More Consumer Reports Distortions/Lies

[Kalispel]

Take a look at number 7 on this list, lol.

http://www.cheatsheet.com/automobiles/careful-these-10-cars-look-nice-but-theyre-made-cheap.html/?ref=YF

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http://www.cheatsheet.com/automobiles/careful-these-10-cars-look-nice-but-theyre-made-cheap.html/8/

[yougojay]

Oh these critics are so clueless. I had several cars in mind and I went to forums to see what people were saying about each of them. In 7 days it will be 3 years to the day that I picked up my 2013 Yaris L ...4-11-2013. It has 13,800 or so miles one it, I have loved every minute of driving it. It is awesome to me. I want to buy another one!

[Kalispel]

Oh these critics are so clueless. I had several cars in mind and I went to forums to see what people were saying about each of them. In 7 days it will be 3 years to the day that I picked up my 2013 Yaris L ...4-11-2013. It has 13,800 or so miles one it, I have loved every minute of driving it. It is awesome to me. I want to buy another one!

Wow, ~14K in 3 years is nice. I've had my 2015 for 9 months or so now and I am already a bit over 8K. I average about 240 miles driven per week.

[tarkus]

Take a look at number 7 on this list, lol.

http://www.cheatsheet.com/automobiles/careful-these-10-cars-look-nice-but-theyre-made-cheap.html/?ref=YF
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http://www.cheatsheet.com/automobiles/careful-these-10-cars-look-nice-but-theyre-made-cheap.html/8/
He just throws out an opinion without giving any reasons or facts to explain that opinion. A total waste of space.

[yougojay]

I agree with Tarkus! I can't believe some of these idiots get paid for what they are doing. Yes, my Yar Yar has really low miles, I have a job now that I only put on 50 miles a week to and from. It will be a total old man car in 10 years!! (especially since I'm turning 55 this Saturday, LOL) I Love It! Been changing the oil every 6 months (warranty) May go to once a year (every April 9th!) or keep the twice a year schedule. Oil & filters are so cheap, and it's fun to do. The car has performed flawlessly, it has been the neatest new car experience for me ever. Put on a TRD Rear Sway a year or so ago, BIG difference, LOVE it. Never drive it hard, but it gets a good run at 55-60 miles an hour up Route 321 by my home. The ECO light is always on, Lol! Been averaging 35 mpg, mostly 35-45 mph driving. I just love this little bugger.....

[cparker]

I believe Consumer Reports is useful in picking reliable cars. I wouldn't have picked a Yaris if I didn't know the reliability beforehand. I don't agree with their low road test score for this model. It's not meant to be a high performing sports car, luxury car, SUV ,like the ones they usually test . But they have steered me clear of cars that I was interested in that turn out to be unreliable.

[bronsin]

Yes they do point out losers.

Which makes their opinion of Yaris puzzling.

[Kalispel]

Yes they do point out losers.

Which makes their opinion of Yaris puzzling.

The Yaris is an easy car to pick on, and some outlets seem to believe that relative consumer demand/buzz (or lack thereof) is an indication of quality and/or craftmanship.

[bronsin]

The Yaris is an easy car to pick on, and some outlets seem to believe that relative consumer demand/buzz (or lack thereof) is an indication of quality and/or craftmanship.

I think they over value "style" and "ego trip" and "performance" just like the public does.

[justanotherdrunk]

CR is right - I hate my Yaris

piece o junk

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[Kalispel]

It doesn't have bleeding-edge automotive technology or all those new 'safety-features-for-idiots' - so it must be a cheap piece of junk. CR logic.

[Captain Yaris]

It doesn't have bleeding-edge automotive technology or all those new 'safety-features-for-idiots' - so it must be a cheap piece of junk. CR logic.

I agree with your point. Reference my post on the other thread about self-driving vehicles. One of the thing I enjoy about the car, is it's simplistic approach. Consumer Reports might speak to the mainstream opinion, which is a sad state of affairs for our country. If we look at where our country was when the Model T was mass produced and now, it's a stark contrast. Henry Ford's concept was a cheap simple vehicle for everyone (It even came in just one color: black). Now we see how many computers we can stuff into the vehicle and the price balloons, and I'm not just talking about the initial price. To keep supporting/fixing all of those computers is going to cost a lot of money. What happens when credit runs out and we can't just finance or lease $60,000? What happens when you're stuck with the car you purchased because your credit won't buy you that new self-driving vehicle. What if you can't afford the insurance? No thanks! I'll take my wheel, three pedals, and stick. Just my humble opinion.

