Paint Booth for Full Respray

[06YarisRS]

I've started the booth in my garage. Hoping to be done by mid-week. I bought 2 20" box fans and 6 furnace filters. Next is to procure lighting. I'm hoping to pick up used fluorescent fixtures and have a lead on a few 48" ones.

I built the frame so that it could be easily disassembled and stored. Each wall is screwed and glued with construction adhesive and each wall is detachable. I used strapping for cost savings. It's actually very solid. Once done, the entire thing will be covered in heavy poly sheeting and sealed with Tuck Tape.

Approximate dimensions of the booth are 19'(L) x 12'(W) x 7'(H). There is decent room all around but I wouldn't want to try painting a car much bigger in there.

I am leaning toward a negative pressure set up. I think that with the two fans and 6 filters, I should be able to evacuate the fumes/overspray quite quickly. I am going to rig up cups for the back of the fan motors to eliminate airborne material from going through the motor. However, I will probably experiment with a positive pressure system before making a final decision.

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[ezhacker1]

For a canopy tent setup spray booth my friend and I did. I cut up the box that the air mover fan came in and put filters all around. and vented the air out. Looking forward to see what you make. Jealous of the spacious room.

[Runethecursed]

From watching certain youtubers on positive ventilation, youd want the fans to have an after filter to catch stuff and even then... Ive seen better results with just a negative vent set up as the positive air tends to blow particulate on the paint.

[zoidberg444]

Nice. Can't wait to see your results. I may have to do this to my car sooner or later with all the dents and scratches. The clear coat is coming off around a dent/scrape under the petrol cap.

[06YarisRS]

For a canopy tent setup spray booth my friend and I did. I cut up the box that the air mover fan came in and put filters all around. and vented the air out. Looking forward to see what you make. Jealous of the spacious room.

Since I've never done this before, I'm really interested in your experience. Would you mind sharing more details such as what type of fan(s) you used, positive pressure system or negative, type of filter, how well the tent evacuated the paint mist etc. The more details/observations, the better, if you're willing. Thanks!

[06YarisRS]

From watching certain youtubers on positive ventilation, youd want the fans to have an after filter to catch stuff and even then... Ive seen better results with just a negative vent set up as the positive air tends to blow particulate on the paint.

My main concern is evacuating the paint fumes/mist. The thought of being in a room that is full of toxic and potentially explosive fumes makes me nervous. I just feel that a negative pressure system will get the stuff out of there quicker. My theory is that the higher the concentration of paint vapours to O2, the higher the risks associated. I have two box fans and when I'm done, basically 1/4 the back wall will be a filter. I also have 2 pieces of 32" x 45" furnace hammock filter and will likely use it to cover the 6 filters for added filtration. That's 20 square feet of filtered intake and about 6 square feet of exhaust. I will play with the configuration until I get the best flow rate with maximum air removal and an acceptable pressure - aka not too much suction on the walls. Since I'm doing a base coat/clear coat, a few small dust particles are a minor concern. I will likely be wet sanding and polishing the clear afterwards anyway.

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[06YarisRS]

Nice. Can't wait to see your results. I may have to do this to my car sooner or later with all the dents and scratches. The clear coat is coming off around a dent/scrape under the petrol cap.

Haha, well it's definitely an experiment. I'll try to control the variables that I can (sealing, ventilation, cleanliness, applying what I'm learning about painting etc) and those which I can't (skill, experience), I'll just have to hope for the best. LOL!

[zoidberg444]

Haha, well it's definitely an experiment. I'll try to control the variables that I can (sealing, ventilation, cleanliness, applying what I'm learning about painting etc) and those which I can't (skill, experience), I'll just have to hope for the best. LOL!

A trick i heard about with painting in a non ideal space is to get it really warm and then spill a few gallons of water on the floor to make it humid to try and drag some of the dust out of the air.

[06YarisRS]

A trick i heard about with painting in a non ideal space is to get it really warm and then spill a few gallons of water on the floor to make it humid to try and drag some of the dust out of the air.

Interesting. I've definitely heard of wetting the floor to keep the dust down.

[atomic_hoji]

Can't wait to see how this turns out, but so far it looks like you're on your way to an awesome setup. :thumbup:

I've done a few little paint projects with a basic HVLP setup in the garage. Regarding fans, I would imagine that you're best to to set the fans to draw through the filters and blow directly out of the garage - filter catches the particulate and you get the vapours right outta there. The trick of getting the floor damp does seem to help keep dust from getting kicked up by either a fan or the air from the paint gun if you happen to blow past.

That said, don't forget that if you're going to go through all the work of setting up a good paint environment that you'll need a decent quality filter / dryer on your air setup - the old beast of a compressor might leave oil in the air and I imagine your humidity is probably like ours (high, and miserable in the summer, lol) so there's a chance of water accumulation in the tank - both will impact your paint quality if they get pushed through the gun.

Of course, goes without saying, airflow and filters or not, please get the proper organic vapour P100 cartridge half-mask. :thumbsup:

-- Adam

[06YarisRS]

Can't wait to see how this turns out, but so far it looks like you're on your way to an awesome setup. :thumbup:

I've done a few little paint projects with a basic HVLP setup in the garage. Regarding fans, I would imagine that you're best to to set the fans to draw through the filters and blow directly out of the garage - filter catches the particulate and you get the vapours right outta there. The trick of getting the floor damp does seem to help keep dust from getting kicked up by either a fan or the air from the paint gun if you happen to blow past.

That said, don't forget that if you're going to go through all the work of setting up a good paint environment that you'll need a decent quality filter / dryer on your air setup - the old beast of a compressor might leave oil in the air and I imagine your humidity is probably like ours (high, and miserable in the summer, lol) so there's a chance of water accumulation in the tank - both will impact your paint quality if they get pushed through the gun.

