Yaris MPG falls to 31 (auto) 32 (man) under new guidelines

[deebrown]

This site shows what the new MPG numbers are for cars (they changed the way they did the tests to reflect higher speeds, air conditioning etc...)

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/calculatorSelectEngine.jsp?year=2007&make=Toyota&model=Yaris

[deebrown]

haha, kinda funny, the same site lists the honda fit under the category "small station wagon" rather than sub-compact

[BailOut]

The new EPA estimates are sadly based on how people are actually driving, rather than how they should be driving.

We've become a country of very shameful, wasteful, selfish, aggressive motorists. :cry:

[churp]

Does anyone know if these new estimates are what the government is basing the new milage demands on the manufacturers for the future? Cause they're going to have to shape up if so.

[Motorhead6T5]

The imports have been cheating for years by only accelerating 3mph per sec,when the domestics have been tested at accelerating at 5mph per sec during the test. It should only effect imports.

[Motorhead6T5]

Wow I just read the link and checked out some domestics and they change too. I don't get it ford is still advertising 25mpg on the mustang GT and that site says 20mpg. I could see some people suing over it lol.

Edit: ah I see,separate issue...

"EPA has changed the way it estimates MPG.

Starting in model year 2008, estimates will reflect the effects of

Faster Speeds & Acceleration
Air Conditioner Use
Colder Outside Temperatures"

[Moose]

The new EPA estimates are sadly based on how people are actually driving, rather than how they should be driving.

We've become a country of very shameful, wasteful, selfish, aggressive motorists. :cry:

So, we should have been driving at a simulated 55 mph on a dyno with no wind or road resistance and no air conditioning?

Maybe if the government started pumping up their tires to 578545 PSI and pushed their cars out of the driveway it would be more accurate?

Wasteful, selfish and aggressive are relative terms, sir.

[Thotprawsis]

We've become a country of very shameful, wasteful, selfish, aggressive motorists. :cry:


You may want to check out the Drifting culture! We are not alone. "Perspective!"

[hystria]

I wonder how to add our mileage to the referred site ?

[vodkalush]

all I know is new guidelines or not I drive like I'm late to everything (fast accell, short braking, high speeds) and i still on average get 35mpg and if I dont accell like an ass I get 40mpg and this is with a full trunk all the time and randomly sized passengers

[nsmitchell]

The new EPA estimates are sadly based on how people are actually driving, rather than how they should be driving.

We've become a country of very shameful, wasteful, selfish, aggressive motorists. :cry:

We've become a country of very shameful, wasteful, selfish, aggressive people in general.

[lostmind]

Wouldn't it be shameless?

[deebrown]

the numbers do seem a little low, I think consumer reports calculated an average of about 34mgp, which seems close to what I get (between 37-38)...I wonder if they are assuming 4 passengers in the car?

[kurokoma-kun]

"...shameful, wasteful, selfish, aggressive people..."

Not to mention quicker to judge others, harsher in censuring them, and slower to forgive. More critical, less compassionate. Why, even some of our friends in this forum are guilty of this... :wink:

[SailDesign]

The new numbers are all F'd up. My old VW Fox, which regularly got 35-36 mpg on the highway loaded with a kid and a year's college stuff, is listed at 32 highway. And I definitely used a heavy foot coz it only had 81hp compared to the Yaris' 100-ish..

[Rizzo]

So here's a newbie question. Since so many of you seem to be in the US, are you talking about US mpg, or imperial mpg?

[Black Yaris]

US mpg

[Vanderkitten]

"...shameful, wasteful, selfish, aggressive people..."

Not to mention quicker to judge others, harsher in censuring them, and slower to forgive. More critical, less compassionate. Why, even some of our friends in this forum are guilty of this... :wink:

Yes, we call them Republicans!! :bellyroll: Oh, no, did I just start a war? Oh, wait, that's the Republican's job!

Ahhh... I digress...

[Vanderkitten]

Anyhow... who really cares about the new numbers? The mileage on the window sticker is not accurate. They come up with those numbers by driving the car on... a DYNOMOMETER!! They don't even DRIVE the car to get the MPG, that's why they had to change the numbers.

