Kia and Hyundai.

[junorico24]

What the heck is going on with these two?

They have upped their game in a few years.

Now what is all this talk about stinger rwd sedan and 130 N AWD monster. What is it they can't do? they have surprised people.Hope KIA changes that badge though.

I am becoming a fan. Toyota, Honda, and Mazda better lift their game up.

[junorico24]

I own a KIA Sportage and driven a hyundai ILOAD.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89s4jin9qw8

Hyundai ILOAD. Now this Van has impressed me on how it drives. It's like a car not a van.It also has potential to turn into a camper van. I have driven a HIACE and that thing felt like a truck compared to the ILOAD.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myCaBLGVH_8


KIA sportage. This car didn't really impress me initially but after owning the 2 liter diesel for a year.This car grows on you it is easy to drive. Comfortable, smooth has enough pick on the highway. Very reliable it's just does the job with no complaints.It does everything good.

[bronsin]

Too many black circles in CR RELIABILITY RATINGS FOr me to consider buying one of them.

No matter how good they drive.

[SirDigby]

I see how the are constructed in the body shops, yuck. don't their engines fall apart at 80,000 miles? yuck.

[junorico24]

I see how the are constructed in the body shops, yuck. don't their engines fall apart at 80,000 miles? yuck.


Yuck? how come. My sportage got into a collision and guess who came off second best. Not my car, hers..These things are built solid as fark..the only thing that go damaged was the radiator and air con unit. :smile:

[Thirty-Nine]

Hyundai and Kia are undeniably world-class auto makers nowadays. I've driven everything from a Kia Rio to a Hyundai Genesis, and they're great. It's a company that knows where its going and has really learned how to build good cars and appeal to the right markets. Good on them.

[ern-diz]

As nice as they look these days, they've never passed my ol' kick the tires and test drive tests. The way the doors sound and feel when they actuate, how they feel on the road, etc.

For me, they're still leagues behind manufacturers like Honda and Toyota. I'd say it's all in my head, but the reliability reports Bronsin referenced and the regular use of that 100k mile warranty seem to confirm my bias.

[bronsin]

Id say theyre World Class like Ford, Dodge, and Mitsubishi are World Class.:laugh:

Theres NO WAY any of those guys are getting my money! :cool:

Im reading in CR that the Honda Fit is only average in reliability.

That ones off my list too.

And if Toyota drops to average, I ll drop kick them too!:thumbsup:

[Thirty-Nine]

Well, I guess it depends on how much faith you have in CR. I have very little. :)

The bottom line is that Kia and Hyundai are doing something very right and people are taking notice.

[ern-diz]

...people are taking notice.

No denying that. Sales have been happening.

I keep looking out for a post from scratchpaddy (or was it dodge aries?) about their experience with an Elantra. As anecdotal as it may be, it didn't sound like it went well and I know there's been interest in the Elantra GT from others on the forum.

[scratchpaddy]

The Aries guy is the one who got an Elantra due to the Takata airbag thing. I don't think he had problems with it, he just doesn't like it near as much as the Yaris.

From what I've seen and experienced, Kia and Hyundai interiors feel kind of cheap and don't hold up near as well as Toyota interiors, but they're not too bad mechanically and are generally easy to maintain. And man, they are CHEAP on the used market. A Toyota or a Honda might have a few less issues down the road, but that Kia costs half as much. I would not buy one new, but they can give you big bang for the buck used.

Consumer Reports (JD Power, too) only look at cars 3 years old or less. They think Audi has excellent reliability. :bellyroll: The average car on the road is 11 years old. I don't think their findings have much relevance in the real world.

[WeeYari]

Bought a '13 Soul 4u last August. Love it. Better equipped than a '16 equivalent trim level at half the cost. Used is definitely a bargain.

With the exception of unknown to me personally reliability, everything about it upscales my Yaris.


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[ern-diz]

Interesting stuff.

[justanotherdrunk]

my sister drives a 2014 sportage

very nice and comfortable on long road trips

ridiculously huge back seat

[justanotherdrunk]

the elantra gt is nice and similar to the yaris se with a lot more power

i prefer the yaris styling

and i dont care about horsepower since my yaris is for roadtrips/ sitting on the fwy at 80 all day/ night

[Kaotic Lazagna]

I get Kia and Hyundai trade ins at work. They don't hold any resale value, and even newer cars have issues. Shoot, a customer was fed up with his 2014 Hyundai with very low miles as it spent 6 months in the shop total. He said he can barely drive the car with the amount of time it goes back into the shop.

[why?]

I get Kia and Hyundai trade ins at work. They don't hold any resale value, and even newer cars have issues. Shoot, a customer was fed up with his 2014 Hyundai with very low miles as it spent 6 months in the shop total. He said he can barely drive the car with the amount of time it goes back into the shop.

I don't trust CR when it comes to cars at all, that is like trusting an AA guy to rate wine. But I've heard far too many kia and hyundai reliability nightmares to want to buy one, even if that new AWD N thing could be amazing.

[Kaotic Lazagna]

I don't trust CR when it comes to cars at all, that is like trusting an AA guy to rate wine. But I've heard far too many kia and hyundai reliability nightmares to want to buy one, even if that new AWD N thing could be amazing.

I don't really look at CR for anything. lol

[Kalispel]

I really like the look/stance of certain Hyundai, Kia and Volkswagen vehicles but I simply don't trust them, just like I don't trust Ford, GM, Chrysler, Fiat, BMW, etc.

[kimona]

I really like the look/stance of certain Hyundai, Kia and Volkswagen vehicles but I simply don't trust them, just like I don't trust Ford, GM, Chrysler, Fiat, BMW, etc.

+1

[Dodge Aries K]

I do have an Elantra! The rear suspension is defective on pretty much all of them. A specialty shop was able to fix the rear alignment and it drives world's better now. Not technically adjustable by Hyundai's specifications.

I tell you something, I will never ever buy one again. 3rd Gen yaris for life.

[Exiwolfman]

both junk in the long run

[Golddeenoh]

as someone that has been in the mechanic field, i will never buy a KIA or Hyundai, i have had people trade them in with less than 5k miles and they where already burning oil. they never last to their 100k mark, and if you get a used one from the dealer it would only have the 30k warranty. They have progressed to be better but they have only improved their style and interiors the most their Direct injection engine is a good step forward but it still has its issues.

[Exiwolfman]

as someone that has been in the mechanic field, i will never buy a KIA or Hyundai, i have had people trade them in with less than 5k miles and they where already burning oil. they never last to their 100k mark, and if you get a used one from the dealer it would only have the 30k warranty. They have progressed to be better but they have only improved their style and interiors the most their Direct injection engine is a good step forward but it still has its issues.
So true and it's why I say both junk , I work on car too and see it all and say avoid both makes .

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[junorico24]

OMG!

I hired a Hyundai I30 in mint condition. It's smooth and comfortable car perfect for a daily driving. I see why people who buy these new Hyundai's and Kia love them.

I had the latest model I30, nice looking car and it's lovely to drive. Not fun but good enough.

Come on Toyota fan boys you need to wake up. Hyundai and KIA are closing in on the top 3 Japanese makers.:clap:

[Exiwolfman]

OMG! since the sportage is getting repaired. I hired a Hyundai I30 in mint condition. It's smooth and comfortable car perfect for a daily driving. I see why people who buy these new Hyundai's and Kia love them.

I had the latest model I30 nice looking car and it's just lovely to drive. Not fun but good enough.

Come on Toyota fan boys you need to wake up. Hyundai and KIA are closing in on the top 3 Japanese makers.:clap:
I'm sorry but no , no need to wake up I'm a Auto tech and see first had what junk they are ...My 07 Yaris works better than a yr old Kia or Hyundai .
If u like to burn money go right ahead I will pass cos nothing but problems .

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[tarkus]

OMG!

I hired a Hyundai I30 in mint condition. It's smooth and comfortable car perfect for a daily driving. I see why people who buy these new Hyundai's and Kia love them.
I've also driven a rental Hyundai i30, in the UK. Like you I also found it drove great, and was really economical on gas too.

But driving a rental car proves nothing, as far as long term ownership goes. Rental cars are always less than 6 month old, nice and shiny, and too new to show problems. So I prefer to listen to what the professional mechanics tell me, based on the cars they service and fix every day.

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[tarkus]

OMG!

I hired a Hyundai I30 in mint condition. It's smooth and comfortable car perfect for a daily driving. I see why people who buy these new Hyundai's and Kia love them.
I've also driven a rental Hyundai i30. It was in the UK. Like you I also found it drove great, and was really economical on gas too.

