Liftback - Easiest Way to Get a Tach and Cruise Control...

[weeze-dog]

Just fill this out and let Toyota know how annoyed we are. They need our feedback, if we don't demand it, they won't give it to us.
Personally, I'm not going to buy a liftback until they give the 5-speed a factory tach, and the fact that every other country gets a tach just bugs the hell out of me. On a brand new car, you shouldn't have to speed a bunch of money on aftermarket options that should be available on EVERY new car in this country.
If we let them know what we want, it we may get it on the 2008 models.
Please take a few minutes to give toyota a little piece of your mind about the lack of a tach and cruise control in the liftbback. Thanks.

Your Opinion Counts, Let Toyota Know! (http://toyota.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/toyota.cfg/php/enduser/ask.php)

[TRD_Yaris]

Just fill this out and let Toyota know how annoyed we are. They need our feedback, if we don't demand it, they won't give it to us.
Personally, I'm not going to buy a liftback until they give the 5-speed a factory tach, and the fact that every other country gets a tach just bugs the hell out of me. On a brand new car, you shouldn't have to speed a bunch of money on aftermarket options that should be available on EVERY new car in this country.
If we let them know what we want, it we may get it on the 2008 models.
Please take a few minutes to give toyota a little piece of your mind about the lack of a tach and cruise control in the liftbback. Thanks.

Your Opinion Counts, Let Toyota Know! (http://toyota.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/toyota.cfg/php/enduser/ask.php)


Yeah, i wanna know what moron decided that every Toyota liftback should come without a Tachometer..but a mandatory "Convenience" package that includes nothing convenient to most consumers (steel wheels instead of steel wheels?? cheap CD/MP3 player, and a rear wiper i will NEVER use!?!?). "Convenience" woud be Cruise Control and the ability to monitor my engine speed!!!

[Chris07LB]

"Convenience" woud be Cruise Control and the ability to monitor my engine speed!!!

AMEN!!!! :thumbup:

[jedi1701]

I ageee with all of this but I also have to put in my 2 cents, well maybe 3,

I know I will get hell from this but , I don't find the lack of a tach or cruise control a bad thing , What made me buy this car in the first place is the back to basic type of setup. I owned alot of VW bugs from a 1960 to a 1973 and none of them ever had cruise or a tach as an option when they were new.

Don't get me wrong I am not ready to bring back 8 tracks or anything like that but I think we are alittle spoiled. Maybe we are just not ready to go back to the basics and maybe we never will be.

I am sorry but I really love this little car just the way it is.

[weeze-dog]

Well what bugs me is that the US is the only country in the world to not get a freakin tach in the cluster. Again we get the shaft when it comes to cars. We have hardly any choices when it comes to small, versitle cars, especially hatchbacks. Some of us american don't want giant SUV's or huge sedans. And when they do give us a good small car, they screw us on options.
Oh you want a 5-speed w/Power Package, thats only available on the 2nd Tuesday of the 3rd month of the year...and only in Idaho...

It's just annoying how you can get some things, and not other basic options like a TACH and cruise. But of course they come on the sedan model. Just make you want to say DEE DEE DEE.

[Thirty-Nine]

Well what bugs me is that the US is the only country in the world to not get a freakin tach in the cluster. Again we get the shaft when it comes to cars. We have hardly any choices when it comes to small, versitle cars, especially hatchbacks. Some of us american don't want giant SUV's or huge sedans. And when they do give us a good small car, they screw us on options.

Oh you want a 5-speed w/Power Package, thats only available on the 2nd Tuesday of the 3rd month of the year...and only in Idaho...

It's just annoying how you can get some things, and not other basic options like a TACH and cruise. But of course they come on the sedan model. Just make you want to say DEE DEE DEE.

x2! Hell, I could live without the cruise, but really — not tach? Crazy.

[suzu]

Again folks, don’t get me wrong here. I am all for a tach and cruise in the LB but remember that both of these are not necessary. and here is why. Toyota introduced Yaris LB in US as an entry level car. The definition of entry level in US is different from the rest of the world. With gas as close to 5 bucks a gallon in almost everywhere (we are getting there soon), small cars are used as family cars (family with 2 children) in rest of the world. In fact in Europe, driving small cars is considered a trendy thing. Now how many of you know families of 4 or 5 here in US who would drive a Yaris. and honestly who drives Yaris LB here, its mostly young people and a few environmentally conscious drivers like myself. Toyota does not see the Yaris LB drivers in US to drive long distances at one go and hence no need for a cruise. This is a car that is designed to drive primarily in the cities and for folks to save on gas and without making frequent trips to the repair shop. Hence the Yaris LB in US has all the basic features but not the add ons like in Europe or Japan or elsewhere. Remember Toyota does not offer a Yaris 5Dr LB because they are afraid that it might cannibalize their own XA market and rightly so.

