Swaybar for regular driving?

[Pinchlite]

I can afford to get one of these know,but is it really worth it for me?

I know what a swaybar does and how the physical principals work.

It will cost about $400.00 CAD and want to know if for a regular daily driver will I notice anything substantial.

Thanks for any and all opinions feedback.

Car is lowerd 1.5 BTW running 205/50/R16 ( Michelin PILOT SPORT A/S 3+)

[tmontague]

Since the rear axle is solid beam, it is not really anti roll bar type sway bar like most are. So the results aren't going to be as dramatic or worth it like a typical sway bar.

IMO I think that money could be better spent on performance shocks/struts to match your springs. This greatly increased the handling on your car especially at high speeds.

The sway bar is a good mod but for $400 and just regular non spirited daily driving you wont notice a big difference, just a bit more stability in the highway. If you drive hard and cornered hard during your drive then I'd say it's worth it

[Rigaud]

Sway bar is a must and first item you should invest in on these cars. It's a day and night difference going straight on the highway. No more floating. I paid mine $285.00 shipped in hand CDN.

[Pinchlite]

Sway bar is a must and first item you should invest in on these cars. It's a day and night difference going straight on the highway. No more floating. I paid mine $285.00 shipped in hand CDN.

May I ask where ($285.00 shipped in hand CDN)and what brand bar...whiteline,TRD?

[dogsridewith]

Since the rear axle is solid beam, it is not really anti roll bar type sway bar like most are. So the results aren't going to be as dramatic or worth it like a typical sway bar.

IMO I think that money could be better spent on performance shocks/struts to match your springs. This greatly increased the handling on your car especially at high speeds.

The sway bar is a good mod but for $400 and just regular non spirited daily driving you wont notice a big difference, just a bit more stability in the highway. If you drive hard and cornered hard during your drive then I'd say it's worth itAnother post indicating fundamental mis-understanding of the Yaris/Tercel/Rabbit rear suspension. (That "solid beam" is soft in torsion) The Y/T/R rear suspension is IRS with integral sway bar function. Another way to describe is that the sway bar serves locating function...where one or more lateral links or A-frames serves only locating (no spring) function. Another example of this is TRUE Mcpherson strut front suspension (in circa 1980 Mazda GLC), where a sort of normal heavy looking front sway bar locates the bottom of the strut/spindle carrier...thereby serving both locationg and springing functions in one piece.
So, Yaris has anti-sway at both ends.
91 fwd Corolla Wagon has no anti-sway, and softer spring rates. Works fine in all driving I've done. Just doesn't feel like a go-cart. Maybe better than Yaris on the high-crown gravel roads. (If anything I could see adding some light anti-sway at this Corolla's rear only for better peg-leg-differential traction.)
Corolla got a version of this suspension after Tercel. (Stated reason was improved trunk space.) A circa 2005 one I saw had a visible solid bar inside a U-shaped channel for the cross beam. Tercel had just the U. I think rabbit had a T-section. Looks like yaris has a closed tube in a shape that is relatively soft in torsion?

[NYC-SE]

Another post indicating fundamental mis-understanding of the Yaris/Tercel/Rabbit rear suspension. (That "solid beam" is soft in torsion) The Y/T/R rear suspension is IRS with integral sway bar function. Another way to describe is that the sway bar serves locating function...where one or more lateral links or A-frames serves only locating (no spring) function. Another example of this is TRUE Mcpherson strut front suspension (in circa 1980 Mazda GLC), where a sort of normal heavy looking front sway bar locates the bottom of the strut/spindle carrier...thereby serving both locationg and springing functions in one piece.
So, Yaris has anti-sway at both ends.
91 fwd Corolla Wagon has no anti-sway, and softer spring rates. Works fine in all driving I've done. Just doesn't feel like a go-cart. Maybe better than Yaris on the high-crown gravel roads. (If anything I could see adding some light anti-sway at this Corolla's rear only for better peg-leg-differential traction.)
Corolla got a version of this suspension after Tercel. (Stated reason was improved trunk space.) A circa 2005 one I saw had a visible solid bar inside a U-shaped channel for the cross beam. Tercel had just the U. I think rabbit had a T-section. Looks like yaris has a closed tube in a shape that is relatively soft in torsion?

