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Just received my package for TDM Yaris Sport Version HID unit last night, looks pretty cool! It has a HID light in it, as well as a seperate halegon light as high beam, and a parking light. So I think there should be no problem keeping the DRL on this unit.
One question though, this unit has an extra plug that I don't know what it is for. I will post up some pictures tonight when I get home so everyone will understand the concern.
ChinoCharles
08-01-2007, 10:19 AM
:needpics:
I know, I know, you're gonna... doesn't mean you don't get the needpics picture of ultimate despair!
Jerkratt
08-01-2007, 04:16 PM
+1 pics!!!
Chris07LB
08-01-2007, 05:51 PM
:needpics:
I know, I know, you're gonna... doesn't mean you don't get the needpics picture of ultimate despair!
+1
OK, as promised, here are the pictures...
Chris07LB
08-01-2007, 07:22 PM
:drool: :drool: :drool: :drool:
One problem I have is with this connector, I don't know what this one is for, as the 4 wire plug already takes care the HID, parking and halegon bulb. It would be nice if someone can shine some light on this, thank you!
:drool: :drool: :drool: :drool:
wow, you're fast!
Chris07LB
08-01-2007, 07:35 PM
*might* be for Auto Level. My BMWs had this, and if you look just above the socket, there is a round adjuster. Is there a way to take a look behind that plate? There may just be a small servo behind there. If so, its a worthless feature for the US Spec cars.
brickhardmeat
08-01-2007, 07:46 PM
I am trying to refrain from strong feelings of envy and jealousy. Those are really nice. :thumbsup:
uncleyaris
08-01-2007, 08:39 PM
Gab, Can't wait to see at the next Toronto meet. If you need any help PM. Those are really nice!!!
Violin
08-01-2007, 10:08 PM
*might* be for Auto Level.
That was my guess.
*might* be for Auto Level. My BMWs had this, and if you look just above the socket, there is a round adjuster. Is there a way to take a look behind that plate? There may just be a small servo behind there. If so, its a worthless feature for the US Spec cars.
Why is it worthless?
I tried look behind that plate through the big whole where you access to the bulbs, but I can't see where that connector goes to, but the round adjuster above, I can see it links to some screw, so I know it's an adjuster, just don't know what that module is for... if it is indeed an auto level, then I will just leave it alone.
One thing I should point out, I only took pictures of the LH headlight, which that extra connector is unplugged, but on the RH side, it is plugged and the wire is connected to the main connector, again, I don't have the pictures now, maybe I will post them tomorrow so everyone will understand better.
Gab, Can't wait to see at the next Toronto meet. If you need any help PM. Those are really nice!!!
I hope I can get this installed by then! If not, I will just bring them seperately. hahaha
And can anyone confirm if that halegon bulb is ok to be used for DRL and high beam? It is 12V55W, while the HID is 12V35W D4R, and the parking light is 12V5W, are they the same specs as US specs? Can I just route the wires to the connector directly? Thanks!
uncleyaris
08-01-2007, 11:19 PM
take your time! They will work, but you need to know all the details. I'm looking into this too in case you can hook me up as well, lol
GuySmily
08-01-2007, 11:33 PM
Looking at the pictures again, I have a feeling you're going to have to do some custom wiring. I thought when you said separate high beam you meant like the kits where it's integrated into the same bulb as the HID..
You may just have to follow the last diagram I posted in the other thread after all... Here it is for reference:
http://www.guysmily.com/albums/album01/semibixenon.gif
You're gonna have to bust out the multimeter and figure out which wires lead to the ballasts, and which lead to the high beams.
I'm checking the manual for info on the connectors
edit- Hahaha... The connector list is 10 pages long... Uh.. Gotta find a Taiwan service manual...
Can you take a pic of the ballast plug for me? I haven't seen pics of their D4S/D4R ballast before.. It may be the same as their D2S. This would keep you from having to chop anything else up if you can find the plug..
