Staggered???

[ya_RS]

from what i've been reading staggered is getting a different offsize/size rims for the rear/front

if so, would this be reccomemded for our yaris'?

in not please explaine what this is




thanx for the lesson ...

[brickhardmeat]

it would be for looks only

[kimona]

Well, the Japanese commonly stagger wheel widths, offsets, and/or tire widths to achieve the perfect fit.

And yes, this is routinely being done on the Yaris HB.

For example:

FR, 15x6.5, ET40, 205/55's; RR, 15x6.5, ET40, 225/50's.

FR, 16x7, ET42; and RR 16x7, ET35 with 195/50's or 205/50's all 'round.

FR, 17x7, ET42, 205/40/17; and RR 17x7, ET42, 215/40/17.

FR, 17x7, ET42; and RR 17x8, ET38 with 205/45/17's all 'round.

[Black Yaris]

Well, the Japanese commonly stagger wheel widths, offsets, and/or tire widths to achieve the perfect fit.

And yes, this is routinely being done on the Yaris HB.

For example:

FR, 15x6.5, ET40, 205/55's; RR, 15x6.5, ET40, 225/50's.

FR, 16x7, ET42; and RR 16x7, ET35 with 195/50's or 205/50's all 'round.

FR, 17x7, ET42, 205/40/17; and RR 17x7, ET42, 215/40/17.

FR, 17x7, ET42; and RR 17x8, ET38 with 205/45/17's all 'round.

that is actaully my next set up.... I an nixing my 205's in the rear for 215/40's

[njyaris]

staggard is always a better choice .. except it's more expensive in the long run .. hence you cant rotate your tires

[eijikikimaru]

Staggard look I understand on a Rearwheel drive but for a FF??? Is it because of the, what do you call them fenders(?), the rear stick out the side more the the front? Therefore by having wider rear is so that the rims are "flush" and not tucked?

Then again like Brick did mention "it would be for looks only" if I'm wrong all together.

[kimona]

staggard is always a better choice .. except it's more expensive in the long run .. hence you cant rotate your tires

I don't think staggered is necessarily a better choice, but it may improve the look on some cars.

And it isn't necessarily more expensive.

No, you won't be able to rotate tires, but that just means you'll replace the fronts at 25K miles, for example, and the rears at 35K miles, rather than all 4 at 30,000.

[voodoo22]

Staggered tires on a front wheel drive car would mean wider tires in the front than the back.

If you put wider tires in the back on a fwd car, it's only going to improve the looks.

From what I understand you want the wider tires where the power is applied to improve straight line acceleration. I've read that many people who track their cars do not like a staggered set up as it affects handling.

I wouldn't waste my money on staggered, keep all four tires the same and non-directional so you can rotate front to back and left to right, then you'll have even wear and can replace all four tires at once.

Replacing front and back tires at different times is never a good idea. Ideally you want to always replace all your tires at the same time to keep traction the same.

I also do not think our cars have nearly enough power to benefit noticeably from staggered or unidirectional tires. If you get some good bidirectional tires you'll be pleased with performance.

The best tires I ever bought were performance all season pirelli supersports. They weren't really performance tires, but more performance than all seasons and they could totally handle all weather conditions in the summer. They were recommended to me by an auto crosser when I was looking at pure summer tires and that was some of the best advice I ever took.

[kimona]

Staggering on the Yaris, whether it's offsets, wheels widths, or tire sizes is purely for looks... PERIOD!

So, will performance suffer if you stagger on the Yaris? Let's be realistic... what performance? Most of us are not modding the Yaris for the track; we just want a great looking car with the "perfect" wheel/tire set-up.

Yes, it will prohibit tire rotation, but if you're trying to achieve the "right" look, then who the hell cares about rotating inexpensive street tires anyway.

True, rotating tires will provide for more even wear all 'round, and the opportunity to buy 4 new tires at one time. Big deal!

As long as you're not one of those pepole who run tires almost bald before replacing them, then changing two tires at a time when they're no more than about 70% worn won't make any significant difference in traction.

If you're worried about performance issues, and you must rotate for peace of mind, then find a good offset that will work all 'round and look good.

And, if you want a little better look, but still have to rotate, then use a quality hubentric spacer in the rear.