But driving a rental car proves nothing, as far as long term ownership goes. Rental cars are always less than 6 month old, nice and shiny, and too new to show problems. So I prefer to listen to what the professional mechanics tell me, based on the cars they service and fix every day.

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[ern-diz]

Come on Toyota fan boys you need to wake up. Hyundai and KIA are closing in on the top 3 Japanese makers.:clap:

:hitcomputer: :bonk:

as someone that has been in the mechanic field, i will never buy a KIA or Hyundai, i have had people trade them in with less than 5k miles and they where already burning oil. they never last to their 100k mark, and if you get a used one from the dealer it would only have the 30k warranty. They have progressed to be better but they have only improved their style and interiors the most their Direct injection engine is a good step forward but it still has its issues.

...driving a rental car proves nothing, as far as long term ownership goes. Rental cars are always less than 6 month old, nice and shiny, and too new to show problems. So I prefer to listen to what the professional mechanics tell me, based on the cars they service and fix every day.

:stupid:

As someone who's owned Toyota, Honda and was recently shopping Ford and Mazda, I honestly wouldn't call myself a Toyota fanboy. If anything, I've always criticized Toyota for having a bit of yawn factor compared to others.

As I said before, for me, it's more about tactile feel and drive experience. They literally feel sub-par in every way to me. Pile on what actual tech's are saying and it's not a good look.

[tarkus]

I think we have enough actual techs on this forum, plus I know a couple of master mechanics who tell me the same thing. There may be a bit of a yawn factor, but they're as reliable as hell. I only used to drive high end European cars until recently, and the whole Toyota thing came as quite an eye opener to me, as I'd always looked down on Japanese cars. Now I won't drive anything else.

One of my previous cars was a BMW Z1 roadster (look it up). The Yaris with tweaks has been the most fun to drive I've had since. So maybe not such a huge yawn factor after all.

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[ern-diz]

I think we have enough actual techs on this forum, plus I know a couple of master mechanics who tell me the same thing. There may be a bit of a yawn factor, but they're as reliable as hell.

Right, which is why I agreed with you.

One of my previous cars was a BMW Z1 roadster (look it up). The Yaris with tweaks has been the most fun to drive I've had since. So maybe not such a huge yawn factor after all.

I'm familiar with the Z1. It may not be huge yawn factor in your experience, but when stacked up next to Honda, Nissan and Mazda, Toyota is definitely the sleepiest of the bunch.

[Thirty-Nine]

I have a 2017 Sportage SX (FWD) for review this week. I have to say, it's freaking nice—like luxury car nice. 240 hp, 260 ft/lbs of torque; pretty darn quick.

FYI, I don't own or have any loyalty to Kia, Hyundai, or any other brand. But I'll tell you what, the Sportage SX is a very nice, powerful, and comfy vehicle.

[kimona]

I guess the "yawn factor" is something I'm in search of when shopping for a car. I'm simply looking for good, reliable, transportation that only requires inexpensive routine maintenance and almost no repairs.

I'm completely satisfied with the "antiquated" 1.5L and 4-speed automatic transmission in my Yaris. I don't want/need any "tech" features whatsoever; power windows, mirrors, and locks are the extent of my "luxury" needs.

For exterior design, I prefer conservative, tight, flowing lines, not some radical Yugio inspired design with curves and angles... and fake vents, etc. that make no sense whatsoever.

[ern-diz]

I guess the "yawn factor" is something I'm in search of when shopping for a car. I'm simply looking for good, reliable, transportation that only requires inexpensive routine maintenance and almost no repairs.

I'm completely satisfied with the "antiquated" 1.5L and 4-speed automatic transmission in my Yaris. I don't want/need any "tech" features whatsoever; power windows, mirrors, and locks are the extent of my "luxury" needs.

For exterior design, I prefer conservative, tight, flowing lines, not some radical Yugio inspired design with curves and angles... and fake vents, etc. that make no sense whatsoever.

Hard to argue, Toyota is great.

Just saying that when it comes to performance inspired driving experience, Toyota is looking about ready for a nap lol.

[ern-diz]

Coincidentally and quite timely, Inside Lane posted a link to their static review of the new Kia Stinger GT on Wheelwell.com.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQD2BT39M5s&feature=youtu.be

[tarkus]

It may not be huge yawn factor in your experience, but when stacked up next to Honda, Nissan and Mazda, Toyota is definitely the sleepiest of the bunch.
I think you're right in general about Toyota, especially in North America. For some reason they abondoned the Celicia, the Supra and the MR2, and focused on middle of the road family cars, SUVs and trucks. The Scion range kept the Toyota name in Europe and therefore managed to prevent the brand looking quite so staid over there.

My wife drives a Camry, and its a great comfortable and refined family car, but with zero coolness factor. The Yaris, indeed lacks sophistication, but is huge fun because of its lightweight go-kart feel. With only minor tweaks to the engine and suspension it becomes a fantastic little sports car that's simply a pleasure to drive. Who cares if it's unsophisticated. That's a lot of its attraction, in addition to its many other good points, and I'm now on my second one.

I have a 2017 Sportage SX (FWD) for review this week. I have to say, it's freaking nice—like luxury car nice. 240 hp, 260 ft/lbs of torque; pretty darn quick.

FYI, I don't own or have any loyalty to Kia, Hyundai, or any other brand. But I'll tell you what, the Sportage SX is a very nice, powerful, and comfy vehicle.
That may well be but there's still a big question mark over the reliability.

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[junorico24]

I do have an Elantra! The rear suspension is defective on pretty much all of them. A specialty shop was able to fix the rear alignment and it drives world's better now. Not technically adjustable by Hyundai's specifications.

I tell you something, I will never ever buy one again. 3rd Gen yaris for life.

They're both good cars

The Yaris would be nicer if it was quiter, rides in comfort,spacious interior. All the gizmos at a reasonable price backed with 7 year life time unlimited warranty etc.

The Hyundai has it beat in everything except driving dynamics. Yaris has a bit of character in a sense that it feels more nimble and agile.But you can hear wind noise, road noise, engine noise. Feel bumps and generally feels fidgety on the road.

The I30 feels more refined and stable under all condition. They are working on the driving dynamic the next 130 will have independent suspension all round to address that lack of character.Don't get me wrong the handles well enough it just doesn't give you feed back like a Mazda 3.

[junorico24]

The Yaris engine has some character as well it feels like a willing unit and eager. The Hyundai is again refined goes about it's business smoothy with no fuss. Yaris is smooth as well but gets rough with you press it. The i30 is a pleasant feel. If Hyundai can make their car fun it will sell like hot cakes.

[kevinj93]

Kia are advertising a 7 year warranty on their new vehicles here in Australia. I know one person who bought a Kia because of that. It wil be interesting to see what happens at the end of the warranty period.

My experience with korean built vehicles is "sell it when the warranty expires." there were several instances of not being able to buy a single part, but having to pay for a much more expensive assembly containing the wanted part.

[David C]

I have a white 2 door 2007 Yaris HB, auto with AC, cruise control, winter package, etc, pretty much all equipped. I went to a Toyota dealer last week to check out a white 2 door 2016 Yaris HB auto that was being marked down for liquidation sale. Curious to see if in 10 years Toyota managed to improve the Yaris, I methodically inspected, compared and tested all of the car had as well as a test drive in snowy weather. Comparing apple to apple, the newer Yaris wasn't improved in any way, in fact, it was even less than my 10 years old one. Mostly regarding the interior, dash configuration, (non)existant storage space, the AC feature was only available on the 4 doors HB models, no dome light for the rear passenger, etc. Only good thing was the added side-arbags that my generation lacks (important for me). Drove exactly the same as mine, or I should say mine still drive like a new one, even with close to 200k km. Based on my experience, I concluded that my next car won't be a newer gen Yaris.

After leaving the Toyota dealer, I stop at the Huyndai dealership to see if they had something better to offer than the current Toyota line-up. Perhaps they did improve their car unlike Toyota. As soon as I stepped into the showroom, a satin blue special edition Veloster Turbo Rally caught my eye. After looking all the models with the salesman, the Veloster was the only Huyndai model that actually had a chance against my Yaris. Unfortunately, I'm still uncertain about Huyndai's reliability and low cost of maintenance/ownership, which is why I haven't bought one yet. However, I'm on the edge since the Veloster has an impressive list of pro and very few cons, compared to my Yaris.

