Baja Yaris

[Maritime]

Hello folks, Been lurking for a bit, this is a great Yaris resource. I decided that I want to do something funky with my 2008 5 door hatch M/T. I've always wanted a Baja VW but will never have the $$ for one so I decided I want to make my Yaris a Baja offroader. I see others have done it before me but not a lot. I know our little beaters are popular in the EU and UK and have found a lift kit out of Russia for 172 USD. I plan to use that and put a set of 27x8.5R14 general grabber ATX tires on her. A roof rack and basket with a hitch and I should be able to take the little car fishing and to some out of the way mountain bike trail heads. If I can scrap together the $$ the next phase will be the 2ZR swap with an LSD. I live in Eastern Canada, Woodstock NB and the added clearance and AT tires will also mean easier time getting to and from work in the snow. 12" coming this weekend to add to the 2' we have already. The project will be mid summer when the current set of tires get low enough I need to change them, although the lift may happen sooner for winter clearance, I have winter tires on steel 14". Car has 358K KM's on it, just got a new set of KYB struts and shocks front and back, should have got the lift when I did those in hind site.

Summer Wheels I'll use with the Grabbers:
https://www.tirerack.com/images/wheels/sportedition/se_f12_s_pdpfull.jpg

tires:
https://www.tirerack.com/images/tires/general/ge_grabber_atx_pdpcrop.jpg

Lift Kit which will give me 1" front and 1.5" back:
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/urEAAOSwwPdb~vgz/s-l225.jpg

I know 2-3 other members have made their own lifts but I think that will be a breeze to install and looks like it will fit and work well.

Cheers for now.

Maritime

[myfirstyota]

Any year of scion xd springs/struts will bolt right in. I don't know the exact height increase but its enough to 'almost' 205/65/15 tires with slight inner fender liner rubbing. I fixed that by installing the xd fender liners with the springs as they are slightly larger and kinda fit. Some trimming will be required. To get those 27's to fit, I imagine you'll need much more clearance. Ready your cut off wheel and bfh. Good thing is your car is Hugh mileage and you shouldn't feel too bad about making room lol

Also account for fuel economy. My car is a bit of a pig now with these big winters fitted. About 6.5l/100 average on stock size tires. Closer to 8 now with the bigger shoes.

[myfirstyota]

Not even easy to find a scrapped xd here in toronto. Theyre just not that popular. I got lucky with the high mileage donor I found. I do suggest to keep an eye open for one if you're thinking of the 2zr swap. You'll get everything you need for your swap ( less the '08 ecu) right down to the hoses and harness brackets. Plus bigger brakes and all suspension components (which is really only useful if you plan to raise the car slightly)

[Maritime]

oh, also if I hadn't just put a full set of KYB struts&shocks plus links etc I would just buy the XD. I didn't think of the Baja thing until a week or so after I did that LOL.

[Maritime]

Not even easy to find a scrapped xd here in toronto. Theyre just not that popular. I got lucky with the high mileage donor I found. I do suggest to keep an eye open for one if you're thinking of the 2zr swap. You'll get everything you need for your swap ( less the '08 ecu) right down to the hoses and harness brackets. Plus bigger brakes and all suspension components (which is really only useful if you plan to raise the car slightly)


Yeah, that would be great but I've never seen an XD on the road around here let alone in the yards. My plan would be a low miles corolla then Ebay for the rest. The swap threads here a really good. I've done a civic back in the day but haven't even thought about the yaris until recently it is starting to grind in 2&4 and so may need transmission work. If I got to pull the engine for that, might as well swap it cause 358K is getting up there even for a Toyota. It's still original clutch too.

[Leegamer]

Can you share the link for the lift kit? I'm pretty curious.

[Maritime]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Complete-lift-kit-30mm-for-Toyota-AQUA-AYGO-BELTA-COROLLA-IST-RACTIS-SCION/113408065587?fits=Model%3AYaris&epid=16026638127&hash=item1a67a5c033:g:urEAAOSwwPdb~vgz:rk:3:pf:0

Looks simple enough, strut top bolt extender and spacer for strut, rear spring seat extender like for jeeps.

[Maritime]

also looking at this. its modular so I can swap it between the yaris and the CRV depending on needs:
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/0ogAAOSwa~BYV5cV/s-l1600.jpg

[Leegamer]

Cool, looking forward to seeing this project come together.

If you want to make it really exciting you could try to rig up some AWD.

[Maritime]

Cool, looking forward to seeing this project come together.

If you want to make it really exciting you could try to rig up some AWD.

Ha, that would be rad but way out of budget. I'll be lucky of I can manage a 2ZR swap and afford an LSD when the original motor finally bites the bullet. the lift, tires and rack are all budget friendly.

[myfirstyota]

Yea an LSD is about $1600 cad for a quaife. Plus install. Its not a budget friendly mod... But sometime you gotta say f-the budget lol

[Leegamer]

Ha, that would be rad but way out of budget. I'll be lucky of I can manage a 2ZR swap and afford an LSD when the original motor finally bites the bullet. the lift, tires and rack are all budget friendly.

Fair enough! Still going to be awesome and probably quite capable

[Maritime]

Yea an LSD is about $1600 cad for a quaife. Plus install. Its not a budget friendly mod... But sometime you gotta say f-the budget lol


Ha yep. If it comes to swap time, 1600 + an engine will be cheaper than a new car and I can do the install. I play with cars and bikes all the time so labor is non-issue.

On the clearance front. I currently run 185/65 14 general altimax on the summer wheels. Got them at Tirerack and specs are 23.5" diameter, 7.4" at the widest with a 5.4" tread width. Weigh 16 lbs. the Grabbers are 26.9" Diam, 8.6" W and 29lbs. that 13 lbs of rotational mass will suck the MPG and the acceleration, as well as braking I bet. It's not a hot rod now but it will take some adjustments to driving style I think. I'll need to get 1.7" of clearance to fit those tires so that lift kit may not work. I was looking at a few different tire options and may have messed up sizes in my head. Need to think a bit more on the lifting.

[Maritime]

I'm not looking to rock crawl and go mudding. logging roads and fields etc will be doable, especially because the Yaris is so light. I think when looking for tires I was considering DOT legal side by side tires in a 14" that were 25-26" but decided against those.

[myfirstyota]

Ha yep. If it comes to swap time, 1600 + an engine will be cheaper than a new car and I can do the install. I play with cars and bikes all the time so labor is non-issue.

On the clearance front. I currently run 185/65 14 general altimax on the summer wheels. Got them at Tirerack and specs are 23.5" diameter, 7.4" at the widest with a 5.4" tread width. Weigh 16 lbs. the Grabbers are 26.9" Diam, 8.6" W and 29lbs. that 13 lbs of rotational mass will suck the MPG and the acceleration, as well as braking I bet. It's not a hot rod now but it will take some adjustments to driving style I think. I'll need to get 1.7" of clearance to fit those tires so that lift kit may not work. I was looking at a few different tire options and may have messed up sizes in my head. Need to think a bit more on the lifting.

You'd be surprised on the braking front. I honestly didnt notice much difference on my 205/65/15. The Yaris brakes are pretty good right from factory. Nothing like the many domestic vehicles I've had. I swear they built those brakes just to pass a dot standards.

[myfirstyota]

I'm not looking to rock crawl and go mudding. logging roads and fields etc will be doable, especially because the Yaris is so light. I think when looking for tires I was considering DOT legal side by side tires in a 14" that were 25-26" but decided against those.

Serious offroading is better left to anything but a Yaris. But like most of us wanting to lift our cars, I'm sure your just looking for more ground cleaance. Personally the reason I want to lift my car is so I don't have to shovel he snow berm left by the plow at 4am to go to work and not having to worry about destroying the front number on said berm.

Also I'd imagine side by side tires would pretty loud rollin down those nifty 110km/h hiways got down home.

