2020 Yaris Hatchback for the US

[justanotherdrunk]

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a26062013/toyota-yaris-hatchback-mazda-2-confirmed-2020/


i prefer this

https://www.thetorquereport.com/toyota/2020-toyota-yaris-hatchback-might-be-a-rebadged-mazda2/



:wink:

[Leegamer]

https://qotoqot.com/sad-animations/img/200/holding_back_tears/holding_back_tears.png

[Dodge Aries K]

That's disgusting.

[matti]

Gross!

As an aside, how is the predicted reliability of the new Toyota Yaris (Mazda) sedans? Would we expect the 2020 Yaris (Mazda) hatch to have same reliability as a true Toyota Yaris hatch?

Also, what is the most reliable hatch in the U.S. right now? Honda Fit?

[ern-diz]

Yeah, reliability figures go out the window at that point. I really don't like these partnerships.

[myfirstyota]

Find a Mazda 3 that's over 4 years old with out rust. There's your quality.

[Leegamer]

Find a Mazda 3 that's over 4 years old with out rust. There's your quality.
My daughter wants a 2nd gen (09-13) mazda 3 for her first car and I'm thinking it would be a good first car. Do you have experience with them?

Rust isn't really much of an issue where I live.

[myfirstyota]

Most Mazda 3s here in Canada are pretty rusted. However I once worked with a guy who hadn't changed his oil in like 140000km. So maybe they are decently built?

[Leegamer]

Most Mazda 3s here in Canada are pretty rusted. However I once worked with a guy who hadn't changed his oil in like 140000km. So maybe they are decently built?

WTF?

[suprf1y]

Most Mazda 3s here in Canada are pretty rusted. However I once worked with a guy who hadn't changed his oil in like 140000km. So maybe they are decently built?

The newer 3's don't rust like the older ones. I think they fixed that, but in my experience modern Mazda's do have a rust problem, but they are otherwise reliable cars.

[DarkShadowFox]

off to bring a trailer with my 25k millage yaris, not even gonna like stick with toyota anymore.

[atomic_hoji]

https://qotoqot.com/sad-animations/img/200/holding_back_tears/holding_back_tears.png

^ this accurately summarizes it.
-- Adam

[DarkShadowFox]

Toyota 4 days ago: Were axing the toyota liftback and selling just a rebadged mazda.

debates with mechanic friend on Istagram ends up saying toyota will buy the AWD turbo mazda 2 hatch or something buying the rights to it.

Toyota: HEY GUYES were gonna make the new yaris liftback a mazda and not bring a GR version or a GRMN veison hahahheueheufhehueueu

Me: *explodes*

Hi toyota, can you please hire me or something instead to import something original instead of doing something cruddy

[tmontague]

None of this is really surprising, it has been a long time coming since there have been no yaris updates with the engine or trans. Their sales are not really great, the hottest part about them is their sales in the used market. They manage to fetch a higher dollar than most Corolla's around here.

I wont buy a Mazda built yaris however. If I want a yaris I'll go with a tried and true Toyota built one. I like Mazda and how they seem to strike a good balance between performance and fuel economy . Their engines are reliable and they look ok. The reason I have never bought one is due to what other have stated above. They rust like no other car I've seen. 4 years in and the thing is rotting out of its frame. I've heard it for the last 10 years that "they've fixed the rust issues" yet Mazdas keep rolling around here filled with rust after 5 years.

[Kaotic Lazagna]

When did Mazda stop calling it the Demio?

https://pictures.topspeed.com/IMG/crop/201811/2018-mazda2-mazda-de-17_1600x0w.jpg

[myfirstyota]

I'm sorry but it looks like a clown shoe... and not the fast BMW kind.

[tmontague]

what engine will be in it?

[Leegamer]

what engine will be in it?

1st gen skyactive, It think. Maybe one day the skyactive x? That could be interesting.

[tmontague]

As robust as the 1nz was/is, I am a fan of the Mazda engines. Time will tell if the new ones are as reliable, but the older ones certainly were. This will mean more fun power and almost as good fuel efficiency.

Too bad Toyota doesn't make the frame and everything else

[ern-diz]

It also won't have that Demio front end on it. Adding insult to injury, it will have the sad state of affairs front end that they slapped on the "Yaris" sedan.