[reznunt]

people will clown on you and call you a weirdo and point their finger at you for trying to make a ff car look like a fr car. or at least i will :biggrin:

actually, they may just think you're ignorant about the fact your car is ff. but to each his own.

[churp]

people will clown on you and call you a weirdo and point their finger at you for trying to make a ff car look like a fr car. or at least i will :biggrin:

actually, they may just think you're ignorant about the fact your car is ff. but to each his own.

Sorta like....putting alloys on, putting wide whitewalls on, reupholstering/painting interior, etc., etc. Changing the car for looks is mainly what a lot of the forum is about. We do drive the Egg car, right!!!!

Do what trips your trigger, and enjpy!:thumbup:

[kimona]

Just do what makes you happy when you stand back and look at your little Yaris... something many of us really take pleasure in.

Most on this forum just want a cool looking car. Except for some minor mods (a shift knob, a shorty antenna, a sticker or emblem, and maybe foglights), wheels and tires will be the only major change we make to our beloved cars. And, we're not talking about running some radical set-ups that would compromise safety and handling here. Generally, we're just talking about some pretty meek staggering (eg. 17x7's, ET42, FR 205/40, RR 215/40). Noone's even going to notice the staggering we're talking about here; they'll only see that the car looks great and the wheels fit especially well... perfect!

Anyway, if running 16x7's, ET45 up front and ET38 in the rear make the car look better but somehow make us ignorant to a few, so be it.

BTW, if you're looking to race your Yaris on weekends, you're not going to run your street set-up anyway; you'll pop on your
15's for that before you hit the track.

[ya_RS]

Oh i dont plan on doing it.... i just wanted to learn the actual terminology and if its do-able on our cars...

thanx for all the input though,

my car is for pure function and fun.... something i can take long driving and enjoy.... but look nice

[reznunt]

Sorta like....putting alloys on, putting wide whitewalls on, reupholstering/painting interior, etc., etc. Changing the car for looks is mainly what a lot of the forum is about. We do drive the Egg car, right!!!!

Do what trips your trigger, and enjpy!:thumbup:

exactly, and changing the car to look like you don't know what you are doing is what i'm talking about.

[reznunt]

Generally, we're just talking about some pretty meek staggering (eg. 17x7's, ET42, FR 205/40, RR 215/40). Noone's even going to notice the staggering we're talking about here; they'll only see that the car looks great and the wheels fit especially well... perfect!

well this is COMPLETELY different. if you are doing a staggered setup to make everything look more flush (front compared to rear) and not for the staggered look. to run a staggered setup to get the staggered look is completely different and we must be comparing apples with oranges.

for example, will you be running a 1-piece where it is harder to tell it is staggered, or will you be running 2-piece or 3-piece wheels where the lip size will obviously tell you that it's a staggered setup? if it's the latter then yes, i as well as many other performance-minded people will give you a funny look :iono: . if you are talking about tires, then yes, i will be able to tell that they are wider in the back and i'll give you the same look. but i always revert to my main rule when it comes to this sort of thing... to each his own! :headbang:

[reznunt]

and another thing to consider... if you all really want a "cleaner look", instead of running a staggered setup, try spacers in the rear. since you aren't concerned with performance AND don't want the staggered look, this will allow you to rotate your tires as well as make it easier to sell your wheels and save you from trying to find someone to buy your staggered wheels.

[churp]

exactly, and changing the car to look like you don't know what you are doing is what i'm talking about.

Individuality is what I'm talking about....functionaly bone stock aint bad.

Sorry if off topic!!

[brickhardmeat]

and another thing to consider... if you all really want a "cleaner look", instead of running a staggered setup, try spacers in the rear. since you aren't concerned with performance AND don't want the staggered look, this will allow you to rotate your tires as well as make it easier to sell your wheels and save you from trying to find someone to buy your staggered wheels.


this makes sense^

I will say the more I look at the rear fenders the more it seems to flow naturally without spacers. I am going to hold off on doing this myself.

[brickhardmeat]

Individuality is what I'm talking about....functionaly bone stock aint bad.

Sorry if off topic!!

Looks great churp. I'm seeing some ed roth custom paint.:wink:

[reznunt]

Individuality is what I'm talking about....functionaly bone stock aint bad.

