Under $2500 Turbo Kit w/Intercooler coming soon!

[cdydjded]

OK you guys have asked for it & you will get it. I have almost finished a turbo kit for under $2500. It will feature the following:
Custom manifold
T25/T28 turbo with internal wastegate
Front mount intercooler
All piping, t bolt clamps, hardware, gaskets ect

For engine managment I will be using one of the following:

Camcom
Blitz RVIT-i
Apex SAFC
AEM FIC

I will sell the kit with or without the engine managment. I will be also trying each item & recomend the best one for the turbo kit. Now I read alot of people saying that when this alternative would come out they would jump on it like white on rice. Let's see who is on board.

[YarisTom73]

Cool, now I just need a supplemental income...even a winning lotto ticket would suffice

[cali yaris]

First of all, thank you for your work on this, I'm glad some options are coming out for our cars.

I don't don't like internal wastegates in general, but... If you (1) show all kit parts clearly in pictures and an installed kit and (2) post dynos (preferably NOT on a Dynojet)

then I'd be interested.

1. what wastegate are you using? (this is especially important with an internal wastegate)
1a. What spring will the wastegate come with?
2. what blowoff valve are you using?
3. Will the management come with a p 'n p harness?
4. is this going to use stock injectors?

I can think of more questions, but lets' start with these.

[cdydjded]

First of all, thank you for your work on this, I'm glad some options are coming out for our cars.

I don't don't like internal wastegates in general, but... If you (1) show all kit parts clearly in pictures and an installed kit and (2) post dynos (preferably NOT on a Dynojet)

then I'd be interested.

1. what wastegate are you using? (this is especially important with an internal wastegate)
1a. What spring will the wastegate come with?
2. what blowoff valve are you using?
3. Will the management come with a p 'n p harness?
4. is this going to use stock injectors?

I can think of more questions, but lets' start with these.

I have before about your dislike of internal wastegates & would like to know what is you problem with it? Here in Miami we only have Dynojets. Again what is the problem? As for your questions:
1) the tubo is made by Mitsubishi so it is made by them
1A) low boost 5lbs
3) No most will have to be hard wired (price is the issue) the Blitz plugs in to the port under the dash
4)depends on the results with them

[redduck]

I had a feeling you where cooking up something after reading your recent posts and replys.

[cali yaris]

thanks for the answers. If you can reply to question 2. that would be good also.

As for wastegates, an internal one is fine as long as you never want to change anything, and it never fails. I like the flexibility, as I have never seen an aftermarket bolt-on turbo kit that didn't need quite a bit of tweaking for power and reliability.

Hard wiring a management unit will add considerably to the cost. I am cool with that, but anyone considering this set up needs a really good tuning shop near them to wire it up and tune the car. I would interview the shop and get a quote before purchasing the kit.

I hope the stock injectors work out, that would help keep the cost down -- the last set of four I bought cost about $350, does that sound about right for our car?

Here's a question -- what are our stock injectors rated at in cc's?

[cdydjded]

thanks for the answers. If you can reply to question 2. that would be good also.

As for wastegates, an internal one is fine as long as you never want to change anything, and it never fails. I like the flexibility, as I have never seen an aftermarket bolt-on turbo kit that didn't need quite a bit of tweaking for power and reliability.

Hard wiring a management unit will add considerably to the cost. I am cool with that, but anyone considering this set up needs a really good tuning shop near them to wire it up and tune the car. I would interview the shop and get a quote before purchasing the kit.

I hope the stock injectors work out, that would help keep the cost down -- the last set of four I bought cost about $350, does that sound about right for our car?

Here's a question -- what are our stock injectors rated at in cc's?

Sorry for not replying to #2:
2) not sure yet, something inexpensive to keep the kit cost down

As for the internal waste gate you do realize that some of them do come adjustable right? On the engine managment I am shooting for the Blitz unit to work since it is a plug n play unit.

[Nutzoids]

First Off... Thank you for doing this... I definitely Under-estimated you... and I'm sorry! :bow:

2nd: Who made the Custom Manifold?
3rd: Will there be a CAI available?
4th: Will you make a Stage 0 Kit, Without the Intercooler and all that piping?
5th: How much wood could a woodchuck Chuck, if a Woodchuck, could chuck wood?

:evil:

[fu_im_from_texas]

First Off... Thank you for doing this...

+1 ... I'm interested, but I'd like to see more details of the kit... keep up the good work!

