2019 Yaris Hatchback dead in the US? The internet says yes!

[justanotherdrunk]

:cry:

no official word yet

https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/mark-phelan/2018/11/24/toyota-prius-c-avalon/2075236002/

https://autoweek.com/article/car-news/toyota-may-cut-nameplates-here-are-prime-candidates

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/toyota-car-lineup-cuts

[Leegamer]

That would mean no compact hatches, I guess. Technically the corolla hatchback would be considered a compact, but it's pretty big.

[matti]

:cry:

no official word yet

https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/mark-phelan/2018/11/24/toyota-prius-c-avalon/2075236002/

https://autoweek.com/article/car-news/toyota-may-cut-nameplates-here-are-prime-candidates

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/toyota-car-lineup-cuts

They only sell half a dozen of them each year, so it wouldn't surprise me. In all seriousness, though, why is the Yaris HB still around? Is it easy/cheap profits? Something else? (Note: I know nothing about the auto industry!)

[justanotherdrunk]

They only sell half a dozen of them each year, so it wouldn't surprise me. In all seriousness, though, why is the Yaris HB still around?

yes strange that it still exists in the us

i hear they sell a lot overseas

[Thirty-Nine]

Still not updated on the website. No update on press site. Probably dead. Then again, Prius also still says 2018 on toyota.com.

[Dodge Aries K]

When I have my Corolla hatchback and my Yaris parked next to each other the Corolla really isn't that much larger on the outside. I hope they don't kill off the Yaris though in favor of that piece of trash Mazda scrap heap but it wouldn't surprise me...

[2008RedHatch]

Local dealer [Elmhurst Toyota] still has a left over '18 2 door hatchback, white L trim. And it's the only new hatch in 20 mile radius. They have plenty of Mazda 2 based sedans, which seem to be bought by Uber/Lyft drivers.

However, Hertz has quite a few used 4 door hatches, 2016 and '17 years.

Corolla hatch is pretty cool I think, in XSE trim.

[ern-diz]

The writing has been on the wall.

Since having created an Instagram account specifically for my Yaris, I've found big clubs with separate chapters in Indonesia, clubs throughout Central America and more. I've enjoyed seeing them show the Yaris tons of love. I sometimes wonder and think about how maybe at some point in the future, we'll see a little retro resurgence of love from the Toyota community here in the US for the little Yaris; but that's probably just wishful thinking lol.

It was also interesting to see one of the articles predict the death of the 86, which I've heard before, while another felt it would probably survive.

[DarkShadowFox]

the corolla hatch is a really ugly poor excuse for a yaris replacement the car has been around for 19 years why are you going to kill off an affordable car that just needs things like what the GRMN gets into its us models why is adding more performance and stuff such a vast and bad idea to toyota so what if its faster then the corolla? its not safer then the corolla due to its size.

i dont see americas esp toyota aversion to quick performance hot hatches now all everyone drives is SUVs and crossovers and subarus and crap it gets old. were literally going to be the last of the modifiable japanese hothatches so we better go out swinging.

[Leegamer]

If they made a high performance yaris in the US I am willing to bet they'd sell even fewer yarii than they do now. Can't blame them for axing it if people aren't buying it.

The cost to develop a new gen yaris would be too much when they've just developed a new corolla that will likely cover that part of the market.

[DarkShadowFox]

If they made a high performance yaris in the US I am willing to bet they'd sell even fewer yarii than they do now. Can't blame them for axing it if people aren't buying it.

The cost to develop a new gen yaris would be too much when they've just developed a new corolla that will likely cover that part of the market.

nobody asked for a corolla hatchback its all corolla everything its getting old toyota used to be a good company that sold interesting things now its all bland like a dishwasher i want to spend 30k but i want it to look like im driving a car that doesnt stand out.

i want to drop the price of a porsche but make a minivan thats as slow as all the other vehicles.

old people car for old peoples

[Leegamer]

nobody asked for a corolla hatchback its all corolla everything its getting old toyota used to be a good company that sold interesting things now its all bland like a dishwasher i want to spend 30k but i want it to look like im driving a car that doesnt stand out.

i want to drop the price of a porsche but make a minivan thats as slow as all the other vehicles.

old people car for old peoples

The sales figures for small cars are trending down as everyone wants larger vehicles now that the tech is there for midsized cars to get more palatable gas mileage. I can't say I blame people. I have 3 kids and putting them all in my yaris is a bit of a chore, especially with the youngest requiring a car seat.

The only real benefit to a small car nowadays is the price, but the cost difference between something like a yaris and a larger car like a corolla or even a subaru forester is not that huge anymore.

I personally prefer a sporty, small car...but there are plenty of good ones from the 80s or 90s that you can pick up for fairly cheap and have fun with.

[stykerdk]

Yes its popular here in europe.
Specially here in Denmark where cars is highly taxed.
5105 sold in 2017 and 5482 in 2016.
And 4349 in the first 10 months this year.
Sorry its in danish salesnumbers.
https://www.bilimp.dk/Statistik
You can see 7 of the top 10 is micro and subcompact models.
It sells really well when you consider that its an old model, there will probably come a new one in 2019.
And i dont think that we will get a mazda in europe.

[Leegamer]

Yes its popular here in europe.
Specially here in Denmark where cars is highly taxed.
5105 sold in 2017 and 5482 in 2016.
And 4349 in the first 10 months this year.
Sorry its in danish salesnumbers.
https://www.bilimp.dk/Statistik
You can see 7 of the top 10 is micro and subcompact models.
It sells really well when you consider that its an old model, there will probably come a new one in 2019.
And i dont think that we will get a mazda in europe.

Europe gets all the nice hatches and diesel engines, but you guys pay ridiculous gas prices, so there's a trade-off. I guess I'd rather have fewer compact cars and keep paying under 2.50 a gallon.

[DarkShadowFox]

The sales figures for small cars are trending down as everyone wants larger vehicles now that the tech is there for midsized cars to get more palatable gas mileage. I can't say I blame people. I have 3 kids and putting them all in my yaris is a bit of a chore, especially with the youngest requiring a car seat.

The only real benefit to a small car nowadays is the price, but the cost difference between something like a yaris and a larger car like a corolla or even a subaru forester is not that huge anymore.

I personally prefer a sporty, small car...but there are plenty of good ones from the 80s or 90s that you can pick up for fairly cheap and have fun with.

and you keep walling a performance yaris hothatch why? it would sell well seeing how ford has no RS or ST anything and given the ease of already working on the yaris putting a performance motor in it would only make it the quickest thing on the street besides a engine swapped nismo nissan micra.

i dont want to buy a 80s or 90s performance car i want my performance yaris and i want it now.

[IllusionX]

The sales figures for small cars are trending down as everyone wants larger vehicles now that the tech is there for midsized cars to get more palatable gas mileage. I can't say I blame people. I have 3 kids and putting them all in my yaris is a bit of a chore, especially with the youngest requiring a car seat.

