small update on turbo project...

[joey1320]

so some of you guys know i have been trying to put a turbo kit together for the hatch. i was finally able to install the intercooler and map put the piping.

i had to put it all back to stock(besides the intercooler) since i still gotta get the flange welded to the manifold, and the downpipe finished, and the maf adapter from chino and blah blah blah...

hopefully it will be ready in 2 weeks give or take...
heres some pics of the project.:thumbsup:

Removed Cowl
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid225/p5560e743630920d97fe3054fb1ea73b5/e855c16a.jpg


Removed Wiper motor Cowl
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid225/pf1561499152f76dfaf2060d4bcbd281d/e855bc36.jpg


Stock Header, gotta goooooo...
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid225/pc4e02140767b378f805f0e6eeec6443a/e855bb0d.jpg



Parts we gotta testfit/cut/weld...
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid225/p431219a0337f8a3ebe0d694b3da5eb2d/e855c14a.jpg


Intercooler Mounted, Crash bar was cutopen for airflow, will have to do same to front bumper.:redface:
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid225/p426cb4ad617083f499b7b4511ef6513e/e855b898.jpg


Manifold installed for turbo testfit.
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid225/pefb32aecf85dea2f8134aba022d8430a/e855b579.jpg


Sorry guys/gals i should had taken more pics of the intercooler piping being routed, better pics of the manifold and a lot of other things but it was hard to stop and take pics while trying to get everything done.

will take more pics when the final job is done in a couple of weeks :thumbup:

[punch]

nice how big is the intercooler? could've probably got away with a smaller one, this beast looks like it will cause some turbo lag...

[cali yaris]

+1

[Polish0017]

How many pounds of boost are you planning on running?

[Sabretooth]

I am just wondering, what is the total bill right now?

I mean its none of my business, but I was wondering what the difference between price wise DIY vs ZPI

[eTiMaGo]

looking good, one question though, wouldn't a wider, shorter intercooler be a better for for that lower grille?

[joey1320]

looking good, one question though, wouldn't a wider, shorter intercooler be a better for for that lower grille?

ok i'll try to answer as best as i can.

first total build right now is around $700 for everything. including the emanage.

the size of the intercooler is 11" x 12" core with a total of 18" front endtank to endtank. the reason why i went with this intercooler is because on the pass side i'm going to route the pipe thru the engine bay, and this was the perfect size for that.

i'll probably see a small loss of presure but i don't think is gonna be much. i'll be runing 7.5psi of boost. plan is to go bigger next year!!!

[Turbo&Auto]

A large FMIC or long intercooler piping will not effect lag much at all. They put a front mount on a STI and it actually had better boost response!

What size turbo is that? If its a small one its going to come on low, the car WILL NOT switch over to open loop until you hit 3-4K and 90% throttle, keep that in mind. You will be boosting with the fuel tick tocking between stoich and lean. Get a ESC1 I believe its called, it will sense boost and force the ECU to change over.

OR get a standalone, these are the only safe ways.....

[joey1320]

A large FMIC or long intercooler piping will not effect lag much at all. They put a front mount on a STI and it actually had better boost response!

What size turbo is that? If its a small one its going to come on low, the car WILL NOT switch over to open loop until you hit 3-4K and 90% throttle, keep that in mind. You will be boosting with the fuel tick tocking between stoich and lean. Get a ESC1 I believe its called, it will sense boost and force the ECU to change over.

OR get a standalone, these are the only safe ways.....


the front o2 sensor will be removed so the ecu doesn't learn/adjust to the boost pressure. that is the only way to go until i get a full standalone.:redface:

[Turbo&Auto]

Are you going to use a simulator or something there?

You can leave that front O2, and get the ESC1, its a cheap piece. I had one on my Matrix when I turbod it and it worked like a champ. I actually replaced the front O2 with a PLX wideband and fed the narrowband out into the ESC1 then the ECU. As soon as I hit .5-1psi it would kick right over to open loop.

Good luck with it :)

[joey1320]

Are you going to use a simulator or something there?