[cdydjded]

First Off... Thank you for doing this... I definitely Under-estimated you... and I'm sorry! :bow:

2nd: Who made the Custom Manifold?
3rd: Will there be a CAI available?
4th: Will you make a Stage 0 Kit, Without the Intercooler and all that piping?
5th: How much wood could a woodchuck Chuck, if a Woodchuck, could chuck wood?

:evil:

Manifold was made by TD Autowerkes http://www.tdautowerkes.com/
CAI not nessesary for turbo kit
Yes I will offer it without an I/C
A wood chuck could chuck as much wood as a wood chuck could chuck if a wood chuck could chuck wood :thumbup:

[nebulight]

Manifold was made by TD Autowerkes http://www.tdautowerkes.com/

:clap: :w00t:

[joey1320]

how will you be able to deal with the adaptaion values being reset by the ecu?

[johnnyfive]

A wood chuck could chuck as much wood as a wood chuck could chuck if a wood chuck could chuck wood

thank you, that was the one question i was looking to get answered :) :P


and i would imagin at this point you would still need to keep the O2 sensor unpluged as the late ZPI had done...and until something big happens i would imagine we would have to keep the check engine light...

[Jerkratt]

we can keep using a scan gauge or something and keep clearing the code..... lol

[joey1320]

we can keep using a scan gauge or something and keep clearing the code..... lol

the code will always be there since you have remove it. so if you can deal with it ok.

[Black Yaris]

we just need a CEL fix... anyone interested in getting ahold of the JDM turbo ECU? I do not know much about turbo's but would that solve some problems with the CEL?

[cdydjded]

About the CEL, I would like to know with the 2 guys that have the ZPI kit why they removed the O2 sensor? Also if they tried to use a O2 simulator.

[Turbo&Auto]

Is your car up and running? Sorry if I dont pay attention :P

Also, if it is, how long? Interested to see what you tune with and if the ECU learns around it.....

[cdydjded]

I am hoping to done by the end of the month.

[Turbo&Auto]

what are you going to tune it with?

stock fuel pump? Anything to boost fuel pressure under boost? Injectors??

[cali yaris]

Removing the O2 sensor throws the ECU into "limp-home" mode. In this mode, it is too busy trying to keep your car running and no longer learns/overrides the piggyback management (E-manage, for example).

It's an OK workaround, but I think there must be a better way.

[johnnyfive]

there will be a better way...eventually...but as to who is going to step up to the plate and work on it...that i do not know ;)

[punch]

we need something from toyota, to replace the computer with... on my pt cruiser mopar stage 1 kit, replaced, and removed alot of the engine management, eg check engine lights, o2 sensor reading etc...

[cali yaris]

Who was the member on here who got 142 bhp by balancing the motor, porting/polishing, etc., all N/A?

[joey1320]

About the CEL, I would like to know with the 2 guys that have the ZPI kit why they removed the O2 sensor? Also if they tried to use a O2 simulator.


well one was spkrman but he is no longer a member and the other is turboyaris, but he doesn't come by here much often anymore. i talked with him before about this same issue and he told me that zpi just removed the front o2 sensor and tuned the car as best possible with the emanage.

[Nabisco]

Wide band data logers such as the Zeitronix kit has a simulated narrow band output for the ECU. This is only good when the unit is being used to data log. However I recall on some other Toyota forums there is a circuit you can build that will put a load on the o2 circuit so the ECU doesn't throw a code.

Another option: A resistor that makes the ECU think that there is an o2 sensor there, without ever varying values, so the fuel system will not ever account for unburned fuel hydrocarbons, the car may not enter closed loop mode, your fuel economy will suffer, and your catalytic converter will eventually die a premature death, possibly by slagging down and burning.

I think neither are sufficient. We need a donor ECU!

[Turbo&Auto]

the resistor on the O2 is for the heater circuit to fool it that its heating something. Its 2 10K 10watt resistors in series I believe.

[elsteverino889]

Ay i just read you live in Miami? Do you go to any hangouts or what? FINALLY some miami pride in this forum!

[joey1320]

the o2 sensor sends a return voltage signal to the ecu to let it know what values is reading, a resistor may not be able to help our cause.

[HTM Yaris]

TSK , TSK , TSK . I love it when people THINK they can 1 up the engineers who designed the cars , but I hate it when they ruin a perfectly good car .

First of all the pistons , rings , rods , crankshaft and bearings will NOT hold up for long .
Secondly , what about all that heat . Remember the ECU is in the engine bay . NEXT to the exhaust manifold ................