The only real benefit to a small car nowadays is the price, but the cost difference between something like a yaris and a larger car like a corolla or even a subaru forester is not that huge anymore.

I personally prefer a sporty, small car...but there are plenty of good ones from the 80s or 90s that you can pick up for fairly cheap and have fun with.The trend is going toward small AWD CUV. Blame the millenials.

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[kimona]

The trend is going toward small AWD CUV. Blame the millenials.



Certainly not a millennial. Nevertheless, as a long-time fan of all cars small, particularly hatchbacks, I made the move to (2) small SUV's more than a year ago... and I don't think I'll ever go back.

[ern-diz]

Certainly not a millennial. Nevertheless, as a long-time fan of all cars small, particularly hatchbacks, I made the move to (2) small SUV's more than a year ago... and I don't think I'll ever go back.

Assuming that's because they're bigger, offer more room, are more comfortable to get in and out of and more comfortable in general?

[kimona]

^^^ Yup. All that and more... but I don't want to hijack the thread with all the reasons I'm enjoying a small SUV.

If I told you which compact SUV I'm seriously considering for my next car, you'd all be shocked! Heck, I surprised myself when I fell in love with the car after borrowing it for a week.

[yarisimean]

Macan?

[Leegamer]

and you keep walling a performance yaris hothatch why? it would sell well seeing how ford has no RS or ST anything and given the ease of already working on the yaris putting a performance motor in it would only make it the quickest thing on the street besides a engine swapped nismo nissan micra.

i dont want to buy a 80s or 90s performance car i want my performance yaris and i want it now.

I have nothing against a performance Yaris, in fact I love the idea of it. It just doesn't make sense for Toyota in the US.

[yarisugi]

If I told you which compact SUV I'm seriously considering for my next car, you'd all be shocked! Heck, I surprised myself when I fell in love with the car after borrowing it for a week.
Kona? HRV?

Goodbye Yaris.

[kimona]

Although it sells well in other markets, the demise of the Yaris in the US was inevitable. It's an old-tech, low-tech, econobox hatchback... everything most Americans find unappealing and objectionable in a new car. But, these very things and it's bullet-proof reliability (and low cost of maintenance) are precisely why we all love this little car. Plus, Toyota has made a few hideous cosmetic changes the past few years that rendered the car even more polarizing, and has virtually done zero to promote the Yaris, which we all know is a great car. Pity.


*** BTW, not the Macan, Kona, or HRV.

[DarkShadowFox]

I have nothing against a performance Yaris, in fact I love the idea of it. It just doesn't make sense for Toyota in the US.

why not? if you added a fucking telescoping steering wheel it would sell like hotcakes.

[Leegamer]

why not? if you added a fucking telescoping steering wheel it would sell like hotcakes.


Can't say I really follow your logic. I'm basing mine on sales trends

[DarkShadowFox]

Can't say I really follow your logic. I'm basing mine on sales trends

it doesnt sell well because they dont add the telecoping steering wheel part that the rest of the US and japan and aus get so people dont buy it because you cant adjust the wheel front and back making it a very hard car to drive thats not worth 18k loaded.

[kevinj93]

it doesnt sell well because they dont add the telecoping steering wheel part that the rest of the US and japan and aus get so people dont buy it because you cant adjust the wheel front and back making it a very hard car to drive thats not worth 18k loaded.

Here in Aus the base model is the volume seller. Only the higher spec models get the telescoping steering column. In the base model, it only adjusts for height.

[DarkShadowFox]

Here in Aus the base model is the volume seller. Only the higher spec models get the telescoping steering column. In the base model, it only adjusts for height.

can you please send me the telescoping steering column part or diagram so i can order it so i can make my car into a mini corolla.

[stykerdk]

It is here, but i cant find a model without electric power steering.
http://www.japan-parts.eu/toyota/gr/2014/yaris/ncp131l-ahprkv/2_112330_017_508W/powertrain-chassis/4501_steering-column-shaft#45250

They can be found quite cheap on ebay, try contact some UK sellers for shipping to US.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_sacat=0&selcontext=productType%3ACAR_AND_TRUCK&selfil=2%2C3%2C1%2C9%2C8&selvel=Toyota~Yaris~2014~--%2520%255B2013-2016%255D%2520Hatchback~--~--&_clu=2&_fcid=1&_localstpos=&_stpos=&gbr=1&_nkw=steering+column+Toyota+Yaris+2014&LH_PrefLoc=3&_sop=15

[DarkShadowFox]

It is here, but i cant find a model without electric power steering.
http://www.japan-parts.eu/toyota/gr/2014/yaris/ncp131l-ahprkv/2_112330_017_508W/powertrain-chassis/4501_steering-column-shaft#45250

They can be found quite cheap on ebay, try contact some UK sellers for shipping to US.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_sacat=0&selcontext=productType%3ACAR_AND_TRUCK&selfil=2%2C3%2C1%2C9%2C8&selvel=Toyota~Yaris~2014~--%2520%255B2013-2016%255D%2520Hatchback~--~--&_clu=2&_fcid=1&_localstpos=&_stpos=&gbr=1&_nkw=steering+column+Toyota+Yaris+2014&LH_PrefLoc=3&_sop=15

they all have electric power steering.

[stykerdk]

I had that idea that the US 1,5 was with hydralic power steering.

[IllusionX]

I had that idea that the US 1,5 was with hydralic power steering.Only the echo. All Yaris (06+) have electric power steering

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[DarkShadowFox]

Only the echo. All Yaris (06+) have electric power steering

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mines a 2015 its power electrically assisted aka power steering. it just has a low speed controller that increases turning radius and tightens the gear ratio. its also a rack and pinion if anyone was wondering about the quirks and features.

[dogsridewith]

Zero attempt to sell any Yaris of any year in my region. I didn't even know what a Yaris was until seeing an ad for a ten year old 2007 on Craigslist. (I had a Tercel and a Corolla, and knew that the Echo was Tercel's replacement vehicle.)

[Kaotic Lazagna]

Wouldn't surprise me, back when I sold Toyotas, I never sold a real Yaris (sold a few Yaris iA) in the 3.5 years I sold cars. The US is all about bigger cars, specifically SUVs and CUVs. That's why Ford won't be selling any sedans/cars aside from the Mustang, and will just sell trucks and SUVs. Chevy and Cadillac are killing off many of their sedans, including the Cruze (wouldn't have thought that).

[bentjazz]

Toyota dealership in my area told me just today that the hatchback is done for the US market....