[jedi1701]

Again folks, don’t get me wrong here. I am all for a tach and cruise in the LB but remember that both of these are not necessary. and here is why. Toyota introduced Yaris LB in US as an entry level car. The definition of entry level in US is different from the rest of the world. With gas as close to 5 bucks a gallon in almost everywhere (we are getting there soon), small cars are used as family cars (family with 2 children) in rest of the world. In fact in Europe, driving small cars is considered a trendy thing. Now how many of you know families of 4 or 5 here in US who would drive a Yaris. and honestly who drives Yaris LB here, its mostly young people and a few environmentally conscious drivers like myself. Toyota does not see the Yaris LB drivers in US to drive long distances at one go and hence no need for a cruise. This is a car that is designed to drive primarily in the cities and for folks to save on gas and without making frequent trips to the repair shop. Hence the Yaris LB in US has all the basic features but not the add ons like in Europe or Japan or elsewhere. Remember Toyota does not offer a Yaris 5Dr LB because they are afraid that it might cannibalize their own XA market and rightly so.


I think you hit it on the head, I bought my 2 door LB just as a fun to drive to and from work car. I have a wife and 2 kids (well grown kids) and when we all go out we take the family car (a jetta wagon ) I think Toyota is on track offering this car the way they do for the U.S. there are already so many loaded cars out there, why add another. Lets try to just accept the car the way they intended it to be for this market, a low priced starter car that really is built nice for a change.

[Thirty-Nine]

Although I understand your logic suzu, I still maintain the idea the car should come standard with a tach, or at least have it as an option. I'd gladly pay $200 for a tach option — no joke.

The Aveo offers one. The Accent offers one. The Fit has one.

There's no excuse to at least not have one as an option for those that desire it.

[weeze-dog]

I think the reason the reason there is no tach is that they wanted to hit a price under $11K so they could advertize the hell out of it. Almost every ad I've seen for the yaris has the $10,950 price point advertized. There's only so many ways to cut corners.
It's obvious they were determined to hit that price point since the base model doesn't even have a radio (BTW you can't even buy one without the convience package) Its all about marketing that low low price to the consumer to lure them in to the stealership.
It doesn't have anything to do with people not wanting a tach, it has everything to do with hitting that magical $10,xxx price. At least they could do is make it an option.

[ECHOKnight2000]

You have an interesting point weeze-dog, I've never thought of seeing it that way. I can feel your pain but as others have said majority of Americans aren't going to use this as a primary family hauler hatch or sedan, not to say they have too but obviously this car has a different positioning than other markets, its to start you off with a Toyota in hoping later on you would purchase a bigger car from them.
Personally I just rely on my scanguage to see rpm's, I do have an automactic and we can all argue why would you want a tach with an auto till we're blue in the face but its just more asthetics than anything (at least in my case). But as weeze-dog mentioned at the begining I'm sure if Toyota got a influx of customer requests for tach and maybe other stuff Toyota will get the point, maybe not in till the refreshed Yaris MY2010-estimate but hopefully sooner than later and another point is as gas prices raise obviously people will look for more effecient means of transportation and will expect more out of them and the mentality will somewhat change that we want premium compacts-oh well, we'll see!

[boxerboy]

I hardly ever use curise control. As for a tach I don't really need one on a car like the Yaris. I do remember when tachs were only on sports cars and high priced cars. I have driven my Yaris for 240 miles now and I like it more every mile. It is a well though out car. :w00t:

[weeze-dog]

Well to get the best gas mileage out of the car requires shifting at the right RPM (usually between 3 and 4 grand). There's really no way to do that consistantly without a tach. You can guesstimate it based on road speed (if you do the math before hand and know about what speeds are the optimum shift points). Shifting by engine sound is too subjective, depending on the loudness of the stereo or outside noise, I doubt the engine gets really noisy until 5K+, but since I haven't driven one, I can't say for sure. I've driven an echo before, but that was years ago. I don't believe the yaris has a shift light either???
An aftermarket tach in the A-pillar wouldn't be so bad if the guage cluster wasn't in the center of the dash. But with guages in the center, you would have to look back and forth from the A-pillar to the center guages.
The whole center cluster trend is BS, they try to tell you "studies have shown that it takes your eyes off the road for less amount of time." Nooo, studies have shown that its cheaper for you to put the guages in the center so you can use the same dash on left and right hand drive vehicles. I don't think anyone cares too much for the center-mounted guages showing up in newer vehicles. (Notice how its only the cheaper cars that have the center mounted guages?)
I would just like to see them use the Canadian cluster, a very simple split tach/speedo design.
I'm holding out to see what changes are in the 2008 model before I buy.I'm hoping they get enough complaints to add a tach and offer cruise as an option. I use cruise all the time, most of my driving is on the interstate, though generally for not more than 20-60min at a time.
I'll actually buy the canadian cluster if I have to, I can deal with the MPH in small print. I'd like the sedan cluster, but it has a different harness from what I've read.

