13's ?

[03Z33]

Anyone run 13's on the Yaris? I know many autocrossers and drag racers run them on other smaller and old skool cars but was wondering if anyone has pics on the Yaris...

Looking at a set of these in white:

http://www.revlimiter.net/miata/images/wheels_lenso.jpg

Lenso VPD 13x7.5 +25 (9lbs each)

they're pretty played out in the Honda/Import drag scene but I think they'd look pretty decent on the Yaris with some 205/60/13 Toyo RA1's :eek: :biggrin:

Or I could always snag a used set of old skool 13" Panasports or Wat's :thumbsup:

[seanele]

wow..it's hard to believe that is 13. looks bigger..

[reznunt]

get some 15" volks that weigh 9 lbs. it'll cost you more $ but you'll save weight on the tire and have quicker response with turns. i'd totally rock 13's if the weight savings was a little more significant.

[03Z33]

Well I picked them up tonight :biggrin:

They weigh in at 8.5lbs on my fed ex scale. Tires are on order, those should come in under 18lbs each so I will be saving a couple of pounds over my magnesium 15's as well as moving the weight inboard.

In all honesty I picked these up for the look more than anything else... I just had to see how they look on the car :laugh: And I like the fact that I now have a set of each: 13, 14, 15, 16, and 17 wheels for the car :wink:

You can't beat the cost effectiveness of 13" racing tires and these wheels. For anyone considering a second set of wheels and tires for track these should be at the top of your list for under $600 total including tires :w00t:

I'll hopefully have some pics up on Tue/Wed when the tires arrive. Didn't take any pics tonight when I test fit them, but the clearance to the brakes, coilover and fender are all pretty tight.... as close as you can get to perfect fittment without any hassles (I hope :wink: ).

[reznunt]

hell ya! looks like i might not have to shell out for 14" volks... depending on how these look in your pics =) and you are absolutely right about the price. congrats!

what size tires did you get? do you think they'll clear everything steering lock to lock? 7.5 is fat!!! hopefully it does. that would be so sweet.

[nqd]

For anyone considering a second set of wheels and tires for track these should be at the top of your list for under $600 total including tires :w00t:


where did u get them for that price? i only found them at 250 to 280/pair

[reznunt]

where did u get them for that price? i only found them at 250 to 280/pair

where did you find them for $250?

[reznunt]

nm

[03Z33]

Those are some good prices! :wink: I got a great price also, talk to Tom at Camp1320 in Chatsworth.
Tires came out mega cheap too... love the 13's!

I'll post up once they're on the car. :thumbup:

[reznunt]

sweet, can't wait! i'm basing my decision off of your results. i wanna know how much rubbing to expect, especially with my car on teins that are all the way down.

[Imagine]

I want some pics! I'd rock those on my Del Sol.

[blueskana]

Let me know how you like the new effective gearing and if it helps on the track; those with some Kumhos are on the top of the list for the 08' season.
Congrats.

[03Z33]

UPS only delivered 3 tires today :confused: :laugh: They say the fourth one is missing :eek: Hopefully they can find it soon, so I can get these mounted and take some pics. I'll try to mount two tomorrow and take some pics if the fourth tire doesn't turn up.

[brickhardmeat]

I am excited to see results.

[reznunt]

me too!

[CompanyXPaladin]

Have you gotten your fourth tire yet? When do we get to see some pics?

[cali yaris]

yeah, I want to see those pics too. I need a set of track wheels and tires ASAP.

[reznunt]

if anyone is interested, i can get group buy pricing for five or more sets. this should be around $460 per set of four otd, maybe less. they have all colors in stock. pm me if interested.

[03Z33]

I'm hoping the tire shows up tomorrow... If not I'll just order a replacement and have UPS deal with the missing one. Had to work late today so I didn't get a chance to mount two as planned, I'll try again tomorrow.

[03Z33]

Tire showed up, didn't get too many great pics since it's already dark out and the car is filthy. I probably haven't posted any pics for a while... car has the Seibon VSII hood and JDM non-RS rear bumper installed. JDM front bumper, aeroover lip kit and carbon hatch are at the paint shop already. It's getting ready to go for paint really soon and won't be white much longer.