Of course, goes without saying, airflow and filters or not, please get the proper organic vapour P100 cartridge half-mask. :thumbsup:

-- Adam

Thanks for all the awesome info! I did order a water/oil separator from Crappy Tire. It's not expensive so I hope it's up for the task. I'm also planning on getting one of those water traps that attaches directly to the gun. Yesterday, I placed a small order on Amazon, including a cheapie HVLP gun (as a backup and maybe for my primer), a 6000 series respirator with NIOSH cartridges (I now have 3 functional masks, though at least one probably has the filters at the end of their life).

My biggest concern is that my ventilation system will not work as planned; that I won't be able to get enough air flow. I want a negative pressure set up for quick evacuation but didn't want to spend a small fortune on expensive 'explosion proof' exhaust fans.

[atomic_hoji]

The little blue Campbell Hausfeld that I picked up at Canadian Tire or Princess Auto (can't remember which it was..) has worked well for me so far - though I've never test the air quality coming out of it either, and the small bit of paint I've done I haven't inspected closely; and probably shouldn't be.. lol. The sample cards and panel that I did with my Canadian Tire HVLP, a basic compressor with separator, and an economy line, single part straight colour paint (no metallic, pearl, etc..) gave a nice, even colour and decent gloss. I figure if I ever get the body on that truck straight, assembled, and ready for paint then it'll do just fine. That's is a lot of IFs ... :laugh:

I guess the old adage of what you want as a result vs what you want to spend applies - given the work you did on the low lip, I bet if you do a few practice boards and use some care you can probably put down a decent paint job that you'll be happy with; maybe at close inspection there are small imperfections, but hey at 50' it looks great! :biggrin: If you want the absolute perfect candy apple show car paint, well garage brew maybe won't work for ya.. lol

Glad to hear you've got the respiratory gear covered. A half-mask I assume? Only trouble I've had with half-mask is blow back (painting and cleaning in parts washer) into the face can irritate your eyes - safety glasses tend to fog up with the half-masks that I've used. Maybe just something to keep in mind if you spray into a fender well or other nooks and crannies..

I've worked with fans running when I've painted (spray, roller with a 2-part epoxy primer) or when using the parts washer full of varsol, thinner, diesel, etc..) and not had a problem - not that I want to say that and have you blow-up, I'd feel terrible, but while the products may be flammable the explosion limits might be higher you'll encounter painting - a good read of the MSDS and talk with the paint supply place should give you a better idea.

Can't wait to see how you make out! :thumbup:

-- Adam

[06YarisRS]

A few more pics...

Door to booth is the second panel of filters

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I decided to bring the booth right out to couple with the door. I was worried about vapours backdrafting into the garage. I'm seriously reconsidering the use of box fans for a couple of reasons: 1) I doubt they will remove enough air and 2) I worry about the open motor even though being an induction motor it's not likely to emit sparks.

https://i.imgur.com/JTch5xK.jpg

[ern-diz]

This is so cool.

[DarkShadowFox]

oh awesome when get some freeup time can i borrow your booth.

[06YarisRS]

The little blue Campbell Hausfeld that I picked up at Canadian Tire or Princess Auto (can't remember which it was..) has worked well for me so far - though I've never test the air quality coming out of it either, and the small bit of paint I've done I haven't inspected closely; and probably shouldn't be.. lol. The sample cards and panel that I did with my Canadian Tire HVLP, a basic compressor with separator, and an economy line, single part straight colour paint (no metallic, pearl, etc..) gave a nice, even colour and decent gloss. I figure if I ever get the body on that truck straight, assembled, and ready for paint then it'll do just fine. That's is a lot of IFs ... :laugh:

I guess the old adage of what you want as a result vs what you want to spend applies - given the work you did on the low lip, I bet if you do a few practice boards and use some care you can probably put down a decent paint job that you'll be happy with; maybe at close inspection there are small imperfections, but hey at 50' it looks great! :biggrin: If you want the absolute perfect candy apple show car paint, well garage brew maybe won't work for ya.. lol

Glad to hear you've got the respiratory gear covered. A half-mask I assume? Only trouble I've had with half-mask is blow back (painting and cleaning in parts washer) into the face can irritate your eyes - safety glasses tend to fog up with the half-masks that I've used. Maybe just something to keep in mind if you spray into a fender well or other nooks and crannies..

I've worked with fans running when I've painted (spray, roller with a 2-part epoxy primer) or when using the parts washer full of varsol, thinner, diesel, etc..) and not had a problem - not that I want to say that and have you blow-up, I'd feel terrible, but while the products may be flammable the explosion limits might be higher you'll encounter painting - a good read of the MSDS and talk with the paint supply place should give you a better idea.

Can't wait to see how you make out! :thumbup:

-- Adam
I don't know how I missed this but will read in its entirety and respond this evening. Thanks

Indeed, I'm not expecting perfection. I'm simply too impatient for that. So long as I have even color, good gloss and no visible dings, I can live with some paint imperfections.

Glad to hear you've had success with the fans and the various solvents you've sprayed. As young adults, we used to spray (sometimes with cans, other times with a compressor) all the time in garages without any mask, ventilation and with wood stoves cooking away. I guess one's sense of mortality creeps up with increasing age.

I have a couple 1/2 masks and another on the way.I just ordered a 6000 series reuseable 3M one and a set of NIOSH filters and pre-filters. One 3M is a disposable type that's only been used for about an hour. I never really thought about the blowback of paint/overspray. To keep 'in budget', I'll maybe try some kind of goggle as opposed to shelling out for a full face mask. I do have a painter's suit.

[bairjo]

I made a paint booth years ago. I used pvc pipe and fittings so it was easy to store when i was done. Used rolled painters plastic on all sides. I didn't put water on the floor for humidity. I didn't it was a good idea at all since that can affect the paint so i rolled plastic on the floor and drove the car in. Used a box fan to pull air out with a filter on an inlet window and a filter on the outlet. Worked out rather well for what i needed.