[Leegamer]

It also won't have that Demio front end on it. Adding insult to injury, it will have the sad state of affairs front end that they slapped on the "Yaris" sedan.

lol @ "sad state of affairs front end"

[toad]

I actually like the kodo-styling and think the hatch has much better proportions than the sedan. I really don't care that it's made by Mazda - I generally find Mazdas very attractive(my 323 was great!) - or made in Mexico - our current Yarii are made in France - it's just the hideous front-end!

However, you can get one like Kaotic posted still in Puerto Rico. Being part of the United States they have to meet all US regulations(even CARB) and getting it registered here is not a problem. The only hiccup is GETTING it here. It costs a little over $800 to put it on a ship to Jacksonville, FL and then you just drive it home! Throw in a nice trip to Puerto Rico and it sounds alright! For me, it would be worth the $800 just for the front-end(if I was in the market for another small hatch). Maybe it's not THAT easy, but who knows...

Here's an article about it:

https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2017/05/mazda-keeps-certifying-mazda-2-carb/

[ern-diz]

lol @ "sad state of affairs front end"

:biggrin:

I actually like the kodo-styling and think the hatch has much better proportions than the sedan. I really don't care that it's made by Mazda - I generally find Mazdas very attractive(my 323 was great!) - or made in Mexico - our current Yarii are made in France - it's just the hideous front-end!

However, you can get one like Kaotic posted still in Puerto Rico. Being part of the United States they have to meet all US regulations(even CARB) and getting it registered here is not a problem. The only hiccup is GETTING it here. It costs a little over $800 to put it on a ship to Jacksonville, FL and then you just drive it home! Throw in a nice trip to Puerto Rico and it sounds alright! For me, it would be worth the $800 just for the front-end(if I was in the market for another small hatch). Maybe it's not THAT easy, but who knows...

Here's an article about it:

https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2017/05/mazda-keeps-certifying-mazda-2-carb/

Interesting.

[toad]

Here's a little more info specifically about the Mazda2 and importing from Puerto Rico:

https://jalopnik.com/here-is-how-you-an-american-can-legally-own-a-mazda-2-1827293464

[Leegamer]

Dang, 17-20 grand for the 2 hatch in puerto rico...no thanks

[IllusionX]

Find a Mazda 3 that's over 4 years old with out rust. There's your quality.Wow our mazda5 2012 is well, 7 years old now, 110000km and has no rust. Nothing that comes out of the cracks or corners. All doors are perfect. Nothing in the hood hinges.

Same for both Mazda 3 2010 we've had for 6 years 120k and 150k km. Nothing apparent for a 6 years old car that never been rust proofed and not taken care of by the drivers.

We also had a 2011 mazda2. The car has been dead reliable, and rust free for the 6 years we've had it. This one we only got rid of because something hit the AC condenser and wasn't worth fixing considering it wasn't being driven enough.

None of them had been rust proofed.

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[suprf1y]

Be patient :laugh:

https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-news/mazda-recalls-22-million-cars-over-rust-risk-45587

https://www.consumerreports.org/car-recalls-defects/48000-mazda6-sedans-recalled-over-rust-problem/

[IllusionX]

Be patient [emoji23]



https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-news/mazda-recalls-22-million-cars-over-rust-risk-45587



https://www.consumerreports.org/car-recalls-defects/48000-mazda6-sedans-recalled-over-rust-problem/You obviously don't care about my experience with Mazda cars since 2010. Lol

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[yougojay]

Sure makes the 2013 Yaris 'L' Coupe I have look vintage! It's been a great car these past almost 6 years, wow, hard to believe...

[DarkShadowFox]

mazda trans, mazda body, 1nzfe

[myfirstyota]

You obviously don't care about my experience with Mazda cars since 2010. Lol

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Hey, that's awesome. I don't want to hear that anyone's car is rusting out on them. I'm just speaking from experience. Here in the golden horse shoe, the municipalities are salt crazy. Many townships outsice the cities will use a salt and sand mix on their roads. I can say from experience (driving plows for these municipalities) Toronto, York region, peel region and Durham region and most likely the greater Hamilton region use solely salt and salt brine... in mass quantities. Winter roads in York region are white.. and not from snow. They have a zero tolerance policy for snow and ice.

Possibility your Mazdas aren't seeing the concentrations of salt that say tmontague, wee yari, and myself See?

Just saying there's a ton of rusty Mazda here in the greater Toronto area.