[kimona]

It doesn't have bleeding-edge automotive technology or all those new 'safety-features-for-idiots' - so it must be a cheap piece of junk. CR logic.

Well stated.

[BLKHILLSGUY]

It's crazy because when the Yaris was first reviewed and for several years thereafter the Yaris was highly ranked and recommended by CR. I think their reliability is still valid, HOWEVER I don't put much into their own personal SUBJECTIVE views on the vehicles they test. I'll test drive them and make my own decision, like the grown adult I am. They have really down the toilet lately. Every since they rated our LG washer as top rated and that thing has been the biggest POS. And I wanted a Whirlpool, but peace was more important so I gave in. And then they ranked the Ninja blender as high as the $500 Vita-mix which I do own. The Vita-mix will last 30 yrs versus a couple of years with the Ninja. And I love my 15 Yaris SE manual. I like it better than the two Fits I had, one which wasn't the great of quality like most new Hondas. And they praise and go gaga ape shiite over the Honda Fit. I don't see it.

[NYC-SE]

You have to remember that a big part of their ratings are based on subjective factors, (they freely admit this BTW) and that is where a lot of these arguments start. I do pay attention to CR's subjective opinions (as I do for the opinions of Car and Driver, Motor Trend, online reviewers, etc.) but CR's real value is in their objective data, i.e. reliability statistics and owner satisfaction surveys. The Yaris does better when judged solely on this criteria.

In the current April Auto Issue of CR EVERY Toyota and Lexus vehicle had excellent or very good reliability ratings. (The Yaris had an excellent rating.) As for owner satisfaction there were no negative ratings. (The Yaris had a neutral rating, which was the lowest of any Toyota product.)

They also have test results such as acceleration, braking, accident avoidance maneuvers. These results are in line with their recommended subcompacts (Fit, Versa Note).

So it seems a large part of their final rating is attributable to subjective criteria. You know what they say about opinions...everybody has one.

[tarkus]

....it seems a large part of their final rating is attributable to subjective criteria.
In the article quoted in this thread, there's no factual information at all, and just some subjective criticisms with nothing to back then up. It reminds me of some film critics who trash talk a movie that everyone else raves about, and packs the movie theatres.



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[yougojay]

It doesn't have bleeding-edge automotive technology or all those new 'safety-features-for-idiots' - so it must be a cheap piece of junk. CR logic.
Exactly - More things in a vehicle - More to go wrong. I trust the reliability of the Yaris over ANY of the old "Big 3" manufacturers and most foreign manufacturers, also.

[Nozomi135]

Ditto on the reliability! I drive a 2007 LE hatchback with the 1.5 1NZ-FE, almost 124000KM on it up to now, yes, material quality isn't the best, isn't the most cozy car, my only gripe is that it lacks A/C for the summer (Oh well, roll down the window! :P )but it does exactly what it was built to do, heck, my father and his 2014 Civic (Loaded with tons of creature comforts) is more fond of my little Yaris, which cost me $5000 than his $30000 car! It gets me where I need to go, reliably and super efficiently. For a 9 year old car, still runs perfectly and never had any serious problems with it up to now, only done basic preventative maintenance and upkeep. I've had such a great experience with it that I'd be reluctant to sell it for anything, planning on keeping it as a reliable daily driver, considering a Celica GT-Four ST205 that my buddy is trying to sell, would make a good side car! I'll take my old, basic Yaris, without stability, traction control and ABS over any fancy, complicated Dodge, Ford or GM product any day of the week!

[tarkus]

Ditto on the reliability! I drive a 2007 LE hatchback with the 1.5 1NZ-FE, almost 124000KM on it up to now, yes, material quality isn't the best, isn't the most cozy car, my only gripe is that it lacks A/C for the summer (Oh well, roll down the window![emoji14])but it does exactly what it was built to do... For a 9 year old car, still runs perfectly and never had any serious problems with it up to now, only done basic preventative maintenance and upkeep. I've had such a great experience with it that I'd be reluctant to sell it for anything, planning on keeping it as a reliable daily driver... I'll take my old, basic Yaris, without stability, traction control and ABS...
The lack of coziness and other options is more about the fact you're driving a base model. I'm on my 2nd RS now, and love the extra goodies. What's really best about these cars, and what they all have in common, is the great, fun driving experience and bullet-proof reliability.

[Nozomi135]

The lack of coziness and other options is more about the fact you're driving a base model. I'm on my 2nd RS now, and love the extra goodies. What's really best about these cars, and what they all have in common, is the great, fun driving experience and bullet-proof reliability.

