2018 Yaris - here they come

[justanotherdrunk]

last night autotrader showed 1 in the whole country

today autotrader shows 11 and all >2K miles away from me

at this rate maybe my local dealer will have one soon

my plan is to trade the '16 for an '18 as soon as they are available here and i can actually see it

and

if the dealer doesnt rape me too badly on the trade in. otherwise i will just sell the '16 myself


the yaris is my 2nd/ roadtrip car and this plan is completely independent of replacing the bmw i3 as my daily driver

still workin' on that

:smoking:

[thebarber]

Why trade in? You just lose money

[ern-diz]

If I'm not mistaken, he leases them for 2-3 yrs at a time.

[Kalispel]

last night autotrader showed 1 in the whole country

today autotrader shows 11 and all >2K miles away from me

at this rate maybe my local dealer will have one soon

my plan is to trade the '16 for an '18 as soon as they are available here and i can actually see it

and

if the dealer doesnt rape me too badly on the trade in. otherwise i will just sell the '16 myself


the yaris is my 2nd/ roadtrip car and this plan is completely independent of replacing the bmw i3 as my daily driver

still workin' on that

:smoking:

Those tacky/cheap-looking black inserts on the back bumper of the 2018 triggers my OCD. :thumbdown: I would have to have a local auto shop paint them to match the bumper color/finish, while leaving the reflector part intact of course. The ones on the current Honda Fit have the same effect on me. :barf:

[kimona]

Those tacky/cheap-looking black inserts on the back bumper of the 2018 triggers my OCD. :thumbdown: I would have to have a local auto shop paint them to match the bumper color/finish, while leaving the reflector part intact of course. The ones on the current Honda Fit have the same effect on me. :barf:

I have exactly the same feeling. I really dislike that new fad. And, it seems one car manufacturer is trying to outdo the other with bigger and bigger fake front and rear vents. Yuk!

[bradbowl]

I think the big whale mouth front end actually looks larger in the 2018 facelift. The Yaris has gone from bulbous and smiling, to angry and scowling. The engineers at Toyota must be in a bad mood to make all their new cars look this way.

[justanotherdrunk]

had a few experiences where i hated the pics of a car then seeing it in person it looked much better

we'll see

[justanotherdrunk]

some dealer pics of a 2018 LE

i think it looks pretty good

https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=461463684&zip=95126&referrer=%2Fcars-for-sale%2Fsearchresults.xhtml%3Fzip%3D95126%26showcas eOwnerId%3D81327%26startYear%3D2018%26sortBy%3Dder ivedpriceDESC%26incremental%3Dall%26firstRecord%3D 0%26endYear%3D2018%26modelCodeList%3DYARIS%26makeC odeList%3DTOYOTA%26searchRadius%3D0&startYear=2018&numRecords=25&firstRecord=0&endYear=2018&modelCodeList=YARIS&makeCodeList=TOYOTA&searchRadius=0&makeCode1=TOYOTA&modelCode1=YARIS

of course i would only buy an SE

[Kalispel]

some dealer pics of a 2018 LE

i think it looks pretty good

https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=461463684&zip=95126&referrer=%2Fcars-for-sale%2Fsearchresults.xhtml%3Fzip%3D95126%26showcas eOwnerId%3D81327%26startYear%3D2018%26sortBy%3Dder ivedpriceDESC%26incremental%3Dall%26firstRecord%3D 0%26endYear%3D2018%26modelCodeList%3DYARIS%26makeC odeList%3DTOYOTA%26searchRadius%3D0&startYear=2018&numRecords=25&firstRecord=0&endYear=2018&modelCodeList=YARIS&makeCodeList=TOYOTA&searchRadius=0&makeCode1=TOYOTA&modelCode1=YARIS

We will have to agree to disagree :tongue: - and that's from someone who actually likes the look of the SE version of the 2015-2017, overall (unlike most other people it would seem).

Stock L/LE trims just don't look right on these newer, crazier styles (2015+ Yaris) due to being stripped/watered-down on the exterior features/accessories.

Even the 2018 SE is a lackluster step back IMO, with the overdone LED DRL clown headlights, really overdone front grill, upside-down chrome fangs near the fog-lights, tacky black cutouts on rear bumper, and cheaped-out (non-LED unlike other markets), generic-looking rear tail-lights - and still no simple side mirror turn-signals, no simple OEM exhaust-tip, etc. Unlike the 2015-2017, the 2018 refresh now looks blatantly like a frog/fish (just like the iA & current Camry). Don't even get me started on the Toyota Stupid-Sense-C (for intoxicated, distracted & dementia drivers) that they shove down our throats at extra built-in price hikes on the base sticker price.

[Dodge Aries K]

Oh my lord they finally put the UK phone controls and radio in them. At least once people start crashing these I can get the phone controls easier than shipping them from the UK for my 2016.

The radio also has a "car" button so it will most likely have the fuel economy graphs like other Toyota's finally. Sad it lost the HD radio to gain that feature though...

[stykerdk]

I Think the European headlights with lLED stripes look much cooler.
But finally they have movef the rear wiper to the Window and center mounted it so it also have a funktion on LHD cars.
Just be happy it aint VW Or MB then you get both fake plastic exhaust in the bumper and fake Big engine Sound from a sound actuator.

Here is two of the new for sale in Denmark .
http://www.bilbasen.dk/brugt/bil/toyota/yaris/15-vvt-i-t2-premium-5d/3281245
http://www.bilbasen.dk/brugt/bil/toyota/yaris/15-hybrid-h2-exclusive-e-cvt-5d/3322617
And yes cars are highly taxed in Denmark.


Dodge A i wouldnt bet On that the new stearing wheel controlls works with the older models.
You Can also buy them on alibaba.
https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Steering-Wheel-Switch-For-TOYOTA-Yaris_1146041394.html
None at aliexpress at the moment.

[justanotherdrunk]

waiting for one to actually appear here at a dealer then decide if i want to trade the 16 for an 18

[tmontague]

What's with the price? $19 grand USD for a sub compact what happened to the original first gen where you could get it for $14 grand albeit a base model, but still

More crap in a car they tell us we need but very few actually do, all the while the prices creep up...

[invader166]

What's with the price? $19 grand USD for a sub compact what happened to the original first ten where youbcoukd get it for $14 grand albeit a base model, but still

More cheap is a car they tell us we need but very few actually do, all the while the prices creep up...