Also some food for thought.... my car has had bad scratches for years. Metal exposed and everything. In 2 years I haven't noticed the corrosion getting much worse, if at all really. I don't rustproof either. Maybe Toyota just uses better Metal? Surely better than the metal on my ram. I never have too bad of a time with stuck bolts on my yaris. Wish I could say that for the dodge.

[Leegamer]

http://japanesenostalgiccar.com/happy-99th-birthday-mazda/

99 years later they're building toyotas, lol

[myfirstyota]

Yea they started off making wine corks lol

[WeeYari]

Possibility your Mazdas aren't seeing the concentrations of salt that say tmontague, wee yari, and myself See?



Just saying there's a ton of rusty Mazda here in the greater Toronto area.

Pay closer attention to model years. Since 2010, Mazda has vastly improved their rust resilience. Pre 2010, Mazda3s and 6s were turning to Swiss cheese by the age of 5. Worst modern day vehicles ever for premature corrosion. Much better now.


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[myfirstyota]

Pay closer attention to model years. Since 2010, Mazda has vastly improved their rust resilience. Pre 2010, Mazda3s and 6s were turning to Swiss cheese by the age of 5. Worst modern day vehicles ever for premature corrosion. Much better now.


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Cool. I'm not much into Mazdas so I will honestly say I don't pay much attention to model years

[2008RedHatch]

A counter argument is on no brand specific car message boards, many say "Finally, Toyota is bringing out a new Yaris hatch".

With car sales down, car companies have to share these days.

[Leegamer]

If some say "don't change", then we'd be in 1981 Toyota Starlets or '91 Tercels.


That doesn't sound too bad to me, lol.

[DarkShadowFox]

A counter argument is on no brand specific car message boards, many say "Finally, Toyota is bringing out a new Yaris hatch".

With car sales down, car companies have to share these days.

If some say "don't change", then we'd be in 1981 Toyota Starlets or '91 Tercels.

and they still wont give us a GRMN.

Lets make it just for europe.

:help:

[myfirstyota]

and they still wont give us a GRMN.

Lets make it just for europe.

:help:

I think it's smart of Toyota to not bring the grmn to north America. Someone said it would be priced around the 60k mark. I think we can all agree that's a ludacris price for a yaris. If it had 300hp, maybe. But it doesn't.

[suprf1y]

A counter argument is on no brand specific car message boards, many say "Finally, Toyota is bringing out a new Yaris hatch".

With car sales down, car companies have to share these days.

If some say "don't change", then we'd be in 1981 Toyota Starlets or '91 Tercels.

The only thing I've read on a non brand specific site regarding the new Yaris was to ask if Toyota is actually building anything for themselves these days. On the same forum the Supra was generally regarded as a failure in waiting.

Regardless, car sales are at record highs and they have been climbing steadily. Car and platform sharing is rampant not out of necessity, but as a cost cutting effort to make more money.

I would be pretty happy with a 81 Starlet right about now. That's why I'm driving an 05 Echo. It's the hatch that everybody built in the 80's that are all but gone now.

[2008RedHatch]

The current Yaris sedan and 2020 hatch are on the Mazda DJ platform, first used in 2014 for the JDM Mazda Demio [aka 2]. It's no longer related to the Fiesta, Mazda and Ford split up.

It's derived from the CX5. Also, nothing to do with the 2004 era Mazda 3's that rusted. Vehicles from DJ are built in Japan, Mexico [Yaris] and Thailand.

Canada is also planned to get the new Yaris liftback.

[2008RedHatch]

"... Find a Mazda 3 that's over 4 years old with out rust."

2015 is 4 years ago, not 2004. Plenty of 2015 Mazdas looking clean around here.

"Dang, 17-20 grand for the 2 hatch in puerto rico"

Welcome to 2019.

[DarkShadowFox]

I think it's smart of Toyota to not bring the grmn to north America. Someone said it would be priced around the 60k mark. I think we can all agree that's a ludacris price for a yaris. If it had 300hp, maybe. But it doesn't.

maybe toyota will change there mind if i ever finish my got dang build :V

[IllusionX]

"... Find a Mazda 3 that's over 4 years old with out rust."

2015 is 4 years ago, not 2004. Plenty of 2015 Mazdas looking clean around here.