[jedi1701]

I don't know about anyone else but I have owned alot of manuals in the past and driving this Yaris 5 speed without a tach is a piece of cake. You don't need a tach to get good gas mileage , you can feel when it's the right time to shift,you get use to when it's time to shift and you can use the spedo to tell , it's not rocket science.

I always short shift alittle (I don't like pushing the rev's up to much) and this car shifts like a dream. "Close your eye's and Use the force"

[Thirty-Nine]

It's not that I couldn't drive a Yaris without a tach, but for spirited driving, such as autocross, it's nice to have. Hell, it's nice to have in any situation, at least for me. I'd rather have it than not. I like to know my engine speed while driving. And as far as cost-cutting, I don't know how much it'd cut off. I would have gladly given up the cubby in front of the steering wheel or the sliding rear bench in place of a tach, but that's just me.

It's all a moot point anyway. I could complain till I'm blue in the face, but it isn't going to make a difference — at least not for 2007 models.

[boxerboy]

I don't know about anyone else but I have owned alot of manuals in the past and driving this Yaris 5 speed without a tach is a piece of cake. You don't need a tach to get good gas mileage , you can feel when it's the right time to shift,you get use to when it's time to shift and you can use the spedo to tell , it's not rocket science.

I always short shift alittle (I don't like pushing the rev's up to much) and this car shifts like a dream. "Close your eye's and Use the force"
I agree with you. I bought the Yaris because it gets good gas mileage. I don't have to drive it different to get it. I drive with the flow of traffic.

[pennystocks]

I have cruise and a tach :tongue:
Kinda glad i dont like hatch backs

[TRD_Yaris]

It's not that I couldn't drive a Yaris without a tach, but for spirited driving, such as autocross, it's nice to have. Hell, it's nice to have in any situation, at least for me. I'd rather have it than not. I like to know my engine speed while driving. And as far as cost-cutting, I don't know how much it'd cut off. I would have gladly given up the cubby in front of the steering wheel or the sliding rear bench in place of a tach, but that's just me.

It's all a moot point anyway. I could complain till I'm blue in the face, but it isn't going to make a difference — at least not for 2007 models.


Yes, autocrossing the yaris LB is in my immediate future as well :burnrubber:

is the USDM Liftback Yaris the only one without a tach in the cluster?? if so, then wouldn't it actually be MORE EXPENSIVE to make a special cluster WITHOUT the tach just for our LB's??! I think it should've been an option as well as cruise, but oh well.
Again, the "CONVENIENCE" package is a crock of sh1t! A MANDATORY OPTION so Toyota can justify a $10,950 starting price...tsk tsk..
I really want to know if they even produce a non-Rear wiper USDM liftback at the factory..because the hole for it is in the sheetmetal.. but, i digress...

[weeze-dog]

Actually they had to make a different cluster for the US because all the others are in kmh and not mph. However, if they were smart, they would have made the sedan and liftback use the same cluster and save on manufacturing costs.

[Thirty-Nine]

^^
Good point on the KMH/MPH; never thought of that.

And remember: the Yaris sedan in North America is a completely different model in Japan.

[weeze-dog]

What Toyota needs to do is take page from their Scion playbook and just eliminate some of their packages and just make all the yaris with power everything, rear wiper/defrost, split folding seat etc.. and make the only options stuff the dealer can easily do. It would save a ton of money not having to make all the different door panels and mechanical parts that they have to manufacturer for the different packages.
I had an 06 tC for a little under a year (sold it to get rid of the car payment and because it doesn't get very good MPG at all). They all come with power everything and cruise control. They are all cookie cutter cars, and they save a ton of money doing it that way. The only factory options with the tC was side airbags/no side airbags, and 5-speed or auto. Everything else is port or dealer installed.
But again I think they just want that ultra low base price to entice buyers.

