Wheel bolts too short for lug nut to grab AKA the Wheel Ordeal

[ebaut]

Hello all. I bought set of Aftermarket 17" wheels for my 09 hatchback off of Kijiji. I took the car to a friend's house, jacked up put the tires on realized the stock bolts weren't gonna work. It was late so we called a night, put the steelies and the snow tires back on.

So next day, I head over to Canadian Tire and they tell me I need the Toyota Aluminum wheels lug nuts which they have for $60. So i bought them but since i had the wheel in the back, i did a quick fit test and realized they weren't gonna work either. So i run back in and the attendant tells me I need spline lug nuts. so i grabbed those.

I get back to my friends we jack up the car up again and realized that yes the spline nuts do go in deeper, i can only grab about a turn and a half. So i go back to Canadian TIre and they tell me i need "tuner" lug nuts from macgard for $110 bucks. Well these did not work either same thing as the spline they go in but only grab about a turn and a half.

Has anyone ran into this issue before? The holes on the wheels have a taper so any of these lug nuts I've tried can only go in so far.. :mad: :confused:

Could this be the solution?

http://www.brandsport.com/grla-21138etxl.html

Many thanks in advance for your help =)

[Exiwolfman]

Hello all. I bought set of Aftermarket 17" wheels for my 09 hatchback off of Kijiji. I took the car to a friend's house, jacked up put the tires on realized the stock bolts weren't gonna work. It was late so we called a night, put the steelies and the snow tires back on.

So next day, I head over to Canadian Tire and they tell me I need the Toyota Aluminum wheels lug nuts which they have for $60. So i bought them but since i had the wheel in the back, i did a quick fit test and realized they weren't gonna work either. So i run back in and the attendant tells me I need spline lug nuts. so i grabbed those.

I get back to my friends we jack up the car up again and realized that yes the spline nuts do go in deeper, i can only grab about a turn and a half. So i go back to Canadian TIre and they tell me i need "tuner" lug nuts from macgard for $110 bucks. Well these did not work either same thing as the spline they go in but only grab about a turn and a half.

Has anyone ran into this issue before? The holes on the wheels have a taper so any of these lug nuts I've tried can only go in so far.. :mad: :confused:

Could this be the solution?

http://www.brandsport.com/grla-21138etxl.html

Many thanks in advance for your help =)
make and pic of ur new wheels would help

[ebaut]

They were sold to me as Tenzo' not sure if they are.

They're 17x7 ET42

Here's a pic.

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n271/tribi9/tribi9089/IMG_20160619_180926_HDR_zps0o8i6atx.jpg (http://s114.photobucket.com/user/tribi9/media/tribi9089/IMG_20160619_180926_HDR_zps0o8i6atx.jpg.html)

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n271/tribi9/tribi9089/IMG_20160619_180942_HDR_zpsjebqlnfa.jpg (http://s114.photobucket.com/user/tribi9/media/tribi9089/IMG_20160619_180942_HDR_zpsjebqlnfa.jpg.html)

[Exiwolfman]

You just need tuner lugs, possibly the once with allenkey style or spline.
Plus what is the hub bore Yaris is 54.1 so Ull need hub rings.

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[Exiwolfman]

5726157262

I use the black spline but for ur application the silver in pic should work.

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[ebaut]

Tried those black ones. Didn't work. They only grab about a turn and a half.

[Exiwolfman]

Did u get the right 12x1.5 pitch cos I really see no reason for the silver once not to work the black might be to wide.


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[ebaut]

Yes I tried the M12x1.50 , but yeah sorry It was the black ones. I tried. Ill google those silver ones right now.

[CTScott]

Measure the diameter of the smallest part of the opening (to see if the 0.62" diameter tube of the Gorilla lug nuts will enter.

Also, measure the depth from the beginning of the taper to the back side of the lug nut opening. From the picture it looks like they are really thick wheels, which would mean longer studs would need to be installed on the car.

[Exiwolfman]

That would be the issue from ur pics u probably only can fit the silver once...not much space there.

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[ebaut]

Where can those silver ones be bought?

The black ones do fit, but they grab so very little, that's why I was thinking the extended Gorilla M12x1.5 might work.

Thx for the replies guys. :smile:


http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n271/tribi9/tribi9090/etgorill_zpsuroyh6xb.jpeg (http://s114.photobucket.com/user/tribi9/media/tribi9090/etgorill_zpsuroyh6xb.jpeg.html)

[Exiwolfman]

Where can those silver ones be bought?