Violin
08-02-2007, 09:02 AM
Most European countries (and I'd guess others) require that the headlights "self-level" when you add a load to the trunk or whatever so the lights don't shine up into oncoming traffic. Without the sensor and circuitry, you won't be able to set that part up. If that's what that connector is for (and from your description, it sure sounds like it) just ignore it.
Chris07LB
08-02-2007, 09:07 AM
Why is it worthless?
Uh, maybe because our US Spec cars dont have a way of connecting to this feature on the housing!
Looking at the pictures again, I have a feeling you're going to have to do some custom wiring. I thought when you said separate high beam you meant like the kits where it's integrated into the same bulb as the HID..
You may just have to follow the last diagram I posted in the other thread after all... Here it is for reference:
You're gonna have to bust out the multimeter and figure out which wires lead to the ballasts, and which lead to the high beams.
I'm checking the manual for info on the connectors
edit- Hahaha... The connector list is 10 pages long... Uh.. Gotta find a Taiwan service manual...
Can you take a pic of the ballast plug for me? I haven't seen pics of their D4S/D4R ballast before.. It may be the same as their D2S. This would keep you from having to chop anything else up if you can find the plug..
So I cannot just re-hook the wires to the right wire on the headlight module to make it work? Hence there should be a wire for DRL, low beam, high beam and parking light on the stock setup?
Here is the picture of the plug...
And here is what it looks like inside...
can i ask from whom/where did you buy those, and how much did they set you back?
From Taiwan, yahoo auction.
It costed me about $650 CDN + shipping.
OxyG3nE
08-02-2007, 12:01 PM
outch
Chris07LB
08-02-2007, 12:07 PM
$650 is not bad at all... I was under the impression that HID and reflectors = not a good idea... I'd like to see these installed and turned on. : )
These headlights are designed for factory HIDs.
Not every headlight housing has a projector lens from the factory for HIDs. Prius, Navigator, QX56 are just a few examples of factory installed HIDs, without a projector lens.
These headlights are designed for factory HIDs.
Not every headlight housing has a projector lens from the factory for HIDs. Prius, Navigator, QX56 are just a few examples of factory installed HIDs, without a projector lens.
Same as my '00 TL
taKuto
08-02-2007, 12:43 PM
projectors > HID reflectors :)
but great score on some nice headlights. Hopefully the beam pattern is correct, you wouldn't want the light to shoot to the opposing lane instead of the right side.
As for your connection issues, you CAN just hook them up to your stock harness, BUT its recommended that for the HID's you build a relay harness which will feed power straight from the battery. The reason is because HID's tend to draw a high amount of current during its initial startup and then drop to a low level after the bulb has been ignited, and over time that huge surge in startup current might be destroying something that wasn't designed to handle it.
It's a safety precaution, and a recommended one at that. I've seen people with other cars that have had connectors and wires fry.
projectors > HID reflectors :)
but great score on some nice headlights. Hopefully the beam pattern is correct, you wouldn't want the light to shoot to the opposing lane instead of the right side.
As for your connection issues, you CAN just hook them up to your stock harness, BUT its recommended that for the HID's you build a relay harness which will feed power straight from the battery. The reason is because HID's tend to draw a high amount of current during its initial startup and then drop to a low level after the bulb has been ignited, and over time that huge surge in startup current might be destroying something that wasn't designed to handle it.
It's a safety precaution, and a recommended one at that. I've seen people with other cars that have had connectors and wires fry.
Thanks for the tips, another member GuySmily also pointed that out. I will try to upgrade the wires if it is possible to do so.
reznunt
08-02-2007, 02:52 PM
nice headlights. i wonder if the beam pattern sucks like mine. pics of the beam pattern please! tia
nice headlights. i wonder if the beam pattern sucks like mine. pics of the beam pattern please! tia
It shouldn't be bad, at least no glazing I would say, as you can see the reflector patterns in the housing are totally different from the ones we have in North America.
Looking at the pictures again, I have a feeling you're going to have to do some custom wiring. I thought when you said separate high beam you meant like the kits where it's integrated into the same bulb as the HID..