[atomic_hoji]

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Glad to hear you've had success with the fans and the various solvents you've sprayed. As young adults, we used to spray (sometimes with cans, other times with a compressor) all the time in garages without any mask, ventilation and with wood stoves cooking away. I guess one's sense of mortality creeps up with increasing age.
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I've found the amount of really stupid s* that I've done through life has gone down dramatically now that I have kids.. Age and responsibility just ruining all the good fun, 'eh? :laugh:

I've tried both regular safety glasses and the foam padded goggle type but both fogged up on me and I ended up taking them off - hence how I found out the hard way about eye irritants.. lol. Anti-fog spray might help a bit too. I'd guess that doing the long, smooth body panels you'll be ok in that regard - just be cautious doing up under fenders or under the spoiler, etc..

-- Adam

[06YarisRS]

oh awesome when get some freeup time can i borrow your booth.

Of course! :thumbsup:

[06YarisRS]

This is so cool.

Haha, I think so too. Should be fun!

[06YarisRS]

I made a paint booth years ago. I used pvc pipe and fittings so it was easy to store when i was done. Used rolled painters plastic on all sides. I didn't put water on the floor for humidity. I didn't it was a good idea at all since that can affect the paint so i rolled plastic on the floor and drove the car in. Used a box fan to pull air out with a filter on an inlet window and a filter on the outlet. Worked out rather well for what i needed.

Did you use a typical home box fan? I just pulled the trigger on a 24" high speed fan on eBay as I was getting sceptical about the box fans' ability to remove enough vapour. I got it for $65.00 USD and it's 1/3 HP compared to the what 1/25 HP of the box fans? Maybe the box fans would have been fine, but for an extra ~ $20.00 I feel more confident with the 24" high speed.

Here is the fan I bought... It's still not an enclosed motor, but I've got yards and yards of fiberglass furnace hammock filter so I'll rig up some kind of loose fitting 'hat-like' cover for the motor to at least keep the overspray from mucking up the motor internals. The hammock filter breathes quite well, so I'm hoping it won't heat the motor up.

https://www.globalindustrial.ca/p/hvac/fans/blower/comfort-zone-czmc24-industrial-drum-fan-24-3-speeds-high-velocity


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[06YarisRS]

I've found the amount of really stupid s* that I've done through life has gone down dramatically now that I have kids.. Age and responsibility just ruining all the good fun, 'eh? :laugh:

I've tried both regular safety glasses and the foam padded goggle type but both fogged up on me and I ended up taking them off - hence how I found out the hard way about eye irritants.. lol. Anti-fog spray might help a bit too. I'd guess that doing the long, smooth body panels you'll be ok in that regard - just be cautious doing up under fenders or under the spoiler, etc..

-- Adam

Haha, stupid stuff, don't get me started, LOL! I do appreciate the advice and I'm sure you're right that most any goggle will fog, especially when one is nervous and sweating. LOL! I'll make a point of being careful and paying very close attention to those potential trouble spots, for sure. :thumbsup:

[ezhacker1]

https://jet.com/product/Lasko-Max-Performance-Pivoting-Utility-Fan/161618d2d28348c5b19d9a4bb38b532c?beaconId=03085518-2d1a-4682-b737-b81e07b3fa52%2F8%2Fx~161618d2d28348c5b19d9a4bb38b5 32c&origination=PLP

I got this to do future paint booth. also doubles for a good work fan when im doing stuff outside. I like that its sill portable but the selling point was i can angle it however i want (good for summer days toiling outside). The smaller air mover we used on our paint canopy didnt do as much air flow so i just made a large cardboard board into a filter box cut a rectangle for the blower to fit the box. So it was blowing fumes into the box, not sucking fumes into a box , if that makes sense. It definitely did the job well, kept the paint dust overspray that lingers in air to a minimum. Ill find a picture of how fast it clogs the filter.

[06YarisRS]

https://jet.com/product/Lasko-Max-Performance-Pivoting-Utility-Fan/161618d2d28348c5b19d9a4bb38b532c?beaconId=03085518-2d1a-4682-b737-b81e07b3fa52%2F8%2Fx~161618d2d28348c5b19d9a4bb38b5 32c&origination=PLP

I got this to do future paint booth. also doubles for a good work fan when im doing stuff outside. I like that its sill portable but the selling point was i can angle it however i want (good for summer days toiling outside). The smaller air mover we used on our paint canopy didnt do as much air flow so i just made a large cardboard board into a filter box cut a rectangle for the blower to fit the box. So it was blowing fumes into the box, not sucking fumes into a box , if that makes sense. It definitely did the job well, kept the paint dust overspray that lingers in air to a minimum. Ill find a picture of how fast it clogs the filter.

That does look like a very nice and practical fan. Are you planning to make a full size (big enough for a car) booth?

[06YarisRS]

Installed my water separator...

My other gun and respirator arrived today to my US mailbox. Will pick them up this weekend.

https://i.imgur.com/A0bGZ2O.jpg

[ezhacker1]

It was a usual 10x10 canopy. Got most of the car in lol.

[06YarisRS]

It was a usual 10x10 canopy. Got most of the car in lol.

You got it all painted in the end, right? Job done!

I stumbled across another Amazon error...I think. I found a $70.00 18 mm paint gun for $18.09. I grabbed it and immediately after, the price went back to $70.00. I wanted an 18 mm for my primer anyway. Now I have 3 guns. I hope to god, I can at least paint with at least a tiny bit of skill, LOL.


I once bought a new Dorman transmission pan with plug - a nice heavy steel one - for my old Dodge Grand Caravan for $5.00. It was clearly a mistake as it too shot up to the regular price immediately thereafter. Amazon Victory! Love 'em!