[dogsridewith]

Maybe they kill the goofy name and hideous face at the same time, then the same basic vehicle is reborn as something new. (The hatchback feature generally is not falling out of favor in the overall car market)

[DarkShadowFox]

Maybe they kill the goofy name and hideous face at the same time, then the same basic vehicle is reborn as something new. (The hatchback feature generally is not falling out of favor in the overall car market)

the yaris has been the yaris since 1999 toyota ruined it by buying a mazda too and over equipping it for 18 grand while the yaris was the same for what 2013-2017 with a facelift and some standard kit in 2015 and then an entirely new TNGA at 2018 but still kept the same motor, the sedan was faster and was oh so crappier.

i tried to get a performance yaris here so they made GRMN teased to toyota execs (aka lied) about the GR series coming as TRD here pushed parts onto a phased out FRS and other things and basically neglected the idea of a performance hatch so wew lad. were done here.

[justanotherdrunk]

she lives on in Canada

nothing about US yet

https://www.auto123.com/en/news/2019-toyota-yaris-hatchback-details-pricing-canada/65412/

[toad]

Maybe they kill the goofy name and hideous face at the same time, then the same basic vehicle is reborn as something new. (The hatchback feature generally is not falling out of favor in the overall car market)

maybe since toyota took the mazda2 and slapped their logo on it mazda could take the yaris hatch and rebadge it? :laugh:

[DarkShadowFox]

maybe since toyota took the mazda2 and slapped their logo on it mazda could take the yaris hatch and rebadge it? :laugh:

awd and turbo, if they do that ill buy the bebadged mazda hatch and turn into a yaris :biggrin:

[DarkShadowFox]

hey lets revive it give it a turbo 200 plus HP power seats, rain sensing wipers heated seat warmers, standard navigation, android and apple auto awd as an option and drop it down to just two models LE and SE and add an SE edition for the 3 door

[Thirty-Nine]

http://www.subcompactculture.com/2018/12/is-toyota-yaris-liftback-dead.html

[stykerdk]

http://www.subcompactculture.com/2018/12/is-toyota-yaris-liftback-dead.html

Try watch som crash videos on youtube with that model, and you will realise its not made for markets were the buyers Think about safety.
The xp130 is just retested by euroncap and Got 5 Stars again, the xp150 would probably get 0-1 Star just like the Fiat Punto and panda.

There will come a new Yaris for Europe within the next 2 years, you might get lucky and get it over there.

[DarkShadowFox]

Try watch som crash videos on youtube with that model, and you will realise its not made for markets were the buyers Think about safety.
The xp130 is just retested by euroncap and Got 5 Stars again, the xp150 would probably get 0-1 Star just like the Fiat Punto and panda.

There will come a new Yaris for Europe within the next 2 years, you might get lucky and get it over there.

no we wont because nobody bought it in the first place. the only people that buy the car are rental agencies.

[matti]

I think the Mexican-model Yaris looks cool.

[kimona]

This Yaris model looks similar in design to a Mazda CX3 or Honda HRV. Rather than call it a 5-door hatchback, just call it a subcompact SUV and it will probably be a real winner.

[toad]

i completely agree with you on calling it a 'subcompact suv'. not sure if the styling was intentional to take advantage of current market trends, but sometimes optics is all you need(even if there's no awd available). this is the 'look' people seem to be going for(not me- i like the old one better).

[Leegamer]

I actually kinda dig that, except for the grille

[DarkShadowFox]

This Yaris model looks similar in design to a Mazda CX3 or Honda HRV. Rather than call it a 5-door hatchback, just call it a subcompact SUV and it will probably be a real winner.

looks like a matrix.

[Leegamer]

looks like a matrix.

Maybe that's why I like it. I was a big fan of the matrix. My wife has the pontiac version, the vibe...and it is such a great car. 240k miles on it currently.

[DarkShadowFox]

and there it goes toyotas potential upstart to young tuners and trackday enthusasists and people looking for basic transportation is dead, dead because people would rather buy corollas, ick

[dogsridewith]

Still too many fake, arbitrary and useless details, lines and shapes. (Compare w/ a gen 2 yaris 4-door hatchback...and remember that some or many places in the US sold Yaris but kept it a secret at every organizational level...much as Ford USA did w/ the excellent little new Fiesta in 1978--the first "world car.")

Less is more.

Form follows function.

KISS (Keep it simple, stupid)

[DarkShadowFox]

Still too many fake, arbitrary and useless details, lines and shapes. (Compare w/ a gen 2 yaris 4-door hatchback...and remember that some or many places in the US sold Yaris but kept it a secret at every organizational level...much as Ford USA did w/ the excellent little new Fiesta in 1978--the first "world car.")

Less is more.

Form follows function.

KISS (Keep it simple, stupid)

still needs 200 hp optional awd telescoping wheel and heated and powered seats and a 5 speed or higher auto trans for better performance.

if ford can front the bill for that stuff in cars under 18k so can toyota, its just toyota being stubborn and not wanting to apex there best selling car the corolla.

its kinda like apple making there best software and hardware available on only the most expensive products.

[dogsridewith]

I won't say Toyota couldn't include a hot variant for you, but my 2007 Yaris has plenty of performance in all regards for my needs and tastes. (So much joy when its super tight U-turn saves a trip around a block in the age of one-way streets. Or turn into a mall parking lane and the first space in one arc.)

There should also be, on the same platform, an actual 4-door wagon in the line, and maybe even a high roof puffed-up sort of minivan.

Mind of Toyota should look at their circa 1990 Corolla Wagon (the last subcompact Corolla, where the 2wd wagon had the roof pushed up a bit and serious rear overhang w/ a large upright hatch...the 4wd wagon was pretty different and didn't excite me). Also the way Honda simultaneously included several variants of a new Civic generation in 1984. (The wagon was amazing...though one useless feature was the little roof windows at the very back.)

[DarkShadowFox]

I won't say Toyota couldn't include a hot variant for you, but my 2007 Yaris has plenty of performance in all regards for my needs and tastes. (So much joy when it's super tight U-turn saves a trip around a block in the age of one-way streets. Or turn into a mall parking lane and the first space in one arc.)

There should also be, on the same platform, an actual 4-door wagon in the line, and maybe even a high roof puffed-up sort of minivan.

Mind of Toyota should look at their circa 1990 Corolla Wagon (the last subcompact Corolla, where the 2wd wagon had the roof pushed up a bit and serious rear overhang w/ a large upright hatch...the 4wd wagon was pretty different and didn't excite me). Also the way Honda simultaneously included several variants of a new Civic generation in 1984. (The wagon was amazing...though one useless feature was the little roof windows at the very back.)

the mentalitiy of its fast enough its good enough etc is whats making this thing stagnate because toyota sees it sells hits there target of like 5000 and then keeps using the same platform, the more people complain about it needing to change or want a hot variant with nice things and stuff the more its going to happen, right now theres nobody for it or speaking about it at all so toyota has no reason we prob need atleasts 10,000 people willing to thrown down a 5k deposit on a hot variant for toyota to be happy.

i mean i am kind of working on my own variant of the GRMN using two different platforms, maybe if people throw money my way to "development" i can bring it to toyota HQ and convince them to mass produce it.

edit: just realized 50m is a HUGE budget for a hot hatch, but it would really get toyota talking. I know how to save this hatch but toyota wont let me/ help me do shit and its so infuriating. i may not have an engineering background but i spend about 17 hours a day planning my build and have the technical specs of this entire this gen lineup, if thats not dedication then idk what isnt.

