2019 Corolla Hatchback

[kimona]

What do you think?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/reviews/2019-toyota-corolla-hatchback-first-drive-the-unexpected/ar-AAwx9RX?ocid=spartanntp#image=AAwx56K|124

[Kalispel]

What do you think?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/reviews/2019-toyota-corolla-hatchback-first-drive-the-unexpected/ar-AAwx9RX?ocid=spartanntp#image=AAwx56K|124

Initial impressions:
- Gotta buy it in black to hide/blend that fish-face (iA inspired?) front styling.
- Overall nice styling & body proportions - minus the fish-face & cheesy fake exhaust vents.
- Thank goodness the big, goofy rally type spoiler is NOT standard on the XSE, but instead a OEM dealership option accessory.
- Wish they would have stuck with 17" wheels & a more practical tires for the real world on XSE. 18" is a bit cartoony big, and 16" (SE) is a bit too small.
- CVT w/launch gear has been getting good buzz. It is said to be quick off the line & feels like a regular automatic to drive.
- Nice balance between horsepower & likely fuel-economy (& it is rated better than the iM for MPG).
- Will probably feel a bit low to the ground for my tastes now.
- Not really a fan of the two-tone seats (XSE?), but I hear they are awesomely comfortable & adjustable.
- I would never use most of the 'tech features' that are in this car, so they are just dead weight & added expense for nothing (for me).

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[justanotherdrunk]

reminds me of the focus rs hot hatch

[thebarber]

Hard to believe that they had more power from less engine 15 years ago in my matrix xrs. And more space/versatility.

[ern-diz]

reminds me of the focus rs hot hatch

Except in the power train dept. 250 hp AWD vs 168 hp FWD.

Hard to believe that they had more power from less engine 15 years ago in my matrix xrs. And more space/versatility.

:cry:

[atomic_hoji]

I think with a little tweaking it'll be a great hot hatch... probably give the Subaru STI, Civic Type R, VW Golf R, Ford Focus RS etc.. a good run. :biggrin:
https://www.toyotaracing.com/article/2018/2018-03-28-aasb-to-drive-19-toyota-corolla-hatchba.html

More realistically, I didn't care for the Corolla iM - I did test drive it, and it was smooth and handled alright, but I couldn't stand the seating and visibility. I'm really curious to try the Corolla hatchback and see if it's better overall with the new platform; and the numbers on the new generation Toyota TNGA engines look amazing - really want to know how that 2.0L pulls a 3000# hatch around.

-- Adam

[Kalispel]

Except for the fog-lights possibly, the XSE trim has nothing (at least for me) to make it an attractive buy for the $3000+ or so more it costs. You could take the $$$ saved with the SE & buy some nice 17" wheels & tires that were better for the car, tint the windows with premium-grade film, etc. & still come out ahead. Plus, you wouldn't have that silver metallic trim around the stupid fish-face front, so it would blend even better in black.

The more I think about all the stupid crap they are putting into cars today, the more I appreciate my current car, lol. :thumbsup:

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[Captain Yaris]

Except for the fog-lights possibly, the XSE trim has nothing (at least for me) to make it an attractive buy for the $3000+ or so more it costs. You could take the $$$ saved with the SE & buy some nice 17" wheels & tires that were better for the car, tint the windows with premium-grade film, etc. & still come out ahead. Plus, you wouldn't have that silver metallic trim around the stupid fish-face front, so it would blend even better in black.

The more I think about all the stupid crap they are putting into cars today, the more I appreciate my current car, lol. :thumbsup:

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Spot on my friend! From time to time I think about getting an BMW M2, then I remind myself that it has synthetic audio of the engine noise piped through the speakers. Who on God’s green Earth thought that up?!

[ern-diz]

...synthetic audio of the engine noise piped through the speakers. Who on God’s green Earth thought that up?!

I posted about that feature on Wheelwell. I am not a fan, but you'd be surprised at how many people are. Some folks claimed hypocrisy by drawing comparisons to music, saying that most of what we listen to today is synthetic and not made by instruments. Was an interesting argument, but I'm still not a fan of artificial engine noise. For the same reason, I'm probably not going to install the exhaust tip I just bought from Kimona. Didn't realize it had baffling that changes the sound until it was too late.

Apologies, don't mean to thread jack.

[kimona]

"Synthetic audio" of the engine noise piped through the car's speakers? Faking the engine noise. That just seems weird to me.

For the same reason, I'm probably not going to install the exhaust tip I just bought from Kimona. Didn't realize it had baffling that changes the sound until it was too late.



BTW, the original tailpipe extends almost to the very end of the exhaust tip. So, if you don't cut the tailpipe back, there will be no perceptible change in exhaust tone; it will simply be a cosmetic mod. Try it, you'll like it.

[Runethecursed]

Initial impressions:
- Thank goodness the big, goofy rally type spoiler is NOT standard on the XSE, but instead a OEM dealership option accessory.
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.... I like the spoiler...

[ern-diz]

"Synthetic audio" of the engine noise piped through the car's speakers? Faking the engine noise. That just seems weird to me.



BTW, the original tailpipe extends almost to the very end of the exhaust tip. So, if you don't cut the tailpipe back, there will be no perceptible change in exhaust tone; it will simply be a cosmetic mod. Try it, you'll like it.

Oh, I see. That makes sense. In that case, I'll def try it; thanks again!

[kimona]

The car is certainly not beautiful, but quite acceptable compared to Toyota's other wicked ugly offerings. But, how about a more basic trim level L or LE? That would interest me more.

BTW, I don't care for those big screens sitting high on the dash.... as if a last minute add-on. Started with Mazda and seems to be catching on. Yuk!

[Runethecursed]

Im amazed at all the tech you can get for cheap.
Coming from a top of the line crown victoria in 2007 for highschool and eventually moving to my SUV I look at these new subcompacts and they have things like bluetooth, adaptive cruise control and a rear view camera!

Hell and in some Yaris' the rear seats are slide-able.... that is SO cool..

