a quote from PG when I contacted them on Facebook: "Note: since this is a small run and will have improved packaging price will be higher. Right now we're looking at $100usd for the set."

Add me to the list. I contact PG about a month ago ready to buy some and no one ever responded.

I tried to contact them by email but didn't get any reply so I contacted them directly on Facebook and luckily they responded.

Nice to see a group buy around these parts... It's been a while for sure! :thumbsup:

FYI: I'm not sure about newer Yaris models, but the 07 has a weird offset on the rear passenger-side hub. I believe it's 3mm but I'm sure CTScott has posted a precise measurement in another thread. I would be VERY interested in getting a single slimmer one to prevent the tyre from rubbing, since the 10" PG spacer I have on rubs a bit when there's more than one person in the car. BTW, I have 15x6.5" ET +38 wheels and 205/55/R15 tyres.

@Vitz_Q8: Please PM me to let me know about the details on this group buy (ie, will you be receiving all payments & items and shipping them later?)

TIA and best of luck!

So far this thread is to gauge the interest on the spacers. PG told me to make a list of everyone interested. Then we can pay them directly once they finalise the number of orders. Here are some quotes from our conversation: "I'll check to see if I can still get all the pieces I need. Previously we had to do at least 11. Are you looking for the 10mm or 13mm?", "Have them message or email me I'll start a list. Can't guarantee I can get it to happen since its been so long but I'll try. These all for the NCP91?"

I'm interested!

Great hopefully we can get it going.

[tmontague]

Then in that case i'm in for some 13mm. In my opinion these type of spacers are the safest/best type due to them moving the whole wheel bearing out not just the wheel.

Thanks for letting me know the fitment with your set up

[aspro]

I hope this happens. I never specified what size i need. So, if it matters i need 10mils. Thanks.

[Exiwolfman]

question , are the spacers behind the hub cos i have a set and only reason that i have not install is do to wheel bearing hub removal.
If you have higher km car that has seen many winters u will not remove the hubs with out damage, new rear hub bearings my cost non abs from toyota is 90 bucks each.

[Vitz_Q8]

here is a comparison of the fitment between the wheels they're 15x7 +35 the front are perfect but the rears still need spacers IMO:

Rear passenger side
http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=56029&stc=1&d=1445165062

Front passenger side
http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=56026&stc=1&d=1445165062

Rear driver side
http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=56027&stc=1&d=1445165062

Front driver side
http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=56028&stc=1&d=1445165062

[Banana Man]

I'm Interested also!

[aspro]

Bump!

[ITA]

I am interested in a 13 mm pair. Thanks.

[aspro]

Thats 5 people interested. How many people does PG need to get this running again? Come on people! Probably one of the best mods for the money you can do to this car.

[Supra_Yaris]

I am interested. Not sure if I would need the 10mm or 13mm. I am wanting my rims to sit flush, or near flush to the fender. While I have not bought any of the following, here are my plans.

Wheels: 16x9 +15 offset (same for front and rear)
Suspension: Megan Coilovers
Also looking to add about -3 degrees camber to the front and -5 to the rear.

[aspro]

I am interested. Not sure if I would need the 10mm or 13mm. I am wanting my rims to sit flush, or near flush to the fender. While I have not bought any of the following, here are my plans.

Wheels: 16x9 +15 offset (same for front and rear)
Suspension: Megan Coilovers
Also looking to add about -3 degrees camber to the front and -5 to the rear.

Probably a 10mm spacer woukd be best. Might rub on a 16×9 rim.


Ok so that is now 6 people who want a spacer.

[Supra_Yaris]

Probably a 10mm spacer woukd be best. Might rub on a 16×9 rim.


Ok so that is now 6 people who want a spacer.

Great! Thanks :thumbup:

[MUSKOKA800]

I've got a used set somewhere in my basement which I never got around to installing. 10mm if I recall.

[enviri]

i have 10mm spacers i took off a long time ago, since they dont work with rear disc brakes.. i dont have any bolts or anything, just the spacer itself.

[Vitz_Q8]

Sorry guys. I've been very busy these days hopefully it will be done by next week. for the minimum number of preorders required I'm not sure tbh. I'll contact PG and tell them to post in this thread just to give a more "official" that PG are behind this not some unknown guy posting on the internet.
You can see in the attachments the difference between the rear and front wheels my wheels are 15x7 +35
pictures in order are F-passenger>R-driver>F-driver>R-passenger

[aspro]

i have 10mm spacers i took off a long time ago, since they dont work with rear disc brakes.. i dont have any bolts or anything, just the spacer itself.