It's exactly what's putting me (and probably a lot of people) off from buying a newer Yaris. I just can't justify spending that much on a car of this class...

Then again, the opposite phenomenon is happening in Japan, where a sub-compact car like a Yaris can be more expensive then a sports car...

[ern-diz]

Sticker price on my '07 was basically $12,500.

[Kalispel]

The 2018 SE is almost $1000 more sticker than the 2015 SE was. I'm guessing that we can thank Toyota StupidSense C for that increase, since nothing else has changed mechanically.

[DarkShadowFox]

Im pretty irritated that they did exactly what I wanted them to do on the SE trim, Piano Gloss black interior accents Sport analog gauges on L and LE trims, Blue metallic and dual tone trim, 7.0" Touch Screen its making my 2015 look like a dinosaur compared to the new 2018. Irritated that they bring over the euro styling but not the entire GRMN package, why make a limited 1500 Run unit and offer nothing for it, no optional 2zr, supercharger suspension bits, etc. Okay yes I applaud them for bring over the sport ano but from guides on the forum I can just get one for 196 off of a toyota parts seller online, repin the plug, have the millage transfered over buy the sport seats from the SE for like 500 a piece install them hook up the airbags, get the rear spoiler, get the SE rear brakes to do a conversion, get the euro hybrid bumper and get the hybrid lights from amazon/ ebay, get the TRD Sp6 wheels from japan, the TRD supesnion bits the REbranded KYB shocks and still spend under 18 k and have the most unique car on the face of this planet.

A while back they also offered the TRD intake for the 2008- 2011 Yaris but that part is a rare find. Why are they still not offering the rear suspension or the TRD suspension pars like they did with scion. Doesnt toyota realize that inorder to bring more buyers to the yaris you need to offer more then standard features and add some performance bits. Like Id buy a yaris if I could bold on warranties TRD parts, Dont really understand why toyota doesnt atleast follow suit and start offering off market parts that are avail overseas for the VITZ but I mean thats just me doing my research. People in america just see it as an 18,250 USD throwaway car. Its appaling how much these cars have support and young kids just buy them as their first car like the XB and the XA, or eldery and then I look on carmax or used places and I see 2015. 2016 yarises mostly 4 doors with like 26k miles, Astounding,

anyways, thats my piece on it, I probably ranted a lot.

[bradbowl]

The local dealers in CA are offering some very good deals on base model (L) 2017 Yarii to clear the path for the 2018's. I was offered $13,100 + tax/fees/etc in Sacramento. I bought my first Yaris in Nov 2006 (base model) for for around $12k so that isn't too far off.

I agree that it's a shame we don't get the performance hot hatch version here.

[toad]

^that's a pretty good price for 2017 if you're talking about the regular Yaris and not the iA. There were only two in my whole city that weren't iAs and they wanted almost $18,000 for just the L trim! I'm sure the price could have been negotiated lower, but not $5,000 lower.

For comparison my 07(auto) sedan was $15,000ish and the bare-bones 08(manual) lift back was less than $13,000.

[bradbowl]

^that's a pretty good price for 2017 if you're talking about the regular Yaris and not the iA. There were only two in my whole city that weren't iAs and they wanted almost $18,000 for just the L trim! I'm sure the price could have been negotiated lower, but not $5,000 lower.

For comparison my 07(auto) sedan was $15,000ish and the bare-bones 08(manual) lift back was less than $13,000.

Yep, the Yaris hatchback (not iA), L trim level, 3 door, with automatic transmission. There's only a few left and I think the 5 door model is more desirable among the general public, hence the large markdown.

My wife can't stand that front end, so we passed. She said, "it's so hideous that it's kinda cute, but still hideous." Haha! :laugh:

[DarkShadowFox]

^that's a pretty good price for 2017 if you're talking about the regular Yaris and not the iA. There were only two in my whole city that weren't iAs and they wanted almost $18,000 for just the L trim! I'm sure the price could have been negotiated lower, but not $5,000 lower.

For comparison my 07(auto) sedan was $15,000ish and the bare-bones 08(manual) lift back was less than $13,000.

I dont get why they try to markup an economy car brand, esp an L model, thats hosing. 18,xxx should get you a new SE, fully loaded spoiler, wheel locks carpet mats, etc. 18k for an L is like asking 18k for a broom without a brush.

[justanotherdrunk]

as of today there are only 22 2018 Yaris for sale on autotrader in the whole country and none anywhere near me and only 1 SE (the only model i would actually buy) with dealer pics displayed

hate the 2 tone paint and dont care for the grey SE wheels

its not looking good so far but i will reserve judgement until i see it in person



https://photos.smugmug.com/Other/MISC-stuff/i-CRNkPNZ/0/c15f33df/O/835782669e3546aa951bd664ce38a800%20%281%29.jpg

https://photos.smugmug.com/Other/MISC-stuff/i-jmdW3wG/0/ed4909b1/O/adbfc6dbba5f43e6a2f81c3aa405435b.jpg

:iono:

[kimona]

^^^ Front end is hideous. Two-tone paint scheme makes no sense. Those directional wheels in any colour are fugly... and the Bridgestone Turanza tyres are crap.

[NYC-SE]

^^^ Front end is hideous. Two-tone paint scheme makes no sense. Those directional wheels in any colour are fugly... and the Bridgestone Turanza tyres are crap.

Don't hold back Kimona. Tell us how you really feel.

[kimona]

^^^ Oh, probably too strong, eh? Sorry.

Ummm... The 2018 design is not really my cup of tea.

[ern-diz]

^^^ Oh, probably too strong, eh? Sorry.

Ummm... The 2018 design is not really my cup of tea.

Haha, not too strong at all. I'm sure NY was just bustin' your chops lol.

[NYC-SE]

Haha, not too strong at all. I'm sure NY was just bustin' your chops lol.

Yep. For the record I find the 2018 aesthetically unpleasing as well.

[bradbowl]

Yep. For the record I find the 2018 aesthetically unpleasing as well.

"Aesthetically unpleasing" is a very nice way of saying it. :thumbsup:

I do agree with justanotherdrunk that when I saw the 2017 Yaris in person, it didn't look as bad to me as in the pictures. But then again, I don't really want to buy a car that "doesn't look as bad to me as in the pictures." :laugh:

Lots of people must like the whale/frog-like front end design or Toyota wouldn't have adopted it throughout their vehicle lineup.

[Kalispel]

Yep. For the record I find the 2018 aesthetically unpleasing as well.