Id buy this. Throw on some sticky rubber in 17s and black the rims and chrome and ane exhaust... :D I probably will next year if I can get a buyer for my own yaris currently and get them to sell it to me for less than 27 out the door. by next year my saab will be paid off and honestly.. the new engine makes me happy. (the 1nz is nice but in stock form its undertuned)
http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.3963360.1525095700!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_750/2019-toyota-corolla-xse-hatchback-blue-front-quarter.jpg

[Kalispel]

While I think the new engine & innovative CVT w/launch-gear drivetrain is very interesting and cool on the 2019 Corolla hatch, I just can't get past those bizarre headlights & iA-derived fish-face front styling, OR the super-tacky, fake dual exhaust chrome ports in the rear. Perhaps they will get it right with the mid-cycle refresh in model year 2022. Until then, there is the new TNGA Corolla sedan making it debut in model year 2020 (hopefully not a sedan clone of the hatchback), and new TNGA Yaris in model year 2021 (assuming it isn't canned in the U.S. market by then, or all Mazda2 rebadges). I guess it is a good thing that I like my current car. At this rate, I will be driving it a good while more. :biggrin:

[BennyLava]

Mileage vs Yaris?

[Runethecursed]

Yet to be released my guess is low to mid 30s, more for the cvt.. less with the manual, cause... manual

[Kalispel]

Almost all the pics out there are that awful blue color. Here are some of the white XSE.

https://article.images.consumerreports.org/prod/content/dam/CRO%20Images%202018/Cars/April/CR-Cars-Inline-2019-Toyota-Corolla-Hatch-r-4-18

https://article.images.consumerreports.org/prod/content/dam/CRO%20Images%202018/Cars/April/CR-Cars-InlineHero-2019-Toyota-Corolla-Hatch-f-4-18

[kimona]

White looks so much better. Unfortunately, it's probably pearl white.

[Runethecursed]

White looks so much better. Unfortunately, it's probably pearl white.

https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/73947884/youre-entitled-to-your-wrong-opinion.jpg

[bradbowl]

I'm not a fan of how car manufacturers are going to a "tablet style" infotainment screen that sticks out of the dash. Looks cheap to me.

The gaping, wide mouth design of the front grill is less than desirable but that is Toyota's thing nowadays. The 2019 Avalon has an even larger mouth. :O

Overall, I think it's a step in the right direction. I would consider it if I was looking to buy a new car. I almost purchased a Scion/Toyota iM awhile back and this looks like a better car.

[Kalispel]

White looks so much better. Unfortunately, it's probably pearl white.

Out of curiosity, what do you not like about Pearl White vs something like Super White? Just not a fan of metallic flecks in the paint & prefer a flat white color - or is Pearl White just an off-white type color?

[CrankyOldMan]

Here's where I get stuck: 168 bhp, 3,000 lb curb weight. Compared to the 2ZR swapped Yaris, that's a small barge. Compared to the Fiesta ST, it's an Imperial Star Destroyer.

It's definitely a step in the right direction though!

[Runethecursed]

In fact of raw performance, It'll be slower, but the market isn't catered to power. Toyota builds cars that sells, and if the hatchback looks the spicey part but is turn key reliable for 200+K miles and comes in at a decent price, they won.

that all to be said. i would love to be on the GR team for making a Gazoo hatchback.. can you say turbocharged 250 hp in a hatch? I can... Ill say it again in fact. hahaha

[Kalispel]

The 2019 SE/XSE Corolla hatch will have about 25% more horsepower per pound of curb weight than the Yaris, so I'm guessing Toyota was shooting for an 8.0 sec 0-60 time for the automatic, while maintaining the same or better MPG as what the outgoing iM achieves. Practical, sensible, but still fun/pleasant to drive - exactly what most commuters want in a daily driver. :thumbsup:

[junorico24]

Would you pick this over a Mazda 3?

I am curious about the Mazda 3. Every review i see they say Mazda still the bench mark the most fun car in this segment. So I am like, hmmmm.. really? F it i might get one and find out what the fuss is all about...

:iono:

[Kalispel]

Mazda has various spotty reliability issues still (the Mazda2 iA/Yaris-Sedan included). They don't use crappy CVT's (which is great), but their regular automatics (& even manuals) have still been trouble-prone for many, among other things. Straight direct inject engines are also more trouble than they are worth, & require professional cleaning for carbon build-up every 30K miles. The new Toyota engine is a hybrid multi-port/direct-inject engine that shouldn't have the carbon build-up problem that straight direct injection has. Their new CVT w/launch gear also removes the feel/performance downside to straight CVTs & should be a lot more reliable than a regular CVT due to far less stress being put on the CVT due to physical gear doing what is normally the hardest work for the CVT. Toyota seems to have really upped its game on the new Corolla hatch (& likely sedan in 2020) across-the-board. If I was going to spring for 'newer-tech' than my Yaris hatch, I would definitely go with the 2019+ Corolla/Auris hatch over a Mazda. That's my personal take on it. I really want to like/support Mazda (& Subaru), but unfortunately they keep stepping in it when all factors are considered.

[kimona]

Out of curiosity, what do you not like about Pearl White vs something like Super White? Just not a fan of metallic flecks in the paint & prefer a flat white color - or is Pearl White just an off-white type color?

I generally like solid paints more than metallic, especially for red, white, and black. The only metallic paint I like is silver, and even then not too much metal flake.

IMHO, pearl white paints are unappealing colours that change and yellow under different light conditions and look horrid as the sun is setting.

[SirDigby]

Out of curiosity, what do you not like about Pearl White vs something like Super White? Just not a fan of metallic flecks in the paint & prefer a flat white color - or is Pearl White just an off-white type color?

...and also, pearl is not a metallic flake, that is a metallic flake. pearl is a...uh coating? it's a semi-translucent effect, like clear coat, but not clear.

all's i'm sayin' is you can have a flat color in pearl. that's all...