You may just have to follow the last diagram I posted in the other thread after all... Here it is for reference:
http://www.guysmily.com/albums/album01/semibixenon.gif
GuySmily,
Your diagram shows the connection for H4 HID bulb, will it work with the headlight unit? Can I not just match up the wires (high beam/DRL to halegon, parking to parking, and low beam to HID)?
Chris07LB
08-02-2007, 04:43 PM
projectors > HID reflectors :)
Sorry, wrong again.
Your stock housing for example is a reflector, where as a projector lens directs the beam of light. The bulbs cover, the diffuser, in your stock setup, redirects the light back into the housing, then the housing "reflects" the light foward.
re·flec·tor (rĭ-flĕk'tər)
n.
Something, such as a surface, that reflects.
pro·jec·tor (prə-jĕk'tər)
n.
A device for projecting a beam of light
GabL sorry for the post jack..
Thanks for the bump Chris07LB! hahaha!
Chris07LB
08-02-2007, 05:06 PM
:tongue: :tongue: :tongue: :tongue: :tongue:
taKuto
08-02-2007, 06:35 PM
what do you mean by 'wrong again'? If I'm wrong for posting an opinion, just say so, you don't have to make me look like an idiot.
GabL, what you will want to do is make a separate wiring harness for the HID's. You will use the low-beam, and the high-beam as the trigger wires, but the high-beam wire will also go to the high-beam bulb.
Chris07LB
08-02-2007, 06:51 PM
Corrected your wrong information given ("projectors are HID reflectors"), not making you look like an idiot.
This is a site to learn and share information. So when you post something wrong, that someone may take for the correct way, expect someone to reply to your comment(s).
uncleyaris
08-02-2007, 07:56 PM
Tiawan drives the same as north america, you'd be OK GAb
taKuto
08-02-2007, 07:57 PM
I consider the ">" symbol to represent "is greater than". So I meant to say that HID projectors are better than HID reflectors in my opinion. Good thing we cleared that up.
what do you mean by 'wrong again'? If I'm wrong for posting an opinion, just say so, you don't have to make me look like an idiot.
GabL, what you will want to do is make a separate wiring harness for the HID's. You will use the low-beam, and the high-beam as the trigger wires, but the high-beam wire will also go to the high-beam bulb.
taKuto, what do you mean by "use the low-beam, and the high-beam as the trigger wires, but the high-beam wire will also go to the high-beam bulb"? Don't quite get it...
Jerkratt
08-03-2007, 02:54 AM
check kthesee out... cant read them but iif i could i would most likely buy them
http://tw.f5.page.bid.yahoo.com/tw/auction/e18529582
http://tw.f4.page.bid.yahoo.com/tw/auction/d25111071
GuySmily
08-03-2007, 03:18 AM
GuySmily,
Your diagram shows the connection for H4 HID bulb, will it work with the headlight unit? Can I not just match up the wires (high beam/DRL to halegon, parking to parking, and low beam to HID)?
taKuto, what do you mean by "use the low-beam, and the high-beam as the trigger wires, but the high-beam wire will also go to the high-beam bulb"? Don't quite get it...
Where the diagram says H4, it means the stock bulb, not the HID.
Yes, you can match the parking lamp wires from your new housing directly to the stock wires. Yes, you can match the high beam wires up.
There is NO DRL wire. We'll have to sort out how to keep the DRLs working later...
But no, you CANNOT match the low beam wire to the HID. Because your new headlights retain a full halogen bulb for the high beam, it is VERY important to find a different power source for the HID. Remember, the stock wires are only designed to power one bulb (either low or high) at a time. In your case, when you use your high beams, the low and high will be on SIMULTANEOUSLY (to prevent damage to the low beam when flashing at night). This would put too much strain on the stock wiring and is a dangerous choice.
What taKuto said about triggering the HIDs can be simplified.. If you notice in my diagram, to trigger the HIDs you don't use low OR high beam wires at all... You use the common wire!
The common wire doesn't care whether the high beam or low beam is on. As long as one of them is on, it will provide 12 volts. For reasons I explained in the other thread, your HID bulb MUST STAY ON when you flash your high beams to prevent damage.