[Maritime]

You'd be surprised on the braking front. I honestly didnt notice much difference on my 205/65/15. The Yaris brakes are pretty good right from factory. Nothing like the many domestic vehicles I've had. I swear they built those brakes just to pass a dot standards.

good to know. I never have had an issue either. The only thing I find is going back and forth between Honda and Toyota which I have done for 20+ years having one of each in the stable. Honda brakes start immediately, Toyota start half way through the travel and that catches me sometimes. I either hit them too hard and stop short or realize I'm not pushing enough and have to hit em harder LOL. and it's the same on the Yaris, Rav4, T100, Tundra pedal moves half way before brakes start working. CRV Civic, accord, pilot brakes start with just a slight pressure. Not sure if that can be changed but it's something i've noticed. Both brands brake very well. GMC/Ford/Crysler you push and hope to hell the car stops eventually LOL.

[Maritime]

Serious offroading is better left to anything but a Yaris. But like most of us wanting to lift our cars, I'm sure your just looking for more ground cleaance. Personally the reason I want to lift my car is so I don't have to shovel he snow berm left by the plow at 4am to go to work and not having to worry about destroying the front number on said berm.

Also I'd imagine side by side tires would pretty loud rollin down those nifty 110km/h hiways got down home.

Yep, exactly the reason, my drive is a hill and getting the car up to the house so I can then blow out the drive is not easy or impossible if there is more than 2-3" of snow, front plows in and lifts the tires and then you spin away. even an inch more would help. I have a fused ankle and can't walk well on hills when dry, add snow and ice and it's dangerous. I want it to still drive ok on the Highways but be better on the crap secondary roads I commute on and also get me to some good fishing and riding spots. I can get there now, but I drag the bumper and possibly the exhaust and don't want that.

[Maritime]

Oh and I found this too. I'm going to email and see if they'll ship to Canuckistan and how much it would be:

https://www.skid-plate.com/files/image/cache/width-2015-12-04-11-49-28_20566161a8dabaa.jpg-1152x0.jpg

https://www.skid-plate.com/skid-plate-for-toyota-yaris-petrol-2005-2011

[myfirstyota]

I've actually dropped some sketches off at a local metal supplier. They're gonna cut some pieces out of 1/4" plate with a waterjet for me. I'm essentially trying to fabricate spring spacers for the rear. But the kicker is I cut the rear OEM spring perches off of my donor xd axle. They will sit on top of my custom made spring spacers pushing the shock mount up as well. 3-4" of lift on stock springs and shocks is the plan. There won't be any extra suspension travel but like we said. . this isn't for serious off roading. The front will basically a copy of ctscotts crashy.

[myfirstyota]

Oh and I found this too. I'm going to email and see if they'll ship to Canuckistan and how much it would be:

https://www.skid-plate.com/files/image/cache/width-2015-12-04-11-49-28_20566161a8dabaa.jpg-1152x0.jpg

https://www.skid-plate.com/skid-plate-for-toyota-yaris-petrol-2005-2011

I had one on my old slammed vw. Worth its weight in gold.

[Maritime]

And these are cheap enough 45 USD on amazon and would work to hide the sins after the BFH and cutting.

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61LJIpXLqlL._SL1000_.jpg

[Maritime]

I've actually dropped some sketches off at a local metal supplier. They're gonna cut some pieces out of 1/4" plate with a waterjet for me. I'm essentially trying to fabricate spring spacers for the rear. But the kicker is I cut the rear OEM spring perches off of my donor xd axle. They will sit on top of my custom made spring spacers pushing the shock mount up as well. 3-4" of lift on stock springs and shocks is the plan. There won't be any extra suspension travel but like we said. . this isn't for serious off roading. The front will basically a copy of ctscotts crashy.


Nice. that sounds great.

[Maritime]

I had one on my old slammed vw. Worth its weight in gold.
I could see it being good for both a lifted soft roader or a slammed hot hatch for sure.

[myfirstyota]

And these are cheap enough 45 USD on amazon and would work to hide the sins after the BFH and cutting.

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61LJIpXLqlL._SL1000_.jpg

If you get these installed before I do keep us posted as to fitment

[06YarisRS]

Yeah, that would be great but I've never seen an XD on the road around here let alone in the yards.

Yup, I tried practically every salvage yard in the province and Nova Scotia. Searched kijiji and posted on NBAutoEnthusiasts. I ended up getting my engine from Ohio via Ebay. Got the harness, ecu etc from eBay too and my mount from an online Toyota dealer.

Here's a listing for a '14 Corolla being parted out in Hampton:

https://www.kijiji.ca/v-auto-body-parts/saint-john/parting-out-2014-corolla/1399630090?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true

[Maritime]

Yup, I tried every salvage yard in the province and Nova Scotia. Searched kijiji and posted on NBAutoEnthusiasts. I ended up getting my engine from Ohio via Ebay.

Here's a listing for a '14 Corolla being parted out from Saint John:

https://www.kijiji.ca/v-auto-body-parts/saint-john/parting-out-2014-corolla/1399630090?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true


Thanks, I have that saved already. I saw you were a fellow NB'r and was going to hit you up for advice when swap time came. I won't be doing that until my engine dies enough and that could take 100K more based on past history with Toyota. or if I come accross some extra $$

[myfirstyota]

This thread is full of NB'rs lol

[Maritime]

If you get these installed before I do keep us posted as to fitment

Will do, there are 2-3 styles on there and I'm going to get the ones that will fit best after clearancing the wells.

[Maritime]

This thread is full of NB'rs lol

So you are an X-pat maritimer too eh?

[myfirstyota]

Born in Moncton! Fam about 45 min outside of Bathurst

[Maritime]

Born in Moncton! Fam about 45 min outside of Bathurst
Nice, I'm from SJ originally but lived in MTN 2 times for 5-6 years each. Now up here in gods country Carlton County.

[06YarisRS]

Thanks, I have that saved already. I saw you were a fellow NB'r and was going to hit you up for advice when swap time came. I won't be doing that until my engine dies enough and that could take 100K more based on past history with Toyota. or if I come accross some extra $$

Right on. Yeah, the longevity of the 1nz is legendary which is unforunate as I have one for sale with just over 180K on it. :laugh: Best of luck with your project. It sounds really cool. :thumbsup:

[Leegamer]

Man, this project is gonna be epic. Can't wait to see this come together.

How about headers sticking out of the hood? lol

[myfirstyota]

Man, this project is gonna be epic. Can't wait to see this come together.

How about headers sticking out of the hood? lol

Header. No one has figured out how to stog a hemi or ls into a Yaris yet as far as I know lol

[Leegamer]

Header. No one has figured out how to stog a hemi or ls into a Yaris yet as far as I know lol

Lol, truth!

[myfirstyota]

Here is the tire size I'm running on the left. Oem 15" steel rims and the xd springs. I had to remove the rear mud guards and there is basically no extra clearance to the rear bumber. Its safe to say, on xd springs (estimated 1-2" lift), this is as large of a tire that will fit a 2 door hatchback gen2 without major modifications, ie: cuttin stuff..

On the right is my hopeful tire size with the 3-4" lift and most likely a reason to get out the cutoff wheel.
http://i.imgur.com/m97L3hn.jpg
Might need some horribly offset rims for those massive shoes lol

[Maritime]

Here is the tire size I'm running on the right. Oem 15" steel rims and the xd springs. I had to remove the rear mud guards and there is basically no extra clearance to the rear bumber. Its safe to say, on xd springs (estimated 1-2" lift), this is as large of a tire that will fit a 2 door hatchback gen2 without major modifications, ie: cuttin stuff..