[ECHOKnight2000]

What Toyota needs to do is take page from their Scion playbook and just eliminate some of their packages and just make all the yaris with power everything, rear wiper/defrost, split folding seat etc.. and make the only options stuff the dealer can easily do. It would save a ton of money not having to make all the different door panels and mechanical parts that they have to manufacturer for the different packages.
I had an 06 tC for a little under a year (sold it to get rid of the car payment and because it doesn't get very good MPG at all). They all come with power everything and cruise control. They are all cookie cutter cars, and they save a ton of money doing it that way. The only factory options with the tC was side airbags/no side airbags, and 5-speed or auto. Everything else is port or dealer installed.
But again I think they just want that ultra low base price to entice buyers.



Also Yaris was to complement Scion, not compete (according to Toyota), it does in a sense but both are selling well, which is good. If they did what you suggest then they would be Scion but under the Toyota badge-I'm guessing the price would be pretty much the same but under the Toyota badge, and of course Scion is a different division so that means they have a different philosophy of building cars there's more to it and I can go on but I won't! But good suggestion!:cool:

[weeze-dog]

actually, the liftback really should have been released under the scion brand here (with a corresponding name change).
The liftback and sedan are two totally different cars, developed by different teams, with two totally different personalities.
Toyota Marketing VP Jim Farley states "Yaris is for mainstream customers. Scion is more expressive."
The liftback is anything but "mainstream", it is much more like a scion brand car, much more "expressive" as they dub the scion brand than the blander Toyota, due mainly to its european design.
I think the liftback appeals to a much younger audience than the sedan, and with its unique interior design and low price, its definately targeted to the scion buyer than the average toyota buyer. Per toyota, the average age of a toyota buyer is 48 years old. This car is NOT targeted to a 48 year old.

[wlfpck]

theres a couple aftermarket companies that sells tachs. All you have to do is buy a housing if one is not included.

[TenTwelve]

So, the Sedan custer will not work in the hatch? I registered to find this out specifically since I'm looking at the hatch and I too am quite disappointed in the "no tach" cluster.

[weeze-dog]

apparantly not, a user was told that the connectors are different on the sedan cluster. Plus if you look at the sedan and liftback, the dash trim around the cluster does not appear to be the same shape in both models so the cluster may not even fit.

[fred812]

I liked that link it takes you right to toyota, It didnt look like a link so here it is again from weeze-dog http://toyota.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/toyota.cfg/php/enduser/ask.php I want my 2008 to have it all!
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[Don Mason]

Greetings,

Having a tach in my Hatchback would be nice, but I simply follow the owners manual recommendations.

Maximum speed in first gear is 30 MPH

Max in second gear is 59 MPH

Max in third gear is 84 MPH.

I seldom have to wind 'er up that much to get where I'm going.

Cheers!

[ChinoCharles]

I think it is total bullshit that this car comes with no tachometer also. Its 2006 people, man went to the moon and I thought owners and manufacturers had a fucking understanding that MANUAL CARS SHOULD DISPLAY THEIR CURRENT RPM! I don't understand it at all. I made a fuss about a tach when I first got the car, but I was told it was a part of the power package and liftbacks weren't coming with that. (I pretty much bitched up a storm about every feature in that package)

Would HONDA ever do this? HELL NO, that is why Toyota is still that step behind.

Having said that, you still wouldn't catch me alive, dead, or otherwise in a Fit!

[Pars]

I agree. Put the fucking tack in damit!:mad:

Up here in Canada, we're used to getting short changed when our dollar value was low. Now that that American dollar isn't doing that well, we're seeing the same thing down south. The company is penny pinching to get the profet margin above the line. Even so, if the car is manual, it needs a Tach. No execuse. period.

[TrancosRt]

I've been always driving manual without a tach, so I don't have much of problem. It would have been nice, but nothing I can do now since I have the car already, right?

[argylesocks]

I ageee with all of this but I also have to put in my 2 cents, well maybe 3,

I know I will get hell from this but , I don't find the lack of a tach or cruise control a bad thing , What made me buy this car in the first place is the back to basic type of setup. I owned alot of VW bugs from a 1960 to a 1973 and none of them ever had cruise or a tach as an option when they were new.

Don't get me wrong I am not ready to bring back 8 tracks or anything like that but I think we are alittle spoiled. Maybe we are just not ready to go back to the basics and maybe we never will be.

I am sorry but I really love this little car just the way it is.

agree 100%. this aint a race car. its an econo-car. really no need for a tach. if you driving it hard enough that you need to know where redline is, then you bought the wrong car.

[Billstein]

I asked when they were going to relese the Yaris D4 in the U.S.:smile:

[Pars]

If the Yaris can't handle being redlined, and the redline is just for show, why bother buying a Toyota? when I know the Honda engine is quite at home at high rpms and can still return the same fuel efficiency.