"Dang, 17-20 grand for the 2 hatch in puerto rico"

Welcome to 2019.I've got a 2012 without rust. Although my 2010 has started to rust some time ago, but that's also the same generation of a 2004 mazda3.

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[KALISPEL II]

I wonder if the 2020 Mazda2 hatchback (aka 2020 Yaris hatchback) will be the next-gen design release? The current-gen Mazda2 debuted in 2014, which will be 6 years old by 2020. It might be a smaller, fat, hunchback version of the new 2020 Mazda3 hunchback. :laugh: Then again, I doubt Mazda would release a new-gen Mazda3 & Mazda2 in the same year, so I bet they will push the Mazda2 redesign out for at least another refresh cycle.

[DarkShadowFox]

I wonder if the 2020 Mazda2 hatchback (aka 2020 Yaris hatchback) will be the next-gen design release? The current-gen Mazda2 debuted in 2014, which will be 6 years old by 2020. It might be a smaller, fat, hunchback version of the new 2020 Mazda3 hunchback. :laugh: Then again, I doubt Mazda would release a new-gen Mazda3 & Mazda2 in the same year, so I bet they will push the Mazda2 redesign out for at least another refresh cycle.


maybe toyota is trying to steal mazdas awd drivetrain to adapt it for the corolla hatch which is supposed get a 1.0L AWD turbo version.

[2008RedHatch]

Mazda is part owned by Toyota now, so there will be more collaboration

[DarkShadowFox]

just leaked:

[IllusionX]

just leaked:It says for Japan. 1.6L 250ps though...

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[DarkShadowFox]

It says for Japan. 1.6L 250ps though...

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yeah. but, it means that i can buy the new 3door when it comes out in the US and swap those body panels, so i can sell the yaris have now and get a bubble.

for japan just means, i have to pay more money to make it mine here.

[Leegamer]

Dang, that looks killer and 250 PS. I wonder if it's real

[DarkShadowFox]

Dang, that looks killer and 250 PS. I wonder if it's real

nobody has told me what model it is.

[DarkShadowFox]

https://mexico-now.com/index.php/article/5074-2020-toyota-yaris-hatchback-for-the-us-market-to-be-sourced-from-guanajuato-says-report


https://www.carscoops.com/2019/01/toyota-yaris-hatchback-coming-new-york-based-mazda2/

[DarkShadowFox]

any more news yet? NYC is coming up soon.

[KALISPEL II]

Shame that Mazda uses a GDI engine even in their Mazda2. Not interested in the carbon-sludge headache & maintenance associated with it to keep it running properly. I would rather stick to NA port-injected engines or port+direct injection combo engines. That really really limits new vehicle selection today, however - especially if you also don't want a CVT transmission but want an automatic. I'm thinking that I will probably look for a (no doubt rare) lower-mileage automatic 2018 Yaris SE hatchback in about 2 years if no one ever releases a decent-looking & reliable subcompact/compact hybrid in the U.S. market before then. I really hate the U.S. car/vehicle market. :mad:

[yarisbug]

I just bought a new 2019 Yaris hatch manual (Canada). Didn't want GDI injection, didn't want a Mazda. Fortunately you can still get the Toyota made hatch here, I suspect we'll get the Mazda hatch for 2020 although that's not confirmed yet.

[DarkShadowFox]

Shame that Mazda uses a GDI engine even in their Mazda2. Not interested in the carbon-sludge headache & maintenance associated with it to keep it running properly. I would rather stick to NA port-injected engines or port+direct injection combo engines. That really really limits new vehicle selection today, however - especially if you also don't want a CVT transmission but want an automatic. I'm thinking that I will probably look for a (no doubt rare) lower-mileage automatic 2018 Yaris SE hatchback in about 2 years if no one ever releases a decent-looking & reliable subcompact/compact hybrid in the U.S. market before then. I really hate the U.S. car/vehicle market. :mad:


i will sell you my yaris, for a premium if you want a car that badly.

[2008RedHatch]

Oh "boo hoo", for the whiners.

Those claiming that "Mazda will bring Toyota down", check out how well regarded the Yaris iA is by Comsumer Rpoerts. Sure enthusiasts can say "I don't care", but CR is looked to by most paying customers, who are mainly looking for reliability. No, they are not "rusting", nor "bringing Toyota down".