[06YarisRS]

My neighbour told me of a guy about a kilometer from me that had some fluorescent lights he wasn't using. And how... The guy has about 20 48" 4 bulb T8 fixtures complete with bulbs from a demo. When I asked him how much he wanted for each, he said, "How does $5.00 each sound"? :clap: I bought 4 and he says if I need more to drop by. This guy has an amazing yard full of everything you can imagine. He also has a 24" industrial belt driven fan. It needs a motor but he's willing to part with it for basically change. It's probably a $1500.00 fan when equipped with a motor.

I plan to install my lighting (outside of the booth) tomorrow.

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[DarkShadowFox]

Of course! :thumbsup:

yaaay now to get to new brunswick. :X which side of canada is that on im bad with my provinces

[06YarisRS]

yaaay now to get to new brunswick. :X which side of canada is that on im bad with my provinces

Same side as you man. I think Boston is about 6 - 7 hours to where we live.

[WeeYari]

which side of canada is that on im bad with my provinces

...and even worse at pulling up a map ;)

BTW, it looks like no trip to NB for me this year. :(
Will only be the 3rd out of 29 years not making the summer vacation trip to see the in-laws.



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[06YarisRS]

...and even worse at pulling up a map ;)

BTW, it looks like no trip to NB for me this year. :(
Will only be the 3rd out of 29 years not making the summer vacation trip to see the in-laws.



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That's too bad WeeYari. There's always next year, and the year after and... :biggrin:

[06YarisRS]

Got the lights up today and man, she's bright. I don't think I'll need any more. The wiring needs a little tidying up - a few wire staples here and there. I pieced the wiring together from ends I had lying around. A bit of overkill with 12/2 supplying the lights when 18 gauge would have been fine.

I built frames suspended from the ceiling so that the lights could be out of the booth. The ones mounted directly to the garage wall will be covered with the poly, Or -I haven't decided - I might build another wall and not use the actual garage wall at all.

Please excuse the mess.

https://i.imgur.com/4Rk5RDh.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/uy4UWkU.jpg?1

[DarkShadowFox]

Same side as you man. I think Boston is about 6 - 7 hours to where we live.

time to breakout my passport.

[06YarisRS]

I will need about another 100 square feet of poly. I sllghtly underestimated.

https://i.imgur.com/KnqQ15p.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/UpgmZkL.jpg

[06YarisRS]

time to breakout my passport.

Dang right. After all this work, It would be sad to only paint one car in there. I do actually have a door ding to fix on my '08, so that will probably make an appearance in the booth too at some point.

[Runethecursed]

maybe I should send some parts over to get painted such as side skirts, spoiler and lip...

[06YarisRS]

maybe I should send some parts over to get painted such as side skirts, spoiler and lip...

Haha, you might want to see my work first. LOL! It may not be up to snuff.

[ern-diz]

Bad. Ass. :thumbup:

[06YarisRS]

Bad. Ass. :thumbup:

Errr...Thanks? I have been called both "bad" and an "ass" before, never on a forum though. :iono: :laugh: :laugh:

[06YarisRS]

Plan to do some testing tomorrow when the poly is done and it's sealed up. Not sure whether I should pick up 2 more box fans (Walmart has them on for ~$17.00 each), or incorporate my new 24" high speed drum fan. I can probably sell the new drum fan locally for $100.00 and get 2 more box fans and have some change left over. Surely that should move some air!

Anyway, the frame is built. It is light and slides into the garage door frame nice and tight. And, the door clears it so it can close behind it. I have not yet sealed the fan box but will do that after I decide on fan configuration.

https://i.imgur.com/xmf2nMz.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/BcxazdN.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/Xo8G4aD.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/AqbTG3c.jpg

[kimona]

Oh, that's coming along nicely.

[06YarisRS]

Oh, that's coming along nicely.

Yeah, it is. Thanks. Cant wait to test it with the fans. I'm a little afraid that the 24" fan will implode my booth. LOL! I do have quite a bit of square footage in intake filters. Looking at a small wind meter on eBay for ~$14.00. They say that a booth should have a minimum of 100 ft/minute air flow. My main goal is to get adequate air flow to keep the 'combustibles' in a lean state. :thumbsup: I'm probably overthinking this, but, again, my sense of mortality gets stronger with each passing year. :laugh:

[06YarisRS]

I plan to rebuild my fan bank tomorrow to add in the new 24" fan after taking it out of its 'trolley'.

This fan is incredibly powerful. Even with the booth still unsealed, it really moves a lot of air in the right direction. The 2 box fans may not even be necessary. However, as my biggest fear is inadequate ventilation, I think I should be able to rest a little easier now. All fans will at least have their motor areas covered with filter material. I have lots and expect I'll need to replace it regularly throughout the job.

I'll report on the effectiveness of the ventilation 'system' after everything is buttoned up.

https://i.imgur.com/v3dZVRh.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/8pqnYmI.jpg

[06YarisRS]

My little guy was very helpful, holding the fan frame while I tucked and stapled the plastic under it. Then we double sealed it with Tuck Tape.

I am going to install another fan I have up top in the center of the garage door. The garage door will be open all the way and the whole area covered in plastic. It's a lot of fans but it's helping me feel more comfortable about keeping the solvents in the air well below LFL (Lower Flammability Limit). Probably over thinking this...

https://i.imgur.com/jNQFcXx.jpg

[06YarisRS]

The work that I had done before resulted in several extra hours of grinding, sanding etc to remove it all. I am back to a solid base.

I wasn't happy with my tailgate from the first repair, so I've stripped it back and applied more body filler. The tailgate had some waves in it due to the collision before I bought it.

https://i.imgur.com/YIWA3m7.jpg

The car also had quite a few dings in the roof, hail I assume. I only found two small door dings. These are now fixed.

https://i.imgur.com/cU4YN0Z.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/LbiEyRO.jpg


The car is about 80% sanded with 120 grit. I'm using a 5" random orbital sander.

https://i.imgur.com/D3xdQpo.jpg

Since my paint booth is done, I hope to apply the 2K high build primer this week.