THIRDLY and the BIGGEST mistake that damn near everybody makes , what about the OIL COOLER . You can NOT have a turbo car without an oil cooler . You will need a higher flow oil pump as well . Ask yourself , "How many turboed hondas have you seen blow up " , answer , "ALL OF THEM" b/c they forget the OIL COOLER . Don't kid yourself .

If you want a fast car , buy an EVO or STi . If you wanna make your Yaris faster , sign up for one of the many High Performance Driving Events (HPDE)around the country . Granted some HPDE's are better than others , but it is a much more sound investment of your money . Also you WILL become a better driver (which in turn will save money on insurance) and you will probably make some kool new friends .

All of my students say the same thing " Holy Shit I didn't know my car could do this ". I took my future daughter in law to the track for her first time last weekend . At first she was timid . By the end of the day the guy in the M3 was almost passed by a woman in a YARIS . Luckily for the guy in the M3 there was a very long straight , but then we would reel him right back in when we got to the twisty section .
Like my buddy says " Straight roads are for fast cars , Curvy roads are for fast drivers "

[cali yaris]

True about the oil cooler. True about driving skill. NASA (HPDE events) is a terrific organization and great place to improve driving skill (I'm a member).

However, I will respectfully disagree that a stock car cannot be modified to have more safe, usable power. Done right, it is not always "ruining a perfectly good car". I dislike generalized comments like this.

[Galavoxx]

I also dislike comments like this. As much as I believe in driving skills, at some point, it's just fun to see what can be done with a small-displacement low-weight automobile. With the increase in power provided by a turbo, the Yaris will not only be able to hang with the big boys in the twisties but also in the straights. The engine management needs some work but once it's cracked, we are going to see some serious power out of this little engine. And it's going to be reliable power, and yes more power would be made with a built engine, and who cares if it's front wheel drive, and it's going to be so much fun walking a car with twice our horsepower.

[joey1320]

TSK , TSK , TSK . I love it when people THINK they can 1 up the engineers who designed the cars , but I hate it when they ruin a perfectly good car .

First of all the pistons , rings , rods , crankshaft and bearings will NOT hold up for long .
Secondly , what about all that heat . Remember the ECU is in the engine bay . NEXT to the exhaust manifold ................

THIRDLY and the BIGGEST mistake that damn near everybody makes , what about the OIL COOLER . You can NOT have a turbo car without an oil cooler . You will need a higher flow oil pump as well . Ask yourself , "How many turboed hondas have you seen blow up " , answer , "ALL OF THEM" b/c they forget the OIL COOLER . Don't kid yourself .

If you want a fast car , buy an EVO or STi . If you wanna make your Yaris faster , sign up for one of the many High Performance Driving Events (HPDE)around the country . Granted some HPDE's are better than others , but it is a much more sound investment of your money . Also you WILL become a better driver (which in turn will save money on insurance) and you will probably make some kool new friends .

All of my students say the same thing " Holy Shit I didn't know my car could do this ". I took my future daughter in law to the track for her first time last weekend . At first she was timid . By the end of the day the guy in the M3 was almost passed by a woman in a YARIS . Luckily for the guy in the M3 there was a very long straight , but then we would reel him right back in when we got to the twisty section .
Like my buddy says " Straight roads are for fast cars , Curvy roads are for fast drivers "


i can understand where you are coming on most points but i personally know of 4 turbo Hondas runing without oil coolers and they have been daily driven for at least 3 years and with more than 45+K miles and still runing great.

and i know because i was the one who put them together for my brothers and friends. they all had pass 60k miles on the engines and are all over 100k miles as of right now and no problems at all.

Yes, people do think they can one up the engineers and usually fail miserably, but then theres times when you can make a car better by adding a small amount of power and better handling(which could had been done at the faxtory) and end up with a fun car.

oh btw i'll be using an oil cooler on my turbo build.
:smile:

[HTM Yaris]

I never said that you could not modify a car to have more safe , usable power . In your own words , if done right . Just that most people don't think things all the way through . They get blinded by greed of power . I also like small displacement cars . That is why I only build 4 cyl and rotary cars . One more thing to keep in mind , whatever we do to our cars , the big boys can also do to their cars ......

[Galavoxx]

whatever we do to our cars , the big boys can also do to their cars ......

So true.