Link: https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/toyota/yaris-ia/2018/overview

"The badge may say Toyota, but this car is built by Mazda and uses Mazda parts. That's a good thing. Related to the Mazda CX-3, it brings frugality, but not at the expense of ride comfort and driving enjoyment like past Toyota econoboxes. With the Yaris iA, Toyota has done away with the bare-bones economy car, delivering something fresh and fun... "

And one more thing, the 2019 Yaris, which is only the Mazda based sedan, was rated "Best Subcompact Car for 2019".
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2019/02/21/consumer-reports-best-cars-2019-subaru-toyota-dominate-top-picks/2936504002/

So, get over it, IMHO. :-)

[DarkShadowFox]

Oh "boo hoo", for the whiners.

Those claiming that "Mazda will bring Toyota down", check out how well regarded the Yaris iA is by Comsumer Rpoerts. Sure enthusiasts can say "I don't care", but CR is looked to by most paying customers, who are mainly looking for reliability. No, they are not "rusting", nor "bringing Toyota down".

Link: https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/toyota/yaris-ia/2018/overview

"The badge may say Toyota, but this car is built by Mazda and uses Mazda parts. That's a good thing. Related to the Mazda CX-3, it brings frugality, but not at the expense of ride comfort and driving enjoyment like past Toyota econoboxes. With the Yaris iA, Toyota has done away with the bare-bones economy car, delivering something fresh and fun... "

And one more thing, the 2019 Yaris, which is only the Mazda based sedan, was rated "Best Subcompact Car for 2019".
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2019/02/21/consumer-reports-best-cars-2019-subaru-toyota-dominate-top-picks/2936504002/

So, get over it, IMHO. :-)

no mods for the yaris sedan, drove one and its shifts like crap, cause the dealer let me do a shake down, like a real one and its just all flash and trying to be premium, like a hipster with maxed out credit cards wearing gucchi premium. its ride is soft and it doesnt soak up lumps right.

the little knobby crap thing was annoying and the non touch screen had horrible sunlight vision and no adjustability. sportmode was a joke and its visibility is crud.

i just want a 3door like the one i teased in the leaks even if its a watered down version so i can get an 2200 pound hatchback and upgrade from my one now, plus with GRMN support supposidly it would mean i wouldnt have to stick to my old clunker and could probabyl get leather and heated seats and all that jazz, cuz that bubble body is wooooo wee pretty, maybe, if its the 2008 version updated for toyotas useage then hell yeah its nice.

[tmontague]

Oh "boo hoo", for the whiners.

Those claiming that "Mazda will bring Toyota down", check out how well regarded the Yaris iA is by Comsumer Rpoerts. Sure enthusiasts can say "I don't care", but CR is looked to by most paying customers, who are mainly looking for reliability. No, they are not "rusting", nor "bringing Toyota down".

Link: https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/toyota/yaris-ia/2018/overview

"The badge may say Toyota, but this car is built by Mazda and uses Mazda parts. That's a good thing. Related to the Mazda CX-3, it brings frugality, but not at the expense of ride comfort and driving enjoyment like past Toyota econoboxes. With the Yaris iA, Toyota has done away with the bare-bones economy car, delivering something fresh and fun... "

And one more thing, the 2019 Yaris, which is only the Mazda based sedan, was rated "Best Subcompact Car for 2019".
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2019/02/21/consumer-reports-best-cars-2019-subaru-toyota-dominate-top-picks/2936504002/

So, get over it, IMHO. :-)

The car isn't nearly old enough to determine its reliability based off of CR. I agree Mazda isn't a bad brand from a reliability standpoint (sans rust) but to claim it's been shown to be reliable on a car that has only been out a small amount of years is silly. Remind of the Chevy commercials shoving virtually meaningless JD Power porn in our faces

[KALISPEL II]

Consumer Reports, lol. Are you kidding me? They are as pretentious, biased & bought as the so-called professional movie critics who fawned over garbage movies like The Black Panther, etc. Also, they believe that all the tech-bloat sensor 'safety features' that are only useful for self-driving cars & cars being driven by distracted idiots is what makes or breaks a 'good car'. It's laughable. Have fun with those flawed GDI engines, turbos & crappy push-belt CVTs that they love so much because they are 'more modern' & get 2 more MPG (at least until they prematurely break or get sludged up). :laugh:

If you want a good feel for how a car really is, go read the forums of various models & how owners convey their first-hand experiences with them after owning them for a while. The iA forums are a real mixed bag, with a big thread dedicated to transmission problems & failure within the first several years, and other various build quality-problem threads. Sounds like when you buy one, it is a potluck special on whether you get a decent one or a bad one. Same with the Honda HR-V.