[06YarisRS]

I have spent some time tweaking my booth. Yesterday, I installed a small paint station so that I don't have to risk further contaminating the booth by going in and out to mix paint, get supplies etc. I am picking up my 1.8 mm priming gun today.

https://i.imgur.com/tVNo2WU.jpg

I have significantly improved the airflow with the addition of another 3' x 3' filter. This is the cheap hammock filter, blue in color, to the left in the pic. This has made a huge difference in airflow. The crossflow is quite good and in 'testing' the overspray in the air is pulled fairly quicky down and out. Final tweaks will occur with the car actually in the booth. On the right, I set up a temporary spray board to check spray pattern.

https://i.imgur.com/lRAjL9B.jpg

I still have to route the fan power cords out of the booth so as to have no electrical connections inside the spray area.

One thing I like about having the fans low is that apparently solvent vapours settle to the ground as they are heavier than air. The fans pull quite nicely across the floor and should clear out vapours under the car.

https://i.imgur.com/wVcers1.jpg

My primer arrives today. I still have to finish taping, sanding, multiple washes, and degreasing before spraying the primer. I bought Evercoat Feather Fill G2 polyester high build primer so I can block sand before painting. I may actually spray the primer outside on a calm day, sand and then bring the car into the booth for the base coat and clear coat.

[kimona]

Man, you've been busy!

[06YarisRS]

Man, you've been busy!

Yeah, a bit silly, eh? I've been wanting to learn to paint for a while now, so I don't mind the effort. If I'm successful at putting paint on decently, I hope to find a couple more small cars to paint and charge a small fee. That way I can recoup some of my costs. I should still be well under $1K for my paint job, everything included.

[06YarisRS]

Check out the air flow...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWfzezoN92c

[ern-diz]

She's a movin'!

[06YarisRS]

She's a movin'!

oooh yeah! If I fail at painting, I can always rent it out for poker games, I suppose. :)

[ern-diz]

oooh yeah! If I fail at painting, I can always rent it out for poker games, I suppose. :)

:biggrin:

[ezhacker1]

Does this mean you are venting the fumes straight to atmosphere outside?

[06YarisRS]

Does this mean you are venting the fumes straight to atmosphere outside?

Not ideal, but yes. With an HVLP there is apparently less overspray due to high transfer efficiency and therefore less VOCs emitted. I will likely be putting prefilters on my exhaust fans to catch some of the overspray. All of the products that I will be using fall below the VOC emissions limits for my province. Canada has similar regulations to states like California, for example. I'm in a semi-rural area and there's a good distance between us and our neighbours. There are no kids other than mine in the immediate area and mine will be away at day camps when I do any spraying.

[ezhacker1]

Good thing you thought it through, good that you don't live near anyone as well for venting. Our setup was very ghetto and "get it done" style. Even with the tiny air mover the filter was good and clogged, couldn't smell any of clear coat outside of the tent.

I now have a much better air mover and when i paint again, i want to like i said, have the filters surround the blower, (keep particles out of the innards)

[06YarisRS]

Cool! How did your previous paint job turn out?

I did a bit more work on mine today. Basically more sanding, a wash and I removed one door handle. The others will come off tomorrow. I just have to figure out how to open the doors after I remove the handles. Also have to figure out a way to mount my handles to paint them.

[06YarisRS]

I've basically had to remove all of the spray paint I put on the car and bring it back down to factory paint/primer (in spots).

Taping is a very time-consuming process, especially with all of the door gaskets. I would remove them but they appear to be glued in places. One door handle is off and the others come off later today. It took me a while to figure out how to reattach the door handle and make it work again. There's a little pin that rotates down to open the latch. At least I can open the door easily with the handles off. That was initially a concern.

Mud flaps have yet to come off and I'll probably take the liftgate handle off too. Was hoping not to have to wrestle the liftgate cover off again, but, oh well.

Still lots of sanding to do. Then a thorough clean, degrease and after that, the 2K primer. The urge to start spraying now is strong, but I must exercize patience.

I totally get now why a full repaint can be in excess of $3K - $4K.

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[WeeYari]

Tedious. I bet you could have removed head and taillights in almost the same amount of time that it took to mask them.

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[06YarisRS]

Tedious. I bet you could have removed head and taillights in almost the same amount of time that it took to mask them.

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You are probably correct. Though, I did removed one headlight before to replace a bulb and found it quite involved - unhooking the front bumper. The taillights I've never done before. But, yes, it probably would have been easier, plus facilitated a better quality spray job.

[WeeYari]

Fronts are much easier once you know the secrets. The rear are dead easy.

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[atomic_hoji]

Great job so far! :thumbsup:

Everything I've read says prep work is probably 10x (guestimate) the effort of what you'll put into actually priming and painting, but worth it when you're paint comes out looking great. Nothing shows an amateur (or poor shop) job like paint on trim, seals, windows, etc.. because they did a rush job prepping.

Keep up the great work, can't wait to see the end result!

--Adam

[06YarisRS]

Fronts are much easier once you know the secrets. The rear are dead easy.

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Ah ha. I am all ears for the secrets. The rear lights involve a bolt/screw behind trap doors in the rear panels, do they not?

Thanks.

[06YarisRS]

Great job so far! :thumbsup:

Everything I've read says prep work is probably 10x (guestimate) the effort of what you'll put into actually priming and painting, but worth it when you're paint comes out looking great. Nothing shows an amateur (or poor shop) job like paint on trim, seals, windows, etc.. because they did a rush job prepping.

Keep up the great work, can't wait to see the end result!

--Adam

Yes, I've heard too that it's largely in the prep work. One thing I did do was remove the belt moulding - and ruined one in the process. Both front ones were pretty gouged up anyway presumeably by an agressive ice scraper-wielding previous owner. I've ordered a new pair.