This is the second time you have posted this (previously in a different thread) and you are still wrong. The Yaris DOES NOT have IRS, nor does the Yaris have an integral rear sway bar. I don't know where your getting this from but it simply is not true.

[NYC-SE]

To the OP, I think the TRD rear sway bar is a fantastic mod, really improves the handling in daily driving. Having said that however I only spent $180 US on mine. At $400 CAD I would be hesitant about the purchase. I would keep looking for a better price. Used ones show up here every now and then also.

[WeeYari]

It really sucks for us not having a Canadian supplier. Best I could find this morning was $146 USD new. Add in the $105 to $126 USD for shipping, plus exchange rate and yeah, we are north of $350 CDN to get a new one in our hands.

Sent from my Elite_5_5_Octa using Tapatalk

[dogsridewith]

This is the second time you have posted this (previously in a different thread) and you are still wrong. The Yaris DOES NOT have IRS, nor does the Yaris have an integral rear sway bar. I don't know where your getting this from but it simply is not true.
I wrote "integral swaybar FUNCTION." Show any source calling this type of rear suspension not IRS. Or describing it as "solid beam."

[tmontague]

Show any source calling this type of rear suspension not IRS. Or describing it as "solid beam."

The responsibility of finding a source would land on you. The yaris lacks any type of rear control arms and both rear wheels are attached through a solid h style axle.

Making a statement for the second time of Yaris' having independent rear suspension would require a source on your part to support your claim as it goes against what an irs set up looks and functions like.

Lets keep the thread on topic for the op, if you want to discuss your interpretation of the rear suspension then by all means do so, but on your own thread

[dogsridewith]

....both rear wheels are attached through a solid h style axle.

The cross-the-car part of this piece isn't "solid". It is torsionally soft to do what a sway bar does. You might say it replaces separate trailing arms, two lateral links and a sway bar with a single piece. That was VW's invention, and why Toyota uses it.
This is not off-topic. It will be fine for OP to know more about his suspension as he modifies it...particularly that it already includes some roll control.
(In a very crude search of the Yaris rear suspension, I'm finding the terms "torsion beam rear suspension," and "semi-independent rear suspension." The main thing is to understand how it works.)

[ern-diz]

The cross-the-car part of this piece isn't "solid". It is torsionally soft to do what a sway bar does. You might say it replaces separate trailing arms, two lateral links and a sway bar with a single piece. That was VW's invention, and why Toyota uses it.
This is not off-topic. It will be fine for OP to know more about his suspension as he modifies it...particularly that it already includes some roll control.
(In a very crude search of the Yaris rear suspension, I'm finding the terms "torsion beam rear suspension," and "semi-independent rear suspension." The main thing is to understand how it works.)

So, if I'm comprehending, you (like Jason, the gentleman that is 2 Yaris race builds deep and who appears to have the most Yaris track time logged) would vote against adding a sway bar, correct?

[tmontague]

yes, there is flex manufactured into the design so it doesn't ride hard like a traditional straight beam rear axle. Hence why the hubs are situation further back from the central cross the car beam, this allows said flex therefore allowances for each side to move slightly free of eachother.

As you stated, Toyotas own term for it is "torsion beam". Allowing some flex in a rear axle does not constitute it as an independant rear suspension design and calling it so confuses many such as the op who still is trying to better understand the suspension in his Yaris.

[Exiwolfman]

I can afford to get one of these know,but is it really worth it for me?

I know what a swaybar does and how the physical principals work.

It will cost about $400.00 CAD and want to know if for a regular daily driver will I notice anything substantial.

Thanks for any and all opinions feedback.

Car is lowerd 1.5 BTW running 205/50/R16 ( Michelin PILOT SPORT A/S 3+)

trd at any toyota is 275 canadian

[sickpuppy1]

So, to answer your question. IMO, yes, its worth it. I noticed it in a few areas of daily driving. ON/off ramps, substantially less body roll. Switchbacks, like lane changes feel more stable. And cross winds on the highway do not push the car around as much as it used to.
Having lowering springs does take care of some body roll,so that part of it wouldnt be as pronounced. If you like to drive in a "spirited" fashion then you'd like it. If you drive more "grandma" like or normal run of the mill drivers,then it may not be a good investment. The swaybar is for people who like to push the car a little at times.