Here's the list :

HUGE hatch opening that allows for easy loading of oversized cargo (which I often do).
Similar engine (4C/1,6L) and gas mileage (6,5L/100km highway with automatic).
6 speed dual clutch automatic transmission.
3 doors plus hatch (small door on rear passenger side, genius design).
Sunroof int he front and panoramic sun roof in the rear.
Heated seats, steering, nice and comfortable cockpit, nothing fancy or unnecessary, but fully equipped.
Good audio design for aftermarket upgrades (speaker location, head unit design etc).
Clean and practical engine bay design (very similar to the Yaris, no headache).
Sporty look, but decent ride height, very good vision all around (Yaris lacks the sporty look).
Interior is spacious, well though for storage, easy to clean, comfortable and won't age like most fancy interior designs.
Easily customizable in both electrical and cargo loading.
Priced surprisingly affordable (less than a Honda Civic HB) !

Only cons would be the unknown cost of maintenance and reliability, as well as a way more expensive insurance premium, more expensive tires (bigger wheels) and less off road ability (lower stance).

Since I use my car for 3 primary duties, which are driving to work (sometimes it means driving on dirt roads or heavy snow/ice roads, I work construction), carrying my work gear (which can be several tool box, ladders, etc depending on the job) and road trips (car camping and remote areas), I'm looking at what other cars can do better and without being more expensive to do. My car cost me $600/year for insurance and about $0,05/km in fuel on a road trip. It has enough room for me sleeping in (made a flat deck) and for loading a shocking amount of cargo. It's comfortable to drive even when heavily loaded on the highway and to do custom setups for audio, electrical, etc. Parks everywhere and can handle off roading, dunes, snow, etc.

The Veloster actually match up to the gas mileage cost, the ease of cargo loading, the interior comfort, storage and ease of use for the controls, lots of room in the back, great visibility all around, easy to customize the electrical and audio, etc. On top of it, I get the sporty look (I find the performance of the Yaris good enough for driving on public roads anyway) without the big engine expenses, heated seat and all those practical options like AC, heated mirrors, electric windows, intermittent wipers, defroster, etc etc. Seats are manual adjust, so no electrical/electronics to go bad over the years, etc.

The engine bay of the Huyndai was very similar to the Yaris, so perhaps the guts aren't that bad either ?

Overall, I think that it's a superb design and very practical while remaining economic on gas and purchase price. All of the people I know who have bought into Huyndai in the last 5 years are very satisfied customers, without recurring mechanical or electrical problems.

Perhaps Toyota should partner with Huyndai for providing the engine and drivetrain ? Because so far that's the only concerns about Huyndai for me. Plus seeing how the new Yaris isn't even as nice as the Huyndai, I'm very curious to see proof of huyndai mechanical flaws in the Veloster.

[Kalispel]

The bottom-barrel Veloster starts at $1000 more than a Yaris SE or LE, and about $3000 more than the L, so it had better be 'better equipped' than any new Yaris. Add another +$4500-5500 difference to that $1000/$3000 difference for the Rally/Turbo editions of the Veloster. The Veloster is competing against the Corolla or iM, if anything. Heck, the Rally/Turbo is as much or more than a Corolla XSE (top trim level). The Yaris is competing against the Hyundai Accent in terms of price-point & features.

In terms of overall reliability, I believe that Hyundai/Kia is somewhere around (below) Honda now (which has dropped in quality over the years). Not horrible, but somewhere in the middle ranges. Toyota/Lexus is head/shoulders above everyone else in reliability rating for their price-point, but they are also generally the slowest to adopt newer technologies and features - which is the trade-off for proven reliability versus newer cutting-edge tech/features for the customer-marketing woo-factor.

[David C]

$25k CAD including taxes and all fees, for a 2016 Veloster SE automatic.

The Accent and Elantra (both HB version) are only available in 4 doors versions (I want a 2 doors, but actually don't mind the 3rd door design of the Veloster), and have similar engine and overall dimensions, however they sport a very poor hatch design that gives you little access to the cargo area, not to mention the rear bumper being raised almost a foot above the cargo floor, making it impossible to load and slide in and out hefty cargo or very wide/high items like I do in my Yaris. The Veloster still have the raised bumper to cargo floor, however the clever hatch design means you can load from the top too, making loading heavy or tall items doable without much more efforts to it than a leveled bumper/deck.

Even a Accent offers heated seats, AC, cruise control, etc etc.

Again, I want a 2 door hatchback with automatic transmission, AC and electric group. Toyota doesn't offer it anymore (AC only in the 4 door HB, although an retrofit is possible, but parts and labor are expensive), and I don't like the interior design and lacks of previous features.


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[Kalispel]

I can see why you would definitely want heated seats in Canada :thumbsup:. Not so much for me here in Phoenix (Sunstroke), AZ. :laugh: I haven't even turned my heater on since I purchased the car 18 months ago, except once to test it. :laugh:


Also, check out this site as a tool for spotting potential chronic issues with various car models and years - though it is probably more useful for used car models with some history already under their belts - plus, more popular cars are more likely to have posted issues in sufficient quantities to spot problem trends.

http://www.carcomplaints.com/

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[kimona]

Also, check out this site as a tool for spotting potential chronic issues with various car models and years - though it is probably more useful for used car models with some history already under their belts (plus, more popular cars are more likely to have posted issues in sufficient quantities to spot problem trends).
http://www.carcomplaints.com/

Interesting website. Thanks, Kalispel.

[junorico24]

$25k CAD including taxes and all fees, for a 2016 Veloster SE automatic.

The Accent and Elantra (both HB version) are only available in 4 doors versions (I want a 2 doors, but actually don't mind the 3rd door design of the Veloster), and have similar engine and overall dimensions, however they sport a very poor hatch design that gives you little access to the cargo area, not to mention the rear bumper being raised almost a foot above the cargo floor, making it impossible to load and slide in and out hefty cargo or very wide/high items like I do in my Yaris. The Veloster still have the raised bumper to cargo floor, however the clever hatch design means you can load from the top too, making loading heavy or tall items doable without much more efforts to it than a leveled bumper/deck.

Even a Accent offers heated seats, AC, cruise control, etc etc.

Again, I want a 2 door hatchback with automatic transmission, AC and electric group. Toyota doesn't offer it anymore (AC only in the 4 door HB, although an retrofit is possible, but parts and labor are expensive), and I don't like the interior design and lacks of previous features.


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Two doors? so you don't have kids. Then get a two door. In my case i will never get a two door again.They are annoying in the long run. Having those extra two doors helps you out a lot trust me. Except maybe when your kid tries to open the door because they being naughty.Thankfully the child lock system is great in Hyundai and KIA.:thumbsup:

[David C]

Two doors? so you don't have kids. Then get a two door. In my case i will never get a two door again.They are annoying in the long run. Having those extra two doors helps you out a lot trust me. Except maybe when your kid tries to open the door because they being naughty.Thankfully the child lock system is great in Hyundai and KIA.:thumbsup:



I don't have kids indeed, and I did take the rear bench out to make a flat deck. The longer doors on the 2 door model are nice to have when you load cargo in and out, since you have a decent access to behind the passenger seat even with the seat all the way back.

If I had kids, this wouldn't have been the car I'd bought. No side airbag in my current car, as I previously mentioned, it's a pretty important safety factor that I'm looking forward to in my next vehicle.

When I was a kid, we always had Pontiac minivans. Transport, Montana and Montana SV6. Those were very nice cars too. Before hand, my dad used to be driving 2 doors sports cars haha.

If I had kids, I would have gone with something along a Kia Soul, with plenty of room and still good bang for the money for a entry level car. Or a Pontiac Vibe/Toyota Matrix.

I'm glad to be single :P


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[Kalispel]

Yeah, Toyota doesn't have very compelling 2/3 door option vehicles in the USA/Canada outside of the impractical, sporty 86.

I'm happily free and childless (:thumbup:) as well, but find that 4/5 doors is more practical and attractive (to me) in typical sedan/hatchback form. I also don't like those longer, heavier doors in 2/3 door vehicles. Those are the ones that usually ding other people's doors in parking lots, along with chunky Trucks/SUV's :cry:

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[scratchpaddy]

The Veloster is my favorite car design of this decade. If it works for you, go for it. I would get a used one for 1/2 or 1/3 the price, but that's just me. :wink:

As far as longevity and reliability, every brand has improved over time. I would even go so far as to say a bottom-of-the-barrel new Fiat would last longer than an average 1990's car. You will not be disappointed with a Hyundai. Even though they are not the best, they are far from the bottom of the barrel.

