What about the Yaris I a?

[bronsin]

Please tell me what you know about score? My son-in-law just bought one. Is it a joint venture with Mazda? Does it have a Maza transmission? Is it the 1.5 L Yaris engine? It was pretty expensive like $300 a month for sixty Months no interest.

[NYC-SE]

It's a Mazda 2 with a Toyota badge and an ugly snout.

[bronsin]

Does it have a Mazda transmission?

[BennyLava]

It's a Mazda 2 with a Toyota badge and an ugly snout.

That is unfortunate. What made Toyota decide to stop making their own Yaris?

[Dodge Aries K]

The whole car is a Mazda.

[bronsin]

I’m reading the engine is a 1.5 L 106 hp that sounds to me like The Toyota Engine that’s always been in the Yaris. I hope so because Mazda transmissions that are automatics are not known to be reliable

Well I can see A trip to the dealer is an order today to check this car out!

[bronsin]

Holy crap it really is a Mazda! A quick trip to you tube o save me a trip to the dealer. This is a big mistake and black mark against Toyota for pulling this crap! When you pay for a Toyota you expect to get a Toyota not a Mazda. Mazda automatic transmission suck In the long run.

I really have to keep my mouth shut and not tell my daughter and her husband about this.

Does Toyota still sell a real Yaris?

[WeeYari]

You're on here every day and your only now learning about the iA, and the Toyota/Mazda partnership? :iono:

[bronsin]

Of course I’ve heard of the iA but I had no idea it was a Mazda, at least not 95% Mazda. I always assumed it was mostly a Toyota. I am shocked Toyota would rebadge A car like that given their reputation for quality. I’m also alarmed no one seems to want to build a small car anymore.

[Runethecursed]

I am shocked, absolutely shocked.. Toyota not producing their own cars!
(https://youtu.be/SjbPi00k_ME)


I expect only as much, Toyota itself is a strong center for cars from Japanland, their work has expanded to BMW, Fuji Heavy, Mistubishi, and Mazda, I wouldn't be surprised if they were in talks with GM again too.


I just wish they'd make a damn good I4 again.. the last great i4 was the 22Re, which was bullet proof, since then things have been kinda eh... even the 2jz which is considered godly is still a cast iron boat anchor to me. Compared to little power houses like Mazda's skyactiv and ford's integrated turbo units toyota is lacking here

Hell the GRMN supercharged car is just a 2zr with an eaton m62 blower, its nothing but recycled parts ( albiet a good combo!) its nothing new.

[IllusionX]

We had a mazda2, before Mazda discontinued the 2 hatch. And it was darn reliable, except for the expensive oil pans.



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[Hershey]

Here's the real YARIS . https://www.toyotabharat.com/showroom/yaris/ . Much better looking . A shame not available in U.S.. Would
consider it .

[DarkShadowFox]

its a mazda 2 no room for tuning useless.

[DarkShadowFox]

Here's the real YARIS . https://www.toyotabharat.com/showroom/yaris/ . Much better looking . A shame not available in U.S.. Would
consider it .

actually the real yaris if you wanna get technical is a aygo. the yaris was released in 1999. to the UK and japan and europe first. india yarises are not real yaries. european style and jdm yarises are real "yarises" :mad:

[DarkShadowFox]

Please tell me what you know about score? My son-in-law just bought one. Is it a joint venture with Mazda? Does it have a Maza transmission? Is it the 1.5 L Yaris engine? It was pretty expensive like $300 a month for sixty Months no interest.

NO DONT BUY ITS A MAZDA ITS WAY SLOWER THEN A REAL YARIS. :cry:

[ern-diz]

From what I understand, here in the States, the hatchback is still a "real" Yaris.

The iA has been re-badged as the Yaris sedan, similarly to how the Scion iM became the new Corolla hatchback (except at least the Scion was still Toyota and not a Mazda at heart).

[bronsin]

Is there any chance of making a sticky for people wanting to know about the Yaris I a? I mean warning them that this is not a Yaris but a Mazda? :iono:

[Kalispel]

Most auto reviewers have fawned over the iA/Mazda2, as do most (poorly informed) auto buyers, despite the fact that both the automatic and manual Mazda iA transmission (& mechanicals in general) have already proven spotty on quality & reliability,- often needing replacement/repair while still under factory warranty. The 'modern' Mazda Skyactiv GDI engine in the iA (like most other pure direct-injection engine designs) is also prone to carbon deposits & will require expensive cleanings/maint. regularly to maintain form. It won't likely age well as a result. Newer tech, extra added tech-bloat in general, or even more gears in your transmission isn't always a better thing.

Thanks to giving the iA the Yaris name, many consumer metrics that measure reliability/quality in cars are already dragging down the rankings of the 'Yaris' model name, since they don't differentiate between the iA/Mazda2 Yaris & the real Yaris hatchback. The Yaris hatch already has enough (mostly ignorant) hurdles in the U.S. market to overcome, without appearing lower quality compared to other Toyota's, thanks to the iA/Mazda2 version Yaris dragging down its rankings.