On the left is my hopeful tire size with the 3-4" lift and most likely a reason to get out the cutoff wheel.
http://i.imgur.com/m97L3hn.jpg
Might need some horribly offset rims for those massive shoes lol

Did you get left and right backwards in the description LOL? I see the difference there is a lot. I was doing more looking on line and discovered the SX4 has the same style strut as the Yaris and there are 2" lifts for them that look the same as the yaris one I found. I'm trying to find out if the thread size and pitch are the same on their struts as the Yaris, if so the possibilities went way up for sources. Also the kits are basically a bolt extender and a second mount top stacked on top of each other, I chucked my old strut mounts at the local scrap yard but could go back and get them or another set then I just need the bolt extenders and may be able to source or have those machined, costs go way down and they would be easy to install.

[Maritime]

Here is one of the SX4 kits installed, it's the same kit as the Ebay one I found basically.

http://i936.photobucket.com/albums/ad210/Jayheats/Trail%20Ready%20Lifted%20SX4/IMG_0064.jpg

I think if I get some used mounts (wish I kept mine) and figure out the bolt extension I can lift the front the same way cheap.

[Maritime]

I think I am going to stop at the junk yard and see if my old struts and mounts are still in the junk pile. If so I am grabbing the mounts back.

[Maritime]

Found a review on an SX4 forum about the Tema4x4 lifts and they look good. I'm going to see if I can replicate it but if I can't I will likey buy it. Between that kit, clearancing the wheel wells, and maybe some spring helpers to reduce sag, wheel spacers if needed I should be able to get the lift I want.

[myfirstyota]

Yea I didn't throw out any of my strut bushing. Dealer wants $140 a piece for those chunks of rubber.
Love the sx4 idea, if your threads match up you're golden.
I'm assuming you seen how ctscott lifted his crashy? This is how I'm doing it, I believe it would be stronger and cheaper than shock extenders in the top side. But I'm no engineer.

And yea, I can swap an engine, but apparently don't know my left from my right lol

[Maritime]

I Did the KYB quick struts cause one of my front springs was broken and I couldn't get springs alone. Decided to go home for lunch, stopped and found one of my tossed struts with the mount, the other the mount fell off and they were buried in snow so may need to wait till spring to get the other. Anyway I can now look at the strut and come up with a lift to copy the Russian or SX4 design.

[myfirstyota]

So we finally got some proper snow in the golden horseshoe this weekend. I've always loved driving in bad weather. Don't ask me why, I just do. So when I seen that st. Catherine's was expecting between 15-30cm (6-12") I hadded out.
http://i.imgur.com/if6qlE6.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Vl9MTNV.jpg
This car is a tank in the snow with the mild lift and over sized tires. The drifts were up to 12-14" is some spots. Even when stopping in the drifts the car just pulled itself out like nothing. The tires aren't anything special. Actually some of the cheapest money can buy. Lil loud on the pavement, but grab pretty good in the hard pack and loose fluf. Antares is the brand. $500 on the rims.

[Maritime]

Nice. We're going to end up with 2' by end of tomorrow. I need my lift done yesterday. Big reason to do it is just what you wrote. Even drifts wont stop you if you have the ground clearance.

I brain stormed a bit and think I have a way to make the Russia lift myself with my old struts donating parts. If I get a chance today to work on it and it works Ill post up pics and description.

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[Maritime]

Didn't get a chance to work on the lift. The plan I have is to cut off the ends of the old strut shafts, then use a deep bolt, like a lug to attach it to the new strut tops and extend them, use a second set of mounts and stack them just like the Ebay kits. I just need to research how much thread contact will be enough to be strong enough, I may need to have someone weld it. I have the M12x1.25 lugs and they have about 1" of thread in them so just the threads would be .5" engagement on each half of the extension. I have an engineer buddy I can ask about it once I build it. From my measurements though I'll be able to get as much as 2" of strut extension from that setup. If the engineer says the 1", .5" each isn't enough strength the lug has 1.75" in total length, just the .75" has no threads so I could have the stud welded in there and give more thread engagement on the lower shaft if needed. The Russian kit doen't look like it has much more than .5" of thread on it.

[Maritime]

Dammit, went to do some on the lift idea and broke my grinder. Need to go pick up a new one, likely on the weekend when I can get to harbor freight in Maine. Progress will continue then.

[myfirstyota]

Keep us posted

Side note: the metal place called me the other day. My pieces for my rear spacers are ready for pick up. Hopefully I can get there before they close in the next week.

[Maritime]

Keep us posted

Side note: the metal place called me the other day. My pieces for my rear spacers are ready for pick up. Hopefully I can get there before they close in the next week.

good luck, I hate trying to make it to a shop/store that closes early. I may be able to use my dremel for part of the idea and if so I'll get some progress pics up. Right now there is nothing to see LOL.

[myfirstyota]

Dremel... The tool sent from god. Hahaha
I use mine constantly

[Maritime]

Got grinder to work. This much so far. I think it will be plenty strong. Working out how to gain the 1.5" needed under the mount.

http://www.dotheton.com/gallery/1732-260119191336.jpeg

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[Maritime]

Ok. This is a start. I can do 2 of these. There is 1.5" between the 2 spring perches so now just need something as the meat in the sandwhich.

http://www.dotheton.com/gallery/1732-260119202511.jpeg

http://www.dotheton.com/gallery/1732-260119202549.jpeg

http://www.dotheton.com/gallery/1732-260119202634.jpeg

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[myfirstyota]

You might be on to something there sir

[Maritime]

Trip to ct and found this in the boat.section. high density boat roller. Uv and salt resistant and can carry a huge boat on it.

http://www.dotheton.com/gallery/1732-270119123315.jpeg

Cut an inch and half slice and Roberts your mothers brother.

http://www.dotheton.com/gallery/1732-270119123403.jpeg

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[Maritime]

Pretty sure it will work fine. Replicate one more and buy the rear spring.spacers and the lift part will be sorted

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[myfirstyota]

I'm really hoping I can get to my metal place this week to pick up my bits!

Let us know when you install these. Dying to find out how it works.

[Maritime]

I'm really hoping I can get to my metal place this week to pick up my bits!

Let us know when you install these. Dying to find out how it works.Will do. Gonna order the rear spacers tonight or tomorrow and will put it all in once they arrive.

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[Maritime]

So I just pulled the trigger on these, $22CAD shipped off amazon. 1.5" coil spacers. not vehicle specific so hope they fit. Also a set of camber bolts as going up 1.5" will require an alignment I bet.

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61OUpYmheoL._SL1500_.jpg

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/waQAAOSw5UZY96p1/s-l1600.jpg

[myfirstyota]

Sweet, hopefully Amazon is quick out that way lol

We got a record snowfall for Toronto yesterday. 26+ cm. With just the xd springs and the tires I'm running... this car was unstoppable. I was bombing around stuck SUVs, CUV's and just about everything else on the road. Even 2' snow berms left by the plow were no problem with a bit of momentum. Im guessing 1.5-2" of lift plus a larger tire will satisfy most people's desire for easier mobility in snow.

[Maritime]

Sweet, hopefully Amazon is quick out that way lol

We got a record snowfall for Toronto yesterday. 26+ cm. With just the xd springs and the tires I'm running... this car was unstoppable. I was bombing around stuck SUVs, CUV's and just about everything else on the road. Even 2' snow berms left by the plow were no problem with a bit of momentum. Im guessing 1.5-2" of lift plus a larger tire will satisfy most people's desire for easier mobility in snow.

I saw the snow on the news. We're getting that storm here but only calling for 10-15cm. I know with some clearance the little red car will get through anything. The only time I get stuck is when the bottom hits snow and lifts the tires off the ground. Bits should arrive on Friday, I have to do a bathroom reno so we'll see if I get some time to install the lift.

[Maritime]

Was perusing the web for roof rack options then remembered I have a Thule setup from my old X-Trail(POS) so I am going to see if I can line that up and mount. Anyone know if the spot under the black rubber is thick enough to drill and tap threads? Generally that's the strongest part of the roof.