[justanotherdrunk]

i want one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lpx5njDCGI

[Kalispel]

i want one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lpx5njDCGI

I'm interested in seeing how the next-gen TNGA Corolla sedan (likely a pure sedan-clone of the hatch, sadly enough) & TNGA Yaris shapes up as well. I also want to see what the model year 2022 Corolla hatch refresh looks like in 3 years, or if they offer a hybrid version (which is supposed to happen sooner or later here). Even the 2019-2021(?) refreshed Honda HR-V might have some potential now if it stays away from an unreliable straight-up direct-inject or turbo engine. Direct injection engines suck unless they are paired with some supplementary port-injection to keep carbon deposits at bay, avoid engine problems, & costly cleanings every 35-40K miles. Toyota was smart enough to do this now that they are finally moving to newer engines, unlike most other short-sighted manufacturers who rushed them to market years ago.

Interestingly enough, a 2018-2021(?) black Yaris SE hatch is still on my radar, and seems more probable of a purchase for me really (new or low-mileage used), since I like the trustworthy, time-tested mechanics of the car, the basic size/profile of the car in general, & the fact that it has a minimum of stupid tech bloat. It's just more my kind of car really (simple & practical, yet still can be fun potentially). :thumbup: We shall see, when 2021-2022 rolls around.

https://images.autotrader.com/borderscaler/544/408/000000/hn/c/4c35c7846c28477f80a3267138662ffd.jpg

https://theawesomer.com/photos/2018/05/2019_toyota_corolla_hatch_awe_6.jpg

[Runethecursed]

fanboy wing and color and all. sad news the Toyota dealer wont take my yaris on trade..

[Kaotic Lazagna]

https://images.autotrader.com/borderscaler/544/408/000000/hn/c/4c35c7846c28477f80a3267138662ffd.jpg


:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:


Of all the Yaris pics out there, you managed to pick one from the dealership I used to work for! :bellyroll:

[Kaotic Lazagna]

IMHO, pearl white paints are unappealing colours that change and yellow under different light conditions and look horrid as the sun is setting.

:cry: You just made her sad.

https://scontent.fsnc1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/18891682_10213653883447711_8785478365869439985_o.j pg?_nc_cat=0&oh=9bb06f80272d1abb2e1a08c847dba169&oe=5BD52AE6

http://www.8thcivic.com/forums/images/smilies/rotfl.gif

[Kalispel]

Can't say that I am a fan of the front design, even in blending black, and the bulging hoodline is just odd. That front grill brings nightmares of the iA front styling. :laugh: Shame, because the rest of the exterior design is actually quite good, with the exception of the fake, tacky, dual exhaust chrome outlets. Definitely a love-hate relationship on my part with regards to the 2019 Corolla hatch (I also dislike interior design with the big standing tablet display). All-in-all, a black 2018 Yaris SE looks better to me, overall (in a charming, dorky sort of way), and certainly less pretentious.

https://95octane.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/2019_toyota_corolla_hatch_review_14.jpg

[toad]

Is it possible to be pretentious in a Corolla :biggrin:?

[kimona]

I think the rear end of the 2019 Corolla HB looks surprisingly like the front end of the 2018 Yaris.

[Whiplash]

Ah,so ugly.

[Kalispel]

I think the rear end of the 2019 Corolla HB looks surprisingly like the front end of the 2018 Yaris.

I guess Toyota is going through a bulge phase now as well. :bellyroll: Even the new 2019 RAV4 looks like a hulking, bulging, bloated mess, and I won't even get started on the C-HR design. I must be out of touch with U.S. consumer tastes big time. New cars from every automaker have become a seriously depressing prospect, for a variety of different reasons.

Is it possible to be pretentious in a Corolla :biggrin:?

Somehow Toyota managed to pull it off. :laugh:

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[Runethecursed]

Except for the fog-lights possibly, the XSE trim has nothing (at least for me) to make it an attractive buy for the $3000+ or so more it costs. You could take the $$$ saved with the SE & buy some nice 17" wheels & tires that were better for the car, tint the windows with premium-grade film, etc. & still come out ahead. Plus, you wouldn't have that silver metallic trim around the stupid fish-face front, so it would blend even better in black.

The more I think about all the stupid crap they are putting into cars today, the more I appreciate my current car, lol. :thumbsup:

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So I did this on the builder, and you can literally get the same color and wing,

the XSE has some nicer features like fog lamps (which im pretty sure I could install after the fact)

dual zone climate control,
a bigger touch screen
and leather interior

otherwise the SE has the rest, i think the front bumper is chrome'd vs grey'd out which is what i want anyways.

I did the pricing and heres the dumb of the dumb, you can order a brand new iM from the website, and its only about 400 dollars less expensive ( with the extra's I wanted) from the 19 corolla with the extra's I wanted


I want the wing, the rear bumper molding, the side kicker molding, all weather floor mats (honestly some of the best mats in the world..) and anything that says TRD on it (fanboy)
otherwise, keep everything else basic.
and exactly right, within a few months of ownership Ill probably have a suspension set and tires/rims on the car to suit.


that said

this is a mini rant and most of you can ignore. as I grow up I am finding it hard to appreciate the used car prices of certain hot cars. (s2000, FD rx7s etc etc) when you could buy this Corolla for around 22k (ish)
like the used market is favoring other cars for their exclusivity? Sure I get that, and if its your dream car go for it. I paid about 21k for a 2011 Rx8 R3 and loved it. back in 2015? would I pay that today? no,m it's not worth that to me anymore I guess

Maybe im getting old, but 22k (ish) for a new hatch with a manual and toyota's world famous reliability and ease of maint, that's a pretty good deal


too bad this yaris isnt moving anytime soon ;)

[toad]

the only thing i'm missing with the se vs the xse is the power lumbar seat. the xe is a 6-way and the xse is an 8-way(i guess it's a big deal in this segment to have that). i could care less about the fogs and 18 inch wheels(i agree with kalispel - they're too big!). right now i have a tempurpedic(sp?) lumbar support that i use with the yaris. it's nice with our camry that i don't have to use it(i've got a bad back). i notice the wheels are 5-lug. does anyone know the actual pattern/offset so i could look for 17 inch summer wheels on tirerack and use the 16 inch wheels for winter? thanks!

[Runethecursed]

i notice the wheels are 5-lug. does anyone know the actual pattern/offset so i could look for 17 inch summer wheels on tirerack and use the 16 inch wheels for winter? thanks!