The black ones do fit, but they grab so very little, that's why I was thinking the extended Gorilla M12x1.5 might work.

Thx for the replies guys. [emoji2]


http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n271/tribi9/tribi9090/etgorill_zpsuroyh6xb.jpeg (http://s114.photobucket.com/user/tribi9/media/tribi9090/etgorill_zpsuroyh6xb.jpeg.html)
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Think u need the hex style to work.

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[ebaut]

Measure the diameter of the smallest part of the opening (to see if the 0.62" diameter tube of the Gorilla lug nuts will enter.

Also, measure the depth from the beginning of the taper to the back side of the lug nut opening. From the picture it looks like they are really thick wheels, which would mean longer studs would need to be installed on the car.

I just measured the opening at its smallest part, i actually measured from the back, i got approximately 13mm or .52"

I think I might be screwed. :mad:

[Exiwolfman]

I just measured the opening at its smallest part, i actually measured from the back, i got approximately 13mm or .52"

I think I might be screwed. :mad:
They would not make the wheels if one could not get the wheel nuts contact they guy u got the wheels from ask what he used also take one wheel with u to a specific wheel shop not crappy tire lol

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[ebaut]

They would not make the wheels if one could not get the wheel nuts contact they guy u got the wheels from ask what he used also take one wheel with u to a specific wheel shop not crappy tire lol

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I enquired to the guy i bought them from and he said it was some shop in Scarborough. Not sure where.

I also went to two "specialized" wheel shops but no luck.

[Exiwolfman]

Danforth street and Victoria Park I know there was a wheel shop and the one I think he is talking about is Superior Tire

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[Exiwolfman]

Superior Tire should definitely have it Google locations few around Toronto area.

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[ebaut]

Superior tire? Ill give them a call tomorrow. Thank you.

[Exiwolfman]

Superior tire? Ill give them a call tomorrow. Thank you.
Your welcome...and let us know how it worked out.

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[Exiwolfman]

Also looks like Superior Tire deals with TenzoR wheels so it's best place to check they specialize in aftermarket wheels.

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[ebaut]

Keeping my fingers crossed. Ill call them tomorrow. Hopefully i can post some cool pictures later on in this thread with some cool rims :cool: :smile:

Cheers

[Exiwolfman]

Keeping my fingers crossed. Ill call them tomorrow. Hopefully i can post some cool pictures later on in this thread with some cool rims :cool: [emoji2]

Cheers
Cool 😎

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[ebaut]

Armchair detective work...

So, i measured the inside of the hole on the wheel is .62 diameter. So, if what username Texacott45 says here is true.

I know the lugs are the same as my Tacoma,but anybody know what size and thread?sorry duh,found it.12mm X 1.5

Then based on this review.


This style of lug nut was required for the installation of conical seat aluminum American Muscle GT4 (18 x 9) wheels on my 5 lug Toyota Tacoma, as the factory studs are short. These lug nuts enabled the capture of all threads for a good fit and a safe install in this application. The spline system gets you a theft protection addition with all lugs looking the same. A splined installation/removal socket is required for this application. The one I received works well and is also part of a theft protection system in this application.

http://www.brandsport.com/grla-21138et.html

And because the spline nut i used earlier is stopping right on the taper inside the hole.

57262


but by using the Gorilla nuts that extra .25 extension at the bottom at .62" wide, would fit perfectly through the opening.

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n271/tribi9/tribi9090/etgorill_zpsuroyh6xb.jpeg (http://s114.photobucket.com/user/tribi9/media/tribi9090/etgorill_zpsuroyh6xb.jpeg.html)

That makes me think those Gorillas have to be the answer or one of them.

[ebaut]

This one might be even better...

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n271/tribi9/tribi9092/_57_zpsqdxcydat.jpg (http://s114.photobucket.com/user/tribi9/media/tribi9092/_57_zpsqdxcydat.jpg.html)

Im still calling Superior though, i want to see what they say...

[ebaut]

I called Superior in Mississauga, explained the issue. He asked me a few questions, then he said that I need Gorilla PN 21038. He was to call me back and get me a quote but he never did. Online prices in Canada for those nuts are freaking nuts, so i ended up ordering from the US a set that includes the lock nuts and hex keys for $39.99

Thanks all.