Sorry if off topic!!

lol wtf, my eyes! :eek:

[eTiMaGo]

on a similar note, doesn't Motegi wheels sell some sets of wheels that are meant to look staggered (i.e. the rear wheels have deeper lips, but are actually the same offset), I saw an ad for those in a magazine, sounds like an interesting concept!

[Black Yaris]

I like the comment above of the rear spacers, so that you can use the same wheels, and continue to rotate, and sell the wheels at a later time if you so wish

Hmm....
205/40R17 on the front with a +42
215/40R17 on the rear with a +42 and 10 mm spacer ?

any comments on the above setup?

[brickhardmeat]

I like the comment above of the rear spacers, so that you can use the same wheels, and continue to rotate, and sell the wheels at a later time if you so wish

Hmm....
205/40R17 on the front with a +42
215/40R17 on the rear with a +42 and 10 mm spacer ?

any comments on the above setup?

did you decide on what suspension you are going with yet, I am thinking +30 in the rear actually pokes a bit, your gonna be close with +32, but you may want some poke and in the rear you may still be ok with that fender, I am contemplating a spacer myself, but the more I look at the fender like it is it grows on me, I almost ordered the 5mm and decided it wouldn't do much anyway

[Black Yaris]

I am going to tuck tire on the rear :biggrin: so I may go with the 5 mm spacer with the 215/40 then on the rear

suspension TBA

[brickhardmeat]

I am going to tuck tire on the rear :biggrin: so I may go with the 5 mm spacer with the 215/40 then on the rear

suspension TBA

cool, I haven't really measured myself so you may be able to go more

[kimona]

This Vitz/Yaris is running 17x7's; FR ET42; RR ET35; 205/40/17's; Tein lowered.

[brickhardmeat]

wow I wouldn't want the rear pushed out any more than that! 5mm spacers it is. if I decide to push the rears out at all. Thanks for that picture that is a good shot. +30 would seriously poke and +25 would be throwing debris

[ya_RS]

Honda Civic SIR wheels 15x6 +45
with Yokohama A032R 205/50/15
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v63/blowass/ncp91/IMG_1807a.jpg


Work Emotion CR Kai 18x7.5 +42 front, +36 rear
with Falken FK-452 215/35/18
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v63/blowass/ncp91/IMG_2335.jpg

This was done very well (Kudo's to Jooky).... But is there a performance/functional downside to staggering??

[brickhardmeat]

would create some understeer however you will decrease some oversteer so it depends on what you like, to me it would be looks over functionality but this isn't extreme so you may not feel much difference at all


when I think really staggered I think of the rear wheels seriously poking from the car, this kind of staggering is just giving the car visual balance for the most part

off subject-I prefer the look of the car on 15's though myself

[ya_RS]

well im thinkin' 16 CE28's come in 16x7 in offsets +25, +33, +42, +48 and 4 x 100 bolt pattern


16x7 ET + 33 front and 16x7 ET +42 rear on a 1.25 inch drop

or

since its not to low just got with 16x7 ET +42 all around

i know Largeorangefront's running Konig Heliums 16x7 ET 40 they look nice and he's dropped a lot lower

[kimona]

well im thinkin' 16 CE28's come in 16x7 in offsets +25, +33, +42, +48 and 4 x 100 bolt pattern


16x7 ET + 33 front and 16x7 ET +42 rear on a 1.25 inch drop

or

since its not to low just got with 16x7 ET +42 all around

i know Largeorangefront's running Konig Heliums 16x7 ET 40 they look nice and he's dropped a lot lower

Looks like you've got a few options:

1. ET42 all 'round would be fine.

2. ET42's and 5-7mm hubcentric spacers in the rear.

3. FR, ET42; RR, ET33.

[ya_RS]

with my car not being as low...

205/50/16

or

205/50/195

cause i was thinkin 195 like Cali_yaris

ok, here you go, the new one, then the one that rubbed.
Seems like that bit of change in the sidewall did the trick:


195/50/16 Kumho ECSTA RSX:
http://www.sciontcx.com/images/Yaris/rims/0285-kumho.jpg

205/50/16 Falken 512
http://www.sciontcx.com/images/Yaris/rims/0280.jpg

[kimona]

with my car not being as low...