I saw this too, Im betting (this isnt official) they'll be toyota 5x114.3 around 35 offset.

[Runethecursed]

https://preview.ibb.co/nE8EUJ/Untitled.png (https://ibb.co/bv7V3d)
There's a few reasons and most of them are crotchy old man related, but more and more it's like they don't care what you want, they care about selling product, and second off is they claim to be "car people" but still don't understand the difference between what I am looking for and wanting, vs just the name of something similar, specifically I had asked for a buildsheet on the new 2019 Corolla Hatchback in manual, the fancy blue color, with the TRD options all spec'd out, instead they want me to look at a current model sedan... cvt... and then calls me Corey. Maybe I am the oddball down here but this astounds me. I doubt I'll go back to this specific dealer for marketing and sales, maybe for maint still because there's two or three mechanics I really like but they are actual car people... anyways just a mini rant

[Kalispel]

Most dealerships/salespeople only care about selling something - SELLING ANYTHING AS FAST AS POSSIBLE, FOR AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. They could care less what you want or are looking for in a car, or specific model/trim/color. They are like stupid robots following a programmed routine to SELL SELL SELL, and probably don't even read 95% of what any email you send them says. Their apathy & lack of comprehension is astounding.

[bradbowl]

Hawaii dealerships will be getting them in 2-3 weeks. $25k for the XSE auto doesn't seem like a terrible price considering all the features you get. Of course, whether you actually want all those features/cosmetic enhancements/driver assistance tech is another discussion.

Thank goodness they didn't slap the gorgeous metallic blue from the Yaris on there or I would be tempted in a few years... :wink: That light blue color reminds me too much of the color on the Focus RS.

I agree with Kalispel that the front end looks similar to the Yaris iA and that's not a good thing.

[NYC-SE]

The Focus looks better.

[Kalispel]

Really crappy color choices on the 2019 Corolla hatch. That pukey, flat blue looks like something that only a teenager could love. The muddy new bronze color isn't half as nice as the Brown Sugar Metallic that was available for the Yaris in 2015-2017 in various NON-USA markets. Everything else is just boring basics - Black, White, Silver (sigh), & (generic) Red. Black is pretty much a mandatory color to buy on this if you want to hide/blend that horrid front iA-derived fishface grill styling.

The wheels on the SE Corolla are only 16", look dinky for the size/length of the car, & make the 55 series tires look like something from a crossover vehicle. Totally ruins the look of the car. 16" (with 50 series tires) is perfect looking for a Yaris, but not this car (with 55 tires). By the time you spend $1500+ to correct that glaring visual problem and add at least aftermarket 17" & 45-50 series tires, you might as well have sprung for the XSE & get more bang for your buck. Ughh. Glad that I still like the Yaris SE hatch better than the 2019 Corolla hatch, lol.

2019 Corolla hatchback XSE :barf:
https://images.hgmsites.net/lrg/2019-toyota-corolla_100648057_l.jpg

2019 Yaris/iA/Mazda2 Sedan XLE :barf:
https://soymotor.com/sites/default/files/styles/mega/public/imagenes/noticia/2019-toyota-yaris-sedan-2.jpg?itok=1VwQNjut

[kimona]

Nothing Toyota is currently offering in the US appeals to me visually.

[Runethecursed]

I will say....


as a tall guy


the corolla hatchback is a win

Went to a dealer to test fit myself with a helmet in an 86 and in a corolla hatchback ( without helmet haha) and of course the more verticle driving position really helped and my knees cleared

I am 6 foot 4 and 230 ish lbs with a 38 ish waist. my inseam I forgot but I am about equal length when it comes to leg/torso so for me I am way happy about that.

I still am not buying one (cool car but I got a daily... that's paid off!)

But in case any of you wanted to know. tall guy approved.

[justanotherdrunk]

My dealer has 'em and its a stick!

https://www.toyotasunnyvale.com/new/Toyota/2019-Toyota-Corolla+Hatchback-sunnyvale-bay-area-ca-9062890d0a0e0adf0f6c0770b5cbc6ac.htm

I'm afraid to go look I might trade the Yaris for it :laugh:

[justanotherdrunk]

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2019-toyota-corolla-hatchback-automatic-belies-reputation

[kimona]

^^^ Decent review. Motor, transmission, acceleration, ride quality, and fuel consumption are reasonably impressive. The new CVT sounds much more agreeable than the miserable CVT it replaces. Can't say I'm a big fan of that tall touchscreen display sitting atop the dash... which is fast becoming a trend. Cargo space seems really tight with the load floor being so high! Exterior styling is not as hideous as most recent Toyota models, though I could do without that stupid looking rear spoiler. And, $395 for that wretched blizzard pearl paint? Wonder what other colours will be available?

[Kalispel]

^^^ Decent review. Motor, transmission, acceleration, ride quality, and fuel consumption are reasonably impressive. The new CVT sounds much more agreeable than the miserable CVT it replaces. Can't say I'm a big fan of that tall touchscreen display sitting atop the dash... which is fast becoming a trend. Cargo space seems really tight with the load floor being so high! Exterior styling is not as hideous as most recent Toyota models, though I could do without that stupid looking rear spoiler. And, $395 for that wretched blizzard pearl paint? Wonder what other colours will be available?

I'm pretty much on the same page as you.

The new combo port+direct inject engine is perfect, and eliminates the carbon deposit problems of automakers foolishly using straight GDI engine designs. Likewise, the CVT w/launch gear pretty much eliminates the primary problems with CVT's - namely all the stress put on a traditional CVT system during initial get-up-and-go (especially if you have a heavy foot), and the accompanying crappy rubbery feel of the belts during that time. Very innovative of Toyota on both accounts.

