Old echo toyota owner...

[ericlp]

Thinking about upgrading to a yaris soon. the 01, has driven many faithful miles. But, my goal would be to get something newer like at least an 2010-12 car... With about 30-60K miles on it is my goal.

My 01 still is reporting 42-44MPG (to me anything over 40 is awesome) so, I'd like to keep it that way.

What model yaris should I be thinking about getting or does it very on car? I heard that the yaris is still using the same 1.5 VVT-i from echo? I find it funny, I go to all the the auto MPG places and a lot post mid 30's? Is that all expected or do most drives just jack rabbit / traffic and ac on 24/7? Dunno, find it hard to believe.

I'm thinking with gas back down under 2 bucks a gallon a lot of small car owners are thinking the prices of gas might stick, and I can get a deal on a yaris. :) Since the major selling point was 4 dollar gas and great MPG.

I'm not holding out that this 2 dollar gas especially when hillary gets in as a president is gonna hold for that long. Then all those fools will be kicking themselves when it does start creeping back up...

I bought my car 5-6 years ago with 70K on the dial, and it pretty much gave me over 40MPG at the time the owner handed me the keys. Of course I changed out the tires 4 years ago and keep them at around 38PSI, plus clean the MAF, air box, etc...etc... to keep my 44MPG.

Do yaris's pretty much keep 38-40 right out of the box without just the recommended basic maintenance? Rather not get a prius. I heard that the new honda civic is easily getting 40MPG and is a fine ride. Tho rather stick with toyota and buy something used in the 7-9K market.

Thanks all that reply!

[Kalispel]

I've been averaging (according to the dash computer) a tad bit over 40 MPG for the 6 months that I have owned my Yaris thus far. Not bad, considering that is "around town" city/suburb type driving mostly, with just short jaunts onto the highway here and there to hop down a few exits quickly. I never get stuck in gridlock stop-and-go traffic though or anything like that, thank goodness - which would be extra-annoying driving a manual.

Good luck on your Yaris journey.

[BLKHILLSGUY]

On my 15 SE I'm averaging 37 mpg currently. And on another note, we don't discuss politics on this board.

[matti]

My 2012 Yaris L (5MT) gets 40-42 mpg pretty easily during the warmer months. If I drive a bit more carefully, I can get 45+mpg.

In the winter, however, it drops down to about 35 mpg or so.

[bronsin]

Any year and model Yaris is a good car. Whatever strikes your fancy is fine.

However I've owned both echo and Yaris and the echoes the better of the two IME. All echoes are built in Japan and the same CANNOT be said for all Yari.

My 250,000 miles on echoes were flawless while my Yaris has blown a waterpupm and an oil pressure sensor in only 40,000.

Not good!

Unless the echo is in the shop a lot stick with it I say.

[invader166]

Any year and model Yaris is a good car. Whatever strikes your fancy is fine.

However I've owned both echo and Yaris and the echoes the better of the two IME. All echoes are built in Japan and the same CANNOT be said for all Yari.

I second that! I still get roughly 37 mpg on '09, which is surprizing, since I tend to abuse my car with WOT pulls on a regular basis.

If you do decide to get a newer model Yaris, i suggest looking for a japanese built unit. They're generally reported as a better build quality and tend to not have as many issues. The easiest way to tell is to look at the VIN. If it starts with a "J", then the country of origin is Japan.

In all honesty though, definitly keep the Echo, it's an amazing little car that just doesn't seem to wanna die. :laugh:

[toad]

I second that! I still get roughly 37 mpg on '09, which is surprizing, since I tend to abuse my car with WOT pulls on a regular basis.

If you do decide to get a newer model Yaris, i suggest looking for a japanese built unit. They're generally reported as a better build quality and tend to not have as many issues. The easiest way to tell is to look at the VIN. If it starts with a "J", then the country of origin is Japan.

In all honesty though, definitly keep the Echo, it's an amazing little car that just doesn't seem to wanna die. :laugh:

i second your second!:smile: i also own both and i find myself liking the echo more and more each day. my 01 has around 130k now and i purchased it with 117k. i also had an 08(yaris) that was a stick and i'm not sure why, but the echo feels more responsive? maybe it's lighter weight or drive-by-cable instead of drive-by-wire, but there's something about it that feels more 'zippy':iono:.

now i have an 07 auto and the 01 manual and i DEFINATELY prefer the echo over the yaris. the echo has a slightly stranger look to it, but i like the fact that it's an old toyota that keeps on kickin'! i would just keep the echo until the wheels fall off, but maybe you're right about getting a great deal right now on a later model.

good luck!

[IllusionX]

The echo is lighter. So expect the Yaris to take more fuel. The slightly shorter final drive on the Yaris takes its share on fuel economy.

My avg, city only is 32mpg. But I don't hypermile for the short distance I drive to get to work.