[joey1320]

I never said that you could not modify a car to have more safe , usable power . In your own words , if done right . Just that most people don't think things all the way through . They get blinded by greed of power . I also like small displacement cars . That is why I only build 4 cyl and rotary cars . One more thing to keep in mind , whatever we do to our cars , the big boys can also do to their cars ......


cool, it just sounded like you were completely putting down the idea of a turbo yaris, thats all.

so you are also into rotaries? me too. hopefully i can get my hands on a Datsun 1200 so i can swap in a 12A next couple of years. but those chassis are so hard to find in good condition...:frown:

[HTM Yaris]

A 1200 , are you talkin about about a 510 Datsun ? send me a pic . Alot of people in these parts are not car savvy .I'll keep my eye out . Just so you know my finders fee is a Mt. Dew . Yeah I love rotaries . Such smooth power delivery . I built the car below . 10th Anny . 125 K on my rebuild and still going strong.

Oh , I'm sure you know this , but don't forget the thermostat and flapper valve for your oil cooler . It will keep your oil cooler from blowing up while the engine reaches operating temps . If you didn't know this Peterson Fluid can help you out . Also you may wanna think about an inline oil filter . It is really cool b/c I don't have to buy oil filters anymore . I just unscrew the filter , remove and rinse the metal element with solvent and then blow dry with air compressor . And the end is interchangeable so that you can add ports for oil senors(s) . See pic below. I learned this trick from those Nascar boys .

Nah a turbo Yaris is totally feasible , but not for 2.5k and be reliable

If you really wanna be impressed , go check out the new Super Duty Ford F-350 . The whole front end is nothing but coolers . There is even a turbo cooler (fluid).

[joey1320]

nice rx7 man. clean car. i always liked the t2 body style.
thanks for the info on the inline oil filters, thats a neat design.

the Datsun is a 1200, at least thats the only way i have always known it to be. is not the 510, which i would like to have also, but is usually more expensive. or maybe an rx3 but man those don't ever show up for sale anywhere...

heres a pic of the 1200:
http://i.pbase.com/u34/ozze/large/22654107.Datsun1600coupe3.jpg

[cali yaris]

oh that is SWEET!

Here's my next project:

http://www.webspacedesigns.com/cortina/images/before/ext-side-1.jpg

I'm sorry for jacking the thread... back on topic?

[cdydjded]

TSK , TSK , TSK . I love it when people THINK they can 1 up the engineers who designed the cars , but I hate it when they ruin a perfectly good car .

First of all the pistons , rings , rods , crankshaft and bearings will NOT hold up for long .

Yes you are correct, all those components have stregth & durability limmitations.


Secondly , what about all that heat . Remember the ECU is in the engine bay . NEXT to the exhaust manifold ................

The kit I am designing has the compressor on the computer side.

THIRDLY and the BIGGEST mistake that damn near everybody makes , what about the OIL COOLER . You can NOT have a turbo car without an oil cooler .

Yes you can have a turbo car without an oilcooler. Is it better to have one, yes, but is it 100% needed, no.

You will need a higher flow oil pump as well.

Sorry but I have personally built numerous high hp Hondas & Supras with stock oil pumps.

Ask yourself , "How many turboed hondas have you seen blow up " , answer , "ALL OF THEM" b/c they forget the OIL COOLER.

Hondas or any car converted to forced induction blow up due to many reasons but oil cooler is not the main reason. Overboost, too much timing, not enough fuel, bad tuning just to name a few.

[nebulight]

Ask yourself , "How many turboed hondas have you seen blow up " , answer , "ALL OF THEM" b/c they forget the OIL COOLER . Don't kid yourself .

Gee, I had a turbo honda and it didn't have an Oil Cooler, mine didn't blow up, infact it made 375whp at 11psi:

http://dynos.evans-tuning.com/375whpstockgsr.jpg

[cdydjded]

http://www.tdautowerkes.com/projects.htm

Here is my shops 750hp Civic with no oil cooler

[Turbo&Auto]

I've had quite a few turbo cars with and without the oil cooler, its DEFINATELY not a neccesity but nice to have :)

[Trish]

I'm very interested...PM me please when to final kit will be ready to sell and send me, as soon as you can, the all the spec+photos. Thank you!!!

[Sabretooth]

I dont think that we will have many problems with this, I dont know much of crap about turbos, but I know guys who are total turb heads...700hp Single Turbo Supras, High hp Hondas...you name it, they all seem fine, only problem is, you just dont take care of what you have created, it will get loose and eventually win the war. In other words, if you Turbo, take care of it!

If you want low upkeep, get a Supercharger.