As someone who likes the unorthodox styling look of the 2015-2017 (SE equipped version only), I still find the 2018 front to be overdone and taken to a new, unsavory extreme. It definitely has that frog/fish look to it now - something I don't see when looking at the 2015-2017 version Yaris (which reminds me more of a spunky little cute mammal-rodent, if anything).

For very nearly the same price, you can pick up an iM, which has everything the Yaris SE does (minus the oddly overlooked fog lights - WTH Toyota?), plus lots of other things neglected from the Yaris SE - such as side-mirror blinkers, power-folding mirrors, stainless-steel exhaust tip, nicely integrated & attractive rear-bumper reflectors, Nice looking LED tail lights, Nicer climate control system, Nicer interior materials/features in general, larger cargo area, better suspension setup, color-matched shark-fin antenna, etc. etc.

[justanotherdrunk]

saw this today while takin' the wife to the beauty parlor

https://photos.smugmug.com/Other/MISC-stuff/i-zLg9fH8/0/66867e63/L/20170715_101424-L.jpg

https://photos.smugmug.com/Other/MISC-stuff/i-7kwBjWn/0/6f4dfa2f/L/20170715_101444-L.jpg

[kimona]

^^^ Minus the ground effects add-ons, the ugly spoiler, and the juvenile directional wheels, it's a very nice little car... and with dealer discounts and rebates, it will probably be cheaper than a fully equipped Yaris.

Wish it were available in basic trim in the US.

[Kalispel]

^^^ Minus the ground effects add-ons, the ugly spoiler, and the juvenile directional wheels, it's a very nice little car... and with dealer discounts and rebates, it will probably be cheaper than a fully equipped Yaris.

Wish it were available in basic trim in the US.

Yeah, the ground effects kit (and big (though optional) rear spoiler) is a bit over the top and clearly aimed at teenagers and younger drivers. Now that the iM isn't a 'one option only' Scion anymore, Toyota should break it up into an LE (No skirt kit, perhaps more conservative/traditional variant front-end) and SE (the way it is now).

Also, not sure what is up with those newer 'upside down' looking headlights. They look sort of weird to me.

I'm not a huge fan of that directional wheel design either. I would prefer something like along the lines of the old Matrix XRS wheels. Those were SEXY.

https://priuschat.com/attachments/screen-shot-2011-02-03-at-5-56-22-pm-png.28125/

[kimona]

^^^ Toyota Australia offers the Corolla (iM) Hatchback in 5 different trims:

http://www.toyota.com.au/corolla

[Kalispel]

^^^ Toyota Australia offers the Corolla (iM) Hatchback in 5 different trims:

http://www.toyota.com.au/corolla

And of course, they have the cooler LED headlights and factory fog-lights, in the upper trim levels. I really really hate the U.S. car market, lol.

http://www.toyota.com.au/corolla/~/media/toyota/vehicles/corolla/images/accessories-360/vehicles/hatch-zr-d0/blue-gem/033.png?w=800&hash=E92E4EFF24A7C05FE60E0B089A13FA46C6F586DE

[kevinj93]

We have 3 trim levels available her in Australia.

Bqse model only has 2NZ-FE engine. Top of line ZR gets bi-led headlamps and factory alloy wheels. Thankfully, the Toyota Saftey Sense is optional on all trim levels, so you aren't stuck with it.

[kimona]

^^^ According to Toyota Australia's website, the car is available in the following trims, and alll I can think is LUCKY!

Ascent
Ascent Sport
Hybrid Hatch
SX Hatch
ZR Hatch

[enviri]

i hate the corolla/IM interior dash too much. HATE IT. The corolla has some funky foil lookin side mirrors that look cheap as all hell... does the iM have the same crap? dunno. prolly does.

[ern-diz]

I'm 38, far from a teenager, and I think the body kit makes the car look far more stout and appealing. Looks somewhat dinky and wonky without it. That color mix of highlighter and mustard yellow on the other hand...

[DarkShadowFox]

Not A Fan Of The IM and its ugly rims. Toyota stopped making nice rims after the XR trim for the Matrix in thr bubbly " '09 " generation trim.

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[justanotherdrunk]

well this morning theres 1 SE only 379 miles away in vegas

gettin' closer!

[justanotherdrunk]

i have no problem with the looks of one of these

as soon as a dealer in my area can produce an se in a nice light or bright color i will try to make a deal

theres a gray one nearby ... i hate gray


https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=462517731&zip=95126&referrer=%2Fcars-for-sale%2Fsearchresults.xhtml%3Fzip%3D95126%26startYe ar%3D2018%26sortBy%3DdistanceASC%26incremental%3Da ll%26firstRecord%3D0%26endYear%3D2018%26modelCodeL ist%3DYARIS%26makeCodeList%3DTOYOTA%26searchRadius %3D0%26trimCodeList%3DYARIS%257CSE&startYear=2018&numRecords=25&firstRecord=0&endYear=2018&modelCodeList=YARIS&makeCodeList=TOYOTA&searchRadius=0&makeCode1=TOYOTA&modelCode1=YARIS

[NYC-SE]

i have no problem with the looks of one of these

as soon as a dealer in my area can produce an se in a nice light or bright color i will try to make a deal

theres a gray one nearby ... i hate gray


https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=462517731&zip=95126&referrer=%2Fcars-for-sale%2Fsearchresults.xhtml%3Fzip%3D95126%26startYe ar%3D2018%26sortBy%3DdistanceASC%26incremental%3Da ll%26firstRecord%3D0%26endYear%3D2018%26modelCodeL ist%3DYARIS%26makeCodeList%3DTOYOTA%26searchRadius %3D0%26trimCodeList%3DYARIS%257CSE&startYear=2018&numRecords=25&firstRecord=0&endYear=2018&modelCodeList=YARIS&makeCodeList=TOYOTA&searchRadius=0&makeCode1=TOYOTA&modelCode1=YARIS

umm...that's white

[bradbowl]

umm...that's white

It does look white to me too. :smile:

[DarkShadowFox]

It does look white to me too. [emoji2]
Im Orange and Blue and Teal.

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[justanotherdrunk]

umm...that's white

whats your point?

[justanotherdrunk]

It does look white to me too. :smile:

1+1= umh ?

[bradbowl]

as soon as a dealer in my area can produce an se in a nice light or bright color i will try to make a deal


Good luck on getting a good deal! I look forward to seeing your updates. Your current Yaris looks very well taken care of so hopefully the dealership will give you a solid trade-in value.