[Exiwolfman]

I called Superior in Mississauga, explained the issue. He asked me a few questions, then he said that I need Gorilla PN 21038. He was to call me back and get me a quote but he never did. Online prices in Canada for those nuts are freaking nuts, so i ended up ordering from the US a set that includes the lock nuts and hex keys for $39.99

Thanks all.
Cool....crossed fingers

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[ebaut]

If those dont work im setting those god damn wheels on FIRE!!! :evil:

:tongue::laugh:

[Exiwolfman]

If those dont work im setting those god damn wheels on FIRE!!! :evil:

:tongue::laugh:
Lmfao if u do film it haha

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[Thebigwicks]

I see no reason those spline drives won't work unless you are running spacers. I doubt the back pad of that wheel is that thick. I'm running 10 mil spacers and still can get plenty threads with my spline drives. If worst comes to worst you can always order extended studs.

[justjesus]

i had a similar issue when I bought used wheels for my 96 Jeep Cherokee. The lug nuts were not getting enough tread. Did lots of looking online, and actually ordered smaller sets (of 4) and tried a few before finding the "extended length" Gorillas. Bought them, and they worked.

You should be fine. Just make sure to slip them through the holes before you try and mount them. For 2 reasons. (1) make sure ALL holes clear the lug nuts. A couple of mine had to be cleaned up a tad. And (2) make sure the tips don't extend past the wheel mounting surface! If they do, your wheels won't seat properly.

[ebaut]

:cool:

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n271/tribi9/tribi9094/IMG_20160629_183635_HDR_zpsjqdchrfx.jpg (http://s114.photobucket.com/user/tribi9/media/tribi9094/IMG_20160629_183635_HDR_zpsjqdchrfx.jpg.html)

[Exiwolfman]

:cool:

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n271/tribi9/tribi9094/IMG_20160629_183635_HDR_zpsjqdchrfx.jpg (http://s114.photobucket.com/user/tribi9/media/tribi9094/IMG_20160629_183635_HDR_zpsjqdchrfx.jpg.html)
Looking good, glad u got it all sorted out.

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[ebaut]

Thanks man, im glad i was able to get the proper lug nuts. I was worried there for a bit. 2 local tire shop guys were helpless. WTF??

No rubbing at all. Takes corners like a champ. :smile:

I even got myself a torque wrench :wink:

[Exiwolfman]

Thanks man, im glad i was able to get the proper lug nuts. I was worried there for a bit. 2 local tire shop guys were helpless. WTF??

No rubbing at all. Takes corners like a champ. [emoji2]

I even got myself a torque wrench :wink:
Sweet now u need to lower it lol

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[ebaut]

TRD springs? mmmm.... :iono:

[Exiwolfman]

TRD springs? mmmm.... :iono:
Tein springs 2 inch drop all around, TRD is. 5 front and 1.5 rear.

Go low or go home lol

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[kimona]

Wheels look pretty good! Rubber looks a bit short on stock suspension. 205/40/17's???

[ebaut]

Yes Kimona, 205/40/17.

[ebaut]

Im buying new tires I blew a tire going over a lip on my driveway. I believe this tires are old.

Would 215 40 17 be a better choice, less chance of anything blowing and/or better looks?

[Exiwolfman]

Im buying new tires I blew a tire going over a lip on my driveway. I believe this tires are old.

Would 215 40 17 be a better choice, less chance of anything blowing and/or better looks?
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[kimona]

Im buying new tires I blew a tire going over a lip on my driveway. I believe this tires are old.

Would 215 40 17 be a better choice, less chance of anything blowing and/or better looks?

205/45/17 would be the proper size on stock suspension... and they work very well with a mild to moderate drop.

[thebarber]

Marken performance on Ottawa should have lugs tahtll work in stock. I know I've gone to them in the past and they have lots

[Rigaud]

Marken performance on Ottawa should have lugs tahtll work in stock. I know I've gone to them in the past and they have lots
You should have read before posting. He found what was needed and the wheels are on. lol

[Rigaud]

:cool:

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n271/tribi9/tribi9094/IMG_20160629_183635_HDR_zpsjqdchrfx.jpg (http://s114.photobucket.com/user/tribi9/media/tribi9094/IMG_20160629_183635_HDR_zpsjqdchrfx.jpg.html)
Really nice wheels.......looks great.

[thebarber]

You should have read before posting. He found what was needed and the wheels are on. lol

Was trying to help a desperate local....noticed there were several pages after posting and was too lazy to change my post