[DarkShadowFox]

Consumer Reports, lol. Are you kidding me? They are as pretentious, biased & bought as the so-called professional movie critics who fawned over garbage movies like The Black Panther, etc. Also, they believe that all the tech-bloat sensor 'safety features' that are only useful for self-driving cars & cars being driven by distracted idiots is what makes or breaks a 'good car'. It's laughable. Have fun with those flawed GDI engines, turbos & crappy push-belt CVTs that they love so much because they are 'more modern' & get 2 more MPG (at least until they prematurely break or get sludged up). :laugh:

If you want a good feel for how a car really is, go read the forums of various models & how owners convey their first-hand experiences with them after owning them for a while. The iA forums are a real mixed bag, with a big thread dedicated to transmission problems & failure within the first several years, and other various build quality-problem threads. Sounds like when you buy one, it is a potluck special on whether you get a decent one or a bad one. Same with the Honda HR-V.

more failure and more trans problems = more money

[Dodge Aries K]

The technicians I was chatting with at the local Toyota dealer were telling me how much they hate the iA and that they have a lot of trans and electrical issues.

[DarkShadowFox]

The technicians I was chatting with at the local Toyota dealer were telling me how much they hate the iA and that they have a lot of trans and electrical issues.

its a pretty crummy car, i test drove a 2016 when i was buying my 2015 yaris and its really all flash and stuff. the dealer wanted 18 grand for it, got it, floored it and it went like stink. its a good car for an older person or a teenage driver like a girl or something but outside of that, it doesnt have the same potential as the liftbacks do. smaller cramped engine bay, uncofortable seats, soft wiggly ride, ass that bounces all over the place.

[IllusionX]

its a pretty crummy car, i test drove a 2016 when i was buying my 2015 yaris and its really all flash and stuff. the dealer wanted 18 grand for it, got it, floored it and it went like stink. its a good car for an older person or a teenage driver like a girl or something but outside of that, it doesnt have the same potential as the liftbacks do. smaller cramped engine bay, uncofortable seats, soft wiggly ride, ass that bounces all over the place.Haters. Lol

Have had a 2011 M2 hatch for 6 years. Was a great reliable car, plenty power to get it moving. Auto transmission wasn't great, so was the Yaris 4AT.

I can't wait to see how a new M2/Yaris HB with 6MT performs. I know the GDI engine is kind of a let down...

I'm eyeing a 2020 Corolla HB base 6MT ;)

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[DarkShadowFox]

Haters. Lol

Have had a 2011 M2 hatch for 6 years. Was a great reliable car, plenty power to get it moving. Auto transmission wasn't great, so was the Yaris 4AT.

I can't wait to see how a new M2/Yaris HB with 6MT performs. I know the GDI engine is kind of a let down...

I'm eyeing a 2020 Corolla HB base 6MT ;)

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ew 4 doors, i will never own a 4 door anything,

[WeeYari]

ew 4 doors, i will never own a 4 door anything,You obviously will never have kids.

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[DarkShadowFox]

You obviously will never have kids.

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no it its because i had a 4 door and it was useless and people would bother me for rides. literally became a trash pile.


its why a bus has 50 seats and a performance car has 2, its lonley at the top :P

[DarkShadowFox]

You obviously will never have kids.

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also, 3 doors are better performance vehicles, two less doors means a stiffer chassis. everyone just wants 4 doors because we live in america and everyones busy and has a family.

also the new corolla hatch is ugly, like fat whale blob ugly.

[myfirstyota]

also, 3 doors are better performance vehicles, two less doors means a stiffer chassis. everyone just wants 4 doors because we live in america and everyones busy and has a family.

also the new corolla hatch is ugly, like fat whale blob ugly.

Also to the insurance companies, 4 door means you're responsible. 2 door means you have a death wish.... judging by their premiums on 2 door economy cars

[WeeYari]

everyone just wants 4 doors because we live in america
Seriously!
If your above "leaked" photo is to be realized, then that iteration marks the first ever Vitz 3 door. The 3 door Echo and Yaris we have are in fact a North American phenomenon. Count the doors made available to the rest of the world. It is not 3. 4 doors is global, not "American".