[Kalispel]

The 2018 refresh isn't my cup of tea for a variety of reasons, but best of luck getting a fair deal on the trade/purchase. No doubt that the SE trim especially will continue to be one of the absolute rarest birds on the road - just like it has always been. :thumbup:

Make sure that you put a stainless-steel exhaust finisher tip on this one. :tongue:

[DarkShadowFox]

The 2018 refresh isn't my cup of tea for a variety of reasons, but best of luck getting a fair deal on the trade/purchase. No doubt that the SE trim especially will continue to be one of the absolute rarest birds on the road - just like it has always been. [emoji106]

Make sure that you put a stainless-steel exhaust finisher tip on this one. :tongue:
its the exact refesh from europe

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[Kalispel]

its the exact refesh from europe

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Styling quibbles aside on the 2018 Yaris update in general, the European refresh features nice-looking LED taillights, instead of the cheap 1995 halogen-reflector knock-off versions on the 2018 U.S. release. The European release also has side-mirror turn-signals (an actual USEFUL safety feature), unlike the watered-down U.S. release. Typical of the Japanese car company trend of offering inferior versions of their models for the U.S. market - especially when it comes to subcompacts/compacts.

[DarkShadowFox]

Styling quibbles aside on the 2018 Yaris update in general, the European refresh features nice-looking LED taillights, instead of the cheap 1995 halogen-reflector knock-off versions on the 2018 U.S. release. The European release also has side-mirror turn-signals (an actual USEFUL safety feature), unlike the watered-down U.S. release. Typical of the Japanese car company trend of offering inferior versions of their models for the U.S. market - especially when it comes to subcompacts/compacts.
im buying my 2015 winker mirrors

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[Kalispel]

On the positive side, however, there are a few notable improvement with the 2018 refresh (in my opinion) versus the 2015-2017 version:

:thumbsup: No more obsolete CD player (at least in the SE trim).
:thumbsup::thumbsup: The return of integrated rear-bumper safety reflectors.
:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup: Rear window wiper assembly moved to full window mount instead of rear hatch body mount.
:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup: No more poorly-designed/implemented rear backup light assembly tacked onto the lower rear bumper.

[invader166]

On the positive side, however, there are a few notable improvement with the 2018 refresh (in my opinion) versus the 2015-2017 version:

:thumbsup: No more obsolete CD player (at least in the SE trim).
:thumbsup::thumbsup: The return of integrated rear-bumper safety reflectors.
:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup: Rear window wiper assembly moved to full window mount instead of rear hatch body mount.
:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup: No more poorly-designed/implemented rear backup light assembly tacked onto the lower rear bumper.

It's a start, but is the middle dome light making a comeback too?:laugh:

[91mustang]

What is different about the CD player?

[kimona]

The nose on the 2018 Yaris reminds me of a 1950's bullet-nose Studebaker.

[ern-diz]

^ LOL!

[DarkShadowFox]

If they just add in a 5 or 6 speed AT w/Od it wont bump the price up much, if the AT option is literally 735 dollars, whats adding another 1k onto the price of the vehicle itself? Plus if you want hyper economy, more gears is the way to go, this thing should have the customization of a mini cooper while still offering base models well equipped as its same mantra. at the same prices 14, 16, 18k. But I mean what do I know, I dont talk to toyotaGB or anything.

[Kalispel]

The nose on the 2018 Yaris reminds me of a 1950's bullet-nose Studebaker.

Yeah, not sure what's up with the nose bulge on the 2018 Yaris. Reminds me of those male model fashion pics in tight underwear trying to show off the groin bulge.

The rear taillights on the 2018 are also back to doing that weird, angular bulge look from certain angles like the 2012-2014 does. They just do not flow as well with the body of the car from certain vantage points compared to the 2015-2017 ones, and looks like a last-minute bolt-on that doesn't quite fit the intended design of the car.

Here's to hoping that the new (total?) redesign in 2020-2021 gets it right. :thumbsup:

[Kalispel]

What is different about the CD player?

It's been removed (finally) from the head unit on the SE trim, in favor of a larger touchscreen display. No more useless, obsolete CD player. :clap:

Though, now you get a bigger screen to blind you with its glare at certain times of the day. :laugh:

[91mustang]

Ahh, I love CDs. I still use them every day in my Yaris and my wife's car.

[Thirty-Nine]

The nose on the 2018 Yaris reminds me of a 1950's bullet-nose Studebaker.

OMG. Spot freaking on.

And for what it's worth, there are almost no Yaris liftbacks on the lots here in Portland.

[DarkShadowFox]

OMG. Spot freaking on.

And for what it's worth, there are almost no Yaris liftbacks on the lots here in Portland.
i bought my 2015 3 door with 100 miles. dealer said it was special.

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[kimona]

I'd like to see the Studebaker hood ornament on the 2018 Yaris!

[NYC-SE]

I thought of the Studebaker too. The Tucker also popped in mind:

[NYC-SE]

But I'm sure Toyota would prefer if we thought of this:

[DarkShadowFox]

But I'm sure Toyota would prefer if we thought of this:
toyota cant even build a successor to the 2zz a new supra a new 2J they needed subaru to build an engine like you want toyota to design an enzo it will look fast have 140 Hp I4 and be 500,000 dollars and be overenginered and parts bin.

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[deng]

Itching to do an '18 front bumper swap, so I can run the Modellista front spoiler. <3

http://www.modellista.co.jp/product/vitz/image/fb_vitz.png

[Kalispel]

A nice, proportionate side-profile on the 2018 Yaris SE (see pic below) - just like the 2015-2017 version more or less.

It really isn't a bad looking car, minor quibbles aside in terms of what upgraded features should be coming from the factory on the U.S./N.A. SE model. I just wish they wouldn't have overworked the styling on the front fascia/headlights to the degree that they did. They would have been better off changing design directions more to make the 2018+ as different from the front as the 2015-2017 was to the 2012-2014. A more-upgraded, newer look along the lines of the basic (non-gaping-mouth) 2012-2014 front design, with modern projector/LED headlights, snazzier fog/DRL light housings, etc, added would have been preferable probably to most people. Instead, Toyota doubled-down on its polarizing 'Like it or Hate it' 2015-2017 front design to an almost cartoonish degree. :laugh:

http://img.sm360.ca/ir/w600/images/newcar/2018/toyota/yaris-hatchback/5-door-se/hatchback/main/2018_Toyota_Yaris_Hatchback_SE-5-portes_Main_WIP.png

[bradbowl]

^ I agree. From the side, it is very nice looking. I preferred the previous gen front ends.