[WeeYari]

http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29812

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[Maritime]

http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29812

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Thanks. I found that right after I typed the question. first time I searched I had a typo and nothing came up LOL. I need to look into the expanding anchors from that thread.

[Maritime]

Rear spacers are supposed to arrive by tomorrow, Amazon guarantee. Camber bolts are landing in Maine today along with some other bits and bobs I ordered. Hopefully this weekend I can get the lift in, and get the rack out of storage and get it on too. I think I am going to wrap one of my wheels/tires with some foam or cardboard or something to add the width and diameter of the new tires and mount it up into the wheel wells front and back and see if anything is going to rub etc. That way if I need a spacer I can order them before I order the tires.

[Leegamer]

I'm hoping you will take pics to document!

[Maritime]

I'm hoping you will take pics to document!

Yeah I will, I just noticed the links to the pics of all the parts I did are not showing in the thread anymore?

[Maritime]

Just on my work pc, fine on phone. Looks like our new office 360 is blocking stuff


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[justjesus]

tires:
https://www.tirerack.com/images/tires/general/ge_grabber_atx_pdpcrop.jpg

Lift Kit which will give me 1" front and 1.5" back:
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/urEAAOSwwPdb~vgz/s-l225.jpg

Maritime

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Complete-lift-kit-30mm-for-Toyota-AQUA-AYGO-BELTA-COROLLA-IST-RACTIS-SCION/113408065587?fits=Model%3AYaris&epid=16026638127&hash=item1a67a5c033:g:urEAAOSwwPdb~vgz:rk:3:pf:0

Looks simple enough, strut top bolt extender and spacer for strut, rear spring seat extender like for jeeps.

I have the General tires on my Jeep XJ. So far, I like 'em enough. For my Yaris, I'm running the prior gen of the BFG All Terrains in 195/70-14 (70, I think). They hold up well for daily driver duty.

Sure enough, when looking at my own Off Road Yaris project, I found some Jeep JK front spacers that may work in the rear of the Yaris. Some measurements were taken, and I *think* they could work. I bought them but never put them on to confirm. I'm pretty sure of it, though.


Ha, that would be rad but way out of budget. I'll be lucky of I can manage a 2ZR swap and afford an LSD when the original motor finally bites the bullet. the lift, tires and rack are all budget friendly.

Yea an LSD is about $1600 cad for a quaife. Plus install. Its not a budget friendly mod... But sometime you gotta say f-the budget lol

The LSD, plus the xB final drive ratio, is what I was considering for mine. But, unfortunately, I couldn't say "F- the budget" :( The cost of those two items, plus install, was high enough that I took that money and bought a 1996 Jeep Cherokee (XJ).

If you YouTube "off road yaris" mine should be the first hit. You can see where having an LSD would have helped. But in reality, that stuff I was attempting there IS a bit much for a FWD econobox :) I knew this going in! It did much better on regular dirt trails.

I really hope you get this project going!!!! I still go back and forth on mine.

Also, I'm still kind of tinkering with a way to get the rear lifted, without affecting the shocks, or the angle of the rear beam assembly.

[myfirstyota]

I think you'll have to make rear axle drop brackets if you don't want the angle of the axle affected. I plan on a 3-4" lift and I'm just gonna push that axle down. It will be way too much fab work to make axle mount drop brackets. I took a quick look one day to see if some sort of bolt in drop brackets could be made. Didn't look remotely easy to me.

Praying I can get my spacer bits next week. Didn't have time to get to the metal place before 5 this week :(

[Type-Y]

This is a cool idea. I for one have always loved bugs, in all their various iterations, including the baja bug. I've often thought of the Yaris as the modern day VW bug due to it's simplicity, reliability, dependability and utility. Good luck and post your progress.

[Maritime]

Ok guys. Still working on this but wife decided this weekend was master bathe reno start so I beat out tearing out tiles, tubs and shit. Spacers came in and I think with 1.5" I shouldnt need to worry about axle or shocks. Ill get little bits done here and there over the next few days and report back.

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[Maritime]

I have the General tires on my Jeep XJ. So far, I like 'em enough. For my Yaris, I'm running the prior gen of the BFG All Terrains in 195/70-14 (70, I think). They hold up well for daily driver duty.

Sure enough, when looking at my own Off Road Yaris project, I found some Jeep JK front spacers that may work in the rear of the Yaris. Some measurements were taken, and I *think* they could work. I bought them but never put them on to confirm. I'm pretty sure of it, though.






The LSD, plus the xB final drive ratio, is what I was considering for mine. But, unfortunately, I couldn't say "F- the budget" :( The cost of those two items, plus install, was high enough that I took that money and bought a 1996 Jeep Cherokee (XJ).

If you YouTube "off road yaris" mine should be the first hit. You can see where having an LSD would have helped. But in reality, that stuff I was attempting there IS a bit much for a FWD econobox :) I knew this going in! It did much better on regular dirt trails.

I really hope you get this project going!!!! I still go back and forth on mine.

Also, I'm still kind of tinkering with a way to get the rear lifted, without affecting the shocks, or the angle of the rear beam assembly.

Yep, the LSD will be if and when I do an engine swap if the body is still good. I saw your vids on Youtube. Found them after I decided I'd do the Baja and started searching to see if anyone had done it before me. I'm only planning to use it on some old logging roads etc so after seeing what you did, I'm comfortable with the project. I can't find any tires in the 195/75/14 anymore. They are all discontinued, that's why I need to go qith the 27x8.5 14. I hope the 1.5" lift front and back and some fender massage will be enough to fit them without rubbing.

I have just a little bit of fab left on one front lift and I'll be ready to install. If I can swing a couple hours in the evening this week I'll get them installed. The rear lifts came and look promising. If the centers end up to wide, I'll cut those out and the outer cup walls should still keep them in place. Then I will drive it a few times to make sure all is ok noise/vibration wise. If good I'll cover a current wheel tire in foam/cardboard to make it the sized of the new tires and see if it fits in the wells. I'll need to compress the shocks/struts and still turn the wheels to see if they rub. I think I have enough stands and jacks to manage that. I'll post up pics when I do it.

[Maritime]

This is a cool idea. I for one have always loved bugs, in all their various iterations, including the baja bug. I've often thought of the Yaris as the modern day VW bug due to it's simplicity, reliability, dependability and utility. Good luck and post your progress.

Me too, I bought the car out of affordability and necessity but really found I love the little thing. I've always loved the Baja bugs and Manx buggies but they cost so much now that I want to do my Yaris up as an Baja inspired byt the VW's.

[justjesus]

I think you'll have to make rear axle drop brackets if you don't want the angle of the axle affected. I plan on a 3-4" lift and I'm just gonna push that axle down. It will be way too much fab work to make axle mount drop brackets. I took a quick look one day to see if some sort of bolt in drop brackets could be made. Didn't look remotely easy to me.


I had two ideas for that. (1) Where the beam ties into the body, one bolt on each side if I recall. There are actually two bolt holes on either side. Some guys use the upper one once they've lowered the car some. I was thinking using those two bolt holes to make a simple bracket to drop the beam a small amount. (2) was a plate system. One plate per wheel. Sort of like the penguin spacers, but made to "lift" the car by adding ground clearance. I drew it out once, but have moved a couple of times and not sure where that drawing is.


This is a cool idea. I for one have always loved bugs, in all their various iterations, including the baja bug. I've often thought of the Yaris as the modern day VW bug due to it's simplicity, reliability, dependability and utility. Good luck and post your progress.

Yup. I like those Baja bugs as well. Saw a video or two with a group of them going through some trails near where I live. I watched those videos to see if I thought the Yaris would be able to make it. Haha.. havent tried those yet.