[Leegamer]

what an ugly car.

I'm an ugly guy, I like ugly cars. :iono:

[DarkShadowFox]

I'm an ugly guy, I like ugly cars. :iono:

:frown:

[Leegamer]

:frown:

I'm more of a function over form dude.

[dogsridewith]

Just saw TV ad of Mitsubishi's 2019 lineup. The front ends are all so so excessive/awful that the gen 3 Yaris hatch's simple big grille is starting to look pretty good.

[Leegamer]

yeah 200 hp is function. power sets and telescoping steering are function. awd is function.

Agreed! And I'd take that in a fugly car over a fantastic looking car with none of that stuff.

[tmontague]

edit: just realized 50m is a HUGE budget for a hot hatch, but it would really get toyota talking. I know how to save this hatch but toyota wont let me/ help me do shit and its so infuriating. i may not have an engineering background but i spend about 17 hours a day planning my build and have the technical specs of this entire this gen lineup, if thats not dedication then idk what isnt.

Are you seriously surprised that Toyota didn't entertain that idea? I can guarantee that Toyota engineers have tossed your ideas around before and they opted against them for sound business reasons.

The majority of us stating we are interested in a GRMN state side would not actually want to or he able to put forth the cash to do so. There is a lot more that goes into deciding the fate of a car then cost. Whether we like it or not, Toyota as a business knows what they are doing and are clearly excelling at it.

If car enthusiasts alone ran car manufacturers then they would be bankrupt before a few years

PS: please do the readers of the forum a favor and use punctuation, it will make your posts readable.

[DarkShadowFox]

Are you seriously surprised that Toyota didn't entertain that idea? I can guarantee that Toyota engineers have tossed your ideas around before and they opted against them for sound business reasons.

The majority of us stating we are interested in a GRMN state side would not actually want to or he able to put forth the cash to do so. There is a lot more that goes into deciding the fate of a car then cost. Whether we like it or not, Toyota as a business knows what they are doing and are clearly excelling at it.

If car enthusiasts alone ran car manufacturers then they would be bankrupt before a few years

PS: please do the readers of the forum a favor and use punctuation, it will make your posts readable.

yeah but they can buy a BMW and re badge it as a supra. what a crummy company.

they didnt bin or toss anything im literally the only one assembling such a thing right now, if it takes me 5 years it takes me 5 years.

also i was the push behind the UK GRMN because i had a great relationship with UK Toyota who was responsive and had great customer service.

[tmontague]

There are many moving parts to running a successful business/company, Toyota evidently has that part figured out. Whether car enthusiasts like it or not, they know what they are doing. A business that makes a small portion of their customer demographic (read: enthusiasts) happy is not a successful one, they have to appeal to all and number one is their shareholders.

Do you have pics of your assembled or partly assembled GRMN? YW is not new to members making large claims, many were unfortunately nothing more then that...

[Leegamer]

The supra makes more sense than an awd forced induction yaris. Obviously most of us her would rather have a monster yaris but a sporty car that looks like a sporty car is going to be more appealing to the masses than a sporty car disguised as an econo-box.

Let's be realistic, the general public is not very well educated about cars and you almost have to make things obvious in today's market. The focus RS sold poorly in the US, as would a hot hatch yaris, whether we like it or not.

[kimona]

A "monster" Yaris would be cool, but how many customers would actually buy the ridiculously overpriced econobox? It would certainly be a major fail for Toyota America.

[Leegamer]

A "monster" Yaris would be cool, but how many customers would actually buy the ridiculously overpriced econobox? It would certainly be a major fail for Toyota America.

Exactly.


And with time, tools, and 50k I bet a garage-built awd yaris could be achieved. Where I live if you have a vin and pass a safety inspection once a year your car is road-legal, lol.

[DarkShadowFox]

There are many moving parts to running a successful business/company, Toyota evidently has that part figured out. Whether car enthusiasts like it or not, they know what they are doing. A business that makes a small portion of their customer demographic (read: enthusiasts) happy is not a successful one, they have to appeal to all and number one is their shareholders.

Do you have pics of your assembled or partly assembled GRMN? YW is not new to members making large claims, many were unfortunately nothing more then that...

yeah i have a rear bumper tailights a steering wheel a spoiler im missing the front bumper and rims and the sideskirts.

the hard part is not finding the parts the hard part is the money

*points at build thread*

[DarkShadowFox]

A "monster" Yaris would be cool, but how many customers would actually buy the ridiculously overpriced econobox? It would certainly be a major fail for Toyota America.

well because toyota america sucks and caters to a demographic of suvs and moms.

its why all the 90s sportscars failed, there only going with a BMW so it attracts people that will actually want to buy a car

BMW makes people wet in the panties and rush to it even its a steaming pile of junk toyota cant sell a sports machine even if they wanted to?

but they can sell the GRMN overseas when its perfectly legal here, i think fords just jealous toyota can make a faster car for cheaper.

[DarkShadowFox]

Exactly.


And with time, tools, and 50k I bet a garage-built awd yaris could be achieved. Where I live if you have a vin and pass a safety inspection once a year your car is road-legal, lol.


well i dont have 50k and i half half the parts, so. yeah. lmao. GL.

[DarkShadowFox]

The supra makes more sense than an awd forced induction yaris. Obviously most of us her would rather have a monster yaris but a sporty car that looks like a sporty car is going to be more appealing to the masses than a sporty car disguised as an econo-box.

Let's be realistic, the general public is not very well educated about cars and you almost have to make things obvious in today's market. The focus RS sold poorly in the US, as would a hot hatch yaris, whether we like it or not.

the ford focus RS sold poorly because people want SUVS to be "up high and feel safe and because they need AWD"

a big vehicle doesnt need you safer, good driving skills do. AWD doesnt have tocome in just SUVS its all about money big heavy vehicles break faster and are harder and more complex to service.

a monster yaris makes sense because its a huge potential tuner market, just because you all drive second gens and cant afford it or see the potential doesnt mean i have to settle for garbage because im "poor". it has the same spec sizes as a honda civic 90s hatch and taller and shorter but just as wide, it is super modular and its super light weight and rigid esp if you get the 3 door ;)

like i said early, if ford can spec out there focus hatchbacks and stuff for a reasonable price so can toyota and those sold poorly.

i tell this story all the time i put snow tyres on my yaris and survived 3 blizzards and a whole bunch of crap in my car, i had an SUV and it was a service nightmare and completely useless

[tmontague]

yeah i have a rear bumper tailights a steering wheel a spoiler im missing the front bumper and rims and the sideskirts.

the hard part is not finding the parts the hard part is the money

*points at build thread*

I asked because your thread hasn't been updated in 16 months and you are constantly stating how you're building a GRMN, how easy it is and how much you know about it. This sounds a whole lot like vaporware - of all the crucial components and fabrication of your proposed build - which would take someone akin to Stephen Papadakis to do - you have only acquired the least important/ easiest to attach pieces.