The Hawaii dealer will be getting in one SE model in November and one in December. Five month wait to order one. That's more rare than a Golf R. :)

[justanotherdrunk]

as of today, still no light or bright colored SE within 400 miles

my local dealers continue to demonstrate zero interest in finding me one

:rolleyes:

[Kalispel]

as of today, still no light or bright colored SE within 400 miles

my local dealers continue to demonstrate 0 interest in finding me one

:rolleyes:

Ou local dealers here in AZ acted like I was crazy to want a Yaris SE instead of a Corolla @ the same price point back in 2015 - and doubly so in terms of me wanting a manual transmission instead of an automatic. :biggrin: Thus, I ventured to Colorodo Springs, CO to obtain my prize Yaris.

Those new 2018 taillights don't blend/synergize as well with various paint colors as did the 2015-2017 ones (which have heavier tinting toward the edges of the taillight). Based on what I have seen thus far in pictures, they look the best (to me) with the white, black and blue 2018's. The blue now has that U.S. patriotic color scheme going on back there. :laugh:

Those two-tone colors they offer now, as implemented, just look horrible and break up the design/flow of the car. Ughh. I would have rather seen some additional unique single-color choices outside of the rather boring normal color-range to liven things up a bit for the model line in the U.S.

[bradbowl]

Yeah, the salesman was pretty surprised when I asked to see one. He steered me towards the Corolla iM and Prius C as better alternatives. They have lots of those in stock.

[Thirty-Nine]

There are about three new 2017 Yaris hatchbacks in the entire Portland metro area and one 2018 for 2.39 million people. Toyota dealers are simply not interested in selling them.

[DarkShadowFox]

There are about three new 2017 Yaris hatchbacks in the entire Portland metro area and one 2018 for 2.39 million people. Toyota dealers are simply not interested in selling them.
makes them a rare fun car. its not that their interested its a special car. its literally the only 3 door hatchback toyota sells its aftermarket support is massive and to prevent kids with fart cans like honda and them becoming a "ricer car" toyota hides them. I love my yaris its literally the only car on the road.

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[Kalispel]

I'm interested in seeing what Toyota does after this latest ho-hum 2018-2020(?) refresh has run its course. Will they (A) discontinue the sad little Yaris in the U.S. market, (B) let Mazda provide any 'Yaris' badged vehicles for the U.S. via facelifted Mazda2 sedans/hatches, or (C) will they actually create/import an all-new real-Toyota Yaris/Vitz platform/model based on the global architecture system that they seem to be adopting on all new designs rolling out for other models. (C) is likely to happen whether Toyota brings it to the U.S./NA or not, as the Yaris/Vitz is a great seller (and better equipped with options) in other global markets. Time will tell.

I'm also really interested in seeing what Toyota does for a 2019 iM refresh, assuming the 3 year cycle they generally follow. Same with the iA - will they double-down on their current front fascia :eek:, or go for something less polarizing? Plus, I believe the Corolla is due for a new design model in 2020 - thank goodness for that. :laugh:

[DarkShadowFox]

I'm interested in seeing what Toyota does after this latest ho-hum 2018-2020(?) refresh has run its course. Will they (A) discontinue the sad little Yaris in the U.S. market, (B) let Mazda provide any 'Yaris' badged vehicles for the U.S. via facelifted Mazda2 sedans/hatches, or (C) will they actually create/import an all-new real-Toyota Yaris/Vitz platform/model based on the global architecture system that they seem to be adopting on all new designs rolling out for other models. (C) is likely to happen whether Toyota brings it to the U.S./NA or not, as the Yaris/Vitz is a great seller (and better equipped with options) in other global markets. Time will tell.
when will we get digital controls TRD support VITz turbo 6 speed support TRD rims support side skir support VITZ RZ rear bumper Euro heaights euro bumper? trd exhaust avail from dealer and trd super charger and actual GRMN seats/ SE seat/ fun stuff / no cost option rear seat delete RS led tail lights modesetlla support modified for the LHD market? fuck basic options this is lukewarm sport hatchback thats had plenty of success in vitz cup/ japan toyota needs to step up it has so much freaking support I am toyota USA 3rd gen performance advocate. toyota GB loves me and Im one of the many pushing forces that got that GRMN euro release.

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[Dodge Aries K]

I want a grmn so bad :(

[DarkShadowFox]

I want a grmn so bad :(

buy the seats from JP car parts or import one in in pieces, seat mounts are pretty much the same or just fabricate a set to fit them. Manual Tranny is manual like just run a piggyback and do a turbo and stuff. :burnrubber:

[Dodge Aries K]

Yeah but that's not the same as buying one that's been factory developed. Plus, I'm not brave enough to void my warranty on a car that I have to pay for for the next few years haha.

[DarkShadowFox]

Yeah but that's not the same as buying one that's been factory developed. Plus, I'm not brave enough to void my warranty on a car that I have to pay for for the next few years haha.
i already am about to void it. TRD sports thermostat. modestella double barreled brakes modestella pads TRD 17" rim TF1 modsetella brake pads. dilect brake lines TRD. im going to see if i can fit the mechanical LSD. 2014 euro bumper. sportivo kit trd lowering springs. SE Seats SE steering wheel. Toyota Yaris extention box. foglights. ummmmm. toyota offers heated seats 3rd party for about 200 or 300? and vitz blue self cleaning mirror glass from japan. Vitz winker mirrors and powerfolding modulel. gonna see how to retrofit or die the trim pieces in black the plastic and modeetella makes a black trim kit i want to replicate badly so figuring out how to die those squishy pieces black will be fun. Doing an SE automtatic tacho reporgrammed cluster retrofit. hks Is vpro ecu. TRD sports exhaust magnaflow highflow cat. Turbo. Forged internals. metal headgasket port n polish light weight pullies. TRD intake. 35% tint. the works. TRD baging. TRD gas cap. vitz lower accent genuine side sticker. did i miss anything? NEONS bro no jk. Oh and vitz also has a rear step guard and geuinine light entry kit. cause PUDDLE LIGHTS.