Yep, the LSD will be if and when I do an engine swap if the body is still good. I saw your vids on Youtube. Found them after I decided I'd do the Baja and started searching to see if anyone had done it before me. I'm only planning to use it on some old logging roads etc so after seeing what you did, I'm comfortable with the project. I can't find any tires in the 195/75/14 anymore. They are all discontinued, that's why I need to go qith the 27x8.5 14. I hope the 1.5" lift front and back and some fender massage will be enough to fit them without rubbing.

Thanks for watching! I noticed that size hasn't carried over to the new KO2s. Bummer, for sure. Other tires that I was looking at, and they have more Yaris friendly size options, are dirt rally tires. Not sure how long they'd last on a street driven Yaris, though. I was lucky enough to get the BFGs while they still had them. I believe the Grabbers in 27" size were the next smallest size (not including rally tires).

If you're just looking at some old logging roads, maybe a less aggressive "all terrain" may work.

But then again, the black Overlanding Yaris guy is running 215/75-15 which is about 27.6" tall. Not sure what his "lift" specs are, but it looks like he's having success with them.


I have just a little bit of fab left on one front lift and I'll be ready to install. If I can swing a couple hours in the evening this week I'll get them installed.

Looking forward to your update.

[myfirstyota]

I had two ideas for that. (1) Where the beam ties into the body, one bolt on each side if I recall. There are actually two bolt holes on either side. Some guys use the upper one once they've lowered the car some. I was thinking using those two bolt holes to make a simple bracket to drop the beam a small amount.
I also looked at the upper holes to use to mount some type of drop bracket. Now, I didn't spend an hour poking around down there but I didn't think the upper holes were threaded on the inboard side. And because of the way the "frame" is assembled, theres no access to the other side without cutting holes. Please tell me I'm wrong and that the upper holes are threaded on the inboard side (like the lower holes where the axle mounts from factory). If they are... drop brackets would be very feasable. But then I think, you axe some ground clearance by lowering the whole axle...

[Maritime]

My camber bolts arrived in Maine along with some bumper brackets, my front bumper has been flapping around since I changed out a headlight and found the PO had hot glued the bumper on LOL. I'll grab those this week sometime and the last of what I need to install the lift will be in hand. I'm copying the off the shelf lift from Russia that says no axle relocation required, I hope they are correct but I'll let every one know once I get it installed.

[justjesus]

Please tell me I'm wrong and that the upper holes are threaded on the inboard side (like the lower holes where the axle mounts from factory). If they are... drop brackets would be very feasable. But then I think, you axe some ground clearance by lowering the whole axle...

You would definitely lose some clearance. :iono: Seems, there's one trade off or another, right?

The other idea I had, adds maybe about an inch of clearance without affecting anything else.

Anyway, here's the link to using the upper bolt hole. Surely, it is threaded.

http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showpost.php?p=415353&postcount=25

[Maritime]

You would definitely lose some clearance. :iono: Seems, there's one trade off or another, right?

The other idea I had, adds maybe about an inch of clearance without affecting anything else.

Anyway, here's the link to using the upper bolt hole. Surely, it is threaded.

http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showpost.php?p=415353&postcount=25

interesting. so the 2 holes could be used with some plate to do the opposite and lower the axle an inch to correct for taller springs and keep travel the same. Very interesting indeed. mind you would lose a little clearance but keep factory set travel.

Edit: you'd definately want to put some shock extensions of the same length as well.

[myfirstyota]

You would definitely lose some clearance. :iono: Seems, there's one trade off or another, right?

The other idea I had, adds maybe about an inch of clearance without affecting anything else.

Anyway, here's the link to using the upper bolt hole. Surely, it is threaded.

http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showpost.php?p=415353&postcount=25

That would appear to be threaded for sure lol
I think the 'penguin spacer bearing relocation plate' would be a good idea to get your lift and maintain axle angle + maintain good ground clearance but the only thing I'd be worried about is lateral force. Maybe some sort of diagonal bracing from the bottom of the bearing mount to somewhere on the axle could be fabricated.

I looked at fabricating my own spacers but came to the realization it's not easy cutting perfect holes in 1/4" and up thick steel plate and abandon the idea.

Side note: I just may be able to get off early enough to pick up my rear spacer bits tonight. I'm having an unforseen issue though and may not be able to fabricate/install the lift for a couple months. Bummer.

[Maritime]

also looking at parts fiches for the rear you could make a bracket to lower the hubs on the axle instead that would give clearance and lift without touching the springs and shocks at all.

[Maritime]

That would appear to be threaded for sure lol
I think the 'penguin spacer bearing relocation plate' would be a good idea to get your lift and maintain axle angle + maintain good ground clearance but the only thing I'd be worried about is lateral force. Maybe some sort of diagonal bracing from the bottom of the bearing mount to somewhere on the axle could be fabricated.

I looked at fabricating my own spacers but came to the realization it's not easy cutting perfect holes in 1/4" and up thick steel plate and abandon the idea.

Ha I just typed my reply before I saw this. I know a guy stateside with a CNC water jet that could cut anything we could draw up.

[myfirstyota]

That's what I had done for my spacer build. Took my sketches to a metal place that does custom cutting. They used a waterjet to cut my pieces. Now if I could only weld lime a pro, they'd look perfect when I'm done lol

[Maritime]

That's what I had done for my spacer build. Took my sketches to a metal place that does custom cutting. They used a waterjet to cut my pieces. Now if I could only weld lime a pro, they'd look perfect when I'm done lol

Cool.

[Maritime]

ok so get an axle from a wrecked car, then do this:

cut off both:
http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=60291&stc=1&d=1549392640

flip from one side other, reweld on bottom:

http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=60292&stc=1&d=1549392640

Or make a bolt on plate:

http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=60293&stc=1&d=1549392783

[Maritime]

but then what to do to match on front is the harder one.

[thebarber]

scion xb gen1 springs: LIFT IT. LIFT IT GOOD!

https://i.imgur.com/OFqnItc.jpg

[Maritime]

Ha, ok. I really want to put the lift I have made in tonight because its +7C today here. I wonder if the wife will let me out of bathroom duty to do it?

[myfirstyota]

Maritime, I don't think that rear cut and weld axle idea will work. Not sure how your axle is built but mine doesn't look like that at all. The bearing mount on the ends of the axle are welded around the circumference of the mount. The axle is like an oval pipe on the ends. On my car, the bearing mount is fully welded around the outside to the pipe that makes up the axle. It's not like pictured in post 84.

Side note:
http://i.imgur.com/kv4bhe4.jpg
See where this is going?

Maritime, I'll stop polluting your thread now lol

[Maritime]

I see ;D

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[Maritime]

Pulled the thule out of storage. Going to need a trim width wise and need to sort bolts but it will.work great and at 0$ budget friendly.

[hotracer_05]

subd, thought about lifting mine as well...but ive gotten used to cornering pretty hard in it lol.

[myfirstyota]

subd, thought about lifting mine as well...but ive gotten used to cornering pretty hard in it lol.

Use xd springs. Still corners ok with the trd rear sway bar and 70 series tires

[Maritime]

dug my rack out of storage, going to need to be cut down a bit and I need to finalize how I will bolt it on. Can't find just the bolts online from Thule, have to buy the whole towers so I need to check Mcmaster or fastenal etc. to find something that will work. Also got the second front lift closer to finished, I may actually get it installed this weekend if the bathroom works goes fast enough. Ordered a set of threaded inserts to mount this and they will arrive by Monday next week. I'll get it set and ready to go on the weekend then drill and mount next week.

[Maritime]

Project isn't dead, just slowed. I got 20 min to finish the second front lift. So they are ready to install and after yesterdays 2' of snow and the floor dragging I'd like it in there now. I also got the riv-nuts in from amazon so I can mount the rack. Hopefully this weekend, the bathroom is about half done, so when I get to laying tile, I'll have wait time between laying and grouting that I hope to get the lifts in front and back and report on how they work. As long as the honey do list doesn't get added too that is.