By all means prove me wrong but if I was a betting man there is no way in hell this "build" in actually anywhere close to happening except in a thought bubble. Your posts and statements comes across as a "me too" shout out amidst all of the actually engine swaps and yaris builds going on in real time on this thread. Again, please prove me wrong by actually posting up images of your build and progress made on more than a computer monitor. I;m sure many on here would love to see one of the biggest Yaris fabrication/builds ever since Garm was kicking around.

well because toyota america sucks and caters to a demographic of suvs and moms.

its why all the 90s sportscars failed, there only going with a BMW so it attracts people that will actually want to buy a car

BMW makes people wet in the panties and rush to it even its a steaming pile of junk toyota cant sell a sports machine even if they wanted to?

but they can sell the GRMN overseas when its perfectly legal here, i think fords just jealous toyota can make a faster car for cheaper.

The Toyota American that "sucks" is one of the most successful automotive manufacturers still kicking around. There is a reason others have taken bailouts and closed up plants or all out discontinued whole segments of vehicles. One kid's pipe dream of a vehicle does not make for a successful business. A board of directors exist for a reason.

[Leegamer]

the ford focus RS sold poorly because people want SUVS to be "up high and feel safe and because they need AWD"

a big vehicle doesnt need you safer, good driving skills do. AWD doesnt have tocome in just SUVS its all about money big heavy vehicles break faster and are harder and more complex to service.

a monster yaris makes sense because its a huge potential tuner market, just because you all drive second gens and cant afford it or see the potential doesnt mean i have to settle for garbage because im "poor". it has the same spec sizes as a honda civic 90s hatch and taller and shorter but just as wide, it is super modular and its super light weight and rigid esp if you get the 3 door ;)

like i said early, if ford can spec out there focus hatchbacks and stuff for a reasonable price so can toyota and those sold poorly.

i tell this story all the time i put snow tyres on my yaris and survived 3 blizzards and a whole bunch of crap in my car, i had an SUV and it was a service nightmare and completely useless

I just can't follow your logic man. If the focus RS sold poorly then why would a hot hatch yaris sell well?

[DarkShadowFox]

I asked because your thread hasn't been updated in 16 months and you are constantly stating how you're building a GRMN, how easy it is and how much you know about it. This sounds a whole lot like vaporware - of all the crucial components and fabrication of your proposed build - which would take someone akin to Stephen Papadakis to do - you have only acquired the least important/ easiest to attach pieces.

By all means prove me wrong but if I was a betting man there is no way in hell this "build" in actually anywhere close to happening except in a thought bubble. Your posts and statements comes across as a "me too" shout out amidst all of the actually engine swaps and yaris builds going on in real time on this thread. Again, please prove me wrong by actually posting up images of your build and progress made on more than a computer monitor. I;m sure many on here would love to see one of the biggest Yaris fabrication/builds ever since Garm was kicking around.



The Toyota American that "sucks" is one of the most successful automotive manufacturers still kicking around. There is a reason others have taken bailouts and closed up plants or all out discontinued whole segments of vehicles. One kid's pipe dream of a vehicle does not make for a successful business. A board of directors exist for a reason.

toyota of america is a importer for toyota of japan. thats about all they are. a really really fancy importer that ships the car parts in in pieces and assembles them here, thus saving on cost and money.

[DarkShadowFox]

I just can't follow your logic man. If the focus RS sold poorly then why would a hot hatch yaris sell well?

just because you dont want it doesnt mean enthusasist wouldnt, regardless if it doesnt sell if toyota sells like 5000 or so for the amount they sell them in the uk they still make bank, as they made the GRMN on the same platform where the regular yaris was made and saved them minimal tooling.

edit

30k (ballpark sale figure) x 5000 is alot of money, seeing how it costs them next to nothing minus some new tooling.

[DarkShadowFox]

I asked because your thread hasn't been updated in 16 months and you are constantly stating how you're building a GRMN, how easy it is and how much you know about it. This sounds a whole lot like vaporware - of all the crucial components and fabrication of your proposed build - which would take someone akin to Stephen Papadakis to do - you have only acquired the least important/ easiest to attach pieces.

By all means prove me wrong but if I was a betting man there is no way in hell this "build" in actually anywhere close to happening except in a thought bubble. Your posts and statements comes across as a "me too" shout out amidst all of the actually engine swaps and yaris builds going on in real time on this thread. Again, please prove me wrong by actually posting up images of your build and progress made on more than a computer monitor. I;m sure many on here would love to see one of the biggest Yaris fabrication/builds ever since Garm was kicking around.



The Toyota American that "sucks" is one of the most successful automotive manufacturers still kicking around. There is a reason others have taken bailouts and closed up plants or all out discontinued whole segments of vehicles. One kid's pipe dream of a vehicle does not make for a successful business. A board of directors exist for a reason.

yeah yeah buddy you drive a 2nd gen and builds take time, some of us arent after quick and easy.


i did post pictures the GRMN im japan is nothing but a turboed corolla motor with some custom seats and body panels and one of avics brakes and shocks all which are avaiable online to be imported from toyota because i found an importer that will hook me up.

its the money not the parts or the time, lmao. also i havent installed my body panels because i want the entire kit to be assembled rather then doing it in pieces. so id rather do it all in one go because alot of the things for it can be done at once like the blinker mirrors and the power mirror assembly and the interior panels are all one step rather then doing extra steps.

also the GRMN seats are like 2000 a seat so. yeah. fund me bro

[Leegamer]

just because you dont want it doesnt mean enthusasist wouldnt, regardless if it doesnt sell if toyota sells like 5000 or so for the amount they sell them in the uk they still make bank, as they made the GRMN on the same platform where the regular yaris was made and saved them minimal tooling.

edit

30k (ballpark sale figure) x 5000 is alot of money, seeing how it costs them next to nothing minus some new tooling.

I would be extremely surprised if there are 5k people in the US that would spend 30k on a yaris.

[tmontague]

Real enthusiasts build cars they dint buy them. Of the ones that do buy, they are not going to buy a yaris in that price range. They will buy a much more driver oriented car in that same range ie: gt 86

If it was so simple it would have been done. One thing companies like to do is make money. They just have a lot more foresight before they decide on decisions

[DarkShadowFox]

Real enthusiasts build cars they dint buy them. Of the ones that do buy, they are not going to buy a yaris in that price range. They will buy a much more driver oriented car in that same range ie: gt 86

If it was so simple it would have been done. One thing companies like to do is make money. They just have a lot more foresight before they decide on decisions

Gt86 is a badge engineered car from toyota.