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[02echo]

Ericip, im in the same boat with a mint 02 echo getting amazing mileage, but really like the 2012 SE's and even the brand new SE models due to their modern creature comforts. Im just afraid of loosing the fuel mileage and reliability.

[BLKHILLSGUY]

I've owned an Echo and two Yaris hatchbacks. They are both good. I much prefer a hatchback, so the Yaris is better for me. I don't think their is much difference in reliability between the two either. The only problem I've ever heard about a Yaris is a water pump. The perception of greater quality is just that, perception. They are both extremely reliable. The Yaris is probably Toyota's most reliable vehicle in their lineup. Longtermqualityindex.com shares all the data.

[bentjazz]

Actually, we do discuss politics on this board. That's what the off topic section is for. All comments on Uncle Fester (HRC) are welcome there....

[bronsin]

Actually, we do discuss politics on this board. That's what the off topic section is for. All comments on Uncle Fester (HRC) are welcome there....


Actually a mod shot down my What About Trump post saying politics is verboten here although it took about six months.

Too bad but I guess there are those who can't control themselves.

[Kar98]

Anyway... my '07 hatchback with now 133k miles on the clock gets consistent 34 mpg in the city and god knows what on the highway. And I've got my annual speeding ticket yesterday morning, 66 in a 45. F.T.P.

[bentjazz]

Bronsin, I thought your Trump thread injected some needed life into this forum. If politics are a no-no even in the Everything else discussion section, then they should define it as such. Perhaps a "Everything else discussion (excluding politics)" header would suffice. Otherwise, everything else means everything else. I, myself, will talk about what I want to talk about in the Everything else section when I want to talk about it. I'm not a child. I don't like being told what to say. Kick me out of this forum for caring about a bit of liberty and freedom of expression this Saturday morning. I don't care....





Actually a mod shot down my What About Trump post saying politics is verboten here although it took about six months.

Too bad but I guess there are those who can't control themselves.

[bronsin]

Well...

This forum isVERY valuable to me for my Yaris so....I'm going to respect the wishes of the mods. Who knows what problems talking politics causes them?
:iono:

I do agree with you it takes away something when they canned What About Trump. But I have a feeling if you read the fine print of the agreement when you registered that politics is a no no.

I feel I can behave myself and have a respectful discussion and respect the opinions of others so it's a shame but...it is what it is!

Please hang out with us and don't leave. I like your posts!

[BLKHILLSGUY]

Follow the rules and quit whining. You don't like the rules, you know what to do.

[bentjazz]

BLKHILLSGUY, do not pretend that you have any authority to tell me what to do. Not here, not anywhere, not ever.

[junorico24]

Not sure why but every time i am along side an Echo and we're driving etc maybe because of it's lighter weight the ECHO has more go than my Yaris.Is the ECHO more responsive? maybe because it has a cable throttle not drive by wire. The Yaris needs a 1.8 ltr unit in it IMO. The 1.3 and 1.5 is perfect for the ECHO.

[Bluevitz-rs]

Not sure why but every time i am along side an Echo and we're driving etc maybe because of it's lighter weight the ECHO has more go than my Yaris.Is the ECHO more responsive? maybe because it has a cable throttle not drive by wire. The Yaris needs a 1.8 ltr unit in it IMO. The 1.3 and 1.5 is perfect for the ECHO.

Yes stock for stock the Echo was the better performing car. But the Yaris has a much more luxurious interior.

[BLKHILLSGUY]

BLKHILLSGUY, do not pretend that you have any authority to tell me what to do. Not here, not anywhere, not ever.

Hurry, somebody call the wahaaaaambulance.

[yul b. nekst]

56738

I am SOOOOO hoping this brand, spanking new 2015 (can't sell the manual, I guess) Yaris treats me well!!! My 2002 Echo gave a little more than 325k, before a leaking gas tank made me put her down. I then went last year and bought a 2015 Jeep Patriot:thumbdown:. Actually had it built for me. What a POS!! Traded (up, I hope) for this new Yaris because I'm hoping I get the life, reliability and mpg's my Echo gave me. My Echo gave me upper 30's in the winter and upper 40's in the summer. So far, with the 5 speed manual, I'm getting mid to upper 30's for mpg! Of course there's less than 1000 miles on it, but it can only get better, right?:burnrubber:

[bentjazz]

Good luck, yul b. nekst. I wish you well. I've had my Yaris since Dec. 2010, and zero problems, thus far. Around 53,000 miles. I can only hope that my Yaris lasts as long as your Echo. My goal for my Yaris is 300,000 miles, actually. Any thing after that, gravy. By the way, I love those old Echos.....