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[Captain Yaris]

i already am about to void it. TRD sports thermostat. modestella double barreled brakes modestella pads TRD 17" rim TF1 modsetella brake pads. dilect brake lines TRD. im going to see if i can fit the mechanical LSD. 2014 euro bumper. sportivo kit trd lowering springs. SE Seats SE steering wheel. Toyota Yaris extention box. foglights. ummmmm. toyota offers heated seats 3rd party for about 200 or 300? and vitz blue self cleaning mirror glass from japan. Vitz winker mirrors and powerfolding modulel. gonna see how to retrofit or die the trim pieces in black the plastic and modeetella makes a black trim kit i want to replicate badly so figuring out how to die those squishy pieces black will be fun. Doing an SE automtatic tacho reporgrammed cluster retrofit. hks Is vpro ecu. TRD sports exhaust magnaflow highflow cat. Turbo. Forged internals. metal headgasket port n polish light weight pullies. TRD intake. 35% tint. the works. TRD baging. TRD gas cap. vitz lower accent genuine side sticker. did i miss anything? NEONS bro no jk. Oh and vitz also has a rear step guard and geuinine light entry kit. cause PUDDLE LIGHTS.

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Subbed! :headbang:

[DarkShadowFox]

Subbed! :headbang:
see you in 5 years.

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[deng]

i already am about to void it...

Someone's a TuRD whore. ;)

Just an FYI, TRD Direct Brake Lines are made for an RS. Which means rear disc brakes, the lines won't bolt up to drum brakes. Cheapest and easiest solution is to just go with some StopTech or Goodridge SS lines. Expensive route is the SE rear disc conversion. Anywho, good luck with all those goody parts and still being slow. :)

Join the voided warranty club.

[DarkShadowFox]

Someone's a TuRD whore. ;)

Just an FYI, TRD Direct Brake Lines are made for an RS. Which means rear disc brakes, the lines won't bolt up to drum brakes. Cheapest and easiest solution is to just go with some StopTech or Goodridge SS lines. Expensive route is the SE rear disc conversion. Anywho, good luck with all those goody parts and still being slow. :)

Join the voided warranty club.
SE brake disc conversion....

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[DarkShadowFox]

Someone's a TuRD whore. ;)

Just an FYI, TRD Direct Brake Lines are made for an RS. Which means rear disc brakes, the lines won't bolt up to drum brakes. Cheapest and easiest solution is to just go with some StopTech or Goodridge SS lines. Expensive route is the SE rear disc conversion. Anywho, good luck with all those goody parts and still being slow. :)

Join the voided warranty club.
..... 300 whp in a 2300 pound car...

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[DarkShadowFox]

Someone's a TuRD whore. ;)

Just an FYI, TRD Direct Brake Lines are made for an RS. Which means rear disc brakes, the lines won't bolt up to drum brakes. Cheapest and easiest solution is to just go with some StopTech or Goodridge SS lines. Expensive route is the SE rear disc conversion. Anywho, good luck with all those goody parts and still being slow. :)

Join the voided warranty club.
... its all about how you drive...

this is a twisties car not a drag strip highway pulls car.....

....im pretty sure im doing this for OEM+ factor not really going 200 MPH 10000 Hp -2 camber neon green stripped out dry carbon body. race machine.

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[DarkShadowFox]

Someone's a TuRD whore. ;)

Just an FYI, TRD Direct Brake Lines are made for an RS. Which means rear disc brakes, the lines won't bolt up to drum brakes. Cheapest and easiest solution is to just go with some StopTech or Goodridge SS lines. Expensive route is the SE rear disc conversion. Anywho, good luck with all those goody parts and still being slow. :)

Join the voided warranty club.
eventhough i do want to strip the body down and weld chassis bracing to the frame because it flexes next option is TRD door stablizer.

186

v thousands of dollars.

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[DarkShadowFox]

Someone's a TuRD whore. ;)

Just an FYI, TRD Direct Brake Lines are made for an RS. Which means rear disc brakes, the lines won't bolt up to drum brakes. Cheapest and easiest solution is to just go with some StopTech or Goodridge SS lines. Expensive route is the SE rear disc conversion. Anywho, good luck with all those goody parts and still being slow. :)

Join the voided warranty club.
300 hp in 2335 pound car plus smaller objects by laws of physics move faster then a bigger car with FWD and an auto general calculation is 4.528 seconds 0-60

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[91mustang]

Someone's a TuRD whore. ;)

Just an FYI, TRD Direct Brake Lines are made for an RS. Which means rear disc brakes, the lines won't bolt up to drum brakes. Cheapest and easiest solution is to just go with some StopTech or Goodridge SS lines. Expensive route is the SE rear disc conversion. Anywho, good luck with all those goody parts and still being slow. :)

Join the voided warranty club.


Where are y'all finding these part numbers from?

I'm not seeing anything available other than the run of the mill filter stuff.

[DarkShadowFox]

Where are y'all finding these part numbers from?

I'm not seeing anything available other than the run of the mill filter stuff.
Magic Land :D

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[DarkShadowFox]

Where are y'all finding these part numbers from?

I'm not seeing anything available other than the run of the mill filter stuff.
ill link my book marks at work tomorrow.

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[deng]

300 hp in 2335 pound car plus smaller objects by laws of physics move faster then a bigger car with FWD and an auto general calculation is 4.528 seconds 0-60

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thanks for clarifying with the ricer math. :tongue:

[DarkShadowFox]

thanks for clarifying with the ricer math. :tongue:
MEEEELLRPPPbbbbttt

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[DarkShadowFox]

Where are y'all finding these part numbers from?

I'm not seeing anything available other than the run of the mill filter stuff.

Alright heres my gathered parts list not inclusive:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/TOYOTA-YARIS-HB-2015-2017-PAIR-LEFT-RIGHT-SE-HEADLIGHTS-HEAD-LIGHTS-LAMPS-W-LED-/152497104186?_trksid=p2385738.m2548.l4275

http://japanese-culture.ocnk.net/product/1310

http://japanese-culture.ocnk.net/product/1320

http://japanese-culture.ocnk.net/product/1318

http://japanese-culture.ocnk.net/product/1299

http://japanese-culture.ocnk.net/product/1290

http://japanese-culture.ocnk.net/product/1276

http://japanese-culture.ocnk.net/product/1256

http://japanese-culture.ocnk.net/product/1297

not too inclusive this is just stuff im looking at buying soon.

[91mustang]

Omg 700 dollars for brake lines? Too rich for me, lol. Thanks for the links.

[DarkShadowFox]

Omg 700 dollars for brake lines? Too rich for me, lol. Thanks for the links.
Car projects arent cheap.