[DarkShadowFox]

I would be extremely surprised if there are 5k people in the US that would spend 30k on a yaris.

well it has stellar reliability low weight and its a performance hatchback its gotten rave reviews in africa and europe because i follow the entire GRMN community like a hawk, its sold and all of them sold out in europe and all of them sold out in japan.

[DarkShadowFox]

Real enthusiasts build cars they dint buy them. Of the ones that do buy, they are not going to buy a yaris in that price range. They will buy a much more driver oriented car in that same range ie: gt 86

If it was so simple it would have been done. One thing companies like to do is make money. They just have a lot more foresight before they decide on decisions

also build cars, yeah thats exactly what im doing, building a GRMN and keeping the entire process as secret as possible.

[dogsridewith]

Gt86 is a badge engineered car from toyota.What is a GT 86? The Toyota "86?" (Which I really like and is more than "badge engineering" because it has mechanical Subaru w/ Toyota fuel/spark system...something Toyota is pretty good at. Also a RWD w/ a boxer. (I'd love a FWD or RWD Subaru...1990 2-door FWD hatch w/ automatic, hydraulic lifters, and my total rear seat delete was fabulous in snow. Seatbacks rolled back all the way to the floor...best trip car ever.)

[DarkShadowFox]

What is a GT 86? The Toyota "86?" (Which I really like and is more than "badge engineering" because it has mechanical Subaru w/ Toyota fuel/spark system...something Toyota is pretty good at. Also a RWD w/ a boxer. (I'd love a FWD or RWD Subaru...1990 2-door FWD hatch w/ automatic, hydraulic lifters, and my total rear seat delete was fabulous in snow. Seatbacks rolled back all the way to the floor...best trip car ever.)

toyota didnt make the engine, so it kinda doesnt count. kinda doesnt make sense if your gonna make a successor to the AE86 you cant just relabel an engine and call it home, its not even from the 4A class family.

toyota run by an old man, old men get complacent and really dont care except catering to other old people. no disrespect on toyota but most of the demographic there selling to is like 60 and over.

[tmontague]

toyota didnt make the engine, so it kinda doesnt count. kinda doesnt make sense if your gonna make a successor to the AE86 you cant just relabel an engine and call it home, its not even from the 4A class family.

toyota run by an old man, old men get complacent and really dont care except catering to other old people. no disrespect on toyota but most of the demographic there selling to is like 60 and over.

I really don't understand your rationale. I guess the 1zz and 2zz as well as any other very reliable Yamaha engines sitting in a Toyota must not count either. In fact all of Toyota's reputation as being reliable is suddenly tarnished from the realization that Toyota does not manufacture every single part of their cars. In fact no mainstream manufacturer does.

If you seriously think the 86 is simply a "rebadged emblem" then you should take a bit of time out if your self proclaimed 17 hour days reading about the Yaris and maybe read a little something else.

I'm sure with all of your stellar business ideas Toyota's shares would soar if they took you on board. Start with Toyota UK as your have stated they are so fond of you.

Also please enlighten the YW members on why owning a 2nd gen would make one inferior to an individual who owns a 3rd gen

With more and more of your posts I seriously cannot tell if you are just trolling out of boredom and nothing better to do or if you are a 16 year old who lacks common sense and a big picture thought process. This forum has always been a straight forward no bs place to read info from, contrary to the many civic (and other) automotive forums. Your posts are doing a good job of knocking that down and filling this space with conjecture all to seemingly want to "fit in". Just let it go

[dogsridewith]

(a little good natured, middle-aged rice-talk doesn't bother me)

DSF: You're OK w/ your oldest driving something like a 200 horsepower hatchback in six years? (I went everywhere happily in a couple Beetles--first the family 53 horsepower '67. Then my own (great uncle's) 36 hp '57...see why 100 ish is perfect in a Yaris? W/ way more mpg, interior room, serious heat, A/C, and a huge hatch. Also a lot less likely to barrel roll. With better rust-proofing in an era of worse road salt...I'm hoping.)

[Dodge Aries K]

yeah yeah buddy you drive a 2nd gen and builds take time, some of us arent after quick and easy.


i did post pictures the GRMN im japan is nothing but a turboed corolla motor with some custom seats and body panels and one of avics brakes and shocks all which are avaiable online to be imported from toyota because i found an importer that will hook me up.

its the money not the parts or the time, lmao. also i havent installed my body panels because i want the entire kit to be assembled rather then doing it in pieces. so id rather do it all in one go because alot of the things for it can be done at once like the blinker mirrors and the power mirror assembly and the interior panels are all one step rather then doing extra steps.

also the GRMN seats are like 2000 a seat so. yeah. fund me bro

What's wrong with the 2nd gen Yaris? I have a 2007 but I also have a 12 and had a 13, 14, and 16. The 2007 is lighter and seems to me at least to be more nimble than the newer ones. While I think the newer ones were nicer for everyday driving, the older ones are better for any sort of motorsport type application. Same thing with the Neons I used to own.

Also, what's with the dickish attitude about everything? You were making dickhead comments in my for sale thread about a stupid steering wheel, seems you pissed off one of the very few admins left here, and now you're giving someone a hard time who actually did a successful swap on their car and actually raced it? What are you trying to prove?

[dogsridewith]

A few years ago, maybe still, there was a builder who's resto-mod was something like "The 72 Chevelle SS Chevrolet should have built." (Actually might be similar for some of the other muscle/pony car models of that era.)

[Thirty-Nine]

Well, here we are in 2019 and still no word on a 2019 Yaris. For what it's worth, the website still doesn't have the 2019 Prius up there, either.

[Dodge Aries K]

The 2019 Prius is under the "upcoming" models.

[kevinj93]

Yaris hatch is still going strong, and Toyota offering special deals here in Australia. Toyota Australia also announced yesterday a 5 year warranty for all new sales.

https://www.toyota.com.au/yaris

[2008RedHatch]

From Edmunds:

2019 Yaris

"Last year's [2018] Yaris iA has been renamed to just Yaris...Sedan body style only..."

But then they say "Last year's plain-old Yaris, no iA, was a four-door hatchback. For 2019, that car is now known as the Yaris Liftback, which we review separately."
But none are shown at dealers' websites. ???

[matti]

From Edmunds:

2019 Yaris

"Last year's [2018] Yaris iA has been renamed to just Yaris...Sedan body style only..."

But then they say "Last year's plain-old Yaris, no iA, was a four-door hatchback. For 2019, that car is now known as the Yaris Liftback, which we review separately."
But none are shown at dealers' websites. ???