[bairjo]

Hyundai and Kia are undeniably world-class auto makers nowadays. I've driven everything from a Kia Rio to a Hyundai Genesis, and they're great. It's a company that knows where its going and has really learned how to build good cars and appeal to the right markets. Good on them.

Just don't get a flat tire in one...This world class company doesn't think you will ever need a spare tire. Also, better check your actual gas mileage in an older one...yea, they overstated their performance there a few years back....and got busted....world class.

[Thirty-Nine]

Just don't get a flat tire in one...This world class company doesn't think you will ever need a spare tire. Also, better check your actual gas mileage in an older one...yea, they overstated their performance there a few years back....and got busted....world class.

There are plenty of manufacturers offering cars without spare tires. BMW, Subaru, Mercedes, Chevrolet, Toyota (some Prius models don't have a spare) and the list goes on and on. Fact of the matter is, most people call AAA or road-side assistance these days. Do you know how many people don't even know how to change a tire? (Apparently, 60% of people are not confident in the ability to change at tire (http://www.nbcnews.com/business/consumer/draft-60-percent-people-can-t-change-flat-tire-most-n655501)).

Yeah, Hyundai and Kia weren't measuring up to fuel economy standards. No manufacturer is immune to issues. Ever Googled "Toyota Sludge?"

Consumers saddled with sludge-clogged Toyota engines may soon get some help from the Japanese auto giant under the terms of a class-action lawsuit settlement that covers roughly 3.5 million Toyota and Lexus vehicles damaged by engine oil sludge.

https://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2007/01/toyota_sludge_settlement.html

Just sayin'.

[WeeYari]

Just don't get a flat tire in one...This world class company doesn't think you will ever need a spare tire.

I cannot believe that statement was actually made. Talk about speaking without knowing a shred of fact.

[David C]

There are plenty of manufacturers offering cars without spare tires. BMW, Subaru, Mercedes, Chevrolet, Toyota (some Prius models don't have a spare) and the list goes on and on. Fact of the matter is, most people call AAA or road-side assistance these days. Do you know how many people don't even know how to change a tire? (Apparently, 60% of people are not confident in the ability to change at tire (http://www.nbcnews.com/business/consumer/draft-60-percent-people-can-t-change-flat-tire-most-n655501)).



Are those cars parts of current lineups (regarding no spare tire) ? Just curious as I thought every daily driver modern car had a spare and basic tire changing equipment. Although I could see a Smart no having one due to the very small space available.

They should make tire change part of the practical driving exam when you get your license.

Last I checked, all the Huyndai at the dealership had a nice spare tire under the rear cargo deck with a jack, jack handle, billy club and tow hook.

Maybe it's part of our Canadian federal laws for manufacturers to include such equipment (like the mandatory km/h speedometer, DRL, etc). All the cars I've been into (pretty much most common models of all makes) had spare tires.




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[WeeYari]

Maybe it's part of our Canadian federal laws for manufacturers to include such equipment (like the mandatory km/h speedometer, DRL, etc).


No, it is not mandatory Canadian law. Lots of makes/models are now sold here with only a tire inflation kit provided.


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[David C]

No, it is not mandatory Canadian law. Lots of makes/models are now sold here with only a tire inflation kit provided.


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Could you list the most common ones ? I'm curious to know.


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[tarkus]

I know for a fact that BMWs are now fitted as standard with runflat tyres. Problem is they never balance properly. Technological progress in reverse.

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[Dodge Aries K]

I cannot believe that statement was actually made. Talk about speaking without knowing a shred of fact.

I have Koreamobile. Spare tire does not exist. It has big styrofoam piece in the trunk where spare tire should go. Hyundai will be happy to sell me a spare tire kit for the low cost of almost $300 though...

[bairjo]

I cannot believe that statement was actually made. Talk about speaking without knowing a shred of fact.

So you come on here and slam me for stating they have no spare tire. When I open my daughters trunk...no spare tire. That is a fact. In my mind, that is not world class. Also, bringing up other manufacturers that have also lowered their standards on a kia thread does not make the kia all of a sudden a better car. My daughter lives 5 hours away and had her car a year before I found out she was without a spare. Do you think I should have gotten on here and expressed how impressed I was? Yea, I looked in that empty trunk and the first thing that came to my mind was...world class. Sorry I bothered you.

[WeeYari]

Could you list the most common ones ? I'm curious to know.

A bit of light reading for you http://publicaffairsresources.aaa.biz/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Vehicles-Sold-Without-a-Spare-Tire.pdf

Just google 'vehicles without spares' for more links and stories. Run flats and inflation kits is a global trend which seemed to take hold with the 2014 model year.

[bairjo]

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjKn-Sbs9jRAhUBUyYKHdX3AhQ4ChAWCD8wBg&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.roadandtrack.com%2Fcar-culture%2Fa26194%2Fnot-having-a-spare-tire-is-stupid-and-dangerous%2F&usg=AFQjCNFjC96yw3vzMr1pQ-cGZswRnepj_Q

[kimona]

bairjo, thanks for the link to the Road and Track article. It was an interesting read.

[ern-diz]

The Hyundai has it beat in everything except driving dynamics.

...and reliability, which (as with most products you buy) is probably the most important talking point. Reliability is the foundation for which every other feature sits on.

[David C]

...and reliability, which (as with most products you buy) is probably the most important talking point. Reliability is the foundation for which every other feature sits on.



So what is the reliability issue of Huyndai ? I keep hearing people say their cars aren't reliable, but haven't seen one on the side of the road yet.


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[Thirty-Nine]

For every person that says Hyundais and Kias aren't reliable, you'll find a Hyundai and Kia owner that says they've never had a problem.

Most reliability studies are iffy at best, since you have to look at what they consider to be a definition of "reliability." How many times the car's engine won't start? How many cupholders don't work? How many times the brakes wear at 30,000 miles? 60,000 miles?

The bottom line is there isn't a single bad car on the market these days. The cheapest Kia is still going to be more reliable than cars 30 years ago (not to mention far better equipped).

[justanotherdrunk]

The bottom line is there isn't a single bad car on the market these days.


:thumbsup:

i have bought/ leased many new cars from many manufacturers

they are all reliable

non issue

[WeeYari]

Just a small piece of personal history.

1984 - Mere months after arriving on our shores for the first time, bought a Hyundai Pony. Zero issues.

1990 - Traded Pony in for a new Hyundai Excel. Only issue was drop in compression in one cylinder by the end of my ownership in 1999.

1999 - Bought new Dodge Dakota which initiated the decline in my faith in domestic brands.

2007 - Traded Dakota in on my current 2006 Yaris. Other than failed alternator and air con, no critical issues in 10 yrs. Still my lifetime favourite vehicle purchase.

2016 - Bought 2013 Kia Soul. Now the waiting begins. I do have faith in the fact that it has held #1 and #2 spots in US small car sales for a number years for a reason.

Added into the mix over the years were a Pontiac Transport, Dodge Grand Caravan and a Dodge Caliber. Now these were all some shit with issues.

[David C]

^^ I was checking out a Soul 4u 2010 at the Huyndai dealership, it had 42k km only, cream color, very nice two tone fabric, single owner, with both summer and winter tires, the thing was spotless. Asking price was about $10k plus tax (15%). It was the 2.0L automatic.

Most reviews I've found online said it to be quite reliable and cheap price for full equipment and look, but that driving experience wasn't has good as the car looked, same with gas mileage. They reported loud road noise on highway speeds and lousy/rough handling on imperfect city pavement. Plus the bigger engine that sucks a lot more gas and doesn't seems to make he car more lively than my Yaris.

Still, I think that it was a very interesting car for my needs, although a bit bigger than necessary, but so well equipped that the extra fuel cost and reported road noise would get balanced out overall. If I was to do roadtrips which a bunch of friends or had two hunting dogs, that would be a nice comfortable car for such purpose compared to my Yaris. However I travel alone and don't have outdoor pets, so I don't need to change.

I think that if Toyota would merge the inner design and equipment of the Soul into a Yaris body, it would be a very exciting and enjoyable car.


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[invader166]

For every person that says Hyundais and Kias aren't reliable, you'll find a Hyundai and Kia owner that says they've never had a problem.

Fully agree on that!

My wife has had her 2014 Forte for 3 years now, and other than the tire issues i've mentioned in another thread, she's never had any other problems. Neither mechanical or electrical. It's a solid car, just regular maintenance to do.:thumbsup:

On the other hand, i've heard stories about Soul's having major electrical problems. It really is a coin toss a lot of times.