The wheels fit great, no rubbing at all! They look pretty tiny, and definitely change the look of the car. I should really go lower for looks but the car won't clear any speed bumps as it is right now. Handling feels great, acceleration is a little quicker also. One thing to watch out for is the front brake clearance is tight and you can't run any of the thicker 1/2 oz. sticker weights directly above the caliper on the front wheels or it will touch, luckily the wheels didn't need much weight at all to balance and I was able to use the skinnier style 1/4 oz. weights which clear fine.

Pics:

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/12/web/2436000-2436999/2436283_51_full.jpg

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/12/web/2436000-2436999/2436283_44_full.jpg

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/12/web/2436000-2436999/2436283_43_full.jpg

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/12/web/2436000-2436999/2436283_42_full.jpg

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/12/web/2436000-2436999/2436283_39_full.jpg

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/12/web/2436000-2436999/2436283_58_full.jpg

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/12/web/2436000-2436999/2436283_59_full.jpg

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/12/web/2436000-2436999/2436283_60_full.jpg

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/12/web/2436000-2436999/2436283_62_full.jpg

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/12/web/2436000-2436999/2436283_67_full.jpg


The hood:

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/12/web/2436000-2436999/2436283_64_full.jpg

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/12/web/2436000-2436999/2436283_65_full.jpg

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/12/web/2436000-2436999/2436283_66_full.jpg

[yrsdrgn]

Wow that looks amazing. what color do you plan to have the car painted? and can you possibly take a picture of the underside of the cf hood?

[reznunt]

thanks for the pics! i picked up my lenso's today. i just need tires!

love the recaros btw.

[CompanyXPaladin]

Those look fantastic on your car, man. EXTREMELY clean looking ride.. how wide are the wheels? The Recaros rock.. Keep up the excellent work man. :headbang:

I might just have to order myself a set each for my RX7 and my Yaris for track days....

[cali yaris]

very nice, love the wheels!

[eTiMaGo]

ahhaha I love it, looks more like a matchbox toy now :biggrin:

[kimona]

Would look very weird as a daily driver! But perfect for weekend racing.

Nice mods. What wheels and tires do you normally run?

[03Z33]

Thank you for all the comments :thumbsup: I'll probably run these for a while until the car is out of the paint shop. The car gets a lot of looks :thumbup:

Wow that looks amazing. what color do you plan to have the car painted? and can you possibly take a picture of the underside of the cf hood?

I'll take a pic of the underside of the hood and post. Paint color is not decided yet.

thanks for the pics! i picked up my lenso's today. i just need tires!

love the recaros btw.

Great! What color did you get them in? Can't wait to see it! What tire size are you getting?

Those look fantastic on your car, man. EXTREMELY clean looking ride.. how wide are the wheels? The Recaros rock.. Keep up the excellent work man. :headbang:

I might just have to order myself a set each for my RX7 and my Yaris for track days....

I bet they would look real good on MK1 RX7 :wink:

Would look very weird as a daily driver! But perfect for weekend racing.

Nice mods. What wheels and tires do you normally run?

I have a few sets of wheels that I switch between. Usually it's the AME's or the Racing Harts but lately I've been running the Watanabes with the RA1's every day.

[reznunt]

Great! What color did you get them in? Can't wait to see it! What tire size are you getting?

i got white since i'm on black wheels right now... otherwise i would've went with black. so you already know what it'll look like haha.

i'm going to run 205-60-13. i only found a few tires that were in stock... really cheap shit like federals and nankangs or really expensive shit like the ra1's you got. no in between! i think i'm getting cooper cobras because of a hook up. i can't run ra1's on the street because i don't have tire warmers and i don't plan on taking 70 mph right-handers on the street hahaha.

[reznunt]

btw, thanks for being the guinea pig! you're a true pioneer.