You can leave that front O2, and get the ESC1, its a cheap piece. I had one on my Matrix when I turbod it and it worked like a champ. I actually replaced the front O2 with a PLX wideband and fed the narrowband out into the ESC1 then the ECU. As soon as I hit .5-1psi it would kick right over to open loop.

Good luck with it :)

cool man thanks for the info. i'll look into it!:thumbsup:

[Vic-2NZFE]

Interesting project, good luck

[Turbo&Auto]

Did you weld the mani yourself?

[joey1320]

Did you weld the mani yourself?

no a friend of mine is taking welding classes and him and his teacher did it. he said it could had looked cleaner with a lot more pratice but i don't have the patience:smile: plus is gonna be covered, so as long as the welds are strong, which they are, i'm ok.


also i'm doing this kit as a starting point, once my friends becomes better with the fab work we will get a better system together. maybe with a t3/t4 turbo and a built motor, but thats after my wedding next year:laugh:

[Turbo&Auto]

If you go T3/T4 the lag will be insane. Get a T3 super 60, that would prolly be the largest turbo that would function well all around.

The welding didnt look bad at all, good work!

[Galavoxx]

I can't wait to see where you go with this. It looks great already.

[joey1320]

If you go T3/T4 the lag will be insane. Get a T3 super 60, that would prolly be the largest turbo that would function well all around.

The welding didnt look bad at all, good work!


you are right about the size of a t3/t4 i was just traying to say that this is not the final kit for the car. i plan on redoing the manifold and doing away with the log style.

with built engine to support the boost, the plan is to have with 300whp safely. but thats for future plans, i gotta pay for wedding first. right now i'm just shooting for 150whp out of the gt2056 turbo, which i think will be easy enough.:wink:

[Turbo&Auto]

175whp is VERY reasonable on the stock block. With that small of a turbo you can run 14-17psi and it wont hurt the motor. PSI doesnt hurt the motor, its just a measure of resistance at the TB. ;)

300whp is prolly the tops for an average build on this motor. A log mani will support 350ish to the wheels. You wont need a large hot side since there is just no displacement or high revving. Smaller hot side with a decent sized compressor will work nice for response and top end :)

[joey1320]

175whp is VERY reasonable on the stock block. With that small of a turbo you can run 14-17psi and it wont hurt the motor. PSI doesnt hurt the motor, its just a measure of resistance at the TB. ;)

300whp is prolly the tops for an average build on this motor. A log mani will support 350ish to the wheels. You wont need a large hot side since there is just no displacement or high revving. Smaller hot side with a decent sized compressor will work nice for response and top end :)



i'm sorry but how does boost doesn't hurt a motor? if the internals are too weak to support the explosion/extra volume in the cylinders they will bend/break.

also you are correct about the bigger turbine not being needed. for the full built engine i'm thinking of using a Garrett GT2560R or something similar to that turbo. i have seen in person what it can do on a 1.5l Honda engine and i believe i'll get the results i want.(sorry about the t3/t4 comment earlier...)

[johnnyfive]

i'm sorry but how does boost doesn't hurt a motor? if the internals are too weak to support the explosion in the cylinders they will bend/break.

i belive all that he was saying was that the psi wasnt the thing that was going to hurt it...

[joey1320]

i belive all that he was saying was that the psi wasnt the thing that was going to hurt it...


as opposed to???

[Turbo&Auto]

I do mean to a point. You cant go out and run 30psi and expect it to not explode. BUT within reason, 1bar(14.7psi) or a lil over is fine with that size turbo.

You will want to check the compressor map and make sure it isnt going to choke up that high. Smaller turbo tend to like the 15-18psi range though so 15 shouldnt be an issue with a good tune. I prolly wouldnt run it hard on that setting everyday, but when tracking it, it will be no prob.

[leasaunce]

WOW DUDE!!! You'll l definitely be my GURU when I get my Yaris! :smile:

[lifthard1]

Yeah T&A knows his stuff :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow:

[Turbo&Auto]

Thank you, I try to offer legit info :)

[eTiMaGo]

hey, everyone loves a little T&A :wink:

[g0nthedin0]

damn 1 up son! hahah Give us Dyno Results when you're done, i'm sure you'll be running crazy !