At least you guys in the US have lemon laws. In Canada, those do not exist...at least not yet.

[WeeYari]

They reported loud road noise on highway speeds and lousy/rough handling on imperfect city pavement.

Reads like most Yaris reviews. :tongue:

[David C]

Reads like most Yaris reviews. :tongue:



I never thought of my Yaris as being quiet to drive, however, it's not uncomfortable, as the engine/drivetrain doesn't get much louder as the speed goes up. However I've been in other cars (notably GM's) where the loudness is directly proportional to your speed to a point were you have to crank the radio so loud to cover the noise that you can't even have a conversation with the person next to you. I think it's possible that the engine bay and body design play a lot in where the sound and vibrations of the air intake, exhaust and drivetrain is directed. In my Yaris, I can clearly make out the sound coming from the exhaust, the sound from the air intake (especially when accelerating from 60km/h up to 85km/h, nice high pitch aspiration noise), the sound and vibration coming from my tires and the sound of the rear bumper flapping in the wind when going over 60km/h. However they are all muffled sounds that are directed toward the rear of the vehicle rather than towards the cockpit, so that if I don't have any music playing at a normal/low volume, it can't notice any of them. And still with no music on, the noises are not aggressive and hardly noticeable.

Can't say the same for the suspension when going over bad roads, but that's expected from a small car and even bigger cars let you hear and feel a good deal of bumps.



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[ern-diz]

So what is the reliability issue of Huyndai ? I keep hearing people say their cars aren't reliable, but haven't seen one on the side of the road yet.

Full disclosure, I've never owned one myself, but as previously stated, they've been very unimpressive when kicking the tires and taking them for test drives.

More importantly to me is the testimonials from techs that actually work on cars for a living, which almost always urge you to stay way.

[sickpuppy1]

My wife has a 2010 Kia Rio that is now at about 109k mileage. It has had 3 sensors replaced under warranty. Couldn't tell you what sensors they were anymore. late august she complained about a misfire and took it to the dealer. Cel said it was a #1 cylinder misfire. They said plugs or coil. So she brought it home and I said what the heck, threw a set of plugs in and it ran OK. The Cel showed up about 2 weeks later while on vacation in Colorado with same code. So I went to Auto Zone in Manitou Springs and bought a coil, they lent me a 10MM wrench and it ran like a champ and the code went away about 2 days later on its own.That was in early October. Now in December, here comes the misfire again. Went to a local Auto Zone here in Gardner, and........#3 cylinder misfire......another coil...... Sure wish I had bought the 4 pack the 1st time,lol
Turns out this is a common problem once they get some miles on them. But if things turn out the way we plan,shes gonna get the Subaru she always wanted soon anyways.

[sickpuppy1]

AS an aside. She used to give me a hard time about her Kia having a 10yr/100k warranty.
I said that may be true, but the thing about my Yaris is, I dont need it!!!!
That being said, the dealership I got my Toyota from puts a lifetime warranty on the drive train of every new Toyota they sell. Its only good for the original purchaser, and I'm sure they are banking on the odds of most people selling after a few years....They dont know me very well.......

[Kalispel]

Another interesting site to check out:

http://longtermqualityindex.com/

Subcompact Reliability Rankings:
http://dashboard-light.com/vehicles/Resources/Images/class/Subcompact/InClassQIR.png

Compact Reliability Rankings:
http://dashboard-light.com/vehicles/Resources/Images/class/Compact/InClassQIR.png

Midsize Reliability Rankings:
http://dashboard-light.com/vehicles/Resources/Images/class/Mid-size/InClassQIR.png

[ern-diz]

AS an aside. She used to give me a hard time about her Kia having a 10yr/100k warranty.
I said that may be true, but the thing about my Yaris is, I dont need it!!!

:thumbsup:

[kimona]

Kalispel, that's great information!

It looks like Toyota Yaris, Prius, Corolla, Camry, Sienna, Tacoma.

[scratchpaddy]

That website is a fantastic resource, especially when looking at models ten years old and more. One of the reasons I have a Yaris now is that their top four subcompacts are all basically the Yaris. :thumbup:

[ern-diz]

Hyundai breaks out the Genesis into it's own, higher end brand...

http://abc7.com/automotive/hyundai-launches-new-luxury-car-brand-named-genesis/1750381/

[kimona]

Hyundai breaks out the Genesis into it's own, higher end brand...

http://abc7.com/automotive/hyundai-launches-new-luxury-car-brand-named-genesis/1750381/

Actually, nice looking cars; refined, conservative, and classy. They look expensive. I used to say that about Lexus, but not anymore.

[scratchpaddy]

I used to say that about Lexus, but not anymore.True. Now they look all pissed off. :tongue:

[justanotherdrunk]

the lexus i want

https://photos.smugmug.com/Other/MISC-stuff/i-RJGhQKp/0/O/01-lexus-lf-sa-concept-geneva-1.jpg

[ern-diz]

the lexus i want

That is just a bit too futuristic looking for my taste.

[David C]

the lexus i want

https://photos.smugmug.com/Other/MISC-stuff/i-RJGhQKp/0/O/01-lexus-lf-sa-concept-geneva-1.jpg



That car looks like the ugly potato that's always left last on the rack at the groceries store xD

I think that's more Dubai-like styling than North America market. Still I think Lexus has the edge over Acura and Infinity as a big manufacturer premium brand. They do put a lot of thoughts into their design to make it highly functional.

I remember many years ago when they introduced the IS F sport sedan, I was thrilled to spend time in the driver seat at the Montreal Auto Show that year, despite being too young to have a license yet :)




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[tarkus]

That car looks like the ugly potato that's always left last on the rack at the groceries store xD
It's a Barfmobile. Right up there at the top of the fugly rankings, along with the Nissan Juke, the BMW i3, the Infinity QX90 and the Fiat Multipla. Sometimes I wonder what some car designers are smoking....

I think that's more Dubai-like styling than North America market.
I've been to Dubai several times with my work. That place is so messed up, if you were to gold-plate a turd and put a big price tag on it, the locals would flock to buy it.
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[David C]

It's a Barfmobile. Right up there at the top of the fugly rankings, along with the Nissan Juke, the BMW i3, the Infinity QX90 and the Fiat Multipla. Sometimes I wonder what some car designers are smoking....


I've been to Dubai several times with my work. That place is so messed up, if you were to gold-plate a turd and put a big price tag on it, the locals would flock to buy it.
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Out of curiosity, is the gas more expensive in Dubai than in North America ? As in about $2-$3/G USD or $1,20/L CAD ?


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[tarkus]

I recall it was way cheaper, although I wasn't driving or paying for the gas when I was over there.

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[David C]

I recall it was way cheaper, although I wasn't driving or paying for the gas when I was over there.

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I wouldn't be surprised to see dealership include free gas for as long as you own the car when you buy it new from them, considering how much money everybody has over there, I don't see them winning more customer then the guy next door just by offering rebate on oil change xD

[junorico24]

Has Kia and Hyundai caught up with Mazda, VW and Toyota? The small car segment i30 will be a monster hit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzIxFZa6dfE&t=183s

[Kalispel]

Not a fan of the i30 styling, overall, especially from the front and sides. Plus, the Hyundai logo looks like a wannabe, rip-off Honda logo. I would choose a Toyota iM, Yaris SE or Mazda3 (sedan or hatch) over the i30 every time.

[tarkus]

Personally I'm not keen on the styling of most Hyuandais. They look plasticy IMO, and have too many curves, groves and lines to be able to look elegant. Totally agree about tie logo as well.

Some Kias look a bit better IMO, except for the black and horribly plastic-looking radiator grill.

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[kimona]

Not a fan of the i30 styling, overall, especially from the front and sides. Plus, the Hyundai logo looks like a wannabe, rip-off Honda logo. I would choose a Toyota iM, Yaris SE or Mazda3 (sedan or hatch) over the i30 every time.


I agree with your comments about the styling of the new i30.

Currently, the Mazda3 or Mazda CX-3 are the only cars I would consider if I left Toyota... which is highly unlikely.

[David C]

We got rear-ended in traffic last Monday by a driver who tried to skip out of the exit lane to get ahead of the crowd, he never looked in front of him when he floored the pedal on his way to the left lane (he was constantly checking his side mirror for upcoming cars).