As for the insurance statement, that is so untrue. An insurance company cannot make a willy nilly decision to surcharge a 2 door variant of a 4 door.


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[KALISPEL II]

Personally, I don't really care if a car is a 4-door or 2-door because I don't have any kids or passengers, nor don't I plan to - so my rear seat is nothing more than cargo area for groceries during the hot summer A/C months (& 4 doors is easier to access it) I do think that the side profile on the 4-door Yaris hatch looks better than that of the 2-door hatch though, so I'm glad the SE came as a 4 door. I also don't tend to drive like I'm being chased by the police, so I don't think the chassis strength between the two versions is significant enough to worry about in my case. :tongue:

[myfirstyota]

As for the insurance statement, that is so untrue. An insurance company cannot make a willy nilly decision to surcharge a 2 door variant of a 4 door.


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So you're saying a 2 door Honda civic is the same on insurance as a 4 door? I don't believe. Lol

Makes me wanna find a 2008 4 door, get the vin and call the ins. To find out

[WeeYari]

So you're saying a 2 door Honda civic is the same on insurance as a 4 door? I don't believe. Lol

Makes me wanna find a 2008 4 door, get the vin and call the ins. To find outNot what I'm saying. If it is more then it is because the historical accident frequency and repair costs have proven to be higher than a 4 door. Your statement implied the belief that premiums are higher just because of the number of doors.

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[myfirstyota]

Well .... I'm semi inserting my foot in my mouth. A quick google of the subject KINDA shows you may be right weeyari. Rates are based on safety, driver record etc. But IF 2 door cars are typically involved in more accidents, you may pay more. But it appears premiums aren't just higher cause there's 2 doors.

[WeeYari]

I spent most of my professional life in the IT department of a major Canadian insurer. Worked extensively in the data analytics and programs involved in managing rating. I hear a lot of misconceptions which are mostly fueled by the hate and mistrust directed toward insurers. It is after all, the greatest cash outlay in our lives which, if you are lucky, will never give you anything in return.

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[myfirstyota]

Yea I'm one of them. Can't stand the bastards. Jack your rates for no reason, then when you call to cancel they can magically offer you a rate lower than what you were paying. Every 2 years i have to switch companies for the lowest rate. No sense in paying more than you have to when you know the only time they pay out without a fight is if you were rear ended sitting at a red light. I have no trust, faith, or good things to say about insurance companies. Government sponsored fraud.

[DarkShadowFox]

Seriously!
If your above "leaked" photo is to be realized, then that iteration marks the first ever Vitz 3 door. The 3 door Echo and Yaris we have are in fact a North American phenomenon. Count the doors made available to the rest of the world. It is not 3. 4 doors is global, not "American".

As for the insurance statement, that is so untrue. An insurance company cannot make a willy nilly decision to surcharge a 2 door variant of a 4 door.


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4 door anything is more popular in american 3 door modern yarises did not sell because there is no market for them, everyone it isnt the 90s and early 2000s anymore, people uber and whatnot making 4doors very popular, nobody races anymore and barely anyone buys the yaris 2018 sold 1,000 something.

if 3 doors were popular toyota wise then they would sell, using old models and old figures is just clutching at your pearls.

[Hamster]

Also, four doors are great for non-human passengers. Great for transporting pets, which is why I have the four-door.

[IllusionX]

Not what I'm saying. If it is more then it is because the historical accident frequency and repair costs have proven to be higher than a 4 door. Your statement implied the belief that premiums are higher just because of the number of doors.

Sent from my EML-L09 using TapatalkWhile you are right about this, I did pay more for my 05 Echo 3 doors than I would have on a 05 Echo RS 5 doors. I was told by the agent the 2 doors was categorized as sports, so it'd cost more.. and it was my first new car at the time.

Honestly, I should have bought a Celica or something back in the days.

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[DarkShadowFox]

Also, four doors are great for non-human passengers. Great for transporting pets, which is why I have the four-door.

i dont have pets friends or kids lmao :bellyroll:

[jessica_ashford]

When did Mazda stop calling it the Demio?

https://pictures.topspeed.com/IMG/crop/201811/2018-mazda2-mazda-de-17_1600x0w.jpg

Good question :w00t:

[stykerdk]

In Europe the next Mazda 2 will be a rebadged Yaris.