205/50/16

or

205/50/195

cause i was thinkin 195 like Cali_yaris

If I recall, cali yaris is running 16x7, ET38's all 'round with 195/50/16's.

Initially, he had a rubbing problem running 205/50's, but solved it by switching to the 195/50's. I'm guessing it wasn't a height issue, but a width issue that caused the rubbing. Check this out with him.

If you plan to run ET42's, you should be fine with 205's, provided you haven't really dumped your car.

[ya_RS]

here she is... not to low 30 MM which is 1.25 inches

http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=6615&stc=1&d=1184999268

http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=6616&stc=1&d=1184999268

[Black Yaris]

by the weekend I plan on having my yaris down about 3 inches or so on my 205/40R17s

[Biggie™]

But is there a performance/functional downside to staggering??
The rear wheels/tires of the Yaris are there to keep the ass end from dragging on the ground. The rear tires don't really need to be any wider than stock. Wider wheels/tires in the rear will cost you at the pump while slowing the car down. And I'd also be giving out those crusty looks to the homie thinking a nice 911 stagger looks good on a Yaris. My vote would be for proper offset and fitment for the front and rear while keeping the same size wheels and tire. The cheap way would be spacers, as has been stated previously, you would retain the ability to easily rotate the wheels/tires if utilizing a simple 5mm spacer. For those with bigger budgets, just get the staggered offsets wheels.

Now just an FYI... Performance wise, on a Yaris you would want to push the front wheels as far out as possible and have the widest tires and rims that will fit. You will want the rear track to be narrower than the front. This will help the car "rotate" when driving aggressively or on track.

[ya_RS]

Thanx... like i stated before... i dont plan on going staggered.... i just wanted to ask fo rthe sake of learning....


thanx to all those who responded


The rear wheels/tires of the Yaris are there to keep the ass end from dragging on the ground. The rear tires don't really need to be any wider than stock. Wider wheels/tires in the rear will cost you at the pump while slowing the car down. And I'd also be giving out those crusty looks to the homie thinking a nice 911 stagger looks good on a Yaris. My vote would be for proper offset and fitment for the front and rear while keeping the same size wheels and tire. The cheap way would be spacers, as has been stated previously, you would retain the ability to easily rotate the wheels/tires if utilizing a simple 5mm spacer. For those with bigger budgets, just get the staggered offsets wheels.

Now just an FYI... Performance wise, on a Yaris you would want to push the front wheels as far out as possible and have the widest tires and rims that will fit. You will want the rear track to be narrower than the front. This will help the car "rotate" when driving aggressively or on track.

[kimona]

The rear wheels/tires of the Yaris are there to keep the ass end from dragging on the ground. The rear tires don't really need to be any wider than stock. Wider wheels/tires in the rear will cost you at the pump while slowing the car down. And I'd also be giving out those crusty looks to the homie thinking a nice 911 stagger looks good on a Yaris. My vote would be for proper offset and fitment for the front and rear while keeping the same size wheels and tire. The cheap way would be spacers, as has been stated previously, you would retain the ability to easily rotate the wheels/tires if utilizing a simple 5mm spacer. For those with bigger budgets, just get the staggered offsets wheels.

Now just an FYI... Performance wise, on a Yaris you would want to push the front wheels as far out as possible and have the widest tires and rims that will fit. You will want the rear track to be narrower than the front. This will help the car "rotate" when driving aggressively or on track.

Some good points. But most here are just going for good looks, aren't even thinking about the track, and never drive aggressively enough to ever notice the difference made by some VERY minor differences between front and rear offsets, for example.

Japanese car buffs have been doing this kind of "staggering" on their street cars (rear wheel and front wheel drive) for years... purely for the right look.

Having lived in Japan (and Taiwan) for over 11 years, I thought I would introduce the concept to this forum. I called it "staggering", but maybe I used the wrong terminology in translation.

The staggering we have been discussing is not the typical staggering that's done on a BMW here, for instance. Maybe we should be calling it something other than staggering so people don't get the wrong idea and see it as something that only the "ignorant" would do to a Yaris.

[Biggie™]

"Staggered Offset" <--- :headbang:

[etheliters]

I like the deep lip in the rear. as for wierd looks? I'm jumping out of a yaris, it's all about the wierd looks. Or unique if I must. If anyone has some pics let me see em...