[jdium]

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/519SRHS90WL._SS400_.jpg
I couldn't find the blister pack with your car in it http://www.hostboard.com/ubb/smilies/expressive/hyper.gif

About your hood, have you driven/parked it in rain yet? Does it turn into a bird bath? I like how it looks, but I also live in the Pacific Northwest, and don't want to funnel water onto my engine...

[brickhardmeat]

those 13's are RAD, make my 15's look like 17's

[03Z33]

i got white since i'm on black wheels right now... otherwise i would've went with black. so you already know what it'll look like haha.

i'm going to run 205-60-13. i only found a few tires that were in stock... really cheap shit like federals and nankangs or really expensive shit like the ra1's you got. no in between! i think i'm getting cooper cobras because of a hook up. i can't run ra1's on the street because i don't have tire warmers and i don't plan on taking 70 mph right-handers on the street hahaha.

Tire Rack have the Sumitomo HTR 200 which is a decent street tire in 205/60/13 for $45 plus shipping.


http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/519SRHS90WL._SS400_.jpg
I couldn't find the blister pack with your car in it http://www.hostboard.com/ubb/smilies/expressive/hyper.gif

About your hood, have you driven/parked it in rain yet? Does it turn into a bird bath? I like how it looks, but I also live in the Pacific Northwest, and don't want to funnel water onto my engine...

Haven't seen any rain recently, but I'm really not worried about it.

[blueskana]

Those things look rowdy man. Beat me to the punch LOL. Very nice. So you dig the new OD ratio rpm wise? What size tire/variation from stock is your combo now?

[blueskana]

Offset???

[03Z33]

Those things look rowdy man. Beat me to the punch LOL. Very nice. So you dig the new OD ratio rpm wise? What size tire/variation from stock is your combo now?

The overall diameter is approximately 1/2" shorter than the stock 14" wheel and tire combo with my particular tire sizing. Your car will lower by 1/4" and your fender gap will increase by 1/4". I prefer the lower stance and the slightly shorter gearing since it helps with acceleration. The stock gearing is very tall IMO on the Yaris, which is great for fuel economy but can be improved on for performance.

The wheel offset is +25 and it's a 13x7.5

[Imagine]

Can't wait to hear how they perform with some aggressive cornering.

[kurokoma-kun]

You finally got em! :thumbup: I thought reznunt had beat you to it.

They look fantastic! also interested in your impressions of handling.

[Thirty-Nine]

Can't wait to hear how they perform with some aggressive cornering.

x2.

I wish someone made a tire in this size that was a little more agressive (e.g. Yokohama AVS ES100s or such).

[brickhardmeat]

all I can find is Toyo, Federal and Cooper

[reznunt]

all I can find is Toyo, Federal and Cooper

dunlop, nankang, sumitomo also have 205-60-13.

[reznunt]

You finally got em! :thumbup: I thought reznunt had beat you to it.

They look fantastic! also interested in your impressions of handling.

nope, he was the pioneer! that's why i gave credit where credit is due, in the first line of my pic post. :thumbsup:

[reznunt]

x2.

I wish someone made a tire in this size that was a little more agressive (e.g. Yokohama AVS ES100s or such).

x3. like i said, it's either really cheap shit or race rubber, not a lot of selection in between.

[brickhardmeat]

well, if I end up with a set of 13's I'll probably get the federals 'cuz that's how i roll:laugh:

don't want to destroy my white trash image

[reznunt]

well, if I end up with a set of 13's I'll probably get the federals 'cuz that's how i roll:laugh:

don't want to destroy my white trash image

i'll do you one better and get some tire pens and make that federal logo really stand out! :biggrin:

[Thirty-Nine]

dunlop, nankang, sumitomo also have 205-60-13.

I can't find any Dunlops in 205/60/13. I found the Sumitomos. I wouldn't put a set of Nankangs on any wheel I owned. I owned a set of them and they were horrible.