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[bradbowl]

Car projects arent cheap.

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Your build is going to be inspiring to behold! :biggrin:

Thanks for posting those links. I didn't even know those parts existed since they aren't the typical US TRD parts on eBay/dealership sites.

[91mustang]

Trust me I know.

There is a definite difference in price though buying from Japan and United States.

My Mustang takes precedence anyway. Lol.

[DarkShadowFox]

Your build is going to be inspiring to behold! [emoji3]

Thanks for posting those links. I didn't even know those parts existed since they aren't the typical US TRD parts on eBay/dealership sites.
cause its called Vitz everywhere else.

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[deng]

Those trd brake lines are overpriced, I bought my set last year for less than half the price shipped when the yen was weaker.

https://www.rhdjapan.com/trd-direct-brake-lines-vitz-ncp91.html

[DarkShadowFox]

Those trd brake lines are overpriced, I bought my set last year for less than half the price shipped when the yen was weaker.

https://www.rhdjapan.com/trd-direct-brake-lines-vitz-ncp91.html
but are they assured to fit on the ncp131 aka MK3 like mine are priced for?

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[deng]

Your research game is lacking.

http://www.trdparts.jp/list_race_vitz-gr.html

[DarkShadowFox]

Your research game is lacking.

http://www.trdparts.jp/list_race_vitz-gr.html
yeah thats already booked marked on my home pc

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[deng]

Then you should be able to cross reference the part numbers from the rhdjapan link and turd's.

[junorico24]

Like the looks don't like the 4 speed and 5 speed. We don't get the 1.5 anymore in Ozzie land.:frown:

[kevinj93]

Like the looks don't like the 4 speed and 5 speed. We don't get the 1.5 anymore in Ozzie land.:frown:

Only the Ascent has the 2NZ-FE . The SX and ZR still have the 1NZ-FE. The ZR gets alloy wheels, Bi.LED headlights, sports seats and climate control air conditioning.

[DarkShadowFox]

Only the Ascent has the 2NZ-FE . The SX and ZR still have the 1NZ-FE. The ZR gets alloy wheels, Bi.LED headlights, sports seats and climate control air conditioning.

ZR is also a great way to get those JDM rs mk3 black taillight on the cheap.

[iA_b4_07HB]

3 door or 5 door? Stick or automatic? I'm shoppi8ng now and would love to find the right deal.

The local dealers in CA are offering some very good deals on base model (L) 2017 Yarii to clear the path for the 2018's. I was offered $13,100 + tax/fees/etc in Sacramento. I bought my first Yaris in Nov 2006 (base model) for for around $12k so that isn't too far off.

I agree that it's a shame we don't get the performance hot hatch version here.

[enviri]

hey if you wanna start dumpster hunting for used ncp131 parts from japan you know where to find me.

just remember what james and my conversion ran shipped from japan hahahahah

[justanotherdrunk]

still ... as of today ...

none of my local dealers have a light or bright colored 2018 SE

i could live with white/ silver/ red or blue ... no grey/ black or 2 tone

one dealer misrepresented that they had a grey :barf: car (just to look at) but when i got there they couldnt produce it

i have yet to actually see in person a 2018 SE

:iono:

[Kalispel]

still ... as of today ...

none of my local dealers have a light or bright colored 2018 SE

i could live with white/ silver/ red or blue ... no grey/ black or 2 tone

one dealer misrepresented that they had a grey :barf: car (just to look at) but when i got there they couldnt produce it

i have yet to actually see in person a 2018 SE

:iono:

There seems to only be several dozen 2018 SE's in the entire USA currently, if even that. I'm sure that will spike to the usual peak of about 50-100 nationally (lol) at any given time in 2018. :wink:

[justanotherdrunk]

I'm sure that will spike to the usual peak of about 50-100 nationally (lol) at any given time in 2018. :wink:

funny

[Kalispel]

i could live with white/ silver/ red or blue ... no grey/ black or 2 tone
:iono:

If I was forced to buy a 2018 refresh-version Yaris, I would have to go with a black SE, if anything. That is the only color that blends/hides some of the new design elements enough to make me accept them (bulging front nose (lol) coupled with expanded front maw, rear plastic bumper inserts and the new goofy projector headlight design). I would have to black-out those stupid upside-down chrome fog-light fangs as well. :biggrin: Heck, I would probably like my current Yaris better in black as well, minus the practical concerns of having a black car in hellhole, AZ.

[kimona]

^^^ Yup.

But, I can't imagine choosing a colour specifically to hide/camouflage a cars hideous design characteristics... and there are so many!

[HolsonY]

I like the 2018 update and would probably pick up a 3dr LE but there just aren’t that many 2018 Yaris in the Bay Area! Expanding my search to the so cal area helped. I guess it could be a nice road trip back

[enviri]

sad thing about our 2018...cant go JDM GR on that car!

its gonna be EUROspec or nothing! lol.

[DarkShadowFox]

sad thing about our 2018...cant go JDM GR on that car!

its gonna be EUROspec or nothing! lol.

hey get your own dumpster picking operation.

[Kalispel]

It's always interesting how Canadian reviews/impressions of the Yaris (hatch) are always so different than reviews of the same basic car in the USA.

http://thechronicleherald.ca/wheelsnews/1545625-toyotas-2018-yaris-hatchback-performs-with-pizzazz

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[WeeYari]

It's always interesting how Canadian reviews/impressions of the Yaris (hatch) are always so different than reviews of the same basic car in the USA.

http://thechronicleherald.ca/wheelsnews/1545625-toyotas-2018-yaris-hatchback-performs-with-pizzazz

-That is a media presence based out of Halifax, Nova Scotia. In Canada, urban centres in Quebec and the Maritime provinces have been huge consumers of the Echo and Yaris badges.

