C-One Front Sway Bar

[Jerkratt]

will this fit the US 3dr Liftback?? if so im on it

http://www.bulletproofautomotive.com/catalog-detail.php?ID=5231

[Jerkratt]

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[Nigal]

Is there a huge difference between this one and the Tanabe struts that are only $98?

[Jerkratt]

two different parts.... thats a strut bar this is a front sway bar... i know TRD makes a rear sway i got that one i was wondering about this one

[Biggie™]

Why would you want a big ol' front sway bar on a Yaris? Is your car over steering? If so, just take off your TRD rear bar...

[ChinoCharles]

Biggie... shhhhh. You're gonna blow his mind! :bellyroll:

[Jerkratt]

all i wanna know was if it would fit the US 3 door.

[Astroman]

Biggie claims to be some sort of expert, but can't seem to answer anyone's questions.:rolleyes:

[ChinoCharles]

Bulletproof Automotive would be the contact to find out if that sway bar fits the USDM liftback. AFAIK there are no major differences between the suspensions on the JDM and USDM cars, so I don't see why it wouldn't fit, but don't go spending the $450 on that bar without knowing for sure.

Biggie was just referring to the fact that the part probably won't provide any bit of handling advantage and is a total waste of money. He would be correct, but I also understand TRD lovin'. Go for it.

[cali yaris]

mike at bulletproof says it fits the 3-door.

As far as I know it's the only front sway for the Yaris so far.

[bearda]

Is there a fat enough rear sway out there already that induces enough oversteer to need a front bar?

[Biggie™]

Is there a fat enough rear sway out there already that induces enough oversteer to need a front bar?
I'm sure the rear bar off a Ford F350 duelly would do the trick. :wink:

[njyaris]

it fits bro ... get yours .. and let us know the results

[WRBlue]

I'm sure the rear bar off a Ford F350 duelly would do the trick. :wink:

I'd highly doubt it. It'd never fit.

Theres alot of math that goes into sway bar design before you can compare sizes between vehicles.

[Astroman]

Maybe some people here are actually looking for straight answers... Just a thought :respekt:

[brickhardmeat]

It is my understanding all you really need is a good set of coilovers but there's nothing wrong with going a little overboard.

[Biggie™]

I'd highly doubt it. It'd never fit.

Theres alot of math that goes into sway bar design before you can compare sizes between vehicles.


It's called sarcasm. :iono:

[largeorangefont]

That is a ripoff.

[Shijima]

For someone like me who knows nothing about sway bars, or how they affect understeer ect.. it is nice to have real answers.

[Astroman]

For someone like me who knows nothing about sway bars, or how they affect understeer ect.. it is nice to have real answers.
+1 :respekt:

Etimago, could we please take care of these smart asses? A lot of people here are getting tired of this. This should not be part of these kinds of threads. It isn't helping anyone.

[bearda]

For someone like me who knows nothing about sway bars, or how they affect understeer ect.. it is nice to have real answers.

OK, sway bars 101 as I understand it (and PLEASE correct me if I'm wrong on this, I'm by no means an expert)

Sway bars are basically springs. Funny shaped springs, but springs all the same. By replacing your stock sway bars with thicker ones you increase the spring rate. This is good for reducing body roll, when you're turning at speed and the weight in the car shifts to one side. The thicker sway bar resists weight transfer, stays flatter, and you stay in the center of your seat.

There are downsides to really thick sway bars, though. The Yaris is a FWD car, and to make a long story short putting a really big bar in the back without balancing it out with a bigger bar in the front can induce oversteer. You try to take a corner and the rear end whips around. Put a big bar on the front without a balanced bar on the back, you induce understeer. You try to turn and the car keeps going straight.

I don't know anything about aftermarket suspension parts available for the Yaris. Generally you don't want to put a thick front sway bar on your car unless your having problems with oversteer. Most of the time that happens because you've put on a rear bar that's too large. As a result, most of the time front and rear bars come as a set.

The same isn't necessarily true of rear bars. For other FWD cars (I have no idea what the Yaris aftermarket is like) you'll see a lot of rear sway bars sold alone that are slightly thicker than stock. You can generally get away with stiffening up the rear sway a bit without inducing so much oversteer you need a front sway.

So, the front sway doesn't tend to be useful without a thick rear sway to go with it. If there isn't a really thick rear sway on the market yet all it'll do is induce a bunch of understeer and plant you firmly into the barrier when you take an offramp.

That help at all?

[brickhardmeat]

I think we could do without personal attacks with the exception of a little teasing and leg pulling but there is going to be indifference here. I don't think anyone has said anything that merits anything more than the line I'm dropping right now. This thread will probably be locked but everyones' opinion on the stuff remains.

Aren't we MEN here? I mean, shit. Forget about it.

[cali yaris]

One of my favorite, definite pages on understeer/oversteer. I take a copy of this to the track with me:

http://www.rogerkrausracing.com/TechSheets/overunder.shtml

[ compliments of Roger Kraus Racing ]

and here is Ingalls primer on Tuned Suspensions, which I found very useful with my car:

http://www.ingallseng.com/performance/primer.html

[ChinoCharles]

Go on Wikipedia and look up the following terms for a crash course in Yaris suspension...

Oversteer
Understeer
Torsion beam suspension
Sway bar
Strut bar

Past that, I could recommend a book or two, but for most the above reads will be more than sufficient. Just try and bear with the terminology. Once you read those and go drive your car hard again you'll understand why this part is meaningless for most of us.