[Thirty-Nine]

FYI:

VPDs on special at Honda-Tech: http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=2070757

VPDs in multiple colors: http://www.exospeed.com/category.php?id=427

[reznunt]

I can't find any Dunlops in 205/60/13. I found the Sumitomos. I wouldn't put a set of Nankangs on any wheel I owned. I owned a set of them and they were horrible.

i can't find them either, weird. here's a pic of them in 205-60-13:
http://www.bmw2002faq.com/component/option,com_forum/Itemid,50/page,download/id,13881/sid,9b59c09e747fb986b566ce1a42f7277c/

[reznunt]

FYI:

VPDs on special at Honda-Tech: http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=2070757

VPDs in multiple colors: http://www.exospeed.com/category.php?id=427

they're $20 cheaper here (http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?p=130782#post130782) :biggrin:, plus no tax!

[brickhardmeat]

i'll do you one better and get some tire pens and make that federal logo really stand out! :biggrin:

yeah ,well, of course:thumbup:

[Thirty-Nine]

they're $20 cheaper here (http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?p=130782#post130782) :biggrin:, plus no tax!

Trust me -- if I had the cash now, I'd buy them at your "store." :thumbup:

They only thing I'd worry about is sidewall flex. With a nice, sticky, street tire, the sidewalls are still pretty stiff. On the currently available 205-60-13s, I'm afraid they're not high performance enough (minus the R compounds) for my liking. I've got Yokohama AVS ES100s in a 205-50-16 now and they're great. I don't mind our 205-50-15 Falken Ziex 15s either.

BTW, they don't seem to make the G/T Qualifier in that size anymore. http://dunloptires.com/dunlop/display_tire.jsp?prodline=G/T+Qualifier&mrktarea=Performance

EDIT: Falken Ziex 502 in 205-60-13. I wonder if they're available in the US?:
http://www.camskill.co.uk/products.php?plid=m4b0s375p2243

[reznunt]

Trust me -- if I had the cash now, I'd buy them at your "store." :thumbup:

They only thing I'd worry about is sidewall flex. With a nice, sticky, street tire, the sidewalls are still pretty stiff. On the currently available 205-60-13s, I'm afraid they're not high performance enough (minus the R compounds) for my liking. I've got Yokohama AVS ES100s in a 205-50-16 now and they're great. I don't mind our 205-50-15 Falken Ziex 15s either.

BTW, they don't seem to make the G/T Qualifier in that size anymore. http://dunloptires.com/dunlop/display_tire.jsp?prodline=G/T+Qualifier&mrktarea=Performance

EDIT: Falken Ziex 502 in 205-60-13. I wonder if they're available in the US?:
http://www.camskill.co.uk/products.php?plid=m4b0s375p2243


for the cooper cobras, the sidewall flex isn't much of an issue compared to the stickiness... or lack of stickiness. these tires weren't meant for anything but getting groceries. i wonder what's less sticky, these cobras or cold ra1's.

i saw those 502's also but i couldn't find them online.

[03Z33]

Handling is really nice with the RA1's and for me they are cheap enough and last long enough to use daily. If I was going to track these I'd probably get some Hoosiers or Kumho R-Compounds or some Yokohama race slicks. The nice thing about 13's is you can always find slightly used race tires for cheap since a lot of the pro racers and autocrossers run this sizing and they change tires after every few track days.

[Thirty-Nine]

Unfortunately, I don't think it'd be practical for me to run the RA1s up here in Oregon due to the cool temps (especially in the morning).

[reznunt]

Handling is really nice with the RA1's and for me they are cheap enough and last long enough to use daily. If I was going to track these I'd probably get some Hoosiers or Kumho R-Compounds or some Yokohama race slicks. The nice thing about 13's is you can always find slightly used race tires for cheap since a lot of the pro racers and autocrossers run this sizing and they change tires after every few track days.

since you are in the circle, got any good sources for race takeoffs? i want some a048's!