My last car was a 98 Civic. Bought it new for $14K CAD and it had a Tachometer. The car got redlined on a regular basis and would stay above 5000rpm to redline for extended period. Considering that the 98 Civic was able to handle 300,000km of extreme driving without any problems, I'd like to think that my 07 Yaris is just as capable.

I just don't understand how any Manual driver, who knows how to get the most out of an engine, can say that a Tachometer is not necessary. If the excuse is that engine can't handle it, I'm reluctant to believe that since I think Toyota's engine is just as good as Honda.

Also, a tachometer isn't just useful for aggressive driving, it can also be a saftey feature. In the sense that it promotes downshifting. In my case, if I percieve a difficult situation up ahead on the road, the first thing I'd do is downshift while maintaining the speed. That way, I'm already on tap for better braking or acceleration. Granted, you could still downshift without a tachometer, but how much? You realy need to be above 4000rpm for it to matter, so is that 2 or 3 gears down? If you don't know..then you probably don't have a tachometer, or you wouldn't even know what do with it if you had one.

How about fuel economy? The way to get good economy is to keep the rpms as low as possible (without straining the engine). So, how are you going to do that if you don't even know what rpm you're in? Or if you want to rev-match because you've been coasting in neutral, it's not going to be smooth unless you know your rpm.

I probably could write a book about the advantage of manual transmission over automatic, but without a tachometer, you might as well be driving the stupid automatic. :slice:

[argylesocks]

Also, a tachometer isn't just useful for aggressive driving, it can also be a saftey feature. In the sense that it promotes downshifting. In my case, if I percieve a difficult situation up ahead on the road, the first thing I'd do is downshift while maintaining the speed. That way, I'm already on tap for better braking or acceleration. Granted, you could still downshift without a tachometer, but how much? You realy need to be above 4000rpm for it to matter, so is that 2 or 3 gears down? If you don't know..then you probably don't have a tachometer, or you wouldn't even know what do with it if you had one.

How about fuel economy? The way to get good economy is to keep the rpms as low as possible (without straining the engine). So, how are you going to do that if you don't even know what rpm you're in? Or if you want to rev-match because you've been coasting in neutral, it's not going to be smooth unless you know your rpm.:


i have always had a tach...and i have NO PROBLEM knowing when to shift (up or down) in the Yaris. While i cant tell you the exact RPM of my engine at any given time, i certainly know approximately where it is, and when it would be better to shift. You dont need a tach to know you are winding out your engine...

would i rather have a tach? yeah sure. does it matter to me on THIS car? no, not really. im certainly not going to go all fast & furious, and put one on my A-pillar. :thumbup:

[Pars]

i have always had a tach...and i have NO PROBLEM knowing when to shift (up or down) in the Yaris. While i cant tell you the exact RPM of my engine at any given time, i certainly know approximately where it is, and when it would be better to shift. You dont need a tach to know you are winding out your engine...

would i rather have a tach? yeah sure. does it matter to me on THIS car? no, not really. im certainly not going to go all fast & furious, and put one on my A-pillar. :thumbup:

I've always had a tach and 60% of time (when I'm cruising and not paying attention to my driving) I don't use it. Even then, occationaly, I'll need the tach, cause when I tune back in to check on the engine, a quick look at the tach gives me all the info I need.

I suppose you might be a more attentive driver then myself, especially when I'm in la-la land, but when things starts to go on the boil, the tach is a very useful tool. And, the "this kind of car" comment has no basis, because the other kind of car (probably something design for the race track) would be too fast for the streets to require the use of a Tachometer.

[ex_MGB]

I'm an old Vdub owner as well. Driven manuals forever. I think its kinda retro cool that Toyota did not put a tach in nor a cruise control.

Truth be told, it's not hard to memorize your speed/gear/rpm relationship. With high rpm fuel cut-off you don't have to worry about blowing the engine.

Back in the day there was a thing called "tuned" exhaust. You knew your engine rpm by the sound of the exhaust. That's when drivers enjoyed the sound and subtle mechanical feedback of their car and a lot of cars didn't have radios.

As for cruise control, a Yaris is not exactly what I'd take on a 700 mile run on an interstate.

[dbaxter]

Hate to say folks but they are not going to change this. Its worth a shot but they are not going to put one in, well not unless you pay for it.

Toyota and all makers for some dumb reason do this for manual. Funnier that they put tachs on autos.

I had a 1990 toyota tercel that was a manual without a tach. my poor wife had to learn how to drive a manual without a tach, personally its the best way. You learn how to change gears by ear.