I think I'll pop the tail lights off as Wee Yari says they're so easy. If he reveals the secrets about headlight removal, I may do those too. That said, I have them taped pretty well and paint should get in well between the lights and panel edges. Then again, I already have half the interior stripped out of the car anyway.

Thanks!

[WeeYari]

Ah ha. I am all ears for the secrets. The rear lights involve a bolt/screw behind trap doors in the rear panels, do they not?

Thanks.Well... I really wouldn't say there are any secrets. Just gets easier 2nd + times. Just the 7 push pins and the grip'n'rip on the corners. I still get butterflies every time I yank on it. Swear I'm going to rip the clips to shreds. If you pop the headlights out, you will at least know your not painting over whatever crap may be under the lower edge. Also, you will be able to tuck away the overlap of the fender liner.

Correct on rear.

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[06YarisRS]

Well... I really wouldn't say there are any secrets. Just gets easier 2nd + times. Just the 7 push pins and the grip'n'rip on the corners. I still get butterflies every time I yank on it. Swear I'm going to rip the clips to shreds. If you pop the headlights out, you will at least know your not painting over whatever crap may be under the lower edge. Also, you will be able to tuck away the overlap of the fender liner.

Correct on rear.

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I get it re: worring about damaging the clips. I also worry about flexing my bumper too much with my new lip as it does have some filler on it. So, I think I'll reserve removing the headlights for the necessary bulb replacement at this point. Rear lights, I will have a look at. Cheers.

[zoidberg444]

Solid prep work mate. Its hard work but pays off. Puts me off doing my own spray jobs a bit. My own car could really do with having a dozen or so dents filled and a spray job. It would only get run into again though. [emoji853]

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[06YarisRS]

Solid prep work mate. Its hard work but pays off. Puts me off doing my own spray jobs a bit. My own car could really do with having a dozen or so dents filled and a spray job. It would only get run into again though. [emoji853]

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Thanks! Yeah, it is a lot of work. But, I'm hoping it becomes my new hobby and it's a great learning experience. I imagine I'll be a little wary in parking lots for a while after I paint it. I do have extra paint and supplies, so if I have to repair, that will be a good experience too.

[06YarisRS]

I picked up my base coat and clear coat yesterday. I saved some money there buying state-side. For a gallon of sprayable urethane (paint and reducer shipped in separate containers but premeasured) and a gallon of clear coat, I'm into about $200.00 USD. I picked up my 2K primer last week.

Hoping to apply the primer (about 3 coats), and block sand on Monday in preparation for spraying on Wednesday. It looks like Wednesday will be the perfect conditions - ~25C and low humidity. I had hoped for a medium reducer for the base coat, but they sent slow as that's all they carry apparently. I'll have to be careful to not get runs/sags but it should level better with slow reducer. The clear coat came with medium reducer.

The lacquer thinner is just for post base coat and clear coat gun cleaning and wipedown before tacking and spraying. I have acetone for the 2K Feather Fill G2 primer gun.


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[Runethecursed]

Desire to know more intensifies

[06YarisRS]

Desire to know more intensifies

Trust me, that shall be afforded. :biggrin:

[06YarisRS]

Here is the first coat of primer, It's still wet so a bit streaky here and there. In about 1/2 hour, I'll be going out to lay on another coat.

I had read complaints about the primer being hard to spray as it's so thick, but it went on nice, though a bit orange peely. There will be much block sanding to do before base coat.

I did not take off the remaining 3 door handles as I thought I'd see how well the gun got in and around. It did well on the primer. Metallic base coat might be another issue. But, I have learned about a control coat just after the last, still wet coat of base. You basically mist the car from further back and the metallics sink into the wet base coat and align properly. This may allow me to paint the car with the handles on.

I am extremely happy with my booth. There was absolutely nothing in the air during spraying. The high transfer rate of the hvlp gun and my serious airflow makes for a good set up.

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https://i.imgur.com/SuiW5NP.jpg

[ern-diz]

Thought of you and this thread over the weekend because I follow a YouTuber named, Tyler Fialko. He has a few crazy project car builds and I sometimes watch them when in bed and unwinding before falling asleep. He hadn't posted in about a month but before that, he had a few vids up where they were prepping an area of their workshop for painting. More recently, he came back with a couple vids of him painting his 'whorevette' in that area. For all the chatting that's happened about ventilation, take a look at these crazies!

https://youtu.be/oXK1MfkFS0A?t=2m27s

[06YarisRS]

Thought of you and this thread over the weekend because I follow a YouTuber named, Tyler Fialko. He has a few crazy project car builds and I sometimes watch them when in bed and unwinding before falling asleep. He hadn't posted in about a month but before that, he had a few vids up where they were prepping an area of their workshop for painting. More recently, he came back with a couple vids of him painting his 'whorevette' in that area. For all the chatting that's happened about ventilation, take a look at these crazies!

https://youtu.be/oXK1MfkFS0A?t=2m27s

Cool video! I'd think that all that overspray in the air would cause a rough surface on the clear coat as it dries and settles. It'll be interesting to see how well the base coat and clear coat overspray will be evacuated from my booth. There didn't seem to be much overspry from the primer.

I'm done all three coats now. Super impressed with the TCP Global 18 mm gun I bought. Put the primer on nice. But like I say, there's gonna be a lot of sanding in my near future. LOL.

[ern-diz]

Cool video! I'd think that all that overspray in the air would cause a rough surface on the clear coat as it dries and settles. It'll be interesting to see how well the base coat and clear coat overspray will be evacuated from my booth. There didn't seem to be much overspry from the primer.

I'm done all three coats now. Super impressed with the TCP Global 18 mm gun I bought. Put the primer on nice. But like I say, there's gonna be a lot of sanding in my near future. LOL.

:thumbsup:

[06YarisRS]

I put 4 coats of the Feather Fill on. Should be lots to block sand and get everything straight.