[BLKHILLSGUY]

56738

I am SOOOOO hoping this brand, spanking new 2015 (can't sell the manual, I guess) Yaris treats me well!!! My 2002 Echo gave a little more than 325k, before a leaking gas tank made me put her down. I then went last year and bought a 2015 Jeep Patriot:thumbdown:. Actually had it built for me. What a POS!! Traded (up, I hope) for this new Yaris because I'm hoping I get the life, reliability and mpg's my Echo gave me. My Echo gave me upper 30's in the winter and upper 40's in the summer. So far, with the 5 speed manual, I'm getting mid to upper 30's for mpg! Of course there's less than 1000 miles on it, but it can only get better, right?:burnrubber:

Welcome with your new Yaris. I had an Echo, as did my brother. Good cars. Lighter than the Yaris so it's got slightly better gas mileage. But it felt "cheaper" too. The Yaris feels more solid to me. And I've had an 11 Yaris and currently drive a 15 Yaris SE. I'm averaging 38 to 39 mpg in winter here in S Dakota. Not too bad at all. In the summer I got about 40. I have a manual transmission. It seems to get better mileage when I push it a little harder. The 15 Yaris SE is much more comfortable than my Echo or 11 Yaris. And sorry about your Jeep. They have really shoddy build quality, although I do love the looks of the Wrangler. But I could never buy a Fiat/Chrysler/Jeep for the reliability alone. Let us know how you like your Yaris.

[rabbito]

stock i got about 350~400km full tank (42liter) sometimes 300~350km..which sucks balls with high fuel price of 91 in thailand..now my car has E85 fuel conversion with header, exhaust system etc..i get about 300~350km full tank..i drive like a maniac and im satisfied with the fuel consumption

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[tarkus]

Here's my tale of three cars.

I had a 2004 Echo RS hatchback and it was the most fun car I ever had. I put a performance exhaust on it, and got better fuel economy as well as noticably better performance. Then it got side-swiped by great big rusty old Mercedez on Boxing Day, and written off. :-( The damage wasn't that huge, but insurance didn't want to repair the car based on its current book price. It really says something about the that little car's build, that it could take a hit from such a big car and have so little real damage.

So then the insurance gave me a 2015/2016 Yaris hatchback rental car. I did not like it! It was considerably bigger and heavier, and with the 1.8 lire engine felt a lot like my wife's Camry to drive. Not fun. And the dashboard was a big boxy thing that looked like it came out of a 1970s pickup truck or Volvo, lacking all the useful storage compartments of the Echo and earlier Yarii. The radiator grill also has a huge whale mouth look, which is darnn fugly. And these cars are half Mazda. I never want to buy one.

Thankfully, I managed to buy a 2006 Yaris RS hatchback. It feels way more like the Echo, but has a nicer interior and some neat options. The dashboard looks kind of sci-fi'ish and has even more neat little compartments. To me it honestly feels very little different than my Echo RS. I'm happy again with my fun car. :D Now let the performance mods begin!

[honegod]

Am sitting in my 02 Echo on break @ work. Stock 1.5, rear sway, kyb struts & shocks , Pirelli P4 185 on stock steel rims.
My major snivel is the auto tranny. Way slow on gear changes.big pause in response to throttle input. Anj upgrade wouls be sweet. LOVE it otherwise.

[tarkus]

My major snivel is the auto tranny. Way slow on gear changes.big pause in response to throttle input. Anj upgrade wouls be sweet. LOVE it otherwise.

I've gotten used to manually switching down a gear, rather than waiting for kickdown to kick in. Putting in a performance muffler also improved low end power, so I didn't need to gear down so often.

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[BLKHILLSGUY]

Here's my tale of three cars.

I had a 2004 Echo RS hatchback and it was the most fun car I ever had. I put a performance exhaust on it, and got better fuel economy as well as noticably better performance. Then it got side-swiped by great big rusty old Mercedez on Boxing Day, and written off. :-( The damage wasn't that huge, but insurance didn't want to repair the car based on its current book price. It really says something about the that little car's build, that it could take a hit from such a big car and have so little real damage.

So then the insurance gave me a 2015/2016 Yaris hatchback rental car. I did not like it! It was considerably bigger and heavier, and with the 1.8 lire engine felt a lot like my wife's Camry to drive. Not fun. And the dashboard was a big boxy thing that looked like it came out of a 1970s pickup truck or Volvo, lacking all the useful storage compartments of the Echo and earlier Yarii. The radiator grill also has a huge whale mouth look, which is darnn fugly. And these cars are half Mazda. I never want to buy one.

Thankfully, I managed to buy a 2006 Yaris RS hatchback. It feels way more like the Echo, but has a nicer interior and some neat options. The dashboard looks kind of sci-fi'ish and has even more neat little compartments. To me it honestly feels very little different than my Echo RS. I'm happy again with my fun car. :D Now let the performance mods begin!

Sounds like you were driving the Mazda 2. We are still driving a Toyota made Yaris in the US until 17. The new Mazda 2 Yaris is not attractive.