[Pars]

Honda used to have their low end model tack-less :wink: But for the last 2 generations of Civic, they've included Tachometer in all their Civics.

Personally, If my 5dr Yaris didn't have a Tachometer, I would now be driving the Honda Fit. Back in 98, I was set on buyinh a Civic DX Coupe, but when I learned that Coupe version didn't have a Tacometer, while the Hatchback version did, I ended up buying the hatchback. (which was an added bonus since the Hatch ended up being much nicer then the coupe).:rolleyes:

[DonnyRebel]

What the hell are you people thinking???? If you wanted a performance car, you wasted your money big time! Do you actually think most potential buyers care if it has a tachometer or not?

The Yaris is an econo-car.

!!!GET OVER IT!!!!

[H2XcapePod]

What the hell are you people thinking???? If you wanted a performance car, you wasted your money big time! Do you actually think most potential buyers care if it has a tachometer or not?

The Yaris is an econo-car.

!!!GET OVER IT!!!!
I agree whole heartedly! On a side note, my feelings...F the world, environmentally speaking of course. I didn't buy it to be friendly to the planet, the planet should let the weather men look competent at least sometime, they seem like nice enough guys. I'm 24 and I'm just really at odds with the world, I saw 1 yaris lb about 4 months ago and said WTF, it was just so different, like it didn't belong here at this day in age...When I totalled my strat I new I would get a new car. I didn't justwant new, I wanted uber-new, not scene in my zipcode yet new,let me debadge it and keep you guessing new...and hey I can save some money at the pump too...To get back to the point, I just gave my girlfreind her first lessons on a manual today, low and behold without a tach:eyebulge: . I'm sure if her 10minute experienced ass could manage, you bastards that have been driving manuals for years would wouldn't have a problem. We are spoiled, such a great job overall and you people cry like a bunch of 2 year olds. The point of a manual is to put you in control, to become more intimately associated, to become one if you will with the machine. For pete's sake fuck a tach keep your eyes on the road and feel it, enjoy its peppy tossability:burnrubber: ...no slicks, rollcage, or helmut came with any "convenience package", and that 10 sec timeslip you have...1/8th mi undoubtedly...
Incase I'm kicked off or flamed, great DIY's Chris and you guys are funny as hell
Peace!:drinking:

[paultyler_82]

Well what bugs me is that the US is the only country in the world to not get a freakin tach in the cluster. Again we get the shaft when it comes to cars. We have hardly any choices when it comes to small, versitle cars, especially hatchbacks. Some of us american don't want giant SUV's or huge sedans. And when they do give us a good small car, they screw us on options.

I have to agree and disagree with you on this one, I think we were definately shafted on the option packages, however, carwise, we definately weren't shafted, we, in the US only get the 1.5L 1NZ-FE... an optional engine in nearly the rest of the world, not even availiable in some markets. And really, the only other engine/trans options I could see myself wanting would be the 2NZ-FE with AWD... not sure I'd want to take the dive to a 1.3L though... but the CVT would be nice, unfortunately, it's unavailable for the 1NZ-FE.

Oh you want a 5-speed w/Power Package, thats only available on the 2nd Tuesday of the 3rd month of the year...and only in Idaho...

Toyota's distribution sucks... that's just the way it is... we haven't even SEEN any power package equipped units here.... not even on the automatics

I think the reason the reason there is no tach is that they wanted to hit a price under $11K so they could advertize the hell out of it. Almost every ad I've seen for the yaris has the $10,950 price point advertized. There's only so many ways to cut corners.

You'd think importing the cluster and attaching a MPH/kph face to it would have been more cost effective for them though. But Toyota has their motives, however questionable...

What it all boils down to is that Toyota USA brought the Yaris over as a family econocar and they wanted to make sure it couldn't compete with the Scion brand (namely the aging xA) in any way, shape, or fashon, so they sought to obscure it's sporty nature in any way they could. I think Toyota's kind of seeing that this little car is becoming more popular than they figured, and it's nature as a young, sporty kind of car is being realized, but I think our only real hope of the Yaris being treated seriously is the demise of (sorry to any owners out there) the xA and it's eventual pull from the US Market.

[Pars]

you people cry like a bunch of 2 year olds. The point of a manual is to put you in control, to become more intimately associated, to become one if you will with the machine. For pete's sake fuck a tach keep your eyes on the road and feel it, enjoy its peppy tossability:burnrubber: ...no slicks, rollcage, or helmut came with any "convenience package", and that 10 sec timeslip you have...1/8th mi undoubtedly...
Peace!:drinking:

:laughabove:

Point taken :drinking: .