Pm sent

[Black_griffin6]

I already have a set on my Yaris, otherwise i'd totally be interested.
I wish you guys good luck though.

[ITA]

Sorry, I will have to retract my request. For some reason I thought these would work with my 2001 Echo. I didn't realize its only for the Yaris/xD. Sorry about that!

[aspro]

Remove me from the list. I couldnt wait for PG so i bought a used pair from a member. Thanks and good luck with this!

[aspro]

Hopefully i can find some time and install it quickly. I will post before and after pics to help those who are looking to do this.

[aspro]

I installed the 10mm spacers i bought used off of exiwolfman. Super easy install, had to put some elbow grease into removing the hub but she came out pretty easily on both sides. The 10 mm spacers i think are peeeerfect for my rim size (15×6.5 with 38 offset) worthy mod. Car feels more predictable when entering into the corner, just feels like there is more feedback and body roll has been reduced thanks to the wider stance. No rubbing so far and it looks awesome!

Driver side:
http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag374/metrixlp/20151103_193135_zpsa3qcwsby.jpg
http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag374/metrixlp/20151103_193130_zps1fu3hwio.jpg

Passenger side:
http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag374/metrixlp/20151103_193158_zpspartpm7x.jpg
http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag374/metrixlp/20151103_193151_zpsylqorhqq.jpg

Forgot to take before pics, i was too excited.

Enjoy!

[Exiwolfman]

I installed the 10mm spacers i bought used off of exiwolfman. Super easy install, had to put some elbow grease into removing the hub but she came out pretty easily on both sides. The 10 mm spacers i think are peeeerfect for my rim size (15×6.5 with 38 offset) worthy mod. Car feels more predictable when entering into the corner, just feels like there is more feedback and body roll has been reduced thanks to the wider stance. No rubbing so far and it looks awesome!

Driver side:
http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag374/metrixlp/20151103_193135_zpsa3qcwsby.jpg
http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag374/metrixlp/20151103_193130_zps1fu3hwio.jpg

Passenger side:
http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag374/metrixlp/20151103_193158_zpspartpm7x.jpg
http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag374/metrixlp/20151103_193151_zpsylqorhqq.jpg

Forgot to take before pics, i was too excited.

Enjoy!

Looks good glad u like the spacers ...i was to lazy to do it lol plus my 07 is little more crusty and would need new hubs with install.

[aspro]

Thanks! Well, my buddy helped me big time. He has a lift and almost every tool you could imagine. Which made things a lot easier.

[WeeYari]

No rubbing so far


Hit any dips yet on the 401 at speed?

I had to introduce camber washers when I was running 10mm spacers on 16x7 et 42 with 195 rubber to eliminate rear fender buzzing.


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[aspro]

Yes i have. And a few good sized pot holes. This set up will not rub... It is perfectly set.

[tmontague]

That is the exact same setup I want to run. Thanks for the pics and info regarding your set up. It's good to know it won't rub. I want to improve the stance but not have the headaches of rubbing tires. Just waiting to hear back from a member if he still has a set of spacers lying around.

Any updates on this group buy?

[aspro]

A little update. I had my car loaded with myself and 3 buddies. Avg weight per person was between 180 to 220 lbs, i.e the car was slammed to the ground. I had some light rubbing on the inside of the fender on The passenger side only when i hit big bumps. So im cool with that but i think a fender roll would cure that as it is touching by about 1 mm. But im not going to even bother with that.

[tmontague]

appreciate the update. That's not too bad with all that weight in your car. I don't plan on ever running that much weight in my Yaris. I have 10mm spacers I'm installing tomorrow with camber washers. They should pair nicely with my new rims that I'll put on next spring, they're 15x6.5 and +35 offset. I'll likely need to use the camber washers since my rims are 3mm wider than yours.

Please remove me from this group buy, I was able to pick up a pair of wahsers from "Muskoka" who was great enough to dig them up from his basement for me!

[tmontague]

Aspro, how'd you remove the hubs from the axle once the 4 bolts were removed?

I am trying to install mine now and they're stuck on tight

[WeeYari]

Aspro, how'd you remove the hubs from the axle once the 4 bolts were removed?

I am trying to install mine now and they're stuck on tight

Put your wheel back on and kick the crap out of the tire. Should eventually crack the union between hub and axle.