[rabbito]

I've gotten used to manually switching down a gear, rather than waiting for kickdown to kick in. Putting in a performance muffler also improved low end power, so I didn't need to gear down so often.

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yes! i down shift on my auto too..finally i see somebody who actually use their gears... [emoji16]

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[tarkus]

Sounds like you were driving the Mazda 2. We are still driving a Toyota made Yaris in the US until 17. The new Mazda 2 Yaris is not attractive.
So maybe Toyota is selling a different Yaris over here north of the border? I have seen a few Mazda 2s over here, which apparently they don't yet have in the US. Does the current 2016 Yaris in the US still have the nicely angled dash with all the handy flip-open compartments, and not that big ugly box? Also, the Yaris in this thread also appears to have the big whale mouth grille, like my rented one - http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?p=778321#post778321 I'm somewhat confused at this point, but still convinced that I like the 2nd gen Yaris the best.

yes! i down shift on my auto too..finally i see somebody who actually use their gears... [emoji16]
I used to mainly drive manual in the past. I also go into neutral at lights or when cruising downhill :-)

[BLKHILLSGUY]

The 16 Yaris in Canada is a Mazda 2. The 3rd generation Toyota made Yaris hatchback is still sold in the US. It was updated in 15. In 17 it will likely disappear, and it if does reappear it will be the Mazda 2. Gas is cheap, and people aren't buying small cars. I am so glad I got my 15 Yaris SE. It is much nicer than my 11 Yaris. The interior is very much improved. Same engine and 4 speed auto. They did add a new clutch in the 15/16 revision. It is made entirely in France and also designed there. It looks like a European car. I love my 15 SE. I also bought the 5 speed. I don't care for automatics that much. That's why I sold my 13 Avalon Limited. It was a boring automatic.

[IllusionX]

Sounds like you were driving the Mazda 2. We are still driving a Toyota made Yaris in the US until 17. The new Mazda 2 Yaris is not attractive.
The new Yaris still doesn't have a 1.8 engine. It has the same old 17years old 1nz-fe...

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[yul b. nekst]

Got about 3k on the new '15 with the 5 speed manual, and I hit 40 mpg twice, but I'm averaging about 37/38. I'm hoping the warmer weather kicks it up a bit. Funny thing about my Echo that no one could explain, I actually got better gas mileage with the A/C on!! So far, so good! This sure beats the stuffing out of my POS Patriot I traded it in for!! I shouldn't have to worry about the tranny going in the first year I'll bet!!

[bronsin]

The new Yaris still doesn't have a 1.8 engine. It has the same old 17years old 1nz-fe...

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Good! And it will have the same one another 17 years from now if all goes well! :thumbsup:

Although I would maybe buy another one if they come out with the 1.0 liter. :biggrin:

[cparker]

The Consumer Reports buying guide shows the 2012 Yaris as much better than average in reliability .Electrical is better than average. Climate system is better than average. Body integrity is average. All other components like engine, transmission, cooling system show MUCH better than average. They get data from consumer surveys. They don't show all years if they don't get enough data. They didn't get enough data for years 2011 , 2013 , and 2014. I don't imagine there would be much difference. But the 2009 showed worse than average in minor engine repairs, like oil leaks , belts, engine mounts etc.. Much worse than average with paint and trim. Worse than average with body integrity. The highway mileage of 36 mpg is an EPA figure and If I'm not mistaken, it's probably combined city and highway mpg. If you keep your hwy. speed at 65 mph or below you should have little trouble getting at least 40 mpg . That's also assuming you accelerate gently.

[Brunno One]

A friend of mine has a 2001 TOYOTA Echo with over 330,000 miles on it.
Little car has been reliable, but the engine is giving-up (lack of proper maintainance)

I told him about swapping-in a newer (young) 1.5L 1NZ-FE engine out of a 2013-2015 Yaris found at the local Junkyard.

I was told I got to keep the Echo's cable throttle system because the Yaris use an electronic throttle.

[Dodge Aries K]

I have very fond memories of the 2002 Echo sedan I had. My dad still drives it and it's been a great car. I think it has 210,000 miles on it now.

If you like your Echo, find a 07-12 Yaris sedan. It's basically a slightly newer version of what you're used to and I really really like mine. Mine is an autotragic, find one with a stick and you should be good.

As for the newer model, my 2014 gets beaten all over Chicago carrying passengers and I usually average 31 MPG. Keep in mind, however, that this includes all sorts of unfavorable conditions. Jack rabbit starts, flying across intersections, lots of sitting and idling, general taxi like abuse, and so forth. It's an automatic because forget using a clutch for a long 20 hour day in constant traffic. So far, besides some ridiculous build quality concerns on the interior, it's been a very good car.

[thebarber]

Those echos, though