5 Lug Conversion

[DarkShadowFox]

please delete entire thread. redacted.

[enviri]

this applies for 2nd gen; 3rd gen rears need a little modding (hub bolts may not line up)

-for 5x100, rear is pretty straight forward; swap out for an XD hub and drum. fronts...xd hub fits except for the splines...i think.

[DiCaprio]

Guess who watched ChrisFix new video yesterday :D

[DarkShadowFox]

Guess who watched ChrisFix new video yesterday :D
Me :D

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[enviri]

ahhh hahaha oh man i remember my 240 days! I've done that 5 lug swap from a S14 with 300zx brakes! oooh memories..

[DarkShadowFox]

ahhh hahaha oh man i remember my 240 days! I've done that 5 lug swap from a S14 with 300zx brakes! oooh memories..
I just want better wheel and brake options. But im torn between the 2014 5 spoke charcoal or doing a 5 lug so I can fit LS400 Brakes and calipers. thanks tavarish for making me poor.

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[enviri]

man 12.5" rotors eh? LS400 are 5x114.3 and more than likely require adapters, but who knows!

The only swap currently known is one from a xd/corolla which is nearly a 11" rotor.

[DarkShadowFox]

man 12.5" rotors eh? LS400 are 5x114.3 and more than likely require adapters, but who knows!

The only swap currently known is one from a xd/corolla which is nearly a 11" rotor.
Im just looking at the tavarish video and drooling because those LS400 Brakes are strong First gen is 3,759-3,858 pounds on a 2335 pound car thats basically a big brake kit for minimal effort. Just seems so frankenstein but atleast im staying within the toyota family, seems doable I just dont have alot of time to tinker on a DD.

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[DarkShadowFox]

Im just looking at the tavarish video and drooling because those LS400 Brakes are strong First gen is 3,759-3,858 pounds on a 2335 pound car thats basically a big brake kit for minimal effort. Just seems so frankenstein but atleast im staying within the toyota family, seems doable I just dont have alot of time to tinker on a DD.

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I know i could grind and do what my friend did and just press the entire assembly together. I mean id do it on new yaris parts I have a problem with ruining factory, factory parts. Or just weld it together. I mean I could just plan to make new ones when the bearings buy the farm. Its an interesting concept

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[DarkShadowFox]

Okay I think I did this right. Does the LS400 and Yaris do they both run internal 23 count splines?

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[DarkShadowFox]

oh so I got it. I just cut the inboard spline off of the yaris one and then weld it onto the LS400 parts. shortern the shaft and the connect the 5 hub and brake stuff.

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[DarkShadowFox]

Informative Video Is Informative:

https://youtu.be/dpTd-Z8Q5Bw

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[DarkShadowFox]

wait. nevermind I can just cut the shafts and weld on the 400 Outer hubs. duhhhh.

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[DarkShadowFox]

wait. nevermind I can just cut the shafts and weld on the 400 Outer hubs. duhhhh.

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Nope wait apparently I can just grind and respline.

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[DarkShadowFox]

Nope wait Have to get custom shafts made.

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[DarkShadowFox]

im dumb. I just redrill the hubs and make new brackets.

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[DarkShadowFox]

The yaris driveshaft external spline is 26, Can I use this 26 spline rav4 hub?

https://parts.camelbacktoyota.com/parts/2005/Toyota/RAV4/Sport?siteid=214329&vehicleid=189162&section=FRONT%20SUSPENSION&group=FRONT%20SUSPENSION

[kimona]

I've seen numerous Yaris 5-lug conversions in Thailand. Perhaps you can get some information there rather than attempt to "reinvent the wheel". Just a thought.

[DarkShadowFox]

I've seen numerous Yaris 5-lug conversions in Thailand. Perhaps you can get some information there rather than attempt to "reinvent the wheel". Just a thought.
dont be mean.

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[kimona]

dont be mean.

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I don't get it. I'm offering you some information you may not be aware of and could perhaps help you with your conversion.

[DarkShadowFox]

I don't get it. I'm offering you some information you may not be aware of and could perhaps help you with your conversion.
Cant speak thai [emoji23]

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[DarkShadowFox]

I don't get it. I'm offering you some information you may not be aware of and could perhaps help you with your conversion.
plus im looking for a 26 spline 5x114.3 hub anyways. not a 5x100.

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[DiCaprio]

Some Thais might speak English, since Englisch the worlds language

[DarkShadowFox]

Still have to use the Rav4 Hubs because im doing 5x114.3 not 5x100.

[enviri]

scion xB 2nd gen is 5x114.3 with 26 splines in the front.

[DarkShadowFox]

scion xB 2nd gen is 5x114.3 with 26 splines in the front.
okie dokie. need a rear piece now.

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[enviri]

redrill your axle beam and buy an xb2 rear hub :P

[DarkShadowFox]

redrill your axle beam and buy an xb2 rear hub :P
why am I doing this again

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[enviri]

u want a set of 5x114 18x9 +25 kranze wheels and LS400 or GSF brakes.

...and you're under the TERRIBAD influence of masstuning.

[DarkShadowFox]

u want a set of 5x114 kranze wheels and LS400 or GSF brakes.
I want TRD rims <. <

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[DarkShadowFox]

u want a set of 5x114 18x9 +25 kranze wheels and LS400 or GSF brakes.
cant run 22s on a yaris Im not making a donk.

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[DarkShadowFox]

redrill your axle beam and buy an xb2 rear hub :P
XB2 or BB.

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[enviri]

2nd gen scion xb aka corolla rumion.


https://www.carthrottle.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Donk-Prius-680x510.jpg

[DarkShadowFox]

2nd gen scion xb aka corolla rumion.


https://www.carthrottle.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Donk-Prius-680x510.jpg
thats a prius.

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[DarkShadowFox]

2nd gen scion xb aka corolla rumion.


https://www.carthrottle.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Donk-Prius-680x510.jpg
I think im going to run IS300 rims

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[enviri]

LS fsport rims.


http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/CpEAAOSwuxFYywFB/s-l1600.jpg

[DarkShadowFox]

LS fsport rims.


http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/CpEAAOSwuxFYywFB/s-l1600.jpg
those are 18. since im most likely gonna run rav hubs with an offset of 45 IS300 or gs300 rims are going to be my consideration ones 45 ones 50 offset. both 5x114.3 17x7

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[DarkShadowFox]

Still working out the details, waiting on the european bumper.

[DarkShadowFox]

Okay I have figured out my angle of approach, im going to go with Rav4 Hubs because I really want those 5x114.3 So I can get LS400/ L430 Brakes and IS300 rims, Final Decision.

[enviri]

making an adapter for the rear brakes? or are you staying before 2003 and convert drums?

[DarkShadowFox]

making an adapter for the rear brakes? or are you staying before 2003 and convert drums?
depends if someone can match me a 5x114.3 caliper with emergency brake in 315 mm rotor like the front so everythings even

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[DarkShadowFox]

making an adapter for the rear brakes? or are you staying before 2003 and convert drums?
im gonna have to custom fit rear adapters i think as id like to keep my swaybar

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[enviri]

awesome, u can show it in RI/northeast CT/braintree area too!

Join us at toyofest if you finish by sept hahahaha

[DarkShadowFox]

awesome, u can show it in RI/northeast CT/braintree area too!

Join us at toyofest if you finish by sept hahahaha
maybe 3 septembers

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[DarkShadowFox]

awesome, u can show it in RI/northeast CT/braintree area too!

Join us at toyofest if you finish by sept hahahaha
will be going to toyo fest.

edit: will be going to toyo fest anyways.

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[DarkShadowFox]

back to 5 lug conversion idea because I have no confirmed the toyota GRMN

uses


ready? get how late to the game they were.


XD hubs

the TMG Vits GRMN r5 and associated track vehicles
such as blood sports car and stuff all are 5x100 soo in the sake of being JDM yo im considering the hubs as their 100 on uk amazon and 60 from japan plus shipping. its all in kilograms though so ill do some converting later.





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[enviri]

here im gonna give you a boost.
this applies to everyone who wants to do a 5x100 swap.

https://snag.gy/W9S4ip.jpg
hub; 43502-52040
shaft assy, front drive, LH; 43420-52290
shaft assy, front drive, RH; 43410-52300

***cross referenced with*******
Europe 11/2010- TOYOTA VERSO-S.............NLP121,NSP120
Europe 01/2009- TOYOTA URBAN CRUISER...NLP11*,NSP110
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https://snag.gy/Xjrst1.jpg
hub; 42450-52090

***cross referenced with*******
Japan 11/2010- TOYOTA RACTIS.........NCP12*,NSP12*
Europe 11/2010- TOYOTA VERSO-S.......NLP121,NSP120
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[CrankyOldMan]

But what about 5 lug rear disc? :smile:

[DarkShadowFox]

But what about 5 lug rear disc? :smile:

ask the guy above me.

edit: also are these parts relevant for NCP131. thats what this thread was about.

[enviri]

yes the parts numbers i pullled are from the ncp131 RS G's version on my EPC, as in the pics pulled from a GRMN 5sp
built from 13-09 to 14-02.
since it does share parts from an urban cruiser (front) and similarities with our rear axles ncp91 is also included. lol.

the rear brakes is up to you.

you wanna stick with drum? try for the XD's drum setup. It will more than likely work. I would just take the XD's hub then instead of importing a hub with numbers above. The ncp131 and ncp91 share the same 4lug hub part number, and the ncp91 with the scion xd share the same rear axle beam, therefore the xd's 5lug rear will fit.

Using the XD's hub versus importing one with the part number in above post is a mystery. The RS/SE 4 lug rear hub is indeed shared with drum and disc equipped cars...

if you wanna use disc/caliper, go ahead and take it from a yaris SE and rotors from a set of toyotas including the GRMN vitz (toyota 42431-12310, centric 120.44165). All lines and misc crap are from yaris SE.

You might as well do a beam swap, or fabricate a hub adapter to hold the caliper.

[DarkShadowFox]

yes the parts numbers i pullled are from the ncp131 RS G's version on my EPC, as in the pics pulled from a GRMN 5sp
built from 13-09 to 14-02.
since it does share parts from an urban cruiser (front) and similarities with our rear axles ncp91 is also included. lol.

the rear brakes is up to you.

you wanna stick with drum? try for the XD's drum setup. It will more than likely work. I would just take the XD's hub then instead of importing a hub with numbers above. The ncp131 and ncp91 share the same 4lug hub part number, and the ncp91 with the scion xd share the same rear axle beam, therefore the xd's 5lug rear will fit.

Using the XD's hub versus importing one with the part number in above post is a mystery. The RS/SE 4 lug rear hub is indeed shared with drum and disc equipped cars...

if you wanna use disc/caliper, go ahead and take it from a yaris SE and rotors from a set of toyotas including the GRMN vitz (toyota 42431-12310, centric 120.44165). All lines and misc crap are from yaris SE.

You might as well do a beam swap, or fabricate a hub adapter to hold the caliper.
now to save up hundreds of dollars ow o

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[enviri]

Theres a junkers in meriden, ct that has a scion xd to part out. I've dealt with them before. The guy behind the counter is so lazy he tells me to just dismantle the car myself for the part i need! Thats the best.

[DarkShadowFox]

Theres a junkers in meriden, ct that has a scion xd to part out. I've dealt with them before. The guy behind the counter is so lazy he tells me to just dismantle the car myself for the part i need! Thats the best.
id rather buy new hubs from amazon.

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[enviri]

oh right front discs you got 3 caliper solutions.

-Stock SE (recommended)
-Corolla/matrix/Scion XD
-GRMN 4 pot (668$+shipping per caliper last i checked)

http://japancars.ru/image/cache/epc_toyota/5f86c869174f72609c182d0914140aa4-955x659.gif
https://snag.gy/uI5BJW.jpg

[DarkShadowFox]

oh right front discs you got 3 caliper solutions.

-Stock SE (recommended)
-Corolla/matrix/Scion XD
-GRMN 4 pot (668$+shipping per caliper last i checked)

http://japancars.ru/image/cache/epc_toyota/5f86c869174f72609c182d0914140aa4-955x659.gif
part #s?

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[enviri]

caliper:

RS/SE: 47730-52211, 47750-52211
corolla family: 47730-12a10, 47750-12a10
GRMN: 47730-52310, 47750-52350

Pad:

RS/SE: 04465-52310 (shims 04945-52120)
G's: 04465-WY010 or Pitwork brand: AY040TY079 (shims 04945-52120)
corolla family: 04465-02220(shims 04945-12111)
GRMN: 04465-52330 (shims 04945-52190)

[DarkShadowFox]

caliper:

RS/SE: 47730-52211, 47750-52211
corolla family: 47730-12a10, 47750-12a10
GRMN: 47730-52310, 47750-52350

Pad:

RS/SE: 04465-52310 (shims 04945-52120)
G's: 04465-WY010 or Pitwork brand: AY040TY079 (shims 04945-52120)
corolla family: 04465-02220(shims 04945-12111)
GRMN: 04465-52330 (shims 04945-52190)
how about the rears :D?

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[enviri]

rears:

drum: scion xd. look it up. too many pieces. junkyard it, then get new shoes (04495-52120) and drum(42431-52110).

edit: here's the whole laundry list for Scion XD rear drums sift thru it yourself lol-
KEEP IN MIND THIS IS ASSUMING EVERYONE HAS ABS EQUIPPED.

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04474 CYLINDER KIT, REAR WHEEL
04474-52140 2 $41.04
04495 SHOE KIT, REAR BRAKE
04495-52120 MARK NBK LN521 1 $75.88
04906 CUP KIT, REAR WHEEL CYLINDER
04906-28040 1 $20.26
04941 SPRING KIT, REAR BRAKE SHOE HOLD DOWN
04941-28010 1 $43.21
04942 SPRING KIT, REAR BRAKE
04942-13030 1 $47.80
04943A STRUT KIT, REAR BRAKE
04943-52030 1 $57.37
04949 PLUG KIT, REAR BRAKE
04949-13010 1 $18.66
47043 PLATE SUB-ASSY, BRAKE BACKING, REAR RH
47043-52120 1 $65.39
47044 PLATE SUB-ASSY, BRAKE BACKING, REAR LH
47044-52120 1 $65.39
47547R PLUG, BLEEDER(FOR DRUM BRAKE, REAR)
47547-27030 4 $4.67
47548R CAP, BLEEDER PLUG(FOR DRUM BRAKE, REAR)
31478-30010 4 $2.21
47550 CYLINDER ASSY, REAR WHEEL BRAKE(FOR RH, FRONT OR UPPER)
47550-28060 1 $79.58
47550C SPRING, COMPRESSION(FOR REAR WHEEL BRAKE CYLINDER)
Not applicable
47570 CYLINDER ASSY, REAR WHEEL BRAKE(FOR LH, FRONT OR UPPER)
47550-28060 1 $79.58
47601 LEVER SUB-ASSY, PARKING BRAKE SHOE, RH(FOR REAR BRAKE)
47601-12480 1 $8.62
47602 LEVER SUB-ASSY, PARKING BRAKE SHOE, LH (FOR REAR BRAKE)
47602-12480 1 $8.62
47643A LEVER, REAR BRAKE AUTOMATIC ADJUST, RH
47643-52120 1 $4.94
47644A LEVER, REAR BRAKE AUTOMATIC ADJUST, LH
47644-52120 1 $4.94
90119-06084 *** STD. PART $1.34

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REAR DISCS

SE/RS/G's/GRMN caliper: 47830-52161, 47850-52161
SE/RS pads: 04466-52140 or 04466-52141
G's/GRMN pads: 04466-WY010 or Pitwork - AY060TY027

Shims: 04946-52080

dust cover, rear: 47803-52030, 47804-52030
caliper carrier: 57821-12151
brake pad fitting kit: 04948-52040, 04948-12060
rear axle beam: 42101-52160 or build an adapter yourself.

[DarkShadowFox]

rotors are corolla, hubs are XD.

I cant tell if the brakes are MATRIX or tundra. as the rotors are like 706 a piece and i want to know what they repurposed them from.

https://car.watch.impress.co.jp/img/car/docs/611/452/html/Vitz_GRMN_018.jpg.html

have the handle on the parts finally and someone to fund me so i can move to up 5 lug. wont be using RF507 unless someone can gift them to me.

[DarkShadowFox]

on the NEW GRMN brakes are made by ADVICS and they look like landcruiser brakes or any large brake as i cant find any 4 anything besides that.

[DarkShadowFox]

so we said the brake caliper is 47730 for gEMN while the 2007 caliper for landcruiser is

47730-60090

would it fit. looks eerlier similar.