Main dislikes:
- Fish-face iA-clone front grill styling, made even worse by the weird headlight shape. The chrome trim framing grill on XSE just pours salt on the ugly wound.
- Tacky looking chrome, fake dual-exhaust ports on rear bumper. Toyota should have kept the nice, classy exhaust setup as iM had (hidden muffler, and nice single exhaust pipe with OEM SS exhaust tip.
- Clumsy-looking, distracting tablet touchscreen shooting up from main dash.
- Didn't stick with balanced 17" wheels & 45 series tires (like iM) on either trim. You can either go with (slightly too large) 18" wheels & uncomfortable 40 series tires (XSE), or go with too-small (for that car) 16" wheels on the 55 series tires (SE). Both the 18" & 16" wheels have a nice design, but should have both been 17" with those same designs to differentiate models.
- Rear hatch has a bit too much slope to it in its attempt to look aggressive, at the expense of cargo space. My little Yaris probably has more space back there, lol.
- Lackluster and/or unattractive (to me) color options. Black or bust I guess. A dark/slate blue would have been nice, or a nice darker graphite color. Brown Sugar Metallic would have been nicer than that weird looking bronze-brown color they have.

[Kalispel]

I checked out the 2019 Corolla hatchback in-person yesterday (both XSE & SE), while waiting for my regular 40K maintenance service.

Front seats are comfortable & stylish. Doesn't feel as roomy/open as my Yaris, due to the way the cockpit sort of wraps around the driver, and the ceiling is lower. Not bad - just a different feel. Larger (rotund/stocky) people may find it sort of cramped, but it was okay for me (normal/lean build). Even at 6ft2in tall my Yaris ceiling seems unnaturally high (& probably why the front windshield is so damn tall), so I actually like the lower ceiling on the new Corolla better. Interior is more 'deluxe' than a Yaris, naturally, but still not a fan of the jetting touchscreen integration into the dash, nor the look/design of the air vents in general. Inside doors/design are nice & the handle is much better than the inside squeaky plastic handle/grip on the Yaris. :frown: Front door feels strangely elongated for a 4-door car & easy to bang into something when you open them, but perhaps just because I am used to the shorter, lighter doors on my Yaris 4-door. Center console/armrest, and more storage in general is nice on the new Corolla.

Exterior doesn't look any better in-person. In-fact, it looks/feels worse. Weird hoodline. Ugly front grill/bumper design, & ugly, weird/stupid shaped headlights. Rear bumper & side skirt pieces had a lightweight, thin, cheap feel to them (the iM felt like it had better materials quality in this regard). The chrome-painted plastic fake exhaust port inserts are just laughably tacky. Rear hatch slope is sort of annoying, but its cool that the hatch is made out of lightweight ceramic instead of metal. XSE wheels are a nice design, but wish they were the exact same thing in 17" instead, with tires that balance sportiness with practicality better. The 16" wheels on the SE Corolla hatch still look a tad too small for that car (reminds me of the small wheels & skinny tires the base Matrix had back in the day, that ruined the entire look of the vehicle). Those 16" wheels would look great on a Yaris though if they weren't 5-lug wheels.

The 'Scarlet' 2019 Corolla hatch looked to me in-person (outside, in bright morning AZ sunlight) more like a dark/burnt orange-rust color than red. It wasn't attractive. The 'Oxide Bronze' color also had a sickly look to it in-person. WTH Toyota? :thumbdown:

All in all, except for the new, more innovative engine/CVT design of the new 2019 Corolla hatch, I think I actually prefer the outgoing Corolla iM more in pretty much every other way. I am not interested in this car any longer, at least not in this current gen cycle version (2019-2021). :thumbdown:

[ern-diz]

...Front door feels strangely elongated for a 4-door car & easy to bang into something when you open them, but perhaps just because I am used to the shorter, lighter doors on my Yaris 4-door...

Funny you mention because us 2-door guys have literal airplane wings for doors. They're enormous and they don't have the built-in stopping points most cars have, or at least they're not nearly as stiff, because a light breeze will quickly send these massive doors into the car next to you.

[DarkShadowFox]

looks like a MAZDA 2

[junorico24]

Just saw this beauty in person. WOW! what a looker specially in blue and black line up in a row.

Right next to it was the 86. What beautiful sight. Toyota FTW!

For those who haven't seen it the metal you should it's a gorgeous car.

[junorico24]

My dealer has 'em and its a stick!

https://www.toyotasunnyvale.com/new/Toyota/2019-Toyota-Corolla+Hatchback-sunnyvale-bay-area-ca-9062890d0a0e0adf0f6c0770b5cbc6ac.htm

I'm afraid to go look I might trade the Yaris for it :laugh:


You will. It's a beautiful car when you see it close up you just find yourself looking at it in different angles. Close up, then you move away from it get a view from a distance then you get close again, get view of the side after that you move to the back. It's one of those cars where you check out every angle.It's beautiful. :headbang:

OMG! Toyota killed the designed of this car. What it needs now is a hot hatch version. It will be, FIRE!!:thumbsup:

[junorico24]

The Focus looks better.

Wrong!! I have seen a few focus Rs in person. Sorry to say. They look bland just like a regular hatch. You can't even tell they are special until you see the RS badge on it.

The Corolla is really a master piece. View it for yourself. Stop looking at pics.

[kimona]

These days, I don't think anything from Toyota even begins to approach "masterpiece" status.

Who is selling uglier cars than Toyota? Hmmm.... can't think of anyone.

[Hershey]

We looked at one and had sticker shock ! $23,000+. All these :eyebulge:, :eek: , :barf: , :bonk: , :moon: hit at that moment .

[kimona]

This single interior design feature would be a deal breaker for me:

[junorico24]

I'm impressed. I hope the Yaris gets the same treatment. :drool:

[justanotherdrunk]

at lunch today

https://photos.smugmug.com/Other/MISC-stuff/i-nKhR9Sh/0/6d4c237c/XL/20180830_120723-XL.jpg

[Whiplash]

Such a nice colour.

[kimona]

at lunch today

https://photos.smugmug.com/Other/MISC-stuff/i-nKhR9Sh/0/6d4c237c/XL/20180830_120723-XL.jpg


Pretty good looking there.


Off topic: Appears to have one of the TEq (Toyoda トヨダ) decals I custom made. I sold a bunch of them on craigslist.

[justanotherdrunk]

cool ^

[Kalispel]

Hate that pukey blue color, and what's up with that piece of black tape next to the driver's side vertical rear bumper reflector? Wasn't the plastic, chrome-plated fake rear exhausts tacky enough of a look?