Here is the same diagram with everything erased except for the low beam / HID:
http://www.guysmily.com/albums/yarishid/lowbeamonly.gif
Basically, for wiring up the low beam HID:
-Use the stock +12v headlight wire (common) to trigger your relay.
-Don't even touch the stock low beam (ground) wire.
There is one flaw to this setup:
What if your headlights are off and you flash someone several times?
Because your HIDs are triggered by the common +12v wire (which powers your high beams), your HIDs will flash with your high beam bulbs.
I have NEVER had to use my high beams to signal someone (instead, by habit, I use hand signals or some other method to get my message across), so for the retrofit on my car I chose simply to ignore this problem. There is another, more complicated circuit which involves the use of diodes, more relays, and all 3 stock wires. Let me know if you're interested and I can dig it up. But if you don't flash people in daylight (or can break that habit) then I'd say don't bother.
hmm... it's more complicated than I thought... I was thinking a direct wire to wire change will take cares of this project, but it seems to involve more than I thought. Have to dig up my ECE books to check what those symbols in the circuit means. hahaha! And also need to find a relay and sort out which wire is which...
Isn't the DRL wire the same as the High Beam wire, just with lower voltage supplied? As I thought the DRL uses the same filament as the High Beam, just with lower voltage?
I don't think I or my gf (she's driving the car mostly) will ever flash anyone.
Chris07LB
08-03-2007, 10:32 AM
I don't think I or my gf will ever flash anyone.
Not even for some beads?
LMAO. :laugh:
taKuto
08-03-2007, 05:12 PM
the DRL is the low beam wire for the echo/yaris.
IIRC I think the 12V wire for the H4 plug is always powered, even when the car is off. When I have time, I'll double check that on my car.
Violin
08-03-2007, 10:56 PM
It gets even more complicated to wire up the Yaris so you can flash the high beams because of the way our cars our wired. The power is always on, even when the lights are switched off. The high and low beams are switched by way of the ground. Here's how I wired mine:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1103/rjenkie/wiringdiagram.jpg
Unfortunately, the high beam indicator no longer works with this setup. I tried many different resistors to fool the car into thinking there was a low beam filament there but to no avail. I finally wired up an LED on my dash as a high beam indicator.
Violin
08-03-2007, 10:57 PM
R1, R2 and R3 are relays.
Violin
08-03-2007, 10:59 PM
$650 was a great price BTW. Good luck getting them working.
$650 was a great price BTW. Good luck getting them working.
If I get it to work! haha
GuySmily
08-04-2007, 03:03 AM
Wow, the 12v is on even with the car off? I didn't expect that... Sorry for not taking that into consideration, because that does change a few things...
Violin, instead of resistors, have you tried using a small bulb like a turn signal bulb? I would just find somewhere to tuck it away, or even use it to light up the engine bay =p
taKuto
08-04-2007, 03:17 AM
GabL, i'm sure the only difficulty you'll have is the wiring harness for the HID's. The schematic drawn up by Violin looks to be correct. Just build one of those and you're set.
Violin
08-04-2007, 09:45 AM
If the thought of building a harness scares you, there are plenty of harness builders around. Just explain exactly what you need - that schematic would help a lot.
It would be cheap compared to what you've already invested. Check here for some: http://www.hidplanet.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=20144
Violin
08-04-2007, 09:48 AM
Wow, the 12v is on even with the car off?
Not the car (ignition), the light switch.
Violin, instead of resistors, have you tried using a small bulb like a turn signal bulb? I would just find somewhere to tuck it away, or even use it to light up the engine bay =p
Possible, although I've already drilled a hole in my dash for the LED, so I'm done.
Just wanted to confirm, is the DRL in our current H4 bulb uses the high beam filament? If so, shouldn't the high beam wire and the DRL be the same with just different voltage supplied at different time? i.e. at DRL, a lower voltage is supplied, and at high beam, full 12V is supplied through the same wire? If this is the case, then I can just wire the high beam wire to the halogen bulb of the new HID unit using the same concept? Thanks in advance.