[Lafiro]

Ok, we need a supercharger that does 8-11psi. Not just 5psi.

[CASTREX]

Ok, we need a supercharger that does 8-11psi. Not just 5psi.

Do a blitz / Greddy xB retrofit and make a custom pulley to take the psi up.

[Lafiro]

If this was that easy then why is everyone doing turbo??????

[CASTREX]

Who is everybody? there are just a few doing turbos... besides the turbo is proven to produce more power. Supercharger is more for the guys that are looking for an easy bolt on an a more relaible source of power.

You can find the xB Greddy charger for $2,400 and it comes with the emange included.

The first FI Yaris in this forum was a xB Blitz retrofit. And it seems to be running fine so far. And according to the owner of that car... the custom work to have it fit was not that hard.

The problem is that it's hard to find someone wiling to spend $2.4K on a blower to see if it works.

If I could find an used greddy charger at a good price I would give it a try.

[jthebeh]

I have been waiting for just this, I am over with my warranty so I want this turbo set up way bad!!! Once you get it all set up let me know CDY.

[Tapper]

When building a turbo kit, use the right stuff. 5 PSI even 8 PSI aint that hot. The reason that kits are usually around that pressure is that the computer connot handle what the engine is trying to do. Stock injestors will be way to small. They will work up to a point but they will not supply enough fuel, why would they? they are set up for a stock engine. You can increase the duty cycle but that is not going to solve the problem. Chip tuning is the only way to do it. Stand alone screws a whole bunch of stuff up, speedo, dash lights etc...

[CASTREX]

When building a turbo kit, use the right stuff. 5 PSI even 8 PSI aint that hot. The reason that kits are usually around that pressure is that the computer connot handle what the engine is trying to do. Stock injestors will be way to small. They will work up to a point but they will not supply enough fuel, why would they? they are set up for a stock engine. You can increase the duty cycle but that is not going to solve the problem. Chip tuning is the only way to do it. Stand alone screws a whole bunch of stuff up, speedo, dash lights etc...

You have to do some reading about the car you just bought. Ain't that simple with the Yaris

[Tapper]

Nothing is simple when changing an N/A car to a forced induction set up. I certainly dont think it would be easy to do. I dont understand, what part did I said would be simple? My car is stock and will stay that way for a while. I would like to know as much as I can about the ecu in the car so any links or info would appreciated. '

[SmallCarGuy]

The ECU is a pain.... that's pretty much it... No "Chip" to do anything or reflashes for us in the Toyota World.... along with the reality that without internal work, pushing higher PSIs just doesn't make the engine happy in it's stock (ECO-Friendly) form. Plus, all the work and dyno time ain't cheap either.

Unichip has done some great things for the Scion/Toyota guys, along with the trusty emanage options, but our "Learning" ECU is a monster to deal with, and that's what makes it more of a pain. Adding the piping, turbo, injectors, etc... not hard... making our ECU like it and keep liking it... and the engine handle it... not as easy or fun.

[Nexus1155]

This ECU has already been reflashed... check out tuning websites... just need a spare ECU harness... maybe if someone can hook me up with one we can work out a deal..?

[Tapper]

SmallCarGuy, have you already checked out the chip o a chipreader?

Nexus 1155 What type of reflash did you get? I know a smart person who just loves C++...

[TurboNut33]

An external wastegate setup would rule.

[cali yaris]

This ECU has already been reflashed... check out tuning websites... just need a spare ECU harness... maybe if someone can hook me up with one we can work out a deal..?

The ECU for the Yaris has been reflashed? To do what?
Please provide the links from the tuning websites you mention in your post.
I've been unable to find that information, thanks.

[Nexus1155]

byteshooter already has a checksumm etc i think for the 1.5l yaris... let me look it up...

Toyota Aygo 1.0 VVT-i Siemens M7.9.5 depends yes yes

Toyota Corolla E12 1.4 D4D Bosch EDC16C10 yes, all yes -

Toyota Yaris 1.0 VVT-i Siemens M7.9.5 depends yes yes
Toyota Yaris 1.4 D Bosch EDC15C9 yes yes -
Toyota Yaris Verso 1.4 D Bosch EDC15C9 yes yes -
Toyota Yaris XP9 1.4 D4D Bosch EDC16C10 yes, all yes

this is an outdated list, im sure they covered the new yaris as well... but they flash through benching and obd so, if anyone wants to help me with this project toss me a message... i dont mind helping hands lol...