[03Z33]

I wouldn't really call those "race tires" most people running A048 are using them up on street/weekend track cars or using them as rain tires for amateur races. If you hangout at the track enough or at the race prep shops your bound to come up with some barely used slicks off some formula cars... I'll let you know next time I find a set :thumbsup:

[reznunt]

I wouldn't really call those "race tires" most people running A048 are using them up on street/weekend track cars or using them as rain tires for amateur races. If you hangout at the track enough or at the race prep shops your bound to come up with some barely used slicks off some formula cars... I'll let you know next time I find a set :thumbsup:

ya, that's what i was looking for, take-offs from a weekend autocrosser that i could possibly use on the street. i have no use for full slicks. but let me know if you see anything that's streetable! tia

[Thirty-Nine]

I wouldn't really call those "race tires" most people running A048 are using them up on street/weekend track cars or using them as rain tires for amateur races. If you hangout at the track enough or at the race prep shops your bound to come up with some barely used slicks off some formula cars... I'll let you know next time I find a set :thumbsup:

While they might not be race tires, they probably wouldn't be a good choice for me since it's like 50 degrees here in the mornings durring the summer and in the fall, it only gets into the upper 50s. I simply wish Yokohama made the AVS ES100s in that size. Then again, if I could sell my Rays wheels, I might still pick up a set with the Coopers or the Sumitomos. As I mentioned, my Cooper Cobra GTs were a decent daily driver tire.

[Imagine]

While they might not be race tires, they probably wouldn't be a good choice for me since it's like 50 degrees here in the mornings durring the summer and in the fall, it only gets into the upper 50s. I simply wish Yokohama made the AVS ES100s in that size. Then again, if I could sell my Rays wheels, I might still pick up a set with the Coopers or the Sumitomos. As I mentioned, my Cooper Cobra GTs were a decent daily driver tire.

You must drive like a NUT! :laugh:

[Thirty-Nine]

Not at all. But the RA1s have an Operating Temperature range from 140°F to 220°F, optimum around 200°F. This means you have to get them pretty warm to have any good grip. I want tires that are going to handle well without having to warm them up. For me, RA1s are not great daily driver tires. Yet, the Cooper Cobras don't provide enough grip for the occational autocross or "spirited driving" run.

[Imagine]

I guess that's probably why most people have spare wheels for AutoX. It's hard to find a good mix of long lasting/sporty tires.

[Thirty-Nine]

I don't know if I'd say most people have take-offs for autocross. I think it's fair to say some people do, especially people that are really into it. I'm not a hard-core autocrosser, though. I do like to take my daily driver around the track a few times, but don't want to invest the money into dedicated wheels and tires, which is why I look for a good balence. Plus, i don't want to run "marshmellows" on the street, either. I want something that'll be okay for everyday use and spirited driving plus the occational autocross. I'm rambling.

I will say this: Cooper Cobra G/Ts are by far NOT the worst tire I've ever owned. Ditto with Sumitomos (granted, I had the HTRZII which was a z-rated compound, and not an all-season tire).

[2006fronty]

:tongue:I know I'm bringing this thread back from the dead lol. Any updates on the Lenso VPD wheels 03Z33? I wouldn't mind getting a set since they're pretty cheap. Do you have any more pictures of them on the Yaris? Reznunt's pics don't show up anymore:frown: This is the only other pic I can find

[Gideon]

Here's one pic of his car, kinda dark so hard to see the tires:

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/12/web/2436000-2436999/2436283_51_full.jpg

[Mouse]

The problems with the Lenso VPD is that they bend easily and are only recommended for racing. They can't hold up to daily driving.....from what I've heard other people tell me.

[Mouse]

I'm bringing this back from the dead....Any more pics of the VPD's on the yaris? And before anyone tells me to search....I did. The only pics I can see are the ones of mojoyaris and the pic that 2006fronty posted above. I would like to see more pics of them on daily tires not race rubber.

[cali yaris]

Sorry, not that I've seen. I do have pics of Compomotives 13x9 on my car (with race rubber), and I have a set of V2's (13x8) in stock.

[blacksandiegovitz]

Sorry, not that I've seen. I do have pics of Compomotives 13x9 on my car (with race rubber), and I have a set of V2's (13x8) in stock.

What color are those , I remember them being flat black ??? also Pm me a price for said wheels , been looking for the lightest/cheapest wheels for auto-x and these fit the bill perfectly

[cali yaris]

they are about $155 each. Matte or Satin black is closer, is has a little bit of shine in it.