[06YarisRS]

Project isn't dead, just slowed. I got 20 min to finish the second front lift. So they are ready to install and after yesterdays 2' of snow and the floor dragging I'd like it in there now. I also got the riv-nuts in from amazon so I can mount the rack. Hopefully this weekend, the bathroom is about half done, so when I get to laying tile, I'll have wait time between laying and grouting that I hope to get the lifts in front and back and report on how they work. As long as the honey do list doesn't get added too that is.

:w00t: Looking forward to the progress.

[hotracer_05]

Use xd springs. Still corners ok with the trd rear sway bar and 70 series tires

What year range XD should I keep an eye out for? I have a 3rd gen 2012 3 door

[myfirstyota]

Any. I don't think the was much difference between the years suspension wise.

[Maritime]

Well. Still no time to install the lift, this is the reason but getting closer to finished. I am not a fast as I was prior to a bad Motorcycle crash involving a deer slamming into me from the side and ruining my left leg and hip. Doing tile at 44 and being a gimp this is taking 2-3 X longer than it would have. But once done I get garage time again!

[Leegamer]

Tile looks good! I spent the weekend doing tile in my kitchen.
6x36 pieces on a 55 year old floor are a pain in the rear.

[Maritime]

Tile looks good! I spent the weekend doing tile in my kitchen.
6x36 pieces on a 55 year old floor are a pain in the rear.

I bet, that's 18x18 travertine stone. floor was nice and level for me, 1" boards with 1/2" ply on top, but the tiles were different thickness sometimes being natural stone. having to lift one up to re-level by either adding or removing thinset sucks LOL. Took me from Friday evening till end of day Sunday to lay the 110 square feet. I was beat out.

[Maritime]

So this is done, work can now resume on the Yaris:
http://www.dotheton.com/gallery/1732-040319185203.jpeg

[Leegamer]

Looks great! I love that tub, we're going with something similar in our bathroom and I think I bought the same faucet, lol.

[Maritime]

Looks great! I love that tub, we're going with something similar in our bathroom and I think I bought the same faucet, lol.

It's nice, ours was a package deal from Costco including faucet, although I got it for pennies on the dollar from a freight claim. I hope your's has better instructions. there was no measurements in the drawing for mine and the drain placement was tough. It got buggered up and that's why this took me a few days longer, I had to spend a day running back and forth to the plumbing dept to test fittings until I got the drain pipe shaped to fix the mis-measurement. Was so glad I didn't have to bust open the floor to fix it. The curve of the tub made figuring out the distance from faucet to drain very hard to do.

Good luck on your job.

[Maritime]

So, I got to do some work on the car! Installed the Thule roof rack rails. Went ok, had a couple of the riv-nuts spin on me but sorted them. It's a little noisy but not real bad. looking forward to throwing the basket on when I get it ordered. Hoping some night this week to get the lift in, I need a good 2-3 hours un-interrupted for that though. Depends on weather as one of the decks decided to come off the house on Friday so I need to address that as soon as I can get to it, need the 5' of snow around it to melt down some.

[Maritime]

I'll get a pic today outside with the back one on too.

[Tskm2]

That a nice idea the axle lift plate. I build similar couple years ago for my jetta mk2 bit for lower it.

[Maritime]

At work.

[Maritime]

Also Stopped into the local shop I used when I need inspections and other stuff I can't do at home and they can get the Grabber ATX for the same price as the best deal I can find online so I can just call them, order and bring the wheels in for install. Love that.

[Tskm2]

What is the tread size of strut nut exactly? Did you cut only the tread section on your old strut and treaded an half into wheel nut?

[Maritime]

M12*1.25 I think. I chopped the threaded end of old struts and it threads 50% on the lug nut so shoild be plenty of engagement

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[Tskm2]

http://clubsx4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8357&page=3

Kanook lift. That wath sx4 owner build. Same strut as yaris. And they built strong and dont put to much stress on shock stud.

Click on first image they have alot of picture on that flickr account

[Maritime]

http://clubsx4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8357&page=3

Kanook lift. That wath sx4 owner build. Same strut as yaris. And they built strong and dont put to much stress on shock stud.

Click on first image they have alot of picture on that flickr account

That's what I copied from. Just didn't have the ability to weld so came up with a mechanical method.

[myfirstyota]

I don't have the ability to weld...i just own a welder lol

[Maritime]

So, first off, no pics yet, not sure what happened I was snapping them but they are not on my phone?? anyway Sunday was a day of successes and failures. The cheapo coil spacers were a success, they required me to compress the springs off the car, then zip tie em, then put them in on top of the spacer then cut the zip ties. That worked and gave me 1.5" at the wheel wells. All I had to do was trim the inner bit out as the springs were a smaller circle. but they fit in the perches perfectly and the outer ring holds everything in. Move on to the front, here's the fail. I installed the first one and it worked well, everything tightened up and it gave me about 1.4" increase in height at the fender. Wohoo. so on the the last corner, it is the same, exact same as the other but it didn't work, the strut bolt kept poking way farther up that it should and it was like the lift was compressing itself. but I put the rubber ring in a vise and could get it to budge at all. No matter how many times I took it out and looked, put it back in it just wouldn't work. So now I need to figure out a plan b. I did get a ride down the road when I thought it was tight and the added height was great, add the bigger tires and it should be awesome.

[06YarisRS]

Best of luck getting that last bit straightened out. It will look and work great in the end, I'm sure!

Looking forward to the pics when it's done. :thumbsup:

[Maritime]

Best of luck getting that last bit straightened out. It will look and work great in the end, I'm sure!

Looking forward to the pics when it's done. :thumbsup:

Thanks, I just don't get why one side worked and one didn't. It's been bugging me all day LOL. I am going to see if I can find something else at the hardware store to put in the 1.5" space I had the rubber ring, I can't see that compressing but it must be. But why only one of the 2 as they are identical??? That is the puzzling bit.

[YarMatey]

That’s definitely weird one side isn’t working the same as the other. So you have pictures of the assembly prior to it being installed in the car? Maybe something is just slightly different from one assembly to the other?

[Maritime]

Here it is basically a dense rubber ring with a strut top and extension on the bolt. I cut the rings from a boat trailer roller and tried to compress in my vice and it wouldn't budge.

[Maritime]

I know the rubber mount on the top compressed some, but that ring shouldn't at all

[Maritime]

SO the only thing I can think of, is the top rubber strut normally sits right on the bearing and the second bit is missing that bearing and maybe on the one side it compressed more than the other and I need to drill out and put a bearing on that piece to fill the hollow under the topper? It won't fit over the lug nut I used unless I drill it out.

[Maritime]

Here is rear.

[Maritime]

Here is the rear.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190325/37173136ece707ca6ce0acf7d07b0567.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190325/0bc2d50ed6d3bad7db0b57c9f0f95b97.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190325/4e35d44fb36e88f211bd3ae54b344b90.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190325/2740dbe1b783590888e7ff73de4af2e0.jpg

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[YarMatey]

Yeah I’m not sure why the opposite side seems to be compressing once the weight of the car is installed on it. I would keep an eye on the rubber from time to time so check it’s condition though. I bought spring spacers that go inbetween the coils once and the first time I lowered the weight of the car onto them they started to split from the inside out.

Looks like you got some good lift going on though!

[myfirstyota]

This is half the fun. Try, fail, try again!

[Maritime]

Pretty sure Ingot it figured. One of the kyb strut tops was a little softer on the side that compressed more. I need something to take u the air under the domed part and reinstall

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[Tskm2]

Which spacer exactly you buy for the rear? If its not a secret!

[Maritime]

No secret but they were used and only set but prob can find new. Ill find thenlink and post if I can

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[Maritime]

Daystar KC09103BK Comfort Ride 1.5-Inch Front Coil Spring Spacer Kit - 2 Piece

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They aren't perfect but I paid 20 CAD shipped to the house so if they didnt work I wasnt out much.