It's a shame really, because the new 2019 XLE trim Yaris Sedan (iA/Mazda2) would be a decently cool little subcompact if it was a more-reliable, better-quality, better-designed car like the regular Yaris hatch. They added some nice, needed features/accessories (to the new XLE trim) for the 2019 mid-cycle refresh.

https://squir.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/t/o/toyota_yaris_sedan_2019_0004.jpg

https://squir.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/t/o/toyota_yaris_sedan_2019_0000.jpg

[SirDigby]

From what I understand, here in the States, the hatchback is still a "real" Yaris.

The iA has been re-badged as the Yaris sedan, similarly to how the Scion iM became the new Corolla hatchback (except at least the Scion was still Toyota and not a Mazda at heart).


correct

[Hershey]

Here's the Scion Ia / Yaris Ia owners forum . https://www.scioniaforum.com/ .

[bronsin]

A quick Look at the forum reveal some transmissions have already failed around 18,000 miles.

I wonder if Toyota could be sued for selling a Mazda disguised as a Toyota?:iono:

[WeeYari]

Since the demise of the Toyota built sedan, it has been well documented in the media how Toyota and Mazda formed a partnership to produce the iA based on the Mazda2. There is no shenanigans going on here. History is wrought with such partnerships. How many people buying Buick today know, or care that they are buying Opel? GM diehards for years buying Toyota when purchasing a Pontiac Vibe? Suing is just silly talk.

[bronsin]

Doesn’t hurt to look into it. I’ve bought two new Toyotas in the past 15 years from the same dealer. I would’ve done my research so I would not have bought the iA, but I’d be breaking the salesman‘s balls no end about this! I’m kind of surprised some lawyer hasn’t thought to file a class action lawsuit...maybe they have.

[ern-diz]

Wee is right in that this is not new in the auto industry and that they're not hiding it; it's a partnership.

To Bronsin's point, it does feel like a bait and switch no matter how transparent they are about it. I'm not even saying Mazda is bad, but there is a level of ridiculousness in going to buy a Toyota and being sold what is in fact a Mazda.

I feel the same way about the FRS/BRZ, I felt that way about the Corolla/Metro and I'll feel that way about the new Supra/Z4. It just doesn't feel right to me.

[bronsin]

Buyer Beware! I know my son in law thought he was getting a Toyota. :cry: Not a good way to do business! :mad: In the past five years he's bought a Tundra 4 wheel drive and a Toyota mini van from that dealer. Whats that $100,000? Id hate to be in that salesmans shoes when my son in law shows up...:tongue:

[WeeYari]

An old bronsin quote

Gas is below $2 a gallon. (why make small cars?) The Honda Fit is rated only average by Consumer Reports for reliability.:cry: Yarii are being made in France/made from Mazdas.:cry:

Is this the end of the world as foretold in the Bible/the Incas/Rasputin?

You did know, but forgot.

[bronsin]

That refers to the Yaris not the iA. When I heard my son-in-law bought the car he did alarm bells were going off, but I wasn’t fully up to speed on the situation.

[Kalispel]

I couldn't imagine making a major purchase, let alone even basic home/computer electronics, without first doing in-depth research of brand, model, trim, etc. It took me over two months just to select the individual hardware components (+ mATX case + 27" monitor) that I wanted on my last custom desktop computer build. I also spent a lot of time researching my 2015 Yaris before I bought it (not to mention tracking down a manual 5-spd white SE out-of-state (AZ dealers suck @ stocking the Yaris in any form) & then arranging long-distance purchase at the price I was willing to pay). I am definitely NOT an impulse or blind-purchase type of buyer. My basic nature tends to be to hyper-analyze everything. :laugh:

[ern-diz]

I couldn't imagine making a major purchase, let alone even basic home/computer electronics, without first doing in-depth research of brand, model, trim, etc. It took me over two months just to select the individual hardware components (+ mATX case + 27" monitor) that I wanted on my last custom desktop computer build. I also spent a lot of time researching my 2015 Yaris before I bought it (not to mention tracking down a manual 5-spd white SE out-of-state (AZ dealers suck @ stocking the Yaris in any form) & then arranging long-distance purchase at the price I was willing to pay). I am definitely NOT an impulse or blind-purchase type of buyer. My basic nature tends to be to hyper-analyze everything. :laugh:

At this point in my life, I'm the exact same way.

Many people are not.

[bronsin]

Very wise, you can’t be too careful!

[kimona]

I am definitely NOT an impulse or blind-purchase type of buyer. My basic nature tends to be to hyper-analyze everything. :laugh:

That's my nature as well.

And I would never consider the "Yaris" iA.

[Hershey]

We've had sales people make negative / sarcastic comments about how thorough I am when looking over a new / used vehicle . We also inspect the car exterior / interior at the dealer lot for any dents , etc. before driving off with the newly purchased car . It's recommended by C.R. and learned our lesson the hardway as younger car buyers .

[bronsin]

That's my nature as well.

And I would never consider the "Yaris" iA.

Me neither! But unfortunately my son in law is a very busy man who didn’t do his due diligence and trusted Toyota to sell a Toyota. That was a mistake! But what is done is done and now we have to figure out What to do about it.