My plan is to block sand over the next couple days and shoot the base coat and clear coat on Wednesday. Kids will be away and the weather looks great.

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[Runethecursed]

.... i am half tempted to suggest to see a custom livery on this... but keep up the work! I can dream ...

[06YarisRS]

.... i am half tempted to suggest to see a custom livery on this... but keep up the work! I can dream ...

Haha, believe me I've at least thought of a color change. The only reason I nixed it is because I'd have to paint all the jambs, inner doors, trunk, hood etc etc. Way more than I'd like to get into.

I did see a gorgeous root beer brown metallic the other day. :biggrin:

[06YarisRS]

I have been toying with the idea of a racing stripe, or double stripes. The other pic I found is of a stripe kit available on eBay. It is around $38.00. It's available in a variety of colors including, gloss black and matte black.

As an aside, all of my sanding is done and I'm on schedule to spray my base coat and clear coat tomorrow. Getting neerrrrvous, here. LOL

I think this vinyl kit would look super cool in matte against my Silver Streak Mica! :thumbsup:

I thought about taping the car off and spraying the stripe on, but chickened out.

https://i.imgur.com/Rx6mCZO.jpg

[06YarisRS]

Let me start by saying that this has been an experience that I have enjoyed. I'm not convinced I'll do it again lol. Let me also say that I have an even greater respect for auto body technicians and painters after having gone through this. I watched basically every episode of the Gunman on youtube. This guy really makes it look way too easy.

Basically everythng that could go wrong, did. On the tailgate, the basecoat reacted with something that I'd obviously applied in my earlier repairs and had not removed. It wrinkled up at the two upper corners of the hatch, each about a quarter in size. I have saved enough paint and clear coat to fix this. I'll probably have to repaint the whole tailgate, I'm hoping that the thick clear coat will hold down what caused the wrinkle - that's why I went ahead and cleared. Humidity was very high so I got some clouding in the clear but thankfully it did dissipate. I got some small trash in the clear, but it should sand out. So much for my sealed booth, lol. My sanding of the primer was less that perfect, so there are a few spots that are a slightly different texture. But, the car did reach my intended expectations: it is all one color and it is shiny. :thumbsup:

I will definitely be color sanding the clear coat as it's a bit orange peely in places but I did use almost a gallon of clear, so I should have lots to sand. About 3/4 of the way through the clearcoat, my hand inadvertently turned down the regulator pressure. Suddenly the clear started going on super smooth. On my gun about 16 - 17 psi works best. I did get a couple runs, but these are easily sanded out.

I'd call it a 50, maybe 100 foot paint job, lol.

On to the pics:

Basecoat:

https://i.imgur.com/7spc59j.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/md9uKkv.jpg

Clear coat:

https://i.imgur.com/aYplSRM.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/GAv82Dn.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/3FZJHci.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/GTKvBrK.jpg

[06YarisRS]

I ordered the two front window belt mouldings as the old ones were in pretty rough shape plus I broke the clip on one before figuring out how to actually remove them. The old (rear) ones cleaned up super nice. I wetsanded them with 600 and then 1500 I had laying around. A little Meguiar's polish and a coat of acrylic and they look almost as good as the new ones. I painted the fog light bezels with adhesion promoter and about 6 coats of satin black, then a few coats of the acrylic sealant.

The badges have had 3M tape applied.

I'll post up some pics of the car after everything is put back on.

I will be repainting the hatch later this summer and possibly the rear passenger door as it has a couple of spots that detract from the overall appearance.

https://i.imgur.com/Dosds1s.jpg

[zoidberg444]

Damn. That really isn't bad for a DIY spray job.

The Gunman on YouTube makes it look so easy.

[06YarisRS]

Damn. That really isn't bad for a DIY spray job.

The Gunman on YouTube makes it look so easy.

Thanks! I definitely learned a lot. Next time, I'll block sand with guide coat. It was very stupid of me to not do that. I think I would have had a much, much better job had I done that. I basically rushed the job at the end. What I would give to back up 3 days. I have to keep in mind that it is a 12 year old car and it's got other signs of wear and tear. That said, I do feel regretful that I didn't take the time to properly sand.

There are some spots where the clear is not as thick as others. It's still a good covering in those spots. But, I would defintely pay closer attention and plan out a strategy. It's very easy to forget where you left off.

Overall the car looks decent, I suppose, in that it is all one color and fairly glossy. I'm having second thoughts about color sanding the clear coat. One, I don't want to run the risk of cutting into the base coat and two, it would only make the flaws in the base coat more pronounced.

[M4One]

Bravo for doing all that. Gotta ask though, why not go with a custom colour since you repainted the entire car? Not that there is anything wrong with going with silver.

[06YarisRS]

Bravo for doing all that. Gotta ask though, why not go with a custom colour since you repainted the entire car? Not that there is anything wrong with going with silver.

Thanks M4One.

Primarily, I love silver but the main reason is that I didn't want to have to paint all the jambs, inner doors, under hood, engine bay etc. I have seen some colors that would look amazing on the RS for sure. Most recently was a beautiful root beer brown I saw on one car. I think that if I was repainting though again, I might go for a white. I think white Yari look really great.

[06YarisRS]

Well, basically done. I still need to remove a lot of overspray - mostly from the older attempted repairs/painting I'd done. Also, a few bits of tape in the grille to remove. I have to paint the screen under where the plate goes. I'm afraid I'll have to do that with a paint brush. Tedius, but don't want any black on the new silver.

All the effort and it looks the same except for a couple things: It's all one color but the paint isn't as good as factory, two, there are no more dents and dings.

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[tmontague]

Great job, what do you mean the paint isn't as good as oem - what did you notice was different?

[kimona]

Looks like you've done an outstanding job there. I've painted a few cars in my time, and I know it takes a lot of hard work and patience. BTW, Toyota's OEM paint is pathetic.