Even as a base model, I have to say that I'm very pleased with it, comforts like A/C would be fantastic but I still love it! Don't see many RS trims around where I live, seen a few around my city, would love to get my hands on one sometime! Spot on with the driving experience and reliability, know folks with Echo/Yaris' around pushing 500000-600000KM and still going strong, I can say without a shred of doubt that I'd happily buy another! :biggrin:

[Justhandguns]

You have to remember that a big part of their ratings are based on subjective factors, (they freely admit this BTW) and that is where a lot of these arguments start. I do pay attention to CR's subjective opinions (as I do for the opinions of Car and Driver, Motor Trend, online reviewers, etc.) but CR's real value is in their objective data, i.e. reliability statistics and owner satisfaction surveys. The Yaris does better when judged solely on this criteria.

In the current April Auto Issue of CR EVERY Toyota and Lexus vehicle had excellent or very good reliability ratings. (The Yaris had an excellent rating.) As for owner satisfaction there were no negative ratings. (The Yaris had a neutral rating, which was the lowest of any Toyota product.)

They also have test results such as acceleration, braking, accident avoidance maneuvers. These results are in line with their recommended subcompacts (Fit, Versa Note).

So it seems a large part of their final rating is attributable to subjective criteria. You know what they say about opinions...everybody has one.

New to here, just got my brand new UK Yaris Icon 1.33 CVT. It is a bit sad that this gen3 facelift Yaris gets some negative reviews all around the world (yes, UK as well). What did they complain about? Same chassis? No stark updates? Yes, it is not an exciting hot hatch, but what I am looking for is reliability, economy and comfort, otherwise I would have got something like a Fiesta ST or a Polo GTi, wouldn't I?

The choice was obvious for me here, 5yrs warranty, cheap insurance, cheap servicing, one of the closest dealers to my home other than Peugeot etc etc. A lot of the car reviews these days are becoming very peripheral, they want the car to have a sporty handling, power engines, and yet, >50mpg efficiency, comfy and quiet ride with extra leg room at the back, with a 10inch ipad stuck on the dash which controls everything? What a joke!

Anyway, I am still enjoying my new car.

[texascolt45]

my 2015 is about to roll 15,000 since august.can't say enough about the little car.mines a base L with an automatic.

[YarTed]

Ditto, feels like a really well put together car and am totally enjoying my 2015. Just hit 28,000 KM's .

[bentjazz]

I have to agree with you on the Vita-mix. Great machine. I bought mine via the Certified Reconditioned program. I bought the Professional Series 500 model and the thing looks brand new and functions as such. From what I understand, the Reconditioned program resells Vita-mix blenders that have been returned within the risk free in-home 30 day trial, or blenders that have been used via demonstrations at Costco, or what not. They cannot resell these blenders as new. So, I saved a couple hundred dollars by going with the Reconditioned program for a blender that is essentially new with a 5 year warranty. The fact that CR would rank the Ninja alongside a Vita-mix blender tells me all I need to know about CR. I've used Ninja, Blendtec, and Vita-mix. Vita-mix blenders are hands down the best blenders I've used.







It's crazy because when the Yaris was first reviewed and for several years thereafter the Yaris was highly ranked and recommended by CR. I think their reliability is still valid, HOWEVER I don't put much into their own personal SUBJECTIVE views on the vehicles they test. I'll test drive them and make my own decision, like the grown adult I am. They have really down the toilet lately. Every since they rated our LG washer as top rated and that thing has been the biggest POS. And I wanted a Whirlpool, but peace was more important so I gave in. And then they ranked the Ninja blender as high as the $500 Vita-mix which I do own. The Vita-mix will last 30 yrs versus a couple of years with the Ninja. And I love my 15 Yaris SE manual. I like it better than the two Fits I had, one which wasn't the great of quality like most new Hondas. And they praise and go gaga ape shiite over the Honda Fit. I don't see it.

[tarkus]

I'm thinking of putting a cold air intake on my Vitamix

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[WeeYari]

Consumer Reports product reviews have always been based on what the market wants or expects at a given point in time. If a reviewed product has the features the public wants at a price point which gives the perception of value for the money, then it is highly rated. After all, the bulk of the consuming public makes decisions based on a combination of heart and wallet.

The only valid CR publications imo are the reliability reports. This is were the rubber hits the road with hard data, not the subjectivity of a handful of testers and analysts.

(waits for the next CR thread to start up so can read all the same old, same old on here again...)

[bentjazz]

Post some pics of that sucker, tarkus.