It's just some of the rest of us are a little tehnical with our driving and like to push things to the max. Plus it can help when you're in a sticky situation and need to hold on to the gear as long as possible or trying to squeeze ahead of someone who's trying to box you out. But you're right, when I'm cruising and taking in the sights while enjoying the Zen feeling of my car being connected to the road, reading the tach is not part of that equation. :respekt:

[argylesocks]

Plus it can help when you're in a sticky situation and need to hold on to the gear as long as possible or trying to squeeze ahead of someone who's trying to box you out.


yeah. that happens to me alot.

[H2XcapePod]

All I konw is that at 65 on the highway I can drop it to 3rd and hold till at least 85 to "debox" myself from anything I've come across thus far. At the end of the day hell yea I woulda liked a tach to know all the details,...its just the ones talking about not gettin the car or impending armageddon because it doen't come with a tach that gets me!

[tiksman]

Ok, I did sent a email to Toyota. We would not need a cruise if the gas pedal was a little longer/wider.
Also on the tach thing. I was driving a 98 Neon R/T before the Yaris and it was all riced out. The exhaust was sooo damm loud. I did not need a tach because I could hear the engine.Also it had a cable driven clutch you could feel.
My Yaris is so quiet and that is the way I want keep it that way. But it is too quiet. I can't hear the engine. The clutch is power assist and hard to let out if you are not used to it. I drove about 4 miles in 4th gear about 70 mph because I was not paying attention to the sound of the car and was shocked it was in 4th. If i had a tach I would have known also a tach just lets you know what is going on and I would like to have one.

Just my 2 cents.

[nsmitchell]

Somewhat off topic...

I had a Honda Civic VX Hatchback. It had a tach, and it would do 111 MPH in 3rd gear (that was in the owners manual)! That was supposed to be an economy car as well, but it was so fun to floor! I once raced my boss in his new Mazda Mellinuim in a light to light. He was pissed when I beat him!:biggrin: I also had a Civic HX CVT, and this guy at work said he looked at those, but bought the Altima because it was faster. Raced him one day, and we were neck and neck 'til about 45MPH, then the CVT started spanking him. He looked over in utter disbelief and I was LMAO! I also had 3 big guys in my Civic compared to him and one other guy in the Altima. The HX had a tach too, but in a CVT the tach stops moving right at either the torque or HP max, and the CVT does all the work! Very cool tranny!

[paultyler_82]

My Yaris is so quiet and that is the way I want keep it that way. But it is too quiet.

Really? I can hear my engine quite well.


Somewhat off topic...

I had a Honda Civic VX Hatchback. It had a tach, and it would do 111 MPH in 3rd gear (that was in the owners manual)! That was supposed to be an economy car as well, but it was so fun to floor! I once raced my boss in his new Mazda Mellinuim in a light to light. He was pissed when I beat him!:biggrin: I also had a Civic HX CVT, and this guy at work said he looked at those, but bought the Altima because it was faster. Raced him one day, and we were neck and neck 'til about 45MPH, then the CVT started spanking him. He looked over in utter disbelief and I was LMAO! I also had 3 big guys in my Civic compared to him and one other guy in the Altima. The HX had a tach too, but in a CVT the tach stops moving right at either the torque or HP max, and the CVT does all the work! Very cool tranny!

And this is why I want the Nissan Versa SL CVT.

Lucky it wasn't a Altima 3.5... you would have gotten spanked in that case, the VQ V6's are mean, my I30's got a 3.0 and I can stomp V6 mustangs all day... in a luxury sedan.

[tiksman]

Really? I can hear my engine quite well.

Remember I came out of a Neon and a Truck both had LOUD exhaust.

I still can only hear the engine at higher speeds. Maybe it's just me.

[ToyVitz]

I can see both sides to the story, but if you offer stuff like TRD exhaust, wheels, shift knobs, sport suspension, lowering springs, and a cold air intake... why wouldn't you offer something as simple as a tachometer to complement some of the "performance" options? Let's face it if you're adding these options you probably want a tach to monitor your engine revs. At least offer the US a kit like the Vitz has where you can mount the 3 gauge pods where the drivers glove box is.
:bonk:

My 2 cents!

[Pars]

All I konw is that at 65 on the highway I can drop it to 3rd and hold till at least 85 to "debox" myself from anything I've come across thus far. At the end of the day hell yea I woulda liked a tach to know all the details,...its just the ones talking about not gettin the car or impending armageddon because it doen't come with a tach that gets me!