[06YarisRS]

Great job, what do you mean the paint isn't as good as oem - what did you notice was different?

Thanks! Because I didn't sand enough the metallic flake didn't settle uniformly. In certain lighting, you can see the rougher texture. The metallic isn't completely uniform across all panels of the car. I think my spraying is not bad and if I'd had a truly smooth surface, it would have been more uniform and 'flatter', less peel effect. The primer went on quite peely and despite a fair bit of sanding - and it feeling smooth to the touch - it resulted in a somewhat textured base coat in areas.

[06YarisRS]

Looks like you've done an outstanding job there. I've painted a few cars in my time, and I know it takes a lot of hard work and patience. BTW, Toyota's OEM paint is pathetic.

Thanks Kimona! From my online readings the Japanese cars have flat (low peel, smooth) paint whereas European cars have more peel purposefully. I like the really flat smooth paint that 'was' on my Yaris before I repainted. I'd be interested in hearing about the cars you painted and your process if you're willing to share.

[WeeYari]

Everything always looks prefect in a picture.

Will be interesting to see if you are now anymore resilient to stone chips. Factory paint chips if you sneeze to close to the vehicle.

[06YarisRS]

Everything always looks prefect in a picture.

Will be interesting to see if you are now anymore resilient to stone chips. Factory paint chips if you sneeze to close to the vehicle.

It does indeed look better in pictures. Not sure about the paint chips. I used a medium solids acrylic urethane clear coat. It's reasonably thick on the front.

[atomic_hoji]

+1 on the great job man! Sorry to hear you ran into some trouble spots, but the photos really make it look like you've done a sharp job - that's gotta be worth at least a 50' job, lol.

As you said, big effort and lots learned - next time you'll be 10 steps ahead; be honest with yourself, you know there will be a next time.. :wink:

Keep us posted on the fix-ups when you do them, and thanks for sharing the awesome job you've done, it's been enjoyable to follow.

-- Adam

[zoidberg444]

I wish i wasn't on the wrong side of the pond otherwise i'd have you paint Betty. [emoji21]

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[06YarisRS]

+1 on the great job man! Sorry to hear you ran into some trouble spots, but the photos really make it look like you've done a sharp job - that's gotta be worth at least a 50' job, lol.

As you said, big effort and lots learned - next time you'll be 10 steps ahead; be honest with yourself, you know there will be a next time.. :wink:

Keep us posted on the fix-ups when you do them, and thanks for sharing the awesome job you've done, it's been enjoyable to follow.

-- Adam

Thanks Adam! I've decided to respray the passenger doors as they are the worst. I'll sand with 600 first and hopefully the clear will sand smooth enough to lay a couple of base coats and 3 clear coats. I have enough material remaining to do that. I will definitely post up the process.

[06YarisRS]

I wish i wasn't on the wrong side of the pond otherwise i'd have you paint Betty. [emoji21]

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I would love to!

[06YarisRS]

Scored a used liftgate for $150.00 today. It will need to be stripped, primed, sanded and painted. Although the clear is flaking off, the liftgate has absolutely no dings or even scrapes. It is 100% rust-free. I think this car was 'decomissioned' very early in its life. I'm going to refinish this off the car and then bolt it on. It came with the factory style spoiler too! Of course I have no use for this as I'll be taking the wing off my old tailgate and putting it on the 'new' one.

If this is the original paint, I'm really getting WeeYari's and Kimona's point that the paint on these cars - at least the clear coat - is a joke. This stuff can't be thicker than a human hair - wow!

https://i.imgur.com/lr5KhWk.jpg

[bradbowl]

Thanks for sharing your experience, this is a great thread. You deserve a ton of credit for your hard work. It's inspiring!

[06YarisRS]

Well, I'm definitely getting better at spraying paint. Doing an orientation coat (pulling the gun back and dusting the metallics on immediately after my final med/wet base coat eliminates any mottling and my base coat is super smooth and uniform with the metallic flake all in the same direction. I am learning tons. There are parts of the car that look much better than factory with almost perfect metallics and a deeper, glossier look due to more clear being applied. However, everytime I do some painting something goes wrong. This time, two things...

1) I had sanded the clear coat down with 600 grit to spray the new base coat. In one tiny spot, not realizing, I had sanded slightly through the clear right at the front of the door, lower style line. The base coat immediately wrinkled. I let the base dry, carefully wet sanded it and then laid about 4 dust coats of base with 15 minutes between each. Then, I laid down my final medium/wet coats. This solved the problem. You cannot tell now that there was any wrinkling.

2) My gun must have had some silicone or other contamination. I got many fish eyes. I am hoping to be able to sand these out and then do a quick flow coat of clear in a couple of days.

I am thoroughly enjoying this learning process. I am definitely improving but there is still much to learn and there are so many variables to contend with.

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[06YarisRS]

Thanks for sharing your experience, this is a great thread. You deserve a ton of credit for your hard work. It's inspiring!

Thanks very much, bradbowl. It's been fun and it's definitely helping me improve my patience. :biggrin:

[06YarisRS]

subscribed, this seems like a very interesting threadhttp://gshort.click/isna/8/o.png

Thanks terryna. Glad you're enjoying it.

[ern-diz]

Let's just go big and call this pass a learning experience and do the whole thing over again when done! That way it'll come out perfectly :biggrin:

Amirite?!

Guys?

[Runethecursed]

Let's just go big and call this pass a learning experience and do the whole thing over again when done! That way it'll come out perfectly :biggrin:

Amirite?!

Guys?

:iono:

[06YarisRS]

Let's just go big and call this pass a learning experience and do the whole thing over again when done! That way it'll come out perfectly :biggrin:

Amirite?!

Guys?

I'm going to do the liftgate next. Maybe next summer, I'll respray the whole car, or find another one to do so I can continue to practice.