That's interesting. Thanks for sharing. I did a quick google search for "2019 Yaris Liftback" and saw this old article from May 2018 (sorry if it was already posted):
https://www.carsdirect.com/2019/toyota/yaris
(says no more manual transmission! :frown:

An article on this dealer's site refers to a 2019 Liftback:
https://www.doxontoyota.com/op-2019-toyota-yaris-for-sale-in-auburn/

This dealer also refers to the 2019 Liftback on their website:
https://www.toyotaofnewnan.com/

[ern-diz]

If I'm not mistaken, 'liftback' has always been what they referred to the hatchback as. I think I remember seeing it on my original dealer paperwork back in 2007. Same reason I called it that in my forum details here.

[matti]

If I'm not mistaken, 'liftback' has always been what they referred to the hatchback as. I think I remember seeing it on my original dealer paperwork back in 2007. Same reason I called it that in my forum details here.

I've thought the same as well.

[Leegamer]

If I'm not mistaken, 'liftback' has always been what they referred to the hatchback as. I think I remember seeing it on my original dealer paperwork back in 2007. Same reason I called it that in my forum details here.

I believe you're right. I have just always called them hatchbacks, lol.

[2008RedHatch]

There's lots of leftover 18's

[Dodge Aries K]

I'll miss it. Loved all the ones I have owned and currently have. Really makes me regret trading in my 2016 I bought new since I can't ever buy a new one again... oh well...

[justanotherdrunk]

2019 Toyota Yaris Liftback Axed; 2020 Yaris Announcement Coming

https://jalopnik.com/dead-toyota-yaris-hatchback-1832002207

http://www.thedrive.com/news/26145/toyota-is-discontinuing-the-cheap-and-cheerful-yaris-hatchback-for-2019

https://www.autoblog.com/2019/01/24/toyota-yaris-liftback-discontinued/

[Leegamer]

2019 Toyota Yaris Liftback Axed; 2020 Yaris Announcement Coming

https://jalopnik.com/dead-toyota-yaris-hatchback-1832002207

http://www.thedrive.com/news/26145/toyota-is-discontinuing-the-cheap-and-cheerful-yaris-hatchback-for-2019

https://www.autoblog.com/2019/01/24/toyota-yaris-liftback-discontinued/

I wouldn't be surprised if the 2020 Yaris is revealed to be hybrid and plug-in hybrid only.

[ern-diz]

2019 Toyota Yaris Liftback Axed; 2020 Yaris Announcement Coming

https://jalopnik.com/dead-toyota-yaris-hatchback-1832002207

http://www.thedrive.com/news/26145/toyota-is-discontinuing-the-cheap-and-cheerful-yaris-hatchback-for-2019

https://www.autoblog.com/2019/01/24/toyota-yaris-liftback-discontinued/

Sad story.

On a positive note, your links inspired me to create this Instagram story (https://www.instagram.com/s/aGlnaGxpZ2h0OjE4MDEwODQyMjc0MTA2Njkz/?utm_source=ig_story_highlights_share&igshid=6cn5q9b4ipgm) that I'm quite proud of, so there's that :biggrin:

[justanotherdrunk]

Sad story.

On a positive note, your links inspired me to create this Instagram story (https://www.instagram.com/s/aGlnaGxpZ2h0OjE4MDEwODQyMjc0MTA2Njkz/?utm_source=ig_story_highlights_share&igshid=6cn5q9b4ipgm) that I'm quite proud of, so there's that :biggrin:

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[ern-diz]

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can you change your privacy settings?

Aww, bummer. My profile isn't private, but I guess you can only see static posts without logging in. Can't see the stories.

No pressure but Instagram is fun because pictures are fun. I have a personal account I follow photography accounts with and post my amateur garbage on, and a few months ago I started a second account just for the Yaris. I follow some really cool car accounts from that one. It already has nearly twice the followers my personal account does :laugh:

You might consider creating an account. Or not, either way <3 lol.

[matti]

2019 Toyota Yaris Liftback Axed; 2020 Yaris Announcement Coming

https://jalopnik.com/dead-toyota-yaris-hatchback-1832002207

http://www.thedrive.com/news/26145/toyota-is-discontinuing-the-cheap-and-cheerful-yaris-hatchback-for-2019

https://www.autoblog.com/2019/01/24/toyota-yaris-liftback-discontinued/

BUMMER!!!!!!!!!!

[dogsridewith]

Mirage skipped year 2016.

[Dodge Aries K]

Mirage skipped year 2016.

They did! Always thought that was weird.

[toad]

I wouldn't be surprised if the 2020 Yaris is revealed to be hybrid and plug-in hybrid only.

i bet you're right! i can see them combining the prius c and yaris hatch into a 'smaller than the prius v' hybrid. i would LOVE to see them make an all-electric version of the classic yaris liftback(there's folks already who have done it themselves). considering the smallish size it shouldn't require a large battery-thus keeping costs down, but toyota seems stubborn to adopt to all-electric technology. i did see, however, they are entering a partnership with panasonic on batteries so that's a start:thumbsup:

[dogsridewith]

toad: Do you have any links to all-electric conversions?

One prediction is the complete demise of "hybrids" and "plug-ins," with everything becoming 48 volt "mild hybrids" or pure "electrics."

[toad]

here's one i remember reading:

http://evworld.com/article.cfm?storyid=1648

i've been lurking on the tesla forums lately and i'm starting to come around to the all-electric automobile. right now, i feel there's still too much beta testing going on, but if tesla can actually produce the $35,000 car they originally promised i may have to take a look. however, if toyota can get around to making a yaris electric i would certainly have to consider it!

[myfirstyota]

My brother works for Tesla. I'd be way more inclined to buy an ev from an auto manufacturer that already knows how to make cars. Not one that just entered the game. Ask me why I think that way lol

[Hamster]

My brother works for Tesla. I'd be way more inclined to buy an ev from an auto manufacturer that already knows how to make cars. Not one that just entered the game. Ask me why I think that way lol

Well, why do you think that way? Please fill us in!

[toad]

My brother works for Tesla. I'd be way more inclined to buy an ev from an auto manufacturer that already knows how to make cars. Not one that just entered the game. Ask me why I think that way lol

I hear that argument a lot. Makes sense that you would want to stick with a company that's been doing it for a hundred years. However, here's where I think Tesla has an advantage: they are starting from scratch and don't have to perform a delicate balancing act between the past and the future. What I mean is that the major automakers can't afford to 'bite the hand that feeds them' too much. gasoline-fueled trucks, SUVs, and crossovers are their $$$(notice I didn't say sedans or compacts- RIP Yaris:cry:)

Tesla, on the other hand, is all-in and this makes for a scary time for owners and the company. I personally don't have the stomach for that much anxiety, but many people have made the jump and most- from what I'm reading- won't ever go back. In the end, I think tesla will be very successful(again, if they can make the cheaper version) and we will be grateful to them for laying the groundwork necessary to get the major automakers on board. Yeah, the cars aren't really 'affordable' yet, but their currently making the ones that generate a profit(kinda like what the big-guys are doing).