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[CrankyOldMan]

Your linky no worky. =D

[Maritime]

Your linky no worky. =D

Sorry, was on my phone and the copy paste must have buggered.

These:

https://www.amazon.com/Daystar-Leveling-transmissions-KC09103BK-America/dp/B001GH1LWM/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?keywords=Daystar+KC09103BK+Comfor t+Ride+1.5-Inch+Front+Coil+Spring+Spacer+Kit+-+2+Piece&qid=1553691443&s=gateway&sr=8-1-fkmr0

I only paid 20 shipped CAD for the set I got, were supposedly used but were NIB when they arrived. had never been installed.

[Maritime]

Thanks to Myfirsttoyota for the site I have the tire comparison below. the Grabber ATX are listed as 26.9" but .1 of an " is not enough to matter. I need to measure my clearance and may need to mod my lift some more. I did math but I think I got the wrong measurement on the small tire the first time maybe.

[myfirstyota]

I like the beefy sidewall on the 14" rim!
Gonna feel like you're driving on beach balls!! Lol

[Maritime]

I like the beefy sidewall on the 14" rim!
Gonna feel like you're driving on beach balls!! Lol

When aired down for sure. It's a big part of why I am doing the mods as the potholes here are brutal. I went from 17" wheels and tires on my CRV to 16" Nokian Rotiiva AT tires and the larger sidewalls made the ride nice. it barely effected the handling but I get one tire year round as they are Mountain snowflake rated and I improved the pothole survival of my wheels.

Doing the maths as the GT guys say. I am giving the car 1.5" of lift.

26.9" Grabber - 23.5" Altimax = 3.4" Diameter / 2 = 1.7" needed clearances. I will need to maybe install a spring stiffener to the front or back and cut the bumpers a bit. I am also willing to trim fender metal and add flares and offset with spacers for the width of the tire. I am going to do some measurements in the back wheel wells and arches now that the lift is in a settled from a few drives to work and see where I might get an issue or not.

[06YarisRS]

...as the potholes here are brutal.

Werd :eyebulge:

[YarMatey]

You may be able to get away with the amount of lift you’re putting on. I’m running 185/65r15s on stock steelies, which are 24.5” diameter, and have no issues with rubbing.

When I bought the tires they were originally mounted on Kia Rio wheels which were the same width but had a +36 offset instead of the stock +45 and I got rubbing over bad bumps where the fender attaches to the bumper. It’ll mainly be the fun trial and error in finding out what works best I think! Excited to see those beefy grabbers on there though!

[Maritime]

You may be able to get away with the amount of lift you’re putting on. I’m running 185/65r15s on stock steelies, which are 24.5” diameter, and have no issues with rubbing.

When I bought the tires they were originally mounted on Kia Rio wheels which were the same width but had a +36 offset instead of the stock +45 and I got rubbing over bad bumps where the fender attaches to the bumper. It’ll mainly be the fun trial and error in finding out what works best I think! Excited to see those beefy grabbers on there though!

Good to know. I am just about to look at what my TireRack special alloys offset is to see if I need more. the wheels and tires were off my old 96 Civic hatch, I'v had them for 8 years now. Just lucky the Yaris could take the same slightly larger tire. Right now I have my winters in the same size on a set of mazda protoge steel wheels, know idea the offset on those either but they fit fine too.

[Maritime]

so my sport edition F12's are 14X6 38MM offset. you say 45MM is stock. I need to remember myself what that means for wheel in well position. Less puts wheel farther out bound, more puts it more inbound or is it the reverse?

Size:
14x6
Offset:
38mm
Backspacing:
5.00"
Bolt Pattern:
4-100
Rec. Tire Size:
175/65-14
Weight:
15.0 lbs.

[YarMatey]

Yeah so the +38 will sit 13mm further away from the strut. Wheel width is another thing to take into consideration though. For example, the wheels I had for a Kia Rio were 5.5” wide and +36 offset. The tire shop was originally going to order me a 6” wide wheel with a +45 offset. With the extra 0.5” wheel width the offset difference wouldn’t have mattered.

This is a good website to get a visual of how offsets and widths will affect your wheel placement.

https://www.willtheyfit.com

[YarMatey]

If you do go the route of the 27x8.5 grabbers maybe take a peek at what the minimum required wheel width is for that tire too, might factor into things.

[Maritime]

If you do go the route of the 27x8.5 grabbers maybe take a peek at what the minimum required wheel width is for that tire too, might factor into things.

Thanks. sorted that already 6 is the min and I was about to calculate some stuff but I'll check the link you posted first.

[Maritime]

OK, from that site, I am good for suspension clearances. Outer wheel arch may rub but I won't need offset spacers from the looks of it. The protege wheels I have are 14X5.5 45MM offset. The wider tire, had to put closest Pmetric size as 27x8.5 screwed it up.

[Maritime]

oh and here is the plan to stop the over compression of the strut top rubber mount. Those are the bump stops out of my CRV struts I rebuilt.

[Maritime]

So I have yet to get the modded lifts in the front but I did measure my rear wheel wells and I have 2.25" before the front of the arch would get hit, which means no trimming near the door. I'll need to trim the back bumper a bit as I have just about 1.5" at the rear of the arch and the tires are 1.6" bigger. We'll see for sure but trimming the plastic bumper is not a deal breaker. I need to mock up a fake tire on the alloy rims to check the front once I get it lifted finally. I may get to it tonight or tomorrow depending on honey do's etc.

[YarMatey]

You could just go to a tire shop or an auto junker and see what a cheap used tire that size would cost. I imagine not much. Might be able to give you a better idea for trimming if you have some actual rubber that size.
Interested to see how those grabbers look on there! They’re going to be some beefy tires!

[Maritime]

You could just go to a tire shop or an auto junker and see what a cheap used tire that size would cost. I imagine not much. Might be able to give you a better idea for trimming if you have some actual rubber that size.
Interested to see how those grabbers look on there! They’re going to be some beefy tires!


good point, I have the HF tire changer for bike tires and have taken tires of car rims with it, If I can get a scrap one in the right size I could swap it and inflate it probably easier than making a dummy tire. The only thing is they are pretty rare tires around here. When I went in to my shop and asked them to look at them for pricing, the guy argued they didn't make that size and was surprised when they came up available in their system. If I still had my 15" rims I could find a tire in the P-Metric size that would be really close easier but I sold those rims.

[Maritime]

225/70/14 exists and may be easier to find. I't pretty close in size to the 27x8.5R14. I'll try that one.

[YarMatey]

Yeah I’m sure there’s a couple sizes that would end up similar enough in diameter that could work just like you pointed out. Good luck hunting!

[YarMatey]

scion xb gen1 springs: LIFT IT. LIFT IT GOOD!

https://i.imgur.com/OFqnItc.jpg


With just the xD springs how much lift would you estimate it gave you? Any issues with the shocks being topped out that you noticed?

Also, Myfirstyota you said the whole strut assembly from an xD will bolt right into a Yaris with no modification? What about the rear shocks do you know?

[Tskm2]

Update !?

[Maritime]

Update !?Life. LOL. I will have time wed or thur I hope to put the front and see. Backs been holding up but its clunky so need to find out why before I make it permanant. I thinknit may be shocks topping out over bumps and if thats true I need to extend them to prevent damage.

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[Maritime]

Well it will be a little longer before I get the front done. I had my CRV V-TEC shit the bed on the drive home from NH last night and it is in the garage waiting on a new Actuator valve and it won't be out of there until that arrives Friday or Sat.

[myfirstyota]

With just the xD springs how much lift would you estimate it gave you? Any issues with the shocks being topped out that you noticed?

Also, Myfirstyota you said the whole strut assembly from an xD will bolt right into a Yaris with no modification? What about the rear shocks do you know?