Chris07LB
08-07-2007, 09:19 AM
The key word there is, in "our" headlights. Being as everything is seperate in your new kick ass one's, they may wire things differently right from the start.
I would look into Volins suggestion of someone making up a harness and figuring everything out for you. Might save you some stress in the long run.
taKuto
08-07-2007, 11:38 AM
the DRL uses the low-beam for us. You can confirm this by turning on/off your headlights at night near a wall where you can see the change is just the brightness when the headlights are turned on.
i should add, this is for my echo, which should not be different from the yaris but it might. The same method to check still applies.
Chris07LB
08-07-2007, 01:57 PM
Well I would think its a no brainer for it to be a lower voltage off the LOW beam, beacuse although its a lower voltage, the beam PATTERN would be aim'd up if using the HIGH beam portion of the H4?
Violin may be able to shed a little more light here..
I just checked the wire diagram for the Yaris, and it seems that taKuto is correct, the Yaris uses the Low Beam filament as DRL... which creates a bit of a problem. If I'm using the H4 common wire as the trigger for the HID, will this common wire be on when the car is supposed to be running on DRL? I can't seem to understand the diagram from Violin, as in the H4 plug, the H terminal is not linked to anywhere? GuySmily's diagram seems to be much simplier with just one relay?
Chris07LB
08-07-2007, 02:13 PM
Well then, if you are expecting to keep the DRL box hooked up in your car, and splice off the regular plug to fire your HID's, it wont work. Keeping DRLs and having HID, will "strobe effect" your ballasts, and kill them over time.
Hence the reason for disconnecting the DRL box for anyone installing just a plug-n-play in their Yaris.
Violin
08-08-2007, 08:27 AM
I don't really have a solution to your DRL dilemma. Would it be legal to have a separate pair of lights, perhaps behind the grill, that come on whenever the ignition is switched on? That would be simple.
In my diagram, the car side H4 plug plugs into a female H4 plug that I purchased and integrated into the harness. See my DIY for parts suppliers.
taKuto
08-08-2007, 11:12 AM
You will only need one relay, and diodes for the low beam and high beam triggers which connect to the relay. You cannot use GuySmiley's harness since that's for positive trigger. You will need a negative triggered harness made. Wish I had the time to make you the schematic, but I'm sure you can find it somewhere.
Black Yaris
08-08-2007, 11:28 AM
dumb question.... but since we have city lights in the LB, could you just use those as you DRL? or can you hook up the high beam bulb on the same circute as the parking lights and use relays in a series to have them shut off when the lowbeam HID's come on..... only down fall to this will be no regular Highbeams at night
I can draw up a scamatic if you do not understand... but it will work, and you can keep your DRL disabled and run HID's :)
You will only need one relay, and diodes for the low beam and high beam triggers which connect to the relay. You cannot use GuySmiley's harness since that's for positive trigger. You will need a negative triggered harness made. Wish I had the time to make you the schematic, but I'm sure you can find it somewhere.
What's the difference between positive and negative trigger? And I thought I only need the low beam wire as trigger, as the high beam wire I will plug directly to the hagelon light.
taKuto
08-08-2007, 09:15 PM
positive trigger = a +12V wire is given power when the switch is on.
negative trigger = the ground wire is active when the switch is on.
toyotas are mostly negative triggered. Makes the harness a little different for constructing.
The high beam will get the common 12V and the high beam ground
The low beam (HID) will use a relay harness which will use the low beam and high beam grounds as a trigger wire.
Black Yaris, what are city lights? Do you mean the parking light? Is it a bulb that turns on when you flip the headlight switch one notch, and stays on during the low-beam switch?
Black Yaris
08-08-2007, 11:48 PM
positive trigger = a +12V wire is given power when the switch is on.
negative trigger = the ground wire is active when the switch is on.
toyotas are mostly negative triggered. Makes the harness a little different for constructing.
The high beam will get the common 12V and the high beam ground
The low beam (HID) will use a relay harness which will use the low beam and high beam grounds as a trigger wire.