For me, having a tachometer isn't for simple decoration or something cool to have around. I need it, I use it, If you're stomach can handle being in the car with me when I'm in rush mode, you'd understand. In fact, when I do bother to look at the dash, 75% of the time it's to chech on the Tach (thankfully, the tachometer is located closest to the line of sight on the dash).

Weather I can driver without a tachometer is not an issue. I'll challenge anyone hear to driver the car more smoothly then myself without a tachometer. In fact, give me ear-plugs and I'll still execute perfect shifts (up or down) while speeding around. But when I'm going at 100%, those are the times when the tachometer becomes a necessity. If your driving habbit is to quietly stay under the radar while heading for point B, In that case, a tachometer wouldn't be a priority, but nice to have.

[H2XcapePod]

If your driving habbit is to quietly stay under the radar while heading for point B, In that case, a tachometer wouldn't be a priority, but nice to have.

90+ mph across 3 states isn't exactly under the radar but to each his own:evil: . I feel where you're coming from though. I was sitting at a light one day with my window down and I couldn't hear the pod idling. All I'm saying is that short of auto-X and track nights, if you "need" a tach, you "need" an automatic.

[argylesocks]

For me, having a tachometer isn't for simple decoration or something cool to have around. I need it, I use it, If you're stomach can handle being in the car with me when I'm in rush mode, you'd understand. In fact, when I do bother to look at the dash, 75% of the time it's to chech on the Tach (thankfully, the tachometer is located closest to the line of sight on the dash).

Weather I can driver without a tachometer is not an issue. I'll challenge anyone hear to driver the car more smoothly then myself without a tachometer. In fact, give me ear-plugs and I'll still execute perfect shifts (up or down) while speeding around. But when I'm going at 100%, those are the times when the tachometer becomes a necessity. If your driving habbit is to quietly stay under the radar while heading for point B, In that case, a tachometer wouldn't be a priority, but nice to have.

:bow: :bow:

[Goose]

Has anybody checked into getting a display imported from another market such as France or Venezuela? I remember seeing pictures submitted here that had a really cool LED display with a tach. I assume that the display could be changed from metric to english units at the touch of a button.

Any thoughts about this idea? Has this already been discussed? I've gotta think that these displays have similar if not identical plug configurations to what we have over here. Maybe a sending unit may have to be installed at the engine. I dunno... just thinking out loud. :smile:

Picture of what I'm referring to:

[ECHOKnight2000]

^^^^This is just an educated guess but since those are digital and N/A is analog I don't think a simple swap will do. I believe the wiring is different, I remember a thread awhile ago about this, I think even the Canadian spec with tac won't work for a swap with the U.S. because of the different set up as far as wiring, but don't quote me on that. Yes they are the same size and what not its just the internal configurations. Maybe someone else can confirm this:thumbsup:

[Reddington]

http://www.scangauge.com/products/sg2photos/index.shtml

Check this one out. Its an LED display that connects to the OBDII jack and mounts directly into the dash. It can display RPMs, current MPG, etc. The best part that I like about it is that it allows you to see the computer diagnostic codes when there is a problem. All for $169

[nsmitchell]

Really? I can hear my engine quite well.




And this is why I want the Nissan Versa SL CVT.

Lucky it wasn't a Altima 3.5... you would have gotten spanked in that case, the VQ V6's are mean, my I30's got a 3.0 and I can stomp V6 mustangs all day... in a luxury sedan.

I just did a little research, the V6 Altima was not an option in 1998. So it was two 4cyls going at it. His was a 5spd. Felt good though. He never mentioned a thing about our race ever again.:biggrin:

[gonzo452001]

leaving out the tach saved them a few dollars and they raised the price of the LB another 100.00 its now 11,050 .

[paultyler_82]

kinda reminds me of my old 90 cavalier.... manual everything, no tach, but it even beat the Yaris on non-included options... it didn't have a passenger side outer rear-view mirror! Seriously, that was an OPTION at the time!

[SmellyTofu]

If you can't drive a manual without a tacho, then you have serious problems.

The digital dash is overrated. You can have mine if you could take it because I don't think I've ever actually looked at it whilst driving in everyday city driving. The only time I've actually needed it was on a racetrack which accounted for so far <0.005% of the distance I've covered in total this year. Even so, the digital dash is useless except the speedometer part. The tachometer in it increases every 250rpm increments anyway but I think it goes down as the engine speed increases. I don't know what it is exactly. It's really really overrated. If you want one, buy a TRD one that mounts on the front console lid.

[Billstein]

I asked when they were going to relese the Yaris D4 in the U.S.:smile:

There responce; No time in the near future.
I need to import from canada I guess.
I wonder if the Yaris D4 is in canada?
Anybody Know? :iono:
Thanks