I'd say an inch to an inch and a half. And yes, you must be careful when going over speed bumps etc. When the suspension dropps out. Because there is much less weight, the struts top out quick. Daily driving is no problem. But if you take a speed hump quickly, the struts will top out.

And yes, theyre a direct bolt-in. You could order an aftermarket assembled strut and you're done.

[myfirstyota]

I finally got my tool issue sorted out. I expect to be done the front in 2-3 weeks. Out of town for work again tomorrow :/

[YarMatey]

Oh awesome. I’m thinking with just the xD suspension and fender cutting I should be able to fit 27” all terrains. Good to know the whole strut assembly from the xD will bolt into the Yaris. I’ve searched high and low for used xD springs, the stealership wants so much I could likely just but a new set of struts and rear springs/shocks. Thanks for the info!

Can’t wait to see how the front lift goes for you, that things going to be a BEAST when it’s done!

[Maritime]

Well lift version 2.0 is in and seems good. I'll drive it for a few days to be sure, Next I need to find a used tire in the same or close to same size to try mounting and check for clearance etc. there was a full 1.5" after the lift was installed and waiting to see if there is any settling etc. Only thing I notice is the steering is a little heavier but not bad really, I actually prefer it now as before the electric assist was too much, now it seems better. I can actually feel the height change sitting in the car too which could just be in my head LOL.

[Tskm2]

Look perfect!

[YarMatey]

Looks like it’s coming along nicely! I totally get what you mean about “feeling” it when you sat in the car. When I went from 175/65r14 to 185/75r15 tires I could even feel the tiny amount of tire lift I got.

[Maritime]

Best part was normally on my drive to work there are 2 dips where the bumper hit the road, didnt happen this morning.

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[Maritime]

So been driving with the lift and it drives great. Selling off the winter tires I wont need and when those are sold, ill order the grabbers! Still hvaent found an old 14" tire do will have ti wrap one in old foam or something to check fender ckearances

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[06YarisRS]

So been driving with the lift and it drives great. Selling off the winter tires I wont need and when those are sold, ill order the grabbers! Still hvaent found an old 14" tire do will have ti wrap one in old foam or something to check fender ckearances

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I think I have an old 14" tire or two lying around. Might be an opportunity to go for a day trip and check out the current state of the turbo Yaris. :biggrin:

[Maritime]

I think I have an old 14" tire or two lying around. Might be an opportunity to go for a day trip and check out the current state of the turbo Yaris. :biggrin:

Love to see the turbo in person, but do you have a 27" tire? I have 2 sets of 185/65/14 but need the 27"x8.5" 14 to check clearances

[06YarisRS]

Love to see the turbo in person, but do you have a 27" tire? I have 2 sets of 185/65/14 but need the 27"x8.5" 14 to check clearances


Ah, that I don't have. My apologies for not reading carefully enough. That will be one mean looking rig.

[Maritime]

Well Still waiting to sell the CRV wheels and tires or my Winter wheels and tires. I am not getting any bites on them at all. I need them to sell soon as my rear tires are at 1/32 above the tread indicators. I really want to get the grabbers installed on this thing to finish the project.

[myfirstyota]

It's not easy selling rims and tires. Especially if they're less than 75% tread and the rims aren't perfect. And even then you almost have to give them away.

My project is on hold cause there's 2 other vehicles to focus on for summer. Once august/September rolls around I'll get back to the lift kit. I have everything finished and already picked up the 2" wheel spacers. Just need to bolt it all on, get the tires mounted and aligned.

[Maritime]

Nice. The wheels I have are chrome alloys and are 1300 new the tires are at 40% and worth 600 new. Im asking 500. But they are a -1 size for crv/rav4/Rogue etc and folks dont get you can put a 16" wheel on a car that came with 17" and get better tire life. Perfect wheels for winter setup

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[Tskm2]

Are you able to measure the inside diameter of bottom rear spring to try too find a proper lift spacer? And the diameter size of the rubber top plate. I check to sens draw of everything to a machine shop to made something similar to kanook lift sx4

[Maritime]

Sorry Tskm2 I haven't had the parts out to measure. I was close to affording the tires to complete my lift but now the exhaust has shit the bed and I will need to repair or replace the cat flange to manifold as it has rotted to the point it is leaking and getting too loud to drive the car, and since it's a daily commuter I need to sort it and the $$ will go to it instead of my tires. I ended up giving my wheels and tires to a friend of my wifes. She came to visit and her tires were so bald I wouldn't let her leave without me swapping them.

[06YarisRS]

Sorry Tskm2 I haven't had the parts out to measure. I was close to affording the tires to complete my lift but now the exhaust has shit the bed and I will need to repair or replace the cat flange to manifold as it has rotted to the point it is leaking and getting too loud to drive the car, and since it's a daily commuter I need to sort it and the $$ will go to it instead of my tires. I ended up giving my wheels and tires to a friend of my wifes. She came to visit and her tires were so bald I wouldn't let her leave without me swapping them.

Do you have a manifold? I have one if you want to come and get it. It was the one that replaced the rotted one on my '06 when I initially bought it. It might not be worth the drive if you can find one locally however.

[Maritime]

Do you have a manifold? I have one if you want to come and get it. It was the one that replaced the rotted one on my '06 when I initially bought it. It might not be worth the drive if you can find one locally however.

Thanks for the offer. I found a manifold on ebay for $50 US if I need it. I think the manifold is actually ok. it's the cat flange that is shot. Napa makes a 2 piece bolt on replacement I think I can use to fix it and change the gasket after some internet sloothing and thinking. Saves the work and cost to pull the whole midpipe and weld a new flange on. I shoved a bunch of 2 part high heat JB weld around the current gasket and my wife said it was quiet all the way from Woodstock to Fred 140 KM so that buys me the time to figure out the fix I can do the cheapest.

[Maritime]

car has over 360K KM's on it now so don't like blowing a lot of dough on it

[06YarisRS]

Thanks for the offer. I found a manifold on ebay for $50 US if I need it. I think the manifold is actually ok. it's the cat flange that is shot. Napa makes a 2 piece bolt on replacement I think I can use to fix it and change the gasket after some internet sloothing and thinking. Saves the work and cost to pull the whole midpipe and weld a new flange on. I shoved a bunch of 2 part high heat JB weld around the current gasket and my wife said it was quiet all the way from Woodstock to Fred 140 KM so that buys me the time to figure out the fix I can do the cheapest.

Ah, gotcha. If you need a manifold down the road, you're welcome to mine, free of charge, of course.

[Maritime]

So I got a better look and it's actually my manifold that is rotten, depending on the angle my brain was flipping the flanges. I ordered a new one off ebay, basically the megan, it was blow out sale of 50 USD, but when it arrived it isn't tapped for the O2 sensor. SO I got a buddy who can weld a bung on for that. Next took some pics of the bolt and nut situation and they are crusty. Manifold came with a fresh gasket and NAPA in Houlton had the doughnut and bunge in stock. I'll need to grab new bolts for all the attachments at the engine and at the cat but so far I'm in for less than $100 CAD. So going to drill the whole and prep the header for the O2 bung, give it to my buddy to be ready by Friday. Every day this week when I get home I will pop the hood and PB blast the shit out of all the nuts and bolts. Friday I'll start removing old and replacing the header. Trying to decide if I should order a new O2 sensor, the one in the car has 368K km on it and I may have trouble removing it. I just don't want to spend the 160 or so US on one. That rust is what 11 Candian winters causes.

[Tskm2]

Update to the lift?

[Maritime]

it's still lifted but on the standard size tires. I haven't had $$ to splurge on the AT's yet when the summer tires are still good. When they are worn and I need tires I'll get the AT's until then I'm rollin on the general Altimax and they wear like iron. I am about to do a bunch of reg maintenance to it this weekend though like parking brake adjust etc.