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[Kalispel]

Another decent review of the 2018 Yaris:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/samabuelsamid/2018/04/09/2018-toyota-yaris-se-its-surprisingly-ok/#77dab0912b13

https://thumbor.forbes.com/thumbor/960x0/https%3A%2F%2Fblogs-images.forbes.com%2Fsamabuelsamid%2Ffiles%2F2018%2 F04%2F2018-Toyota-Yaris-SE-5MT-5-of-12-1200x801.jpg

[justanotherdrunk]

a rare good review

[justanotherdrunk]

strangely enough my local dealer actually has one and only one yaris in stock and its a red SE!

i could trade mine for it and my wife would never know the difference :laugh:

https://www.stevenscreektoyota.com/new-vehicles/yaris/

[DarkShadowFox]

strangely enough my local dealer actually has one and only one yaris in stock and its a red SE!

i could trade mine for it and my wife would never know the difference :laugh:

https://www.stevenscreektoyota.com/new-vehicles/yaris/

except that it now has extra things it it and a different interior. also they did this redesign wrong they put the things like the buttons for the auto beam and lane assist below the driver where they should be up in that pocket :mad: like in japan.

or where the switch knock outs are :mad:

also no powerfolding mirrors button :mad::mad::mad:


edit: also those vents are from the corolla

MAYBE 2019 >:C then i will be able to look at the diagram and go OH, this is way beyond my technical expertise.

:iono::tongue:

edit those vents are from the corolla :tongue:

as is alot of things, still no JDM square hazard lights or fold down 2 din with dvd touch screen and nav though :frown: which are from the aqua.

ALSO STILL NO DIGITAL AC controls yet in the LHD versions for europe there is ONE COME ON :mad:

also still no SKYVIEW glass roof :C or hybrid.

still no jersey mesh material or checkered material that both AUS and europe got with the redesign :thumbdown:

no black interior trims like the hybrid concept got or two tone. in europe :thumbdown:

no 2zrfe edition , maybe i need to join toyotas design team. :wub:


still no double cubbie like they get in japan from the aqua :thumbdown:

maybe like 2022 they will finally get there when japan has like V8 powered hover yarises. :laughabove::bellyroll::bellyroll::bellyroll:

edit two: THEY ADDED A FLIP LID TO THE supposed "ashtray" :V ?!!?!?!?

[Kalispel]

strangely enough my local dealer actually has one and only one yaris in stock and its a red SE!

i could trade mine for it and my wife would never know the difference :laugh:

https://www.stevenscreektoyota.com/new-vehicles/yaris/

I wouldn't mind test driving a 2018 SE automatic (& just checking it out in-person, in general), but the closest SE is over 600 miles away in CA. A new Yaris SE is 100% extinct in Arizona (among other places). If dealers here haven't stocked at least ONE by now, I have a feeling they have no intention of doing so at all for 2018. How sad & annoying. Plenty of shitty little Mazda2 'Yaris' iA's on the dealer lots though. :rolleyes:

I have no intention/interest of picking up another car until at least the end of 2020. Another current-gen Yaris SE (in Black) is still on my short list of potential vehicles (though I would have to go out-of-state again to get one, like I had to in 2015 also). I am interested in test driving & checking out the new, upcoming TNGA Corolla/Auris hatchback model (end of 2018), as well as the upcoming TNGA Corolla sedan (end of 2019) & upcoming TNGA Yaris hatch (end of 2020, if it hasn't been discontinued in U.S. by then :laugh:). If none of those do it for me, then I will happily stick with the classic, bulletproof tech Yaris and call it a day. :biggrin: Can't say I am a fan of all the garbage tech-bloat they are cramming into cars now, that I personally have zero use for. It really makes me appreciate my current car all the more.

[justanotherdrunk]

Well they actually have the car so i took a few comparison shots

these crappy phone pics dont capture the colors well - shoulda brought my real camera

i really like the Ruby Flare Pearl on the 2018

avoided the salesman cause i didnt want to be tempted to write a check for the ~$11K plus my car to drive it home


https://photos.smugmug.com/Other/MISC-stuff/i-MxkwHnc/0/cd42fb5d/XL/20180526_193710-XL.jpg

https://photos.smugmug.com/Other/MISC-stuff/i-9zhnrbD/0/cb1c0bdb/XL/20180526_191531-XL.jpg

https://photos.smugmug.com/Other/MISC-stuff/i-frHLnZ8/0/4f587faa/XL/20180526_193753-XL.jpg

https://photos.smugmug.com/Other/MISC-stuff/i-3tJv7TF/0/b979d0c8/XL/20180526_193836-XL.jpg

[bradbowl]

avoided the salesman cause i didnt want to be tempted to write a check for the ~$11K plus my car to drive it home


Haha! That's why I haven't gone down to the dealer to check the one Yaris they have on the lot. :)

I like the comparison shot. The 2018 does look more modern and stylized. The close up of the new "mouth" is pretty cool. I didn't know it had a cool hexagonal pattern.

Honestly, I think both cars look great though! :w00t:

[Biggbenn1978]

I just picked up my first yaris yesterday 2018 se red and black

[justanotherdrunk]

I just picked up my first yaris yesterday 2018 se red and black

nice - waiting for some pics

[DarkShadowFox]

Haha! That's why I haven't gone down to the dealer to check the one Yaris they have on the lot. :)

I like the comparison shot. The 2018 does look more modern and stylized. The close up of the new "mouth" is pretty cool. I didn't know it had a cool hexagonal pattern.

Honestly, I think both cars look great though! :w00t:

us yaris redesigns are a combonation of all 3, honestly yeah it looks great on the outside when are they gonna start throwing the corolla motor in the Sport Editions its too underpowered to drive daily so they either offer a supercharger from TRD or start bumping up the power because honestly its been 3 generations and its just a reshell and some gadgets. its scarying away buyers.

[Dliverance]

I like that they keep recycling the 1nz.

[DarkShadowFox]

I like that they keep recycling the 1nz.

not when japan gets the 1.8 in grmn form. gets old.

[ern-diz]

The close up of the new "mouth" is pretty cool. I didn't know it had a cool hexagonal pattern.

Throwback to the second gen.

Overall, I'm not a big fan of it. The tail lights remind me of the Corolla hatch / iM; no longer feel unique to the Yaris as they did previously. I also don't like the faux slats on the rear bumper. The entire car feels as though it's been stretched a bit over time; no longer as much of the egg it was in the second gen. Again, getting more and more like the Corolla hatch / iM than I'd prefer.

[Kalispel]

Another decent review of the 2018 Yaris:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/samabuelsamid/2018/04/09/2018-toyota-yaris-se-its-surprisingly-ok/#77dab0912b13



On the other side of the review spectrum, this is what happens when a clueless douchebag decides to become a automotive critic. :biggrin:

Interesting how different people view various cars.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/25/2018-toyota-yaris-review.html

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[justanotherdrunk]

douchebag





i prefer ass clown

:biggrin:

[DarkShadowFox]

i prefer ass clown

:biggrin:

Roast Beef Bandit :thumbsup: