Only in America

[YamilR]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhG8RaoUp6E

[churp]

Not what I prefer...but why the only in America title??? Seems like I've heard of animated cartoons preaching Jihad, and kids carried live grenades in Viet Nam, there were videos of kids laughing and kicking our dead servicemen being dragged naked though the streets in Somolia.....at least the Dad hopefully is teaching his son not to be afraid of guns, because someday he may need to use them. Hopefully someone will be there with a gun protecting me if I can't protect myself.:thumbdown:

[Blenjar]

o boy...ur picking a strong topic..for a debate class room..

Better close this before politician find out..

IMO.

[Black Yaris]

WTF? was that GW Bush's cousin or something?

[churp]

Sorry....just get tired of all the B bashin---seems like the lib's hand it out but don't want to hear it back....don't think I said any mistruths???? Can't I have an opinion...or is that only if you follow the crowd? Just think a title of 'ONLY IN AMERICA" then showing something negative is sort of US bashing..and a lot of lib's including Congress do it daily and don't even realize they are. :thumbdown:

[Astroman]

looks like its time to start marrying cousins. :laugh:

[ChinoCharles]

Yep. Only in America.

[redyaris]

Only in red state America!

[Kaotic Lazagna]

wow, that's F-in stupid. why would a baby need to know how to fire a gun for? to shoot his stupid ass father?

[brickhardmeat]

I think it is great. He is totally supervised and his Dad has both hands on the gun the whole time. Awww that's cute. He even gave the kid ear protection.

[fu_im_from_texas]

im a huge proponent of compassion. its hard to show someone compassion when your pointing a gun at them...just zerotwo...

[brickhardmeat]

im a huge proponent of compassion. its hard to show someone compassion when your pointing a gun at them...just zerotwo...


I am huge condoner of revenge.

[YamilR]

eye for an eye...that's my modo

[fu_im_from_texas]

"eye for an eye, then we both lose our sight" ~jay-z...its gotta be true... rappers cannot tell a lie... :barf: :bellyroll:

[PetersRedYaris]

WTF? was that GW Bush's cousin or something?


What the hell does that have to do with Bush?

[MudBug]

GEE, I wonder how I feel about this?

http://www.goobage.com/pics/arms/family.jpg

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http://www.goobage.com/pics/training/fp1.jpg

Vid (Rifle Match) (http://www.goobage.com/dl/rio_rifle.wmv)

Contractor/Vehicle Ambush training (I'm one of the ants on the left) (http://www.goobage.com/dl/HRCCFE.wmv)

I like to call this one "P90 and a Beer Belly" (http://www.goobage.com/dl/P90.wmv)

[stuffy]

are you seriously going to shoot this guy in the ass?
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m75/schmeep/fof001.jpg

[HTM Yaris]

Nice collection . What caliber is that Contender ? I have 1 in 35 Rem . I hand load my TC rounds with 200 gr PSP's . NOTHING walks away from that thing . NOTHING :thumbup:

[MudBug]

are you seriously going to shoot this guy in the ass?
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m75/schmeep/fof001.jpg

He's down already, I'm just covering him while I scan for other threats.

It was part of a Force on Force class using Training rounds and the bastard was stabbing a Quickie Mart employee during a robbery attempt.


Nice collection . What caliber is that Contender ? I have 1 in 35 Rem . I hand load my TC rounds with 200 gr PSP's . NOTHING walks away from that thing . NOTHING :thumbup:


.243 Rem. I use it for Javalia and Deer.

[SailDesign]

I'll stick with my .22 target rifle (12 lbs empty) and my 20-ga side-by-side-by, thanks all the same. That collection is too frikkin "survivalist" for my taste.

[MudBug]

I think it is great. He is totally supervised and his Dad has both hands on the gun the whole time. Awww that's cute. He even gave the kid ear protection.



Stats show that kids that grew up participating in shooting sports with their fathers do better in life than avg. They get better educations, better jobs, better relationships, less involvement in crime, etc.

Now this is not specific to Shooting sports, it's more about the time spent with their father/family than it is about the specific thing they are doing. It could be fishing, baseball, chorus, etc which are also things those same fathers that teach their kids to shoot do with their families.

The fact is that 2 things are more likely to happen if that father continues this with his son.

1.) The boy will grow up knowing about the dangers and safe handling of firearms so he will be less likely to have an accident with one, or mess with one out of curiosity.

2.) He will do better in life than kids that grow up without "That Kind" of interaction with their father.

[MudBug]

I'll stick with my .22 target rifle (12 lbs empty) and my 20-ga side-by-side-by, thanks all the same. That collection is too frikkin "survivalist" for my taste.


So, you don't have a taste for surviving?

[HTM Yaris]

Hey I'm one of those kids :smile: I can remember getting knocked on my ass when I pulled both triggers of a 20 ga sbs when I was 6 yo . I got both of those ducks BTW :smile: I shot this deer with a custom made 7X57 . I have killed 157 deer with my 7X57 . This # 261 :headbang: I hunted this deer for 3 years

[MudBug]

Hey I'm one of those kids :smile: I can remember getting knocked on my ass when I pulled both triggers of a 20 ga sbs when I was 6 yo . I got both of those ducks BTW :smile: I shot this deer with a custom made 7X57 . I have killed 157 deer with my 7X57 . This # 261 :headbang: I hunted this deer for 3 years



Oh SHit! Now you've done it, guns and killing your own dinner in one thread?

I'll get the beer if you bring the snacks, this could be a long night. :bonk:

[SailDesign]

So, you don't have a taste for surviving?

Surviving WHAT?!? Life? Yeah, bnut I don't have to shoot anyone to do that. Surviving nuclear holocaust? Rather be right under the first one, thanks. Private armies with machine guns ... Sorry - don't want to tread on anyone's toes here :smile:

Nah, count me out of the "shoot to survive" crowd. Nothing personal, but I seriously doubt anyone will have to in this country.

[MudBug]

Surviving WHAT?!? Life? Yeah, bnut I don't have to shoot anyone to do that. Surviving nuclear holocaust? Rather be right under the first one, thanks. Private armies with machine guns ... Sorry - don't want to tread on anyone's toes here :smile:

Nah, count me out of the "shoot to survive" crowd. Nothing personal, but I seriously doubt anyone will have to in this country.


I'm guessing that little hurricane thing in NOLA didn't get any air time on your local news.

[HTM Yaris]

Yeah , I remember when Hurricane Hugo came through SC in 89 . Things got real PRIMITIVE .No electricity for weeks. I was one of the few and smart who installed a manual pump for my wells . Peeps were lined up for miles and weeks to get fresh clean water from me . I didn't charge anybody a penny .
The Audibon Society offered to pay all my property taxes until I die . Which means I could retire right now to my 60 Ac farm and live off the land . But I love cars and guitars and will deal with the world for now .

[captainzerocool]

:coolpics:

haha.

[SailDesign]

I'm guessing that little hurricane thing in NOLA didn't get any air time on your local news.

Next time I can beat a hurricane with a rifle, I'll be sure to give you a call. Luckily, we don't have levees to break up here, we are all above sealevel to start with. :smile:

[spkrman]

Not what I prefer...but why the only in America title??? Seems like I've heard of animated cartoons preaching Jihad, and kids carried live grenades in Viet Nam, there were videos of kids laughing and kicking our dead servicemen being dragged naked though the streets in Somolia.....at least the Dad hopefully is teaching his son not to be afraid of guns, because someday he may need to use them. Hopefully someone will be there with a gun protecting me if I can't protect myself.:thumbdown:

exactly...

If the kid knows what a gun is, how to use it, and most importantly UNDERSTANDS the consequences of any mishandling... there is a slim to nil chance he will accidentally shoot himself/one of his friends/me in the face.

Now of course, if his dad tells him to shoot anyone/anything that gets within 5 feet of him or his mom... thats another story.

Point is, teach instead of hide... the unknown and forbidden is more attractive than candy to a baby.

[HTM Yaris]

Yup , you right . Can't beat a hurricane with a rifle , but looters , are different story .................

[blacksan]

Hey MudBug, You do not have nearly enough SBR's, or Cans! When you make it to the East Coast come and play with belt fire toys. So, air cooled, or water cooled veterans peak your interest?

[brickhardmeat]

LOCKED:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

any minute now

[blacksan]

LOCKED:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

any minute now

I really hope that this form is not that anal.:frown: Believe, or not it takes all kinds of folks to make this world go round. I personally do not base my feelings on any single subject, but more so the total essence which makes up a person.

Prejudice is no more then ignorance no matter what the subject matter is.

[HTM Yaris]

^^^^^^^Twin Brothers of Different Mothers ^^^^^^^^^


:clap: :headbang: :bow: :thumbup: :drinking: :thumbsup:

[blacksan]

^^^^^^^Twin Brothers of Different Mothers ^^^^^^^^^


:clap: :headbang: :bow: :thumbup: :drinking: :thumbsup:

Hey man, Ya wanna score some white tail in "Ol Virginie" some time soon give me a buzz! :biggrin:

[HTM Yaris]

Dude , YOU SUCK . Now I have to build a Mountain Rifle or 2 :w00t:

[blacksan]

Dude , YOU SUCK . Now I have to build a Mountain Rifle or 2 :w00t:

Shit Holmes, I have more then enough iron for you to borrow. If'in you are real good I might even let you borrow a seriously tuned bow for venison!!! You reckon that VA corn liquor and BBQ in the barn is cool? The wife is also welcome as we are able to behave in front of the ladies. If they don't I will bust there ass! :biggrin: I also spend some serious time harvesting the ground hogs during the summer.

So, if I borrow a spring compressor are you going to assist this senior in installing his springs at, or before the dragon the dragon?:cool: I raced AMA a long time ago.:wink:

[MudBug]

Next time I can beat a hurricane with a rifle, I'll be sure to give you a call. Luckily, we don't have levees to break up here, we are all above sealevel to start with. :smile:


It's not the water I'm talking about, it's the roving bands of thugs that filled the streets for a week or so after. PMC's and NG had to be called in to make the place safe again.

Dig deeper than the standard news reports, it got really bad there with criminal violence and armed looters. A rescue group from AZ got there and after seeing what was going on refused to work unless they could be armed. When they were told no by the mayor they said "screw this" and came home.

[MudBug]

Hey MudBug, You do not have nearly enough SBR's, or Cans! When you make it to the East Coast come and play with belt fire toys. So, air cooled, or water cooled veterans peak your interest?


I've shot them, AZ is filled with private owners and groups like Damage LLC (http://www.damagellc.com/compilationvideo001.html)


That I can get a chance to shoot almost anything I could want.

Also, if you watched the Contractor training vid you can see an M60 that is owned by a friend of mine that I get to shoot fairly often.

[HTM Yaris]

Are we changin the shocks as well (personally recomended) ? I was planning on arriving at the Dragon Fri the 22nd . It will take us 4-5 hrs if we use the spring comressors that u rent @ autozone . 3 hours if we use the vice type compressors that are found in auto shops . We will have to remove all the fresh air/windshield wiper motor stuff and all bracing . @ the dragon we will have to use muscle power versus air tools in a shop . Either way is fine with me . Just wanna know which game to show up at .

Do you know what corn liquor does to Native Americans ? Shit , throw in BBQ and guns ..... we might have to pay ole Dubya a visit :thumbup:

This is my schedule for the next couple of months .
June 2 Dragon Tenn
June 9 Autox Cola SC
June 16 Carolina Motorsports Park Track Days Kershaw SC
June 22 Dragon Cruise Tenn
June 30 Call for the hospital
July 7 Beach Isle of Palms SC
July 14 Autox and Track Days Cola and Kershaw SC
July 21 ****High Tach Motorsports Mountain Cruise **** NC
July 28 Call for the hospital


My Creek @ night

[YamilR]

Love the auto Glock, right now all I have is a Beretta PX4 .40 a 9mm Beretta M9A1, Mossberg 500 and a Colt M4, and would love to have a place like yours to go shooting

[redyaris]

Mud I thought you avoided this section of Yarisworld? Guess you found a thread worth your time.

[MudBug]

Mud I thought you avoided this section of Yarisworld? Guess you found a thread worth your time.


I was wondering when I would get caught. :thumbup:

After that dust up in the other forum I decided to make a pass through here and see what was up, and you're right, I found something interesting to me.

Yes, you caught me, I'm busted. :smoking:

[redyaris]

...and Mud for what its worth this left wing liberal believes in gun owners rights. Im all for protecting myself and my family against the 'underprivledged' of society. My wife and I have carry permits and are well stocked in self defense armaments around the house and in our autos.

Now those automatic cannons are another story!!!!!! Takes the fun out of hunting when you spray Bambi with 200 rounds a minute but will takedown a crackhead with no problem.

[blacksan]

Now those automatic cannons are another story!!!!!! Takes the fun out of hunting when you spray Bambi with 200 rounds a minute but will takedown a crackhead with no problem.

Hmmm, I along with many folks in my area have select fire weapons along with many other NFA controlled items and we don't use them to hunt. They are an area of interest that is not that easy to obtain, or feed due to financial considerations. When you try to legitimize the right of ownership by equating it to hunting that same argument could be used to restrict vehicles to a maximum federal speed limit and so on with every facet of our lives.

[redyaris]

Personally i dont see the need for over the top long-range automatic rifles when a 2 - 3 laser sight assisted hollow points will do what i need (if I ever need it). Im not aiming at a bad guy 100 yards away.

Whats the interest in these weapons anyway? Shredding targets? Mowing down protesters at a Chinese democracy rally? Could someone enlighten me?

Also im still clueless as to why a less than year old infant NEEDS to know how to fire a gun which is the topic of this thread.

[Ran Kizama]

im a huge proponent of compassion. its hard to show someone compassion when your pointing a gun at them...just zerotwo...It believe it's called "Gunboat Diplomacy" :smile:

[nsmitchell]

SPKRMAN QUOTE:
Point is, teach instead of hide... the unknown and forbidden is more attractive than candy to a baby.

That is a such a great statement. That is how I try to be a good father to my kids. I show them how things are instead of just saying no. My son has owned a .22 since he was 4 years old. It is a single shot with a scope and he can now shoot it just fine. Every time we go to shoot, we always talk about gun safety first. My son has a friend who's mother was concerned about "guns in the classroom". The teacher said we don't allow guns or toy guns in the classroom. The mother said, "these little green army men have guns. They need to be thrown away." The teacher was stunned, as was I when I heard this. Needless to say this mother was promptly put on my "Kooky Parent" list. My son is not to have this kid over our house anymore.

[blacksan]

Whats the interest in these weapons anyway? Shredding targets? Mowing down protesters at a Chinese democracy rally? Could someone enlighten me?

It's kind of like asking why doesn't everyone like golf, hamburgers, fords, public transportation, etc. I personally fielded a few examples during my stint in the military and find a nostalgic connection to them. On the flip side of the coin I also have an engineering background and enjoy the complex elements of design and function. You are assuming (so it seems) that one is intent on destruction, or criminal pursuit by simply owning one of these weapons? I also know of several examples that are purely collected in my area and never fired. I think that it is ironic that your primary intent (as I understand) on weapons ownership is for the possible use against a soft target (person) when I just personally enjoy shooting targets with my friends and I own the WMD's as you seemingly imply?:iono:

[redyaris]

Blacksan guns to me are to be used for one thing: personal self protection. I dont care to use them to shoot at bullseyes other than at a range.

To me its like driving an F1 Ferrari vs. a stock Ferrari. How much power do you need?

You are assuming a lot about me also none of which would be true. Notice that I dont assume anything about you blacksan except that I suspect you are a KISS fan? Btw, my favorite band of all time.

[blacksan]

Blacksan guns to me are to be used for one thing: personal self protection. I dont care to use them to shoot at bullseyes other than at a range.

To me its like driving an F1 Ferrari vs. a stock Ferrari. How much power do you need?

You are assuming a lot about me also none of which would be true. Notice that I dont assume anything about you blacksan except that I suspect you are a KISS fan? Btw, my favorite band of all time.

I respect your thought's. I just like driving an F1 to work. BTW, I guess you realize that I am not comparing my Yaris to an F1, right?:biggrin:

[spkrman]

SPKRMAN QUOTE:
Point is, teach instead of hide... the unknown and forbidden is more attractive than candy to a baby.

That is a such a great statement. That is how I try to be a good father to my kids. I show them how things are instead of just saying no. My son has owned a .22 since he was 4 years old. It is a single shot with a scope and he can now shoot it just fine. Every time we go to shoot, we always talk about gun safety first. My son has a friend who's mother was concerned about "guns in the classroom". The teacher said we don't allow guns or toy guns in the classroom. The mother said, "these little green army men have guns. They need to be thrown away." The teacher was stunned, as was I when I heard this. Needless to say this mother was promptly put on my "Kooky Parent" list. My son is not to have this kid over our house anymore.

And thats the kid who sees a gun.... has no clue what to expect... and shoots himself/your kid/his mom/me.