[IllusionX]

Me neither! But unfortunately my son in law is a very busy man who didn’t do his due diligence and trusted Toyota to sell a Toyota. That was a mistake! But what is done is done and now we have to figure out What to do about it.Sell it and buy the "good" one. LOL

THB, nothing wrong with the mazda2. It is a great car. I've had the previous generation for 7 years and never had any problems with it except for a rusted oil pan. Just repaint it after a couple years, prevent it from rust and it's a good reliable car.

Although, he could have bought a Corolla for the same price.

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[bronsin]

Thanks I certainly hope you are right.

[toad]

nothing wrong with mazdas. in fact, i had a 323 for many years that i loved! if they still made the mazda2 in the hatchback for the united states market i would choose that over the current yaris hatchback. i just don't like the exterior lines of the toyota iA. it would look much better(i think) in 3-door trim.

[IllusionX]

Thanks I certainly hope you are right.Skyactiv engines are direct injection. Might want to look at adding an oil catch can to prevent build up in the intake valves.

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[ern-diz]

nothing wrong with mazdas. in fact, i had a 323 for many years that i loved! if they still made the mazda2 in the hatchback for the united states market i would choose that over the current yaris hatchback. i just don't like the exterior lines of the toyota iA. it would look much better(i think) in 3-door trim.

To reiterate, I'm not bashing Mazda. The FD RX-7 is one of my top 5 all time favorite cars and I'm a fan of many of their models. Having said that, more recent models and designs haven't been my cup of tea and I haven't heard great things about the 2/iA, specifically.

[Runethecursed]

To me the IA/2 is just a money maker for toyota, people will buy the toyota nameplate but toyota corporate trusts mazda's engine design and in the end the general populus feels good, both companies are being paid, and both toyota and mazda can shit out their beloved "car enthusiast" stylized cars

also their RX cars where phenomenal ;) I owned a few haha

[Hershey]

Bronsin , make sure your son in law uses a Top Tier gasoline for the Yaris Ia at all fillups . It's highly recommended for D.I engines . Here's a list of Top Tier gasolines . https://www.toptiergas.com/licensedbrands/ . The use of TOP TIER gasoline is likely in the owner manual . Have him look it up . Its stated in the '11 FIT owner manual ( below ) . The FIT is E.F.I. .

[bronsin]

All good information thanks!

[IllusionX]

Basically any gas station you encounter are top tier.. mobile1, Sunoco, esso...

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[toad]

in my area we have a lot of MurphyUSA stations(walmart pumps) and i personally use Kroger fuel(grocery store) due to the points i get from shopping there saving me $ on gas.

somebody a long time ago told me all gas was the same and they get them from the same refineries. i know BP adds 'invogorate' and Shell i'm sure does something because it's always the most expensive. sorry to get off topic on my fuel statements!

[IllusionX]

in my area we have a lot of MurphyUSA stations(walmart pumps) and i personally use Kroger fuel(grocery store) due to the points i get from shopping there saving me $ on gas.

somebody a long time ago told me all gas was the same and they get them from the same refineries. i know BP adds 'invogorate' and Shell i'm sure does something because it's always the most expensive. sorry to get off topic on my fuel statements!Yes, all the gas basically come from the same place..

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[Kalispel]

Bronsin , make sure your son in law uses a Top Tier gasoline for the Yaris Ia at all fillups . It's highly recommended for D.I engines . Here's a list of Top Tier gasolines . https://www.toptiergas.com/licensedbrands/ . The use of TOP TIER gasoline is likely in the owner manual . Have him look it up . Its stated in the '11 FIT owner manual ( below ) . The FIT is E.F.I. .

With pure direct-inject engine designs (like Mazda uses - and most other automakers for that matter), even top-tier gas will only address HALF the carbon buildup/deposit problem. They are simply flawed engine designs from a reliable, problem-free consumer ownership standpoint. Direct injection needs to be paired with port-injection to address the whole issue adequately, with regards to top-tier fuel detergents keeping carbon deposits at bay across BOTH problem areas. Toyota was smart enough to do just that with their new TNGA 2019 Corolla engine design. That's also another reason to LOVE the venerable non-direct-injection 1NZ-FE engine still being used in the Yaris.

[IllusionX]

With pure direct-inject engine designs (like Mazda uses - and most other automakers for that matter), even top-tier gas will only address HALF the carbon buildup/deposit problem. They are simply flawed engine designs from a reliable, problem-free consumer ownership standpoint. Direct injection needs to be paired with port-injection to address the whole issue adequately, with regards to top-tier fuel detergents keeping carbon deposits at bay across BOTH problem areas. Toyota was smart enough to do just that with their new TNGA 2019 Corolla engine design. That's also another reason to LOVE the venerable non-direct-injection 1NZ-FE engine still being used in the Yaris.An oil catch can should keep the intake valve pretty clean.

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[Kalispel]

An oil catch can should keep the intake valve pretty clean.

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Shouldn't Mazda (& others) be doing that from a design & factory-build standpoint? It should be standard equipment for straight GDI engine designs, if they care anything about building a reliable, trouble-free engine that stands the test of time.