I had a chance to check out the XSE & SE at the dealership last time I was there for service, & it was even more unattractive (to me) in-person (just like the CH-R - holy crap, don't even get me started on that POS). I dropped the 2019 Corolla hatch off my list, after giving it a good inspection inside & out. I like my current Yaris SE (or even an iM) better than the new 2019 Corolla hatch, & I have a feeling the new TNGA 2020 Corolla sedan is going to be more of the same, with very little difference from the 2019 hatch. What a waste of an interesting new engine & drivetrain. Wonder how bad Toyota will ruin the TNGA Yaris in 2021.

[junorico24]

https://d1ek71enupal89.cloudfront.net/images/blocks_png/TOYOTA/YARIS/5DR/17ToyYarHybExc5drBluFR1_800.jpg


https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/deathbattle/images/6/64/Vs.png/revision/latest?cb=20150618231458


https://c.slashgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/2019-toyota-corolla-3-980x620.jpg




No contest.Corolla wins:headbang:

[Kalispel]

Eye of the beholder I guess. I would rather own that Yaris hybrid you picture-linked above. :biggrin:

[toad]

give me the Corolla every day and twice on Sunday:biggrin:! i don't 'dislike' the current Yaris design, but after owning three in the Yaris-family the 2019 Corolla hatchback is very refreshing to me.

[junorico24]

give me the Corolla every day and twice on Sunday:biggrin:! i don't 'dislike' the current Yaris design, but after owning three in the Yaris-family the 2019 Corolla hatchback is very refreshing to me.

First time in history it has independent rear suspension and auto rev matching you can only find in performance hot hatch. 5 star NCAP rating.

Really this car is > over the current Yaris.:thumbsup:

[DarkShadowFox]

Funny you mention because us 2-door guys have literal airplane wings for doors. They're enormous and they don't have the built-in stopping points most cars have, or at least they're not nearly as stiff, because a light breeze will quickly send these massive doors into the car next to you.


they work fine for me.

[ern-diz]

they work fine for me.

The doors working and them being huge with not as stiff holding points are two completely different things, right?

I never said they don't work. They obviously work. What I said was that they are bigger than the average and don't have the multiple, stiff stopping points when opening that you'll get with a lot of other cars. For that reason, I'm always careful when opening them, especially when it's windy.

[DarkShadowFox]

The doors working and them being huge with not as stiff holding points are two completely different things, right?

I never said they don't work. They obviously work. What I said was that they are bigger than the average and don't have the multiple, stiff stopping points when opening that you'll get with a lot of other cars. For that reason, I'm always careful when opening them, especially when it's windy.

:iono: its called economy. Im used to opening them.

[ern-diz]

:iono: its called economy. Im used to opening them.

Again, whatever the reason and regardless of how used to it we are, they are bigger. It is what it is.

[kimona]

^^^ Yes. I didn't realize how big the doors were on my 2007 2-door until I got my 2014 4-door.

[ern-diz]

^^^ Yes. I didn't realize how big the doors were on my 2007 2-door until I got my 2014 4-door.

Yeah, they're giant.

I just realized Dark has a 3rd gen 3-door. Do you know if the doors on the 3rd gen 2-door models are as big as they are on the 2nd gen's?

[Dodge Aries K]

Well, I test drove the new Corolla hatchback. I loved it. So much so that I'm trading in my iQ, Matrix, and silver Yaris (my first one... *sniff*) for it. My back is getting ridiculously bad and maintaining a fleet of cars is getting harder for me so I'm downsizing my collection of cars quite a bit.

[ern-diz]

Well, I test drove the new Corolla hatchback. I loved it. So much so that I'm trading in my iQ, Matrix, and silver Yaris (my first one... *sniff*) for it. My back is getting ridiculously bad and maintaining a fleet of cars is getting harder for me so I'm downsizing my collection of cars quite a bit.

Very cool! Curious what were the features you liked the most?

Looking forward to pics!

[Runethecursed]

Seconded looking forward to pics. I already off'd my yaris but the corolla is just so good. if i had to go down to one car and dual purpose it. i think it would be near the top of the list.


black XSE?

[Kalispel]

I liked the US-spec 2019 Corolla hatch even less in-person when I checked it out. Nice car (mechanically) trapped in some ugly/tacky styling decisions. Shame that Toyota releases their nicer & more elegant styling in other markets & the US market gets the garbage. Eye of the beholder I guess.

http://www.autoguide.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Corolla-Axio.jpg

https://blog.gaadikey.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/Maruti-Suzuki-Hybrid-Sedan-Based-On-Toyota-Corolla.jpg

[toad]

Pics please(feel free to enjoy driving it for a while first:biggrin:). I got a feeling there's going to be a few more yarii showing up on lots for trade-in:wink:. IMHO it's just that good-looking! Congratulations :thumbup:

[Dodge Aries K]

I actually got the poster car, the gaudy bright blue xse haha. I'm a sucker for odd bright colors so it was the least "normal" out of the selections. If they had that bright green they had for the Prius C a while back I totally would have gotten that.

I have to say though that 2014 Yaris was a beast and owes me nothing. I put 50,000 plus miles on that car in the two years I've owned it and it's been fantastic. Really the only reason I'm doing all this besides the back issues mentioned before is I want something larger when the three of us and our two dogs go places. Plus with changes in my life I don't do as much taxi slave labor so having a dedicated vehicle for that just isn't necessary anymore.

[junorico24]

Corolla, Hyundai I30 and Mazda 3 is on my list.

I am willing to try all the flavors. Call me not loyal to Toyota but Oh well. :biggrin:

[kimona]

^^^ Loyalty is often blind and just a step away from insanity.

[Runethecursed]

I was a ford guy since my dad thumped it into me. and when trying out cars i thought subie was life for the longest time

my garage?
a rebadged chevy
and a honda that think's its 2/3rds a corvette and 1/3rd miata

[Captain Yaris]

Corolla, Hyundai I30 and Mazda 3 is on my list.