Sorry, I realize this isn't a discussion on tesla...:redface:

[myfirstyota]

Apparently tesla has had some major fitment issues. How pissed would you be if you bought a $140k model x and it started raining...inside the car. Yes, they make phenomenal batteries. Yes, their drivetrains are solid. Yes they're an all in company pushing the envelope and breaking ground. But id just give them a few more years before I'd ever consider buying one.

"They" say to never buy the first year of a new model. I'm gonna say never buy the first decade of a new car manufacturer. Kia is a prime example. Remember the first 6 years of the sportage? Lol

[2008RedHatch]

The coming '20 Yaris hatch is based on design that's been out a few years, wont be a "first year". Mazda 2 hatches already exist overseas.

[WeeYari]

The coming '20 Yaris hatch is based on design that's been out a few years, wont be a "first year". Mazda 2 hatches already exist overseas.The Mazda 2/Ford Fiesta was available in Canada for 4 years, 2011-2014, before being deemed a failure and pulled. Why should it be any more successful as a 'Toyota Yaris'? The only hope for success would be oil heading north of $100 USD/barrel again.

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[dogsridewith]

My brother works for Tesla. I'd be way more inclined to buy an ev from an auto manufacturer that already knows how to make cars. Not one that just entered the game. Ask me why I think that way lolBaxter was the first Cobot in production, but the company went kaput when the established commercial robot companies started introducing Cobots.

[DarkShadowFox]

The Mazda 2/Ford Fiesta was available in Canada for 4 years, 2011-2014, before being deemed a failure and pulled. Why should it be any more successful as a 'Toyota Yaris'? The only hope for success would be oil heading north of $100 USD/barrel again.

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please make oil 100 usd a barrel doug dumeuro.

[DarkShadowFox]

The coming '20 Yaris hatch is based on design that's been out a few years, wont be a "first year". Mazda 2 hatches already exist overseas.


this?

http://image.motortrend.com/f/wot/1311_mazda3_mazda6_2013_sema_concepts_inspired_by_ racing_fashion/62614383+w554/2014-Mazda3-Club-Sport-Concept-front-three-quarters.jpg

did toyota go


OH IT LOOKS LIKE A GRMN BUT IS NEW LETS USE THIS


IN TOYOTA LAND EVERYTHING HAS TO LOOK THE SAME THERE CAN BE NO UNIQUE NESSS GREY BLOBS AND WHITE WALLS AND WHITE FURNITURE AND WHITE CARS FOR THIS WHITE AMERICA.

#jk

[dogsridewith]

You'd like my Bauhaus design school sub-compact 1991 Corolla Wagon --hued grey w/ ALL black trim...bumpers, everything. Minimalist adjustable roof-rack that completely removes with six screws.

[myfirstyota]

The Mazda 2/Ford Fiesta was available in Canada for 4 years, 2011-2014, before being deemed a failure and pulled. Why should it be any more successful as a 'Toyota Yaris'? The only hope for success would be oil heading north of $100 USD/barrel again.

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I've heard a lot of bad things about that fiesta. Mainly electrical, ecu and transmission problems. None of which are easy cheap fixes

[WeeYari]

I've heard a lot of bad things about that fiesta. Mainly electrical, ecu and transmission problems. None of which are easy cheap fixesIf not the worst, damn close to it, car for reliability issues for its time.

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[2008RedHatch]

Do some research, the current Yaris is not a Ford design.

There's a new generation Mazda small call platform, DJ, introduced in JDM since 2014.

So, this site will have to create a "4th gen Yaris" message board, don't like it, go buy another brand.

[tmontague]

Do some research, the current Yaris is not a Ford design.

There's a new generation Mazda small call platform, DJ, introduced in JDM since 2014.

So, this site will have to create a "4th gen Yaris" message board, don't like it, go buy another brand.

Who said it's a Ford design? It's a rebadged Mazda that appears to still use the venerable 1nz. It will he interesting to see how its reliability stacks up against the first 3 gens seeing as those were actually true Toyota's.

If it does stick with the 1nz then at least the engine will be reliable. The body may be a different story...

[suprf1y]

But it will be a 4dr.

I have zero interest in a 4dr hatch

[myfirstyota]

But it will be a 4dr.

I have zero interest in a 4dr hatch

+1

[tmontague]

[QUOTE=suprf1y;821938]But it will be a 4dr.

I have zero interest in a 4dr

Kids change that pretty quick :biggrin:

[IllusionX]

Who said it's a Ford design? It's a rebadged Mazda that appears to still use the venerable 1nz. It will he interesting to see how its reliability stacks up against the first 3 gens seeing as those were actually true Toyota's.



If it does stick with the 1nz then at least the engine will be reliable. The body may be a different story...2014+ Mazda 2 uses the 1.5 L SkyActiv F-P5-G engine. I don't this this will change. Even the previous ZY-VE engine was pretty darn reliable.
Not sure why all the worries for those who WON'T buy it anyways.

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[DarkShadowFox]

and there goes the final 3 door in the entire us,

*clings to my 3 door*

[DarkShadowFox]

You'd like my Bauhaus design school sub-compact 1991 Corolla Wagon --hued grey w/ ALL black trim...bumpers, everything. Minimalist adjustable roof-rack that completely removes with six screws.


i live in a snow state, having a roof rack is like having a wall on your roof to collect snow, unless you go sking alot or move christmas trees, there just going to cause drag.

the 3rd gen yaris is basically the same from 2010 (2nd gen) - 2017 (3rd gen post 2015 redesign)

there insanely modular leaving to a long range of support and parts you can pull.


toyota didnt really axe this car, im going to go on a bit of a ramble, atleats in my guess without being an actual toyota employee and speculation is that toyota is building a baseline for what customers want and will buy cars from other manufactuers to reverse engineer those things on cars to add them later on when the yaris is truely redesigned to save them money, like how they did the BRZ FRS thing, its all about money savings while bringing in new customers.

if the loyalty gets renewed we might see another fully toyota build yaris with more options and whatnot, right now toyota is probably running most of these "badge engineered" cars as a mild test bed as the ancient 1nzfe yaris which had remained the same since 1999 mechanically was due for a refresh.

we dont like it, things like the I8 didnt do too well but technologys not going to advance as are cars if we keep using the same thing over and over again, this mazda will probably not sell well or it will sell greatly and we will be in automotive hell, eitherway if toyota does it right then they can start introducing better tech into a smaller lineup.

PLUS on the flipside, these older models are out of production and contain the things toyota needs while giving them a deep discount on tooling manufacturing etc.

so its a smart move

and before anyone jumps down me about the supra, toyota was approached by BWM after testing there FRS and the went hey wanna make a car so they did. toyota being smart went to germany where in germany there are no co developemnt laws, meaning while you get the same platform, the body and everything else between the two cars are different.

thats whats going on here, toyotas in corporate espionage mode.