I can understand the idea of not having one around in the first place... but to hide ANYTHING relating to guns is ridiculous. How can you be prepared to step into a world where you have no idea what to expect?

Once you understand both sides of the story is when you are prepared to make a decision... deciding and acting without understanding is why the world is what it is today. Imagine the scientific breakthroughs if there wasn't such ridiculous $ and time dumped into destructive forces.

[Ran Kizama]

Imagine the scientific breakthroughs if there wasn't such ridiculous $ and time dumped into destructive forces.Actually, most technological and scientific advancements are made during times of war. Government and military pressure on the need for better weapons during international conflict have been directly related to the far greater majority of scientific advancements that we now enjoy in our day-to-day lives. :smile:

[HTM Yaris]

Every year I kill 3 deer and 3 wild boars so that my Granny doesn't have to spend $ on food . She spend her cash on beer and gambling . Just what 98 yo are supposed to do . :thumbup:

So guns can be used for more than protection

A good day for granny is sitting on the front porch drinkin 7 oz miller beer bottles ( 12 oz gets warm too fast , according to granny ) listening to blues on satellite radio , while watching the grandson drag her deer out of the swamp .

[MudBug]

Personally i dont see the need for over the top long-range automatic rifles when a 2 - 3 laser sight assisted hollow points will do what i need (if I ever need it). Im not aiming at a bad guy 100 yards away.

Whats the interest in these weapons anyway? Shredding targets? Mowing down protesters at a Chinese democracy rally? Could someone enlighten me?

Also im still clueless as to why a less than year old infant NEEDS to know how to fire a gun which is the topic of this thread.


Well the biggest reason is that they are protected by the 2nd Ammendment which has very little to do with hunting oe even personal protection and is almost all about military grade small arms.

If you want me to expand on that I'll break out my soapbox.

As for the other uses well I'll have to get back to you on this, I don't have time right now for the amount of typing and documentation this subject will take.

but here some pics that will give you an idea of the kind of shooting competition I enjoy.

Link to pics (http://www.cavalryarms.com/CS.html)

[ChinoCharles]

Real hunters use bows! :laugh:

[brickhardmeat]

Nugent:rolleyes:

[spkrman]

Actually, most technological and scientific advancements are made during times of war. Government and military pressure on the need for better weapons during international conflict have been directly related to the far greater majority of scientific advancements that we now enjoy in our day-to-day lives. :smile:

My point exactly.

Those breakthroughs are held tightly under wraps, used for destruction... and eventually work their way into everyday lives - but thats just a sideshow.

I'd like to see all that military forced transformed into something that will help everyone... instead of killing folks better :)

[YamilR]

My point exactly.

Those breakthroughs are held tightly under wraps, used for destruction... and eventually work their way into everyday lives - but thats just a sideshow.

I'd like to see all that military forced transformed into something that will help everyone... instead of killing folks better :)

If you think you can do it better why don't you join? It's very easy to sit behind a computer and say what the military should do. The day you contribute to the cause then I'll take your comment seriously.

[brickhardmeat]

I say we pull are troops and Nuke the shit out of the Holy Land. Might as well go ahead and Nuke China too. Then we can get Nuclear energy going again and solve our domestic problems and get our factories running again and vacation down in Cuba. That is after a hostile takover of course. We can turn what's left of those places into giant versions of Disneyland and use the ruins for movie sets for remakes of Planet of the Apes and stuff like that. Cool.:clap:

Etimago please lock this thread


:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[SailDesign]

If you think you can do it better why don't you join? It's very easy to sit behind a computer and say what the military should do. The day you contribute to the cause then I'll take your comment seriously.

I think the point was not how to do better what the military does, but to remove the military and concentrate that energy and effort into helping people, not killing them.
I think James Taylor had it right - "You just can't kill for Jesus".
Think about it.....

[brickhardmeat]

I prefer Circle Jerks----> "Killing for Jesus"

[SailDesign]

I prefer Circle Jerks----> "Killing for Jesus"

Why am I not surprised?... :bellyroll:

[punkasspiratz]

I'm sure Jesus would be proud.

[Typer73]

((passing around the Chill Pills))

[redyaris]

Threaddredge.

[kimona]

This thread is about as stupid as the one about "did some wicked drugs last night"

This isn't what Yarisworld is all about... or at least shouldn't be anyway.

Somebody needs to yank this one and a few others as well.