[aspro]

I used an air chizel and a prybar. If you dont have that then do what weeyari suggested. The weight of the wheel will help get some force generated and a good leverage point. Just be careful you dont ruin your hubs! And good luck!

[aspro]

Oh and drop some locktite around both sides of the spacer and around the threads of the new bolts before you bundle everything back up. I also took the time to clean up the brakes as well since i was in there. And be careful with the abs sensor it was a big pain in my ass when trying to seperate the plug. Clean those out as well before you reconnect. Just some preventative stuff that goes a long way.

[tmontague]

Thanks guys. Ended up getting it off w/ an air chisel, prybar and lots of PB blaster. I made sure I installed with anti seize.

Question now is how the heck would you remove the hub from the brake backing plate if you ever needed to replace the hub bearing?

My guess is remove the shoes and springs and us an a chisel? I couldn't believe how stuck on the hubs were.

I'm still on my stock rims as i'm not installing my new ones until the spring. I installed with one camber washer on each bottom bolt and i'm liking the look. Slight negative camber without looking ridiculous or causing excessive tire wear.

When I install my rims i'm going to run camber bolts upfront as well to match the rear and make more clearance for the +35 and 6.5 wide rims.

I'll post pics shortly

[WeeYari]

When I install my rims i'm going to run camber bolts upfront as well to match the rear and make more clearance for the +35 and 6.5 wide rims.


One of my sets of wheels were 17x7 +38 with 215 tires. Up front clearance was never an issue. Just an FYI.


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[tmontague]

^that's good to know, but after seeing Aspro's awesome wheel setup with a little rubbing with 3 other adults in the car I'm thinking I may have a little rubbing since I'll be 3mm wider. Mind you I'll be running stock 185 wide rubber until the tires run bare.

I never used locktite, just anti seize and I cleaned everything up with a wire wheel before installing. I just tested out the car going around the block and I don't know if it's all in my head but a big noticeable difference. It felt like my rear end was much more planted and stable. When I cut a corner sharp I didn't notice the rear end biting in as much as before. Wondering if this will reduce under steer a little with the negative camber and wider rear.

All pics are of the driver's rear.
https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xat1/v/t1.0-9/11988760_10153749115967743_5644808927607405768_n.j pg?oh=ebd90526781f25f4c084828915d397a7&oe=56ADCBDC

https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtf1/v/t1.0-9/12193840_10153749116092743_6492302708546150277_n.j pg?oh=b12072e9ba4755e0936355b1a31e24e5&oe=56F1C09B

https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/v/t1.0-9/12208549_10153749116132743_8254454296627693257_n.j pg?oh=fcf4854eed6b844d78d32e6d8123017b&oe=56AC17BD

https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/12193824_10153749116187743_4326342110104952418_n.j pg?oh=cbe2e55de5bd729e6436664e05c8319b&oe=56C357E5

[WeeYari]

Although aspro wasn't exactly clear, I suspect his rubbing occurred right rear which is exactly where I knew he would given enough load and spring compression.


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[aspro]

Yep, passenger side. I didnt say rear in my original post because i thought everyone would assume im talking about the rear. I think i read in the original pg thread to expect one side to stick out more than the other based on the position of the axle to the body from the factory. This is true. You cant really notice it though unless you really take an eye to it.

[aspro]

Car looks good man! And it is true, you do feel a slight change in the behaviour of the car. You are widening its foot print which gives you that more planted feel. For me it was more of a feedback thing. I feel like i can better predict the cars behaviour going in and out of a corner at high speeds and it handles the body roll better now. Cant wait to see your setup with the new shoes come spring time.

[tmontague]

Thanks man once I get the rims on it i'll upload some pics of my full set up with the interior and all.

Most of my mods have been focused on performance as opposed to appearance, but rims with a better stance make the Yaris a much better looking car. O and the retrofits help a lot as well

[Vitz_Q8]

Thanks a lot guys for the pictures and the comments. Unfortunately I don't think we can reach enough number for a production run. What I'll try to do is to make a CAD design of the spacers then make it available for everyone to use here if the admins in the forum don't mind. I did this preliminary design, I'll try to change it a bit to avoid similarity with PG's design and will 3d print it, test the fitment then share it here for everyone. hopefully I'll be done with it within two weeks or so due to my very busy schedule. I'll keep you guys updated.

[4x4Dragon]

Dang:( I just returned to the Yaris family after having sold my 07.(sold this past spring and got a '15 Kia Forte5...just traded it in on a 2010 Yaris today). Anyways, sad to see MI closed down and now no availability for the hub spacers :(