It would be interesting to see how the full-size SUV's faired... I'm going to look real quick... Suburban lost 1 MPG... so now you see who funded the change. "Those little cars don't get the mileage they claimed! IT was all a lie! They're unsafe, and they blow-up when you look at them funny from your SUV!" :eek:

The other thing that's funny is the fact the gas gauges in all modern cars are heavily skewed to make the first half of the tank more efficient than the last half. The idea is that you THINK you're getting better mileage because you've gone 200 miles on half a tank, then all the sudden you're empty at 300? "I must have been driving harder the last half of the tank." No, the first half of the tank was 6.3 gallons, the last "half" is 3.7.

:thumbdown:

[ceres]

all I know is new guidelines or not I drive like I'm late to everything (fast accell, short braking, high speeds) and i still on average get 35mpg and if I dont accell like an ass I get 40mpg and this is with a full trunk all the time and randomly sized passengers

Aye, I generally get 35 mpg and I drive like I have a lead foot. Plus I've got an automatic and almost always have the A/C or heat on.

[static808]

Aye, I generally get 35 mpg and I drive like I have a lead foot. Plus I've got an automatic and almost always have the A/C or heat on.

+1

the new numbers dont mean shit. they've been overestimating for years (faulty test procedures), and now they're making up for it by underestimating. guess the EPA figures it'll work itself out through the law of averages. dumbasses...

--B

[adamschneider]

Plus I've got an automatic and almost always have the A/C or heat on.
Sorry to nitpick, but running the heater doesn't affect your engine (or your MPG) in the slightest -- unless it's with the defogger.

[slvryaris]

Well we have Scangauges and different thing to tell them that they are full of bologna...

[Violin]

The new numbers are pretty accurate for my last couple of cars, the Yaris included.

I guess I drive like a typical asshole.

[ceres]

Sorry to nitpick, but running the heater doesn't affect your engine (or your MPG) in the slightest -- unless it's with the defogger.

The defogger is a must with the heat on. Otherwise I can't see through the windshield.

[ptbruizer]

sheesh! everybody is getting in the mid 30's and i am getting barely 30 but that is driving almost all city and no highway

[fnkngrv]

I have 12k on my Yaris now after 1 year and my MPG is at 36.7 which is mixed driving. If I go on a long haul to the airport for business (200 miles away) I consistantly get around 41.3.

[ceres]

The other thing that's funny is the fact the gas gauges in all modern cars are heavily skewed to make the first half of the tank more efficient than the last half. The idea is that you THINK you're getting better mileage because you've gone 200 miles on half a tank, then all the sudden you're empty at 300? "I must have been driving harder the last half of the tank." No, the first half of the tank was 6.3 gallons, the last "half" is 3.7.

:thumbdown:

I also have noticed this with the two cars I owned but the Yaris isn't that bad. My Ford liked to stick at full, 3/4, half, & quarter tank for several days and then it'd plummit till it hit whatever the next mark was.
Yesterday, I was able to put in 8.6g of gas after being at 2 bars for a day (about 25 miles driven). So I had another 2.5 gallons to go before being empty. I was just barely under 300 miles since the last fill.
And I generally drive a mix through it'd be like 70% city/30% highway.

[seriousfun]

...
We've become a country of very shameful, wasteful, selfish, aggressive motorists. :cry:

To say the least...

I drive 60 miles/day in Los Angeles, and I think you are putting it mildly (and I used to live in Boston :eek: ).

With my Scanguage and some practice, I am averaging 36 MPG, and I think I will be happy if I can keep it this way.

[slvryaris]

Same here I drive 60 miles a day 5-7 days a week and average at the least 36 mpg, but I also do alot of running around in town and stuff so its mixed.

[kurokoma-kun]

The other thing that's funny is the fact the gas gauges in all modern cars are heavily skewed to make the first half of the tank more efficient than the last half.

Are you kidding? This is on purpose? :eek: I did not notice it on previous car, but it's very obvious on Yaris.