I am willing to try all the flavors. Call me not loyal to Toyota but Oh well. :biggrin:

Don’t worry, they’re not loyal to you. They haven’t exactly been supporting the “drivers” in the auto industry. Crappy designs, underwhealming power, very little aftermarket support, a nightmare to tune an ecu, ugly designs (did I already mention that?). I’m just about scared off. I think my ultimate plan at this point is to make my old Sienna my daily and restore my old Mustang for my jollies. The whole industry has gone into the sh***er and I’m about giving up hope. :brokenheart:

[kimona]

For quite a few years, I fully believed Toyota was the only car to consider... and that if it wasn't a Toyota, it wasn't worth owning.

I finally broke my relationship with Toyota and couldn't be happier. It took some time to get used to not owning a Toyota; I actually experienced emotions that accompany an act of disloyalty. But, I am thoroughly enjoying my 2 new non-Toyotas, and have no regrets and no interest whatsoever in any current Toyota models.

While I still believe Toyota offers the best long-term reliability, there are indeed other good reliable cars. Certainly, there are much better looking cars, far more comfortable cars, and other cars that offer great drivability... and "pride of ownership" as well.

[junorico24]

Imagine going through life just driving Toyota? I mean dang! You might be missing out on other rides LOL.

[Dodge Aries K]

Picked up the new Corolla this evening. I'll post up some pictures with my Yaris tomorrow since it's dark out now but I'm pretty happy with my decision so far. Hopefully it'll be like every other Toyota I've owned... rock solid and reliable.

[Kalispel]

Congrats on the new car. :thumbsup: From a core mechanical standpoint, it seems like a well-thought out, balanced car. Did you go manual or automatic?

-

[Dodge Aries K]

I got the automatic. It made me sad to go that way but for driving in Chicago style traffic a manual sucks. Besides, I have two stick Yarii and a stupid hard to find V6 5 speed Chrysler LeBaron convertible to drive around when I want to shift myself.

[Dodge Aries K]

Here's a picture of mine. Had the side moldings installed today at the dealer. I did the same with my black yaris when I bought it too, makes it stand out more. But so far I'm really enjoying this thing.

[ern-diz]

Nice; I think the car looks great, congrats. I'd happily drive one. As others have mentioned, it could have afforded to come with a little more power. Also, the fact that it's a hatch/wagon offered in manual and you didn't take them up on it hurts my soul quite a bit, but I can understand your reasoning.

Enjoy the hell out of her!

[Hershey]

Lookin' good ! Please , keep us updated on gas mileage , etc.. Enjoy . :clap:

[NYC-SE]

Congrats!

[Dodge Aries K]

Nice; I think the car looks great, congrats. I'd happily drive one. As others have mentioned, it could have afforded to come with a little more power. Also, the fact that it's a hatch/wagon offered in manual and you didn't take them up on it hurts my soul quite a bit, but I can understand your reasoning.

Enjoy the hell out of her!

Dude, me too! It killed me to pay extra for the automatic as well but... you know... life and stuff. But at least I got the two Yarii and the LeBaron to shift myself. If I was going to completely give up taxi and was in a bit better health then I would have gotten the manual for sure.

[Captain Yaris]

Congrats! Looks really good!

[junorico24]

Anyone know if they offer panoramic sunroof option for the base model manual trim?

[Dodge Aries K]

Don't know about Australia, but here in the US there is no sunroof option.

[justanotherdrunk]

Here's a picture of mine. Had the side moldings installed today at the dealer. I did the same with my black yaris when I bought it too, makes it stand out more. But so far I'm really enjoying this thing.


looks great and love the color!

its why i dont go to the dealer for a look because im afraid ill trade in my 2016 yaris for one

:thumbsup:

[Kalispel]

Was reading some user comments today under a professional 2019 Corolla hatch review on some website, and one guy indicated that he had purchased an XSE & the engine was found to be defective after a short time of driving it, and Toyota was shipping in a whole new engine replacement from Japan as a result. That doesn't bode well. :frown:

[Dodge Aries K]

Well, it's under warranty for 50,000 miles so hopefully there's nothing wrong with it! I just put 600 miles on it going to St. Louis and back with zero issues. It was very comfortable and pleasant for that trip.

[ern-diz]

I don't think there's ever been a car made that didn't have recalls and some outlier, total failures. Hopefully it's not a widespread issue.

[junorico24]

Don't know about Australia, but here in the US there is no sunroof option.

Good Morning Ric,

I have been trying to get in contact with you, but unfortunately the number given below are incorrect. We do not offer panoramic sunroof for all corolla models. But there are plenty more amazing features that these new range of corolla offer. Please get in contact with myself so I can run you through these features and more details about our new corolla.

Kind Regards,

Ninh Nguyen
New Sales Executive



Penrith Toyota

[Dodge Aries K]

Well, I did something crazy today. I bought ANOTHER Corolla hatchback. A blizzard pearl or whatever the hell they call white-ish SE model with a manual transmission. The dealer offered me 11 grand for my 2016 Yaris (which I paid $12,300 for when I bought it a year and a half ago) and also offered me a grand for my 1985 Chrysler New Yorker so I said the hell with it and took them up on it. So now I have two of these things and I pray they turn out to be reliable good cars.

The best part though... no stupid ass throttle lag. It's one of the reasons I really didn't drive my 2016 Yaris much because it was annoying especially after coming from the 2007 that doesn't lag for whatever reason or my LeBaron or whatever else.

But yeah, had a max of 5 Yarii... now we're down to just two. The project autocross 2007 hatchback my daughter and I work on together and my wife's 2012 L 5 door. I feel pretty sad about giving up my car but... it does no good if I don't really enjoy driving it.

[ern-diz]

You must have come away impressed with the first one to go for a second.

Pics or it didn't happen! :biggrin:

[Kalispel]

Deepest Condolences. :wink:

-

[Dodge Aries K]

Sorry it's not the best picture but it's the best I got for now haha.

[ern-diz]

:thumbsup:

[Thirty-Nine]

I spent a week with an XSE for review; 6MT and all. I have to say, I'm impressed. I'm literally writing the review now.

[toad]

Andy- Let us know when the review is up. You and your team have a great blog!

Karl- Congratulations! I'm interested in hearing your comparison of the two models.

[Thirty-Nine]

Andy- Let us know when the review is up. You and your team have a great blog!

Karl- Congratulations! I'm interested in hearing your comparison of the two models.

Thank you!

Here's the link:

http://www.subcompactculture.com/2018/10/review-2019-toyota-corolla-hatchback.html

59978

[justanotherdrunk]

:thumbsup:

[Dodge Aries K]

Well after a month with the se I ended up trading it for a 2012 Tacoma. I was going to get the xse instead but my truck is tired so now I have a much nicer one. Also, going to hold out for a high performance version that keeps being rumored lately.

The xse with the automatic that I have... Fantastic car. I love it.

[DarkShadowFox]

Well after a month with the se I ended up trading it for a 2012 Tacoma. I was going to get the xse instead but my truck is tired so now I have a much nicer one. Also, going to hold out for a high performance version that keeps being rumored lately.

The xse with the automatic that I have... Fantastic car. I love it.

high performance version where? europe?

[Leegamer]

With Toyota bringing back the supra and this new corolla that is midly "sporty" there is potential for the future, but I still won't hold my breath.

[Dodge Aries K]

I'm not holding my breath either... But once the Tacoma is paid off I'll get another manual Corolla hatchback, either whatever faster/better model comes out or the XSE model. They are fantastic cars, I just really didn't like the SE compared to the XSE.

[junorico24]

Did anyone see the new Mazda 3?

From initial look. I think the Corolla looks better.But that could all change when we get a more detailed look at it. Apparently it's coming in AWD as well as normal FWD.Now we're talking. Something not right with the Mazda 3 hatch the proportion is a bit wrong. The rear is too bulbous.Gone is rear IRS for a torsion beam.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOGcI9xx4D4

[ern-diz]

Did anyone see the new Mazda 3?

From initial look. I think the Corolla looks better.But that could all change when we get a more detailed look at it. Apparently it's coming in AWD as well as normal FWD.Now we're talking. Something not right with the Mazda 3 hatch the proportion is a bit wrong. The rear is too bulbous.Gone is rear IRS for a torsion beam.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOGcI9xx4D4

Saw that today but I'd like to see a Speed version.

[Leegamer]

The new mazda 3 looks fantastic. Oddly it has a torsen beam rear, which is pretty backwards for mazda, but that's not a huge deal. The fact that they are still offering a manual and several engines is fantastic. I think it looks way better than the corolla, and the colors on the pre-production models look amazing.

[tmontague]

Having both an IRS and torsion beam (semi irs) car, I feel the IRS is over rated for a daily commuter. Torsion beam is much cheaper to manufacture and there are only 2 bushings to worry about replacing vs 4-5 per side.

I've always felt.mazda does a good job of balancing fin with fuel efficiency and reliability. Whereas toyota is mostly all at the reliability end of the spectrum. I've always avoided mazda's like the plague due to the horrendous rust which is a huge issue for me. They become the worst looking cars on the road within 5-8 years down here

[DarkShadowFox]

Having both an IRS and torsion beam (semi irs) car, I feel the IRS is over rated for a daily commuter. Torsion beam is much cheaper to manufacture and there are only 2 bushings to worry about replacing vs 4-5 per side.

I've always felt.mazda does a good job of balancing fin with fuel efficiency and reliability. Whereas toyota is mostly all at the reliability end of the spectrum. I've always avoided mazda's like the plague due to the horrendous rust which is a huge issue for me. They become the worst looking cars on the road within 5-8 years down here

replaced my bushings now ill be the #fastest on #mtakina

[kimona]

Did anyone see the new Mazda 3?

From initial look. I think the Corolla looks better.But that could all change when we get a more detailed look at it. Apparently it's coming in AWD as well as normal FWD.Now we're talking. Something not right with the Mazda 3 hatch the proportion is a bit wrong. The rear is too bulbous.Gone is rear IRS for a torsion beam.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOGcI9xx4D4


The hatchback version is wretched ugly! Having a C-pillar that obstructive should be criminal.

[justanotherdrunk]

The hatchback version is wretched ugly!

looks like a hunchback

just hideous

[junorico24]

The AWD and manual hatch.

That combination has current Mazda 3 owners wanting to trade in their cars LOL.

The look of the HATCH is growing on me. I wasn't sure at first but it looks good.

A more detailed look.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DwY0rQ3Zms&t=367s

[DarkShadowFox]

The AWD and manual hatch.

That combination has current Mazda 3 owners wanting to trade in their cars LOL.

The look of the HATCH is growing on me. I wasn't sure at first but it looks good.

A more detailed look.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DwY0rQ3Zms&t=367s

how about turbo AWD and manual on a hatchback for once in toyota line up, lexus already makes turbo models so the tooling is there.

[NYC-SE]

Uh-oh:

2019 Toyota Corolla Hatchback recalled to replace the CVT

https://www.autoblog.com/2018/12/20/2019-toyota-corolla-hatchback-recalled/

[ern-diz]

Uh-oh:

2019 Toyota Corolla Hatchback recalled to replace the CVT

https://www.autoblog.com/2018/12/20/2019-toyota-corolla-hatchback-recalled/

That's not a good look.

Bummer :frown:

[kevinj93]

Yes, the recall is here in Australia too, most likely world wide.
Reports are saying the work takes 10 hours, so it would be at least an overnight stay at the dealers.

[DarkShadowFox]

should of just used a regular 4, 5 6 AT CVTS arent good for much of anything and there easily confused and horrible knowing toyotas programming.

if toyota cant build a reliable 4AT 5AT blah with sold shift points and manumatic then this company is doomed.

[Dodge Aries K]

I saw this. My car isn't affected. It's just cars between two dates that got shafted with a bad torwur converter.

[ern-diz]

I saw this. My car isn't affected. It's just cars between two dates that got shafted with a bad torwur converter.

Fantastic news :thumbsup:

[Dodge Aries K]

I haven't driven it in a while but so far I've had no issues with the car. Granted, I think it has 2600 miles on it so it hasn't gone too far