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170225/8b0bfa7c5bfeca1e255aff6262a7249b.jpg

We were in the work truck, a GMC Savana, and it hit pretty hard, however the only damage was a recessed in the half left of the metal bumper and crack open the left back door flashing, exposing the lower hinge to the elements. Lucky the door and bumper were still functional. The boss was pretty pissed at the guy when we called him, until he saw the aftermath on the other driver's car.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170225/537d65dedea716f368b6bdaf7dea4c21.jpg

A 2014 Kia Forte, the whole passenger front end obliterated and lefts tons of clear plastic lens and reflector material on the highway, plus fog light frame and bezel, engine splash guard, huge bumper cover chunk, lights, etc. he barely was able to drive the car 1000' forward to a gas station to get on the flat bed tow truck. Blue smoke coming out the exhaust and burn tire smell. Even the front right wheel was wobbly.

I wouldn't be surprised if the insurance company decides to scrap the car instead of having it fixed. All that for a low speed traffic collision.




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[WeeYari]

^ there's a front plate on that Kia. Out of province vehicle or just a 'decorative' plate?

[David C]

Decorative baseball team plate.The guy was a Blue Jays fan. Which explains the blue color too.


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[kimona]

It looks like he had a kangaroo in the back seat.

[David C]

It looks like he had a kangaroo in the back seat.



His gf had a bull terrier mixed with chiwawa


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[ern-diz]

I'll just go ahead and leave this here :rolleyes:

http://abc7.com/automotive/hyundai-kia-recall-14m-vehicles;-engines-can-fail/1846843/

[Kalispel]

I'll just go ahead and leave this here :rolleyes:

http://abc7.com/automotive/hyundai-kia-recall-14m-vehicles;-engines-can-fail/1846843/

I think that those are the modern 'state of the art' engines that all the automotive critics want the Yaris to have, instead of its wimpy, antiquated 1NZ-FE powerplant. After all, if it is newer it MUST be better! :wink:

[invader166]

The U.S. engines were made at the Hyundai's engine plant in Alabama...and the engines could stall.

I guess this is what happens when you live in the US and buy a US engine to help the local economy? All this talk about banning manufacturers that sell vehicles that aren't produced in the US and sh*t like this happens? What a disgrase...

[junorico24]

Took the Kia Sportage diesel for a long drive a 3 hour trip to Hunter Valley near New Castle in Australia. It went well got plenty of power the cruise control makes pull hard that you find yourself speeding. I wont use it anymore. :biggrin:

[junorico24]

I have had this Kia Sportage for nearly a year and half and i have to give the company nothing but respect.We have had bumps along the way, well my wife who is in her learners license hit a car at the stoplight .But even after that this car continues to impress.We have taken it to Queensland I live in Sydney tthe car just ran no fuss it's a 9 hour trip. We are now in jervis bay and this car is running smoothly comfortable as F&@k.Maybe it's properly broken in.The Diesel engine the heart of this machine is exceptional it has plenty of grunt when you need it.A bit of lag but when it kicks in it just keeps pulling but linear.I can't wait to test drive the Kia stinger.

It's time to stop being badge snobs imo.

[kimona]

Except for poor fuel economy (compared to the competition) and the new polarizing front end design, the 2017 Sportage gets very good reviews. The Hyundai Tucson (from sister company) generally gets better reviews.

[Whiplash]

I love my forte. Its pretty much a perfect appliance car. I do wish it got better MPGs though for how slow it is. That's my only complaint. Well that and I think it's very ugly.

[junorico24]

I love my forte. Its pretty much a perfect appliance car. I do wish it got better MPGs though for how slow it is. That's my only complaint. Well that and I think it's very ugly.

Slow and ugly you say.Well wait for the next Stinger.Which will come with not a 4 banger, not a tt v6 but wait for it......A 5 ltr V8. It's shows Kia knows what the customers want lol.Surely this is no slow ugly Kia lol strap your seat belt on buckle up do not want a whiplash cowboy.

[Whiplash]

Where did you see about a V8 for it? I know about the V6TT. If it handles anything like the forte, or even the genesis coupe (which it shouldn't) it will be flop. The stinger and the genesis brand need to have good handling and power, having the features and lower price won't do it. Power needs to be better than competitors, not a little slower like they have been doing forever.

[junorico24]

Where did you see about a V8 for it? I know about the V6TT. If it handles anything like the forte, or even the genesis coupe (which it shouldn't) it will be flop. The stinger and the genesis brand need to have good handling and power, having the features and lower price won't do it. Power needs to be better than competitors, not a little slower like they have been doing forever.

5 ltr V8 power in the works for the U.S market but not official yet. The engine is from the parts bin of the genesis tuned for more power like you said.They are also rumoured to get into V8 racing here in Astraya.But i dont understand why they wont bring the V8 in Astraya not making V8 in Aussie land is a mustake.Holden and Ford ceasing production of V8 here.

[Whiplash]

So if that happens they will use the 5.0 from the R-SPEC genesis. Probably de-tuned since its the kia version. 420HP will become 405HP or something. Which IMO isn't enough. It needs to be more than competition.

I hope the cars do well as they are probably good cars (I've only seen them at NAIAS 2016) but performance wise to me its not enough.

[kimona]

I'm completely happy with an under 2L 4-cylinder engine, a 0-60MPH from 8-10 seconds (which is plenty quick), and great fuel economy.

[Whiplash]

^Ya that's a whole different class. Nice to have that too.

This just popped up.

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2017/09/v8-kia-stinger-headed-america.html/amp

[junorico24]

Still not impress. How about i tell you that Peter Schreyer and Albert Beirman are the engineers behind Hyundai and Kia performance cars.:iono:

If you like Beemers and Audi's then there's no reason you wont like Kia and Hyundai except for the logo.

[hairygityeti]

What the heck is going on with these two?

They have upped their game in a few years.

Now what is all this talk about stinger rwd sedan and 130 N AWD monster. What is it they can't do? they have surprised people.Hope KIA changes that badge though.

I am becoming a fan. Toyota, Honda, and Mazda better lift their game up.

Mazda have upped evryones game with thier new HCCI Skyactive-X engineHomogeneous Charge Compression Ignition, or HCCI, is a form of combustion that, like diesel, does not require spark. The compression alone ignites the fuel/air mixture much more efficiently than a conventional gasoline engine -- and it's cleaner than sooty, nitrous-oxide-plagued diesels. Mazda dubs it SkyActiv-X, the first production HCCI engine.
you can read more on it here......autoweek.com/article/technology/watch-how-mazda-built-new-engine-technology
:thumbup:

[junorico24]

Mazda have upped evryones game with thier new HCCI Skyactive-X engineHomogeneous Charge Compression Ignition, or HCCI, is a form of combustion that, like diesel, does not require spark. The compression alone ignites the fuel/air mixture much more efficiently than a conventional gasoline engine -- and it's cleaner than sooty, nitrous-oxide-plagued diesels. Mazda dubs it SkyActiv-X, the first production HCCI engine.
you can read more on it here......autoweek.com/article/technology/watch-how-mazda-built-new-engine-technology
:thumbup:

YES. I posted a thread about this.I feel that the ICE engine is on it's last legs.Electric is the future and we are already seeing companies heading in that direction.There is a shift towards electrifying vehicles. It's a bit too little too late for Mazda and the South Koreans. But we can still enjoy the ICE engine for at least a few more years even though it's will be a dying breed. I would say 10 year max the engine as we know it will gradually become less as electric zero emission vehicles takes it's place.That's my prediction, but i am no nastradamus.

For us it's time to make a decision do you stay ICE or ELECTRIC?

[hairygityeti]

YES. I posted a thread about this.I feel that the ICE engine is on it's last legs.Electric is the future and we are already seeing companies heading in that direction.There is a shift towards electrifying vehicles. It's a bit too little too late for Mazda and the South Koreans. But we can still enjoy the ICE engine for at least a few more years even though it's will be a dying breed. I would say 10 year max the engine as we know it will gradually become less as electric zero emission vehicles takes it's place.That's my prediction, but i am no nastradamus.

For us it's time to make a decision do you stay ICE or ELECTRIC?

Im a petrol head at heart but lets not forget Hydrogen.... https://ssl.toyota.com/mirai/fcv.html
or the suitcase engine....
newatlas.com/nissan-zeod-rc-engine/30611/
i think there is always time for pivotal moments in automotive history to happen and surprise us,as is the way......who an tell?:thumbsup:

[invader166]

Im a petrol head at heart but lets not forget Hydrogen.... https://ssl.toyota.com/mirai/fcv.html
or the suitcase engine....
newatlas.com/nissan-zeod-rc-engine/30611/
i think there is always time for pivotal moments in automotive history to happen and surprise us,as is the way......who an tell?:thumbsup:

Hardly any hydrogen stations anywhere for that technology to take off.

Electric charging stations are more and more abundent though...

[junorico24]

Hardly any hydrogen stations anywhere for that technology to take off.

Electric charging stations are more and more abundent though...

Yup. Even here in Sydney we are seeing them there's one in my area.:thumbup:

[ern-diz]

More angle pics in the OC Auto Show 2017 album I created on Google Photos here (https://photos.app.goo.gl/bAbbiZLLQiVdu41s1).

[kimona]

Not a bad looking sedan, but too many superfluous design details for me, and the rear end reminds me of a Dodge.

[Kalispel]

More angle pics in the OC Auto Show 2017 album I created on Google Photos here (https://photos.app.goo.gl/bAbbiZLLQiVdu41s1).

My opinion: Overdesigned. Too flashy. Trying too hard. Clown car.

[kimona]

My opinion: Overdesigned. Too flashy. Trying too hard. Clown car.

^^^ This.


The ugly chrome things on the front fenders were the nail in the coffin for me.

[junorico24]

https://cnet2.cbsistatic.com/img/2hnXwBl7VFpNVnNHp70ev2sH13A=/770x433/2017/07/13/6bf518ba-b78a-49e3-9cac-c4b25a24ccfe/27-hyundai-i30n-i30-n-elantra.jpg

Don't forget guys the i30 N is coming out in Australia in the first quarter of next year. America wont get it tho..

[junorico24]

Not a bad looking sedan, but too many superfluous design details for me, and the rear end reminds me of a Dodge.

It's a fastback. It's a hatchback in a sedan body. I am not a fan of SEDANS.


Make a proper hatch with a manual gearbox KIA..

[ern-diz]

You all know I'm not a Kia/Hyundai fan, but 365 bhp and 0-60 in 4.7 seconds is always going to be an attention grabber.

Still, I agree that it doesn't look all that good (to me), doesn't feel as solid when opening/closing doors, etc., and it had a strange, almost matte/flat red interior that was both overkill and didn't really match well with the bright, glossy red paint.

It did have a nice steering wheel, despite the strange, Bugatti knockoff feeling emblem in the center of it.

[Mattstr]

This red Kia babe is gorgeous :w00t:

[Lux]

YES. I posted a thread about this.I feel that the ICE engine is on it's last legs.Electric is the future and we are already seeing companies heading in that direction.There is a shift towards electrifying vehicles. It's a bit too little too late for Mazda and the South Koreans. But we can still enjoy the ICE engine for at least a few more years even though it's will be a dying breed. I would say 10 year max the engine as we know it will gradually become less as electric zero emission vehicles takes it's place.That's my prediction, but i am no nastradamus.

For us it's time to make a decision do you stay ICE or ELECTRIC?
Near-total electrification is the future, no matter what. It's just not as near as some automakers and their faithful followers are speculating. Remember: these companies need to paint an optimistic projection to shareholders. Even if that expectation is often implausible.

Automobile electrification is the future because the automobile is used, chiefly, for commuting to work. Think 50 km or less per day. Fleet use and leisure are what exceed your typical 250 km maximum range, for which your options are range extension (a network of charging stations or gigantic battery capacity) or internal combustion engine to supplement or recharge the electric driveline.

Internal combustion is here to stay, even if only in a perpetually diminishing presence. There will always be a requirement for fossil-fuelled transportation. You are not going to see, for instance, marine transport electrify. The battery and solar panel superstructure needed to sustain trans-pacific shipping voyage would be completely impractical, if not impossible. Marine would be better off going nuclear.

[Kalispel]

Electric plug-in vehicles just aren't practical for people who live in apartments and/or don't park in a dedicated garage - which is a lot of people.

Hybrids would be much more popular than they are today, if automakers like Toyota opted to release normal looking (aka decent looking) hybrid cars in the U.S. market, instead of their various fugly Prius abominations. I would already own a Yaris (or Auris) hybrid if either were actually sold in the U.S.

[junorico24]

Near-total electrification is the future, no matter what. It's just not as near as some automakers and their faithful followers are speculating. Remember: these companies need to paint an optimistic projection to shareholders. Even if that expectation is often implausible.

Automobile electrification is the future because the automobile is used, chiefly, for commuting to work. Think 50 km or less per day. Fleet use and leisure are what exceed your typical 250 km maximum range, for which your options are range extension (a network of charging stations or gigantic battery capacity) or internal combustion engine to supplement or recharge the electric driveline.

Internal combustion is here to stay, even if only in a perpetually diminishing presence. There will always be a requirement for fossil-fuelled transportation. You are not going to see, for instance, marine transport electrify. The battery and solar panel superstructure needed to sustain trans-pacific shipping voyage would be completely impractical, if not impossible. Marine would be better off going nuclear.

You are absolutely spot on. Right on the money.

Even me i still can't ween myself off internal combustion engine just yet.

Hyundai and KIA still not producing the car that appeals to me.

Kia Stinger. I just saw it in person briefly but it was the showroom car so i couldn't scrutinize it. It didn't look eye catching in person. Then comes the price 50k for a 2ltr and 60K for the TT6. No thanks. Plus it's automatic.

Hyundai i30N. Nice car again. The reviews are great. But it's FWD and whilst it has the room for me and my 2 important others (wife and kid). I just want a real sports car.

Electric cars are over priced. The Nissan leaf is coming out probably the cheapest EV on the market and it's 50K Aussie dollars for one. No way!

But Toyota has the car a fun car RWD Toyota 86 that i want. What put me off it was the back seats. But i think i can make it work.

[junorico24]

KIA SPORTAGE 2016 Diesel AWD update.

60 000 KM on the clock.

Still no dramas. Bullet proof so far..:iono:

Hope i don't jinx myself.

The only thing that concerns me is the long intervals between service. 15K km between service. I think it's too long. Maybe KIA have so much confidence in their products..I am happy with the car. Been reliable. Just wish it was a bit more fun to drive. But it's not bad.

:thumbsup:

[ern-diz]

KIA SPORTAGE 2016 Diesel AWD update.

60 000 KM on the clock.

Still no dramas. Bullet proof so far..:iono:

Hope i don't jinx myself.

The only thing that concerns me is the long intervals between service. 15K km between service. I think it's too long. Maybe KIA have so much confidence in their products..I am happy with the car. Been reliable. Just wish it was a bit more fun to drive. But it's not bad.

:thumbsup:

Very nice; thanks for the update. 60k KM on the clock is a good bit.

[junorico24]

Very nice; thanks for the update. 60k KM on the clock is a good bit.

Mate..At the start everyone is like DO NOT GET A KIA.

It's too unreliable. So i was like, Hmmmm, really?

F it I i'll get one and find out if all this fuss is true..

It's all BS! :thumbdown:

[Whiplash]

KIA SPORTAGE 2016 Diesel AWD update.

60 000 KM on the clock.

Still no dramas. Bullet proof so far..:iono:

Hope i don't jinx myself.

The only thing that concerns me is the long intervals between service. 15K km between service. I think it's too long. Maybe KIA have so much confidence in their products..I am happy with the car. Been reliable. Just wish it was a bit more fun to drive. But it's not bad.

:thumbsup:

This is why I gave my 2014 Forte SX to my dad...it was perfectly reliable, and a great daily driver. But it was so boring to drive. My dad is very happy with it.

[ern-diz]

Mate..At the start everyone is like DO NOT GET A KIA.

It's too unreliable. So i was like, Hmmmm, really?

F it I i'll get one and find out if all this fuss is true..

It's all BS! :thumbdown:

Yeah, I hear what you're saying, but I was one of those people lol. I shared a link earlier in this thread about a recall on Hyundai engines. Not an ancillary system, but the actual engines fail due to metal shavings, if I remember correctly. To say they are built as well and are as trouble free as Toyota and Honda's offerings wouldn't be completely accurate, in my opinion. I must admit they've come a long way, I actually like the styling of the Veloster, but they're still not cars I'm interested in spending my money on.

[junorico24]

Update.

It's 76 000 KM no dramas she's purring along very smooth to drive. No dramas with the engine and gearbox. The only drama was human error ummm Mrs hit the letter box and dented the front left panel. I removed the wheel well cover and pushed the dint back out and it's all good. She already crashed it a year ago pushed the front in. Lucky no chassis buckle just the radiator and front bumper damaged. What can you do? Not the car's fault. It's a woman driver!!! KIA is good so far. Just needs to add a bit of fun to drive to their car line up and I can definitely recommend their products to anyone.

[Hamster]

I've also heard that KIA has been becoming more and more reliable. Give them time, and they might be just as reliable as Japanese cars.

[ern-diz]

What can you do? Not the car's fault. It's a woman driver!!!

:biggrin: I love seeing stuff like this because I'm a grade A ball breaker, but you gotta be careful these days because you make the wrong joke around the wrong person and next thing you know, you find yourself me too'd :laugh:

[Lukama_jr]

Good people you are.
please help, im from east africa, Tanzania, own my little guy kia sportage 2000 year. im looking for sensors, airflow sensor, and other two.. i will send them right when i get back home. any reliable site that sell or store, will be glad to hear. thank you.

[kimona]

I've test driven most of the Hyundai (and a few of the Kia) lineup... and I liked most of the models.

However, IMHO, there are far too many customer complaints about the vehicles as well as miserable customer service, and far too many recalls for engine defects, failures, and fire risk to even consider a Hyundai or Kia... at any price.

[ern-diz]

Good people you are.
please help, im from east africa, Tanzania, own my little guy kia sportage 2000 year. im looking for sensors, airflow sensor, and other two.. i will send them right when i get back home. any reliable site that sell or store, will be glad to hear. thank you.

Some of the guys here might be able to help, but I think you would find a lot more info on the Kia forum :thumbsup:

[Hamster]

:biggrin: I love seeing stuff like this because I'm a grade A ball breaker, but you gotta be careful these days because you make the wrong joke around the wrong person and next thing you know, you find yourself me too'd :laugh:

It's so unfortunate that people are so dang sensitive these days with their fake outrage. By the way, I am female, and I find jokes about bad women drivers hilarious. Because there's some truth to those jokes! There's nothing more dangerous than a soccer mom in an SUV. I live within a short walking distance to a shopping center, and I walk over to the grocery store there a couple times a week. I can't tell you how many times I've nearly gotten hit by a "busy mom" in a SUV who's too busy to yield to a pedestrian when I'm crossing the street to get to the shopping center. It's scary. When you're on foot, you have no steel cage or airbags to protect you. Male drivers have always yielded to me when I have the right of way as a pedestrian.

[Whiplash]

Over here is mostly soccer moms in minivans since they are made here. Dads as well, but they spring for a RAM.

[ern-diz]

It's so unfortunate that people are so dang sensitive these days with their fake outrage. By the way, I am female, and I find jokes about bad women drivers hilarious. Because there's some truth to those jokes! There's nothing more dangerous than a soccer mom in an SUV. I live within a short walking distance to a shopping center, and I walk over to the grocery store there a couple times a week. I can't tell you how many times I've nearly gotten hit by a "busy mom" in a SUV who's too busy to yield to a pedestrian when I'm crossing the street to get to the shopping center. It's scary. When you're on foot, you have no steel cage or airbags to protect you. Male drivers have always yielded to me when I have the right of way as a pedestrian.

I tip my hat to ya for not living that recreational outrage life! :clap:

[Hamster]

ern-diz I'm not a sensitive snowflake. LOL! It's so annoying that these sensitive snowflakes get their panties in a wad over everything. They're total control freaks. It's like you can't make an off-color joke or wear a funny Halloween costume anymore. And if you do, they'll start crying and posting hashtags on their Facebook accounts.

[junorico24]

She crashed it again. Hit a bunch of shopping carts at the mall. In the smash repairs. Looks like I'm gonna have to hire a car.

Those darth vader looking Yaris it is. I miss driving manual so I'd go with manual this time.

[suprf1y]

My mom is on her second Kia Soul and loves it.

I was car shopping for my wife a few years ago and looking at a Kia Koup, so I asked a buddy who is in the repair industry, and has owned a number of Kia's. He said they're fine cars for for the money but at about 100k the repairs will start.

I didn't want to take the chance and bought something else.

[junorico24]

YO! they didn't have a YARIS.

But I got something better a Camry Hybrid.

These things are revelation. It's Amazeball.

Quiet AF and smooth. I haven't smiled in a while driving a car until i got in this one.

[Whiplash]

Almost anything will make you smile after driving a yaris.

[Leegamer]

Almost anything will make you smile after driving a yaris.

Anything is fun to drive if you're brave enough.

[Whiplash]

^Yes for sure.

[justanotherdrunk]

even an old Buick LeSabre



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[kimona]

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[06YarisRS]

even an old Buick LeSabre



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Totally reminds me of my teen years. :biggrin: I got airborne in a couple vehicles. The two that achieved the greatest altitude were my parents' VW van and a neighbour's '69 Olds Cutlass. Also managed - and I don't know how - to drive on two wheels (passenger side wheels) for at least 100m in the VW van. Those were the days! :laugh:

[zoidberg444]

even an old Buick LeSabre

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:eek:

Only 4 wheeled vehicle i have ever been off the road in was a 1.7 Diesel Vauxhall Astra. It was a work car. Late at night. I was on a callout barrelling down a country road at... well... At least 60mph and then out of nowhere is a roundabout and i went sailing right over it into the air and landed some distance down the road. There were ugly tyres marks on the grass bank. The car landed hard, lots of crunch and tyre squeal. Kept it on the road though. What can i say. I think many years of mis-spent youth playing Grand Theft Auto prepared me.

I'm not sure if i did any permanent damage to the car. It was a wreck anyway. Used to spew black smoke and It was on its 2nd gearbox and had done 178,000 miles when i did that. I think the engine threw a rod a few weeks after that.

[ern-diz]

GTA for the win

[kimona]

Hyundai and Kia recall 500,000 cars over fire issues:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/hyundai-kia-recall-500000-cars-over-fire-concerns/ar-BBUdoY6?ocid=spartanntp

[KALISPEL II]

Hyundai and Kia recall 500,000 cars over fire issues:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/hyundai-kia-recall-500000-cars-over-fire-concerns/ar-BBUdoY6?ocid=spartanntp

I'm starting to think longer-term reliable vehicles are a thing of the past, as automakers now scamble to cram loads of 'cutting edge' tech-bloat into cars for the purpose of one-upping the competition on a comparison chart of features. These cars will NOT age well for purposes of low mainteance costs or need for repair. But then, automakers (& banks) would love for everyone to buy an overpriced new car on credit every 3-7 years - and perpetually stay in auto-loan/lease debt.

Even on a very basic level, think about how limited your new car options are today if you don't want a likely-problematic straight-GDI, Turbo or a push-belt CVT in your car.

[junorico24]

Hyundai and Kia recall 500,000 cars over fire issues:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/hyundai-kia-recall-500000-cars-over-fire-concerns/ar-BBUdoY6?ocid=spartanntp

Any recalls on 2016 and up KIA'S? Should I buy a fire extinguisher?
:eyebulge:

[bairjo]

My daughter as a 2014 Accent with 95,000 miles on it. I decided to do a transmission drain and fill and coolant drain and fill PM for her. If you are considering a Hyundai, beware that you will have a terrible time looking up information regarding part numbers. I even called Hyundai customer service USA so I can talk to a person and get a transmission level plug gasket part number so i can order one on line. After being on hold for over 5 minutes, they could not supply me with a part number. I gave them the VIN# but that wasn't enough for them to find the part number. They suggested I take the car to the dealer so they could see the car. So that is what I had to do. Also, I had to call the dealer regarding the process of checking the fluid level since there is no dip stick. I called two different dealers and got two different answers on how it is done. Very frustrating dealing with Hyundai.:thumbdown:

[Hrle]

Well i have one that i am satisfied :thumbup:

[Whiplash]

^Looks good.

[junorico24]

Update:

91k Kms.

Still no dramas. Only thing I don't like is the brakes and it's vague to drive. The reliability side is a no issue. I like the brakes on the Toyota it's progressive. This thing takes longer to come to a stop. If you know what I mean. Also how it handles speed humps is not as plush.My main issue is the brakes maybe because a year ago I started left foot braking lol. Kia needs to improve the driving feel and brakes on this and i would be happy with it.

I think Toyota is better I recently drove the corolla 2018 model that thing drove magnificent. Heavy steering feel. Car feels planted and the brakes you touch it and it grabs and slows the car down with out much effort. I like that more. More my style and pleasant to drive around town where someone stop abruptly you are confident this thing will stop on a dime.


Would we buy another KIA? NO!! I think we are trading for a Mazda lol.

[ern-diz]

Interesting feedback. Thanks for coming back and updating.