Black Yaris, what are city lights? Do you mean the parking light? Is it a bulb that turns on when you flip the headlight switch one notch, and stays on during the low-beam switch?
what you are calling a positive trigger is a normal neg(-) ground system
what you are calling a negative trigger is called a pos(+) ground
City lights are the these, I had this pic laying around, to explain city lights to someone else
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j111/jthomas43613/car%20shit/Lampcopy.jpg
Violin
08-09-2007, 08:21 AM
The reason I use three relays is so I can flash the high beams without the HIDs coming on. Worth the effort, I think.
taKuto
08-09-2007, 09:57 AM
When is that city light active? I don't have one for my echo so I wouldn't know anything about it.
Violin
08-09-2007, 09:28 PM
The first position on the light stalk turns it on, the next turns on the headlights. I used it (labled "arking lamp circuit" on my schematic) to trigger the one relay - if I used the low beam, they wouldn't turn off without shutting off the car. If Canadian models lack a city/parking lamp, my harness wouldn't work.
The first position on the light stalk turns it on, the next turns on the headlights. I used it (labled "arking lamp circuit" on my schematic) to trigger the one relay - if I used the low beam, they wouldn't turn off without shutting off the car. If Canadian models lack a city/parking lamp, my harness wouldn't work.
We have parking light as well in Canadian models.
Is it possible to wire the Fog Lights to become DRL? Just a though after talking to my friend. He did a retro fit to his Civic SiR with Audi A6 projector, and he wired his Fog to become DRL with the use of relays... I will ask him for more detail on that.
R0ME0
08-24-2007, 02:35 PM
GabL I went through a similar dilema with my Celica. i'd just retrofit a custom HID setup for the headlights with some grommets thats what i did and its works like a beauty. Also as someone pointed out that the 3prong is for a leveling switch. Pretty easy to wire up. If you're interested let me know I can teach you how to hook it up. It does wonders in the Celica! I might have to do this for the Yaris now. Do you have a link on where to buy these headlights? Additionally do you have more pics of the headlights? Is there no longer any permenant amber on the headlight just in the bulb? Please let me know. Thanks!
GabL I went through a similar dilema with my Celica. i'd just retrofit a custom HID setup for the headlights with some grommets thats what i did and its works like a beauty. Also as someone pointed out that the 3prong is for a leveling switch. Pretty easy to wire up. If you're interested let me know I can teach you how to hook it up. It does wonders in the Celica! I might have to do this for the Yaris now. Do you have a link on where to buy these headlights? Additionally do you have more pics of the headlights? Is there no longer any permenant amber on the headlight just in the bulb? Please let me know. Thanks!
R0ME0, do you still have the wire diagram of how you wire up your Celica? I do want to make the fog light the DRL and keep everything there.
I'm also interested to know how to wire up that auto leveling switch? Please post some pictures if you can. Thanks!
I got the headlights from Taiwan Yahoo auction as mentioned (tw.bid.yahoo.com). It doesn't have the permenant amber reflector at the side, also the side parking light is not on this headlight also. I will try to post some more pics later!
acdaazn
09-23-2007, 04:58 PM
So whatever happened to this project?
It's on hold until I find out how to get the circuit working. hahaha!
Trying to get the fog light to become DRL, with on/off switch still function. My friend did that to his Civic SiR, so need to find time so we can sit down and look at it.
And thanks for following up, I will definitely post up some info once I get it done.
TrancosRt
09-24-2007, 04:03 PM
Well, If i understand the DRL circuitry correctly, it's an independent wire that hooks to the headlamps power. So, in theory, you can re route the DRL power to the foglights. My Yaris doesn't have neither DRL nor Foglights, so I can't vouch for this to work. In theory, however, if you can find where the DRL circuit hooks up to the headlamp harness, you can just cut this connection and connect it to the foglights one instead.
I think it's the other way, as there is only one wire going to the bulb, which is a H4 bulb, and it is the DRL module that regulates how much power to go to the bulb, i.e. DRL or Low Beam. So I cannot just hook this wire to the fog to make it DRL, else I will lose the Low Beam wire. This is how I understand the circuit diagram from the DIY section.
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