[dogsridewith]

So, if I'm comprehending, you (like Jason, the gentleman that is 2 Yaris race builds deep and who appears to have the most Yaris track time logged) would vote against adding a sway bar, correct?
Yes, for what I do with the car...it already feels like a go cart to me, and I want something that drives great on choppy off-camber tertiary roads, high crown gravel, and when you have to drop a wheel over the edge trap because something big oncoming is using most of the pavement.
For auto-crossing w/ pegleg differential, more rear swaybar would give more fwd traction.

[Kalispel]

So, to answer your question. IMO, yes, its worth it. I noticed it in a few areas of daily driving. ON/off ramps, substantially less body roll. Switchbacks, like lane changes feel more stable. And cross winds on the highway do not push the car around as much as it used to.
Having lowering springs does take care of some body roll,so that part of it wouldnt be as pronounced. If you like to drive in a "spirited" fashion then you'd like it. If you drive more "grandma" like or normal run of the mill drivers,then it may not be a good investment. The swaybar is for people who like to push the car a little at times.

:thumbsup: +1

I drove my 2015 manual SE around for almost a year as a daily driver without a rear-sway-bar, and immediately noticed the stability differences in situations like what you mention once the TRD Rear-Sway-Bar was installed. On a factory/stock-OEM suspension/spring type setup, it is the best bang-for-your buck mod that you can make to a Yaris IMO. Perhaps not so much once the car is lowered and suspension-tuned for aftermarket racing-style performance.

[Pinchlite]

trd at any toyota is 275 canadian

Toyota midland says they cannot get TRD swaybar.Even if they could 275 CAD is a good price,best I have heard as of yet.

[Exiwolfman]

Toyota midland says they cannot get TRD swaybar.Even if they could 275 CAD is a good price,best I have heard as of yet.
Try Toyota Canada in Toronto it's where they are shipped from or any other Toyota dealership

Sent from my SM-G930W8 using Tapatalk

[Pinchlite]

Try Toyota Canada in Toronto it's where they are shipped from or any other Toyota dealership

Sent from my SM-G930W8 using Tapatalk

I will call monday.Hopefully I can pick it up.

Thanks for the info.

[Exiwolfman]

I will call monday.Hopefully I can pick it up.

Thanks for the info.
It's the one in Scarborough by the 401 ...it's the headquarters

Sent from my SM-G930W8 using Tapatalk

[Pinchlite]

It's the one in Scarborough by the 401 ...it's the headquarters

Sent from my SM-G930W8 using Tapatalk

I will look it up.Thanks again.

[Pinchlite]

It's the one in Scarborough by the 401 ...it's the headquarters

Sent from my SM-G930W8 using Tapatalk

Got one from ebay for $290 CAD including ship and import fees.

I will have tuesday and will install asap..hopefully after work?

Cant wait and thanks for reply/s.

Cant believe I found one on ebay for such small ship charge($20.00 CAD)As you probaly know ebay has some good prices but shipping often throws the price way,way up.Bar came from florida btw.

[IllusionX]

Oh wow I paid mine 160$ a couple years ago. I'm not sure if I got it from eBay or TRDSparks.

Sent from my SM-G930W8 using Tapatalk

[Pinchlite]

Oh wow I paid mine 160$ a couple years ago. I'm not sure if I got it from eBay or TRDSparks.

Sent from my SM-G930W8 using Tapatalk

sparks would have been as much after curency conversion,duties and ship.

[invader166]

Got one from ebay for $290 CAD including ship and import fees.

I will have tuesday and will install asap..hopefully after work?

Cant wait and thanks for reply/s.

Cant believe I found one on ebay for such small ship charge($20.00 CAD)As you probaly know ebay has some good prices but shipping often throws the price way,way up.Bar came from florida btw.

You got ripped off bro. :laugh:

For $40 more you could have gotten a heavy duty Whiteline unit.

http://www.tdotperformance.ca/whiteline-btr86z-sway-bar-22mm-heavy-duty-blade-adjustable.html

[Pinchlite]

You got ripped off bro. :laugh:

For $40 more you could have gotten a heavy duty Whiteline unit.

http://www.tdotperformance.ca/whiteline-btr86z-sway-bar-22mm-heavy-duty-blade-adjustable.html

Getting ripped off is nothing new to me so no biggie.

As long as it does what it claims to do I will be satisfied.

[justjesus]

I'm curious to know your feedback after the install.

I had my 2008 lowered on MI Springs, Tokico Blues (up front only), and one of the bigger rear anti-roll bars. Car felt pretty good.

I've since put the stock springs back on, on Tokico Reds, and no rear bar. No where near as fun, but still fun. I take long "sweeper" on ramps and a pretty good speed. I think, the biggest difference will come in the form of like, slalom, where quick left/right transitions will take place. That's also something that could possibly be handled by stiffer springs, though.

I don't regret losing my rear bar. In the future, if I lower it again, I may not even look to get another bar. Pretty sure.

But let us know what you think! :)

[tmontague]

I'm curious to know your feedback after the install.

I had my 2008 lowered on MI Springs, Tokico Blues (up front only), and one of the bigger rear anti-roll bars. Car felt pretty good.

I've since put the stock springs back on, on Tokico Reds, and no rear bar. No where near as fun, but still fun. I take long "sweeper" on ramps and a pretty good speed. I think, the biggest difference will come in the form of like, slalom, where quick left/right transitions will take place. That's also something that could possibly be handled by stiffer springs, though.

I don't regret losing my rear bar. In the future, if I lower it again, I may not even look to get another bar. Pretty sure.

But let us know what you think! :)

I wonder what the OP thinks of it as well. I know for me the TRD rsb really helped the car rotate and bias more towards oversteer. This is due to the super soft rear MI spring I have relative to the front. It also helps that I have kYB struts up front and Tokiko blues in the rear

[Pinchlite]

I'm curious to know your feedback after the install.

I had my 2008 lowered on MI Springs, Tokico Blues (up front only), and one of the bigger rear anti-roll bars. Car felt pretty good.

I've since put the stock springs back on, on Tokico Reds, and no rear bar. No where near as fun, but still fun. I take long "sweeper" on ramps and a pretty good speed. I think, the biggest difference will come in the form of like, slalom, where quick left/right transitions will take place. That's also something that could possibly be handled by stiffer springs, though.

I don't regret losing my rear bar. In the future, if I lower it again, I may not even look to get another bar. Pretty sure.

But let us know what you think! :)

Had it installed for a few days(TRD bar)

Huge difference in my opinion.Some of my favourite long smooth turns I can take faster with less roll.Absolutely worth every penny and zero regrets.

The car just feels tighter overall.

[tmontague]

good stuff, glad you like it

[IllusionX]

I have the MicroImage lowering springs they are so stiff in the front, it's not drivable in the winter.

Corrected the severe understeer with a TRD rear sway bar.

Sent from my SM-G930W8 using Tapatalk

[Pinchlite]

I have the MicroImage lowering springs they are so stiff in the front, it's not drivable in the winter.

Corrected the severe understeer with a TRD rear sway bar.

Sent from my SM-G930W8 using Tapatalk

Now that i have the swaybar i think the front could be a little tighter.

Like I said it was instantly noticable and actually quite surprised on the improvement when turning.

[IllusionX]

I never had one with stock suspension. I bought mine because of the issue I had with understeer with my lowering springs.

Sent from my SM-G930W8 using Tapatalk

[Mattstr]

:smile:I agree with guys explanation: yes, its worth it.

[hairygityeti]

I can afford to get one of these know,but is it really worth it for me?

I know what a swaybar does and how the physical principals work.

It will cost about $400.00 CAD and want to know if for a regular daily driver will I notice anything substantial.

Thanks for any and all opinions feedback.

Car is lowerd 1.5 BTW running 205/50/R16 ( Michelin PILOT SPORT A/S 3+)

Second hand bars come hell of a lot cheaper starting from￡25 here in the UK

[sickpuppy1]

LOl, rear sway bars cause excessive tire wear, cause I'm pitching this thing into corners now!

[sickpuppy1]

Installed mine on stock springs and had it like that for at least a year before I put on the Tanabe DF210 springs. I'm cruisin lower but NOT slower....

[justjesus]

This is due to the super soft rear MI spring I have relative to the front. It also helps that I have kYB struts up front and Tokiko blues in the rear

Sounds like a decent & fun set up :) I wish I would have kept the MI springs. Oh well.

Had it installed for a few days(TRD bar)

Huge difference in my opinion.Some of my favourite long smooth turns I can take faster with less roll.Absolutely worth every penny and zero regrets.

The car just feels tighter overall.

Glad you like the end result :thumbup: