Gun owners

[umm_bacon]

Any gun owners on here? I should preface that with RESPONSIBLE, gun owners. I find that the few firearm forums I have looked at are full of crazy assholes with little dicks. I figured that there might be some responsible shooters on here that aren't jack asses.

If so what do you shoot? Where do you shoot? Any competition shooters around?

[eTiMaGo]

I have a bunch of BB guns if that counts :biggrin:

As for real guns, nah... though I like to go to a shooting range every now and then... Firing an M16 on full auto is a lot harder than it looks in the movies :biggrin:

[umm_bacon]

Firing an M16 on full auto is a lot harder than it looks in the movies :biggrin:

I have only had the pleasure of the M16A2. Three round bursts are fun, but I'd like to try an M16 on full auto.

What are the laws in Thailand?

[eTiMaGo]

I have only had the pleasure of the M16A2. Three round bursts are fun, but I'd like to try an M16 on full auto.

What are the laws in Thailand?

TBH I'm not quite sure... you normally need to apply for a license which takes a week or so maybe? But that's for handguns, I have no idea of the requirements for automatic weapons... Certainly not gonna be easy :biggrin:

I actually only fired 5 rounds in the M16, the range charges a LOT for each round!

[umm_bacon]

They probably wouldn't have one, but next time you go you should see if you can rent a Beretta CX4. It is a 9mm carbine that every indoor range I've been to allows you to shoot on the 25'. I bought one of those a while back and have been trying to sing their praise to any one that will listen.

[nqd]

I have a couple of guns.... *points to biceps*

[YamilR]

Beretta PX4 .40
Beretta 90-Two .40
Desert Eagle XIX 50AE
Mossberg 500
Colt M4

[slvryaris]

Springfiled XD 9mm
Ithaca 12 ga.
Glock .40

[blueskana]

Had a bushmaster m4A3 for a while, then a Springfield XD-SC .40, and a bunch back home on the Cape. Currently without, but I went out with my friend and cranked off some rounds on his cx4 at an indoor range... that thing rocked! What a fun, well bahaved and smooth cycling weapon! You could really click them off at a good rate of fire with excellent shot groups every time. Variants such as these and other bull-pull platforms are long overdue to be the benchmark for all assualt rifles/pistol hybrids. It's amazing it's taken this long; the benefits and charactoristics are phenominal.
cx4's rock.

[death is my gift]

I don't have a gun....yet. I really want one for the apartment, for protection. It's just me and the girlfriend. I'm not sure which kind to get. I know how to shoot. I grew up in Louisiana shooting cute and furry little animals. Plus, my dad use to take me to the range. He thought since he had guns in the house rather than lock them up he taught me how to handle and respect them at a young age. He got me a pellet gun (big power right?) for my 12th birthday. My mom was pissed. hahahaha

I'm one of those people who won't be afraid to shoot a bitch. You break into my home to harm myself or my girl, that's your ass.

[redyaris]

Everyone that owns a firearm should be a regular gun range attendee. I shoot mine at the range all the time. Love putting holes in the target's cerebrum.

[YarisTom73]

I just have an old 12 guage single-shot, my mother hand-finished the stock for Xmas one year; I also have an old .22 bolt-action that I inherited form my grandfather. That one we use to shoot up bottles and cans, although it's been a year or so since the last time we were out. Fun stuff! :biggrin:

[SailDesign]

Winchester52B target rifle (.22)
20-ga shotgun, traditional side-by-side style, none o'that new-fangled over-under stuff here!

[YamilR]

I don't have a gun....yet. I really want one for the apartment, for protection. It's just me and the girlfriend. I'm not sure which kind to get. I know how to shoot. I grew up in Louisiana shooting cute and furry little animals. Plus, my dad use to take me to the range. He thought since he had guns in the house rather than lock them up he taught me how to handle and respect them at a young age. He got me a pellet gun (big power right?) for my 12th birthday. My mom was pissed. hahahaha

I'm one of those people who won't be afraid to shoot a bitch. You break into my home to harm myself or my girl, that's your ass.

Here is a suggestion

http://www.impactguns.com/store/725327312994.html

[fnkngrv]

I would love to get my hands on a Mark-19...

[death is my gift]

Here is a suggestion

http://www.impactguns.com/store/725327312994.html

Well fuck.....

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Gotta wait til I get home.

[YamilR]

TAURUS 745B 45ACP MILLENNIUM PRO COMPACT BLUE
Price: $306.99
Manufacturer: TAURUS INTERNATIONAL
Manufacturer Item #: 745B
Impact Item #: 725327312994
In stock, ships in 5-7 business days.

[slvryaris]

You could go cheap and get a $150 Hi-Point which would be like a .40 or .45. The 9mm is sugg retail price of $130:thumbup:



NO I do not own one, but they are cheap and have a lifetime warranty. My uncle had one and the sights were way off out the box and he sent it back to them and they put a whole new barrel and the night sights for nothing, and gave him 2 extra clips.

[sherryberry]

I'd love to get a gun. I have never shot one before and I'd definitely do some practice shooting at the range before getting one. But before that, I need to get a gun permit... just haven't had the time yet.

[YamilR]

You could go cheap and get a $150 Hi-Point which would be like a .40 or .45. The 9mm is sugg retail price of $130:thumbup:



NO I do not own one, but they are cheap and have a lifetime warranty. My uncle had one and the sights were way off out the box and he sent it back to them and they put a whole new barrel and the night sights for nothing, and gave him 2 extra clips.

How about I take a dump and sell it for $150...and I do offer a lifetime warranty

[umm_bacon]

Beretta PX4 .40


My dad has a 9mm and it is pretty nice...

Springfiled XD 9mm


The PX4 doesn't compare to the XD9. Unless you are buying an HK or something that costs x2, you simply can't beat the Springfield. My opinion. I have one so I am a bit biased.

I don't have a gun....yet. I really want one for the apartment, for protection. It's just me and the girlfriend. I'm not sure which kind to get. I know how to shoot. I grew up in Louisiana shooting cute and furry little animals. Plus, my dad use to take me to the range. He thought since he had guns in the house rather than lock them up he taught me how to handle and respect them at a young age. He got me a pellet gun (big power right?) for my 12th birthday. My mom was pissed. hahahaha

I'm one of those people who won't be afraid to shoot a bitch. You break into my home to harm myself or my girl, that's your ass.

Get a cheap pump action 20 gauge shot gun. If you are interested in primarily home defense, nothing works better. I myself am in it for the sending of paper targets to hell and training for the day zombies walk the earth, but if you are looking to stop a baddie intent on harming you or a loved one, chambering a round alone is enough to sway mosts' bad intentions.

[umm_bacon]

I'd love to get a gun. I have never shot one before and I'd definitely do some practice shooting at the range before getting one. But before that, I need to get a gun permit... just haven't had the time yet.

If you are interested, go to a range. Most all will rent guns. Being a lady, you could easily get away with asking to shoot other peoples. What ever you do don't start out with anything more than a 9mm. Some guy will insist that you try out a .357 or a 45, but get the feel of the experience with a 22 or 9mm.

I am about as left wing as they come (most traditionally anti-gun), but a while back my sister was wanting to shoot a semi auto so we went to the range. Year or so later and I have 4 guns and hit up the range nearly every week. I have also taken many women that have never shot and are afraid of guns, and if you avoid the Dirty Harry types, it really can be about as much fun as you can legally have with your pants on.

Springfield XD 9mm
Beretta CX4 9mm
Ruger Mark III 22
Old-Ass-No-Longer-Made 4-10

[sherryberry]

I looked into shooting ranges but they want me to have a gun license first.. so i gotta get that before I do anything else.

[umm_bacon]

I guess that is one of the benefits of living in Kansas. You need nothing other than a driver's license to rent from a range, and only have to pass the back ground check to buy a gun. I figured every place was like that. Except for Texas where I think they can fine you if you don't have a gun...

[fnkngrv]

I would love to get my hands on a MK-19...These are a blast to fire...I have wondered if they have any civilian ranges that have them....

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/43/MK19-02.jpg
The Mk 19 fires 40 mm grenades at a cyclic rate of 325 to 375 rounds per minute, giving a practical rate of fire of 60 rounds per minute (rapid) and 40 rounds per minute (sustained). The weapon operates on the blowback principle, which uses the chamber pressure from each fired round to load and re-cock the weapon. The Mk 19 is able to lob its grenade at a maximum distance of 2,212 meters, though its effective range for a point target is about 1,500 meters, since the large rear leaf sight is only graduated to 1500 meters. The nearest safe distance to launch the grenade is 75 meters. In addition, the Mk 19's flash suppressor and its lack of smoke during firing makes it difficult for enemies to spot and counter it. For night operation, an AN/TVS-5 night vision sight can be fitted.


If you wanted to see a cool video of one check it out...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpXN7FetkUQ&mode=related&search=


I had all kinds of fun firing these while Active Duty...

[sherryberry]

I guess that is one of the benefits of living in Kansas. You need nothing other than a driver's license to rent from a range, and only have to pass the back ground check to buy a gun. I figured every place was like that. Except for Texas where I think they can fine you if you don't have a gun...

nah.. here in IL, gotta pay $5 to get a firearms permit and they gotta do the whole background check and all that. If you get caught carry a weapon with no permit, pretty sure you could get arrested.

[blueskana]

XD's rock... I miss mine. $5 and a background check? Not too bad. And for home defense, 1+ on the shot gun. You don't even have to aim, if you miss it won't go through the wall and hit your neighbors, the sound of a round being chambered will pretty much give an intruder the sh*ts.... plus they are fun to shoot: "Paper target go bye-bye!!!". Typically cheap to boot and utterly reliable.
When you get better at shooting it, jump to a 12ga magnum, XX turkey choke and #4 shot.... alternating with double-00.... heh, heh, heh.... BOOM!!!

[eTiMaGo]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/43/MK19-02.jpg
The Mk 19 fires 40 mm grenades at a cyclic rate of 325 to 375 rounds per minute, giving a practical rate of fire of 60 rounds per minute (rapid) and 40 rounds per minute (sustained). The weapon operates on the blowback principle, which uses the chamber pressure from each fired round to load and re-cock the weapon. The Mk 19 is able to lob its grenade at a maximum distance of 2,212 meters, though its effective range for a point target is about 1,500 meters, since the large rear leaf sight is only graduated to 1500 meters. The nearest safe distance to launch the grenade is 75 meters. In addition, the Mk 19's flash suppressor and its lack of smoke during firing makes it difficult for enemies to spot and counter it. For night operation, an AN/TVS-5 night vision sight can be fitted.


If you wanted to see a cool video of one check it out...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpXN7FetkUQ&mode=related&search=


I had all kinds of fun firing these while Active Duty...

Roof mounted on a Yaris? :biggrin:

[blueskana]

I think the recoil is like 800 ft.lbs...... "60 mph, BOOM, BOOM, BOOM, 5 mph"
Ha, ha, haa....

[eTiMaGo]

so shoot backwards! better than NOS

[blueskana]

:bellyroll:

[eTiMaGo]

gets rid of tailgaters VERY efficiently too

[blueskana]

You could solve a) power/accelaration b) tailgaters and c) "Stupid small cars!" disrespect with just the pull of a trigger!!!

[eTiMaGo]

Man, if Toyota had thought of that, the Yaris would be the best selling car in the US right now...

[blueskana]

:laugh:
It's all up to you then bro; next GB!

[slvryaris]

:headbang:I knew that was coming:headbang:. Thats why I have a Springfield and a Glock and gonna get a Sig. I take it you know your guns. :respekt:


How about I take a dump and sell it for $150...and I do offer a lifetime warranty

[fnkngrv]

I think the recoil is like 800 ft.lbs...... "60 mph, BOOM, BOOM, BOOM, 5 mph"
Ha, ha, haa....
:bellyroll: :bellyroll: :bellyroll: :laughabove: :laughabove: :laughabove:

[fnkngrv]

I have:
1962 Smith and Wesson .22 caliber pistol
1967 30-30
1997 .357 Desert Eagle
Custom 98 Tipmann with response trigger, cold chamber, and the Pig

[umm_bacon]

Custom 98 Tippmann with response trigger, cold chamber, and the Pig

The ultimate in personal safety

[Yaris Revenge]

I've been looking at getting one for awhile now. Our neighborhood has slowly become more and more populated by "Latinos" due to an unpatrolled park that's spitting distance from my door. They haven't caused any trouble, but suddenly graffiti is a common problem, and cars can be found parked in the shadows well after midnight. My whole area is populated by 70% little old women, which tend to make easy targets. I'm just waiting for shit to start happening.

Note that I have nothing against Latinos. I've worked with a lot of them, and for the most part they're great people. But we crackers don't have have a rep for gang activity, now do we?

For now, my arsenal of sharp objects (swords, daggers, warhammers, etc. :biggrin:) will have to do until I can come up with some spare cash, and convince my wife we need one. She's terrified of firearms. Also, I can't make up my mind which would serve me better: shotgun or handgun?

~YR

[sherryberry]

i've always wanted to shoot the tires off of a tailgater and any moron that speeds 70 in a 45..

[eTiMaGo]

actually... when I was a kid I drew up mental plans for a nail gun turret mounted under the car, that can be aimed by the passenger to shoot out other peoples' tires... :evil:

[sherryberry]

and why did this plan not materialize? lol i'd get one from ya! although, not sure how much the police officers might like that... some police officers can be the worse tailgaters.

[eTiMaGo]

they'd never see the turret, it's under the car and retractable!

[redyaris]

Ok if you're talking personal safety its not real practical to lug around a submachine gun or simply toss a nuke at an intruder or predator:drool:

A little advice for the ladies here. My wife is equipped with the following:

'.380 ACP' pistol for her insanely small purse. Commonly referred to as a 'short 9mm' it offers small size and low recoil but it's extremely short ranged and has marginal 'stopping power' (the ability to put your assailant on the ground).

At home we have a 9MM Ruger with 3 clips (1 of these holds 20 rounds, got it at a gun show...the clip extends 3 inches outside the pistol frame...heh). I added a laser sight for nightime usage (when most breakins occur).

Although I have to say i'm not a fan of the 9's because the bullet will bore a hole through an attacker due to the extreme velocity, so I can't say i recommend it to you girls. My local friendly Police Officer told me this from personal experience...

Since we are in our cars a lot I put the best of all in there. We both roll with .45 ACP in both our glove boxes. The .45 is standard issue for most Police Department patrol officers and is one of the world's more effective combat pistol cartridges, one that combines very good accuracy and stopping power for use against human targets.

The .45 cartridge also has relatively low muzzle blast and flash, as well as moderate recoil. It is a low-velocity round so when flesh is hit its more likely to stay put and induce more internal bleeding and organ damage.

In any pistol you should exclusively utilize 'hollow point' ammunition that has a pit, or hollowed out shape, in its tip, generally intended to cause the bullet to expand upon entrance and shred/rip tissue as it travels. As a side effect, hollow-point bullets can even offer improved accuracy by shifting the center of gravity of the bullet rearwards. assisting even novice gun users to hit the 'sweet spot' of the forehead.

Keep em guessing ladies and good luck.:evil:

[sherryberry]

Thanks for the tips, redyaris.

In IL though.. we're not allowed to carry concealed weapon so we're not allowed to have a gun hidden away in our glove box.. or so I've been told. So make sure you know your state's gun laws well before packing heat heh

[redyaris]

Thanks for the tips, redyaris.

In IL though.. we're not allowed to carry concealed weapon so we're not allowed to have a gun hidden away in our glove box.. or so I've been told. So make sure you know your state's gun laws well before packing heat heh

I know in GA the glove box is ok, as well as FL. This is not considered to be concealed.

If you tuck the firearm next to you in the seat thats illegal and not considered to be concealed even with a permit.

Also if you ever get pulled over always tell the officer that there is a gun in the car AND DONT REACH FOR IT.

[Yaris Revenge]

Red, correct me if I'm wrong, but we can't keep them loaded in the glovebox, right? I was thinking the ammo had to be separate. Unless of course you have the actual "conceal and carry" license...

~YR

[YamilR]

check the website http://www.handgunlaw.us/ and they have all the rules and regulations by state and also links to get your CCW. In Florida if you don't have the permit the weapon has to be secured and not withing reaching distance of the driver but it can be loaded

[umm_bacon]

Unless you have a CC, it is illegal to have a loaded gun. Even having loaded magazines in the car is illegal, in Kansas at least. Traveling with a firearm is generally a bad idea. I think that CC is a joke anyway, as I have personally seen a licensed fire arms trainer shoot himself in the foot while talking to me outside of the range. Loaded guns means trouble for you statistically speaking. In controlled environments (a range) that is still risky, however, much safer than just out in public or at home. Statistically speaking there is no good reason to carry a loaded weapon anywhere. You are much more likely to shoot yourself or a child to shoot him/herself with a loaded gun in the house, than an armed intruded. Many times over.

[redyaris]

Unless you have a CC, it is illegal to have a loaded gun. Even having loaded magazines in the car is illegal, in Kansas at least. Traveling with a firearm is generally a bad idea. I think that CC is a joke anyway, as I have personally seen a licensed fire arms trainer shoot himself in the foot while talking to me outside of the range. Loaded guns means trouble for you statistically speaking. In controlled environments (a range) that is still risky, however, much safer than just out in public or at home. Statistically speaking there is no good reason to carry a loaded weapon anywhere. You are much more likely to shoot yourself or a child to shoot him/herself with a loaded gun in the house, than an armed intruded. Many times over.

Sorry bacon I disagree. I don't want to be at the mercy of an intruder by not having some form of self protection other than a baseball bat.

When you say loaded are you referring to just a loaded clip or having a live round in the chamber? There is a difference.

[redyaris]

Red, correct me if I'm wrong, but we can't keep them loaded in the glovebox, right? I was thinking the ammo had to be separate. Unless of course you have the actual "conceal and carry" license...

~YR

YR check this site that Yamil posted:

http://www.handgunlaw.us/documents/USRVCarCarry.pdf

All 50 US state laws addressing carrying a gun in a car are covered there.

[umm_bacon]

I wont debate the CC thing because that is like abortion for many people. For me I like shooting paper targets and produce; with an occasional animal thrown in the mix. I don't have guns for protection. I understand many do, and as long as you are responsible, more power to you.

From what I understand, traveling with a loaded clip is a no-no in Kansas. Just to be safe, anytime I am going somewhere with bad intentions towards a watermelon, I put the firearms in the trunk and ammo in the back seat. That can not possible cause you problems with Deputy Dawg.

I know that I said that I wouldn't debate, but just FYI in most states, even if you shoot a robber, there is a damn good chance that you can be criminally prosecuted, in addition to a guaranteed civil suit. Unless you live in Texas where you can shoot a Girl Scout if she looks at you funny on your land. I worked with a guy that unloaded a magazine in a robber and he is doing time for "protecting" himself. Something to think about. I am not saying that is right, but it does happen.

[YamilR]

Q. When can I use my handgun to protect myself?

A. Florida law justifies use of deadly force when you are:

* Trying to protect yourself or another person from death or serious bodily harm;
* Trying to prevent a forcible felony, such as rape, robbery, burglary or kidnapping.

Using or displaying a handgun in any other circumstances could result in your conviction for crimes such as improper exhibition of a firearm, manslaughter, or worse.

[umm_bacon]

Hey I ain't trying to start shite with you. I think that the desire to CC is a personal thing, and can raise emotions when being talked about. I have also gone rounds with folks on a gun forum about the statistics of accidental shootings and such; got none of us anywhere.

Moral of the story, I still own guns and enjoy doing so. In the interest of me not pissing off people...have you shot a FN FS2000? I love the Beretta carbine and thought that a 223 would be even better. They are just too damn expensive.

[redyaris]

Lets say that FL and TX are similar it seems on protecting your property.

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0776/SEC013.HTM&Title=-%3E2005-%3ECh0776-%3ESection%20013#0776.013

In 2005 Florida passed an amendment to its deadly force laws saying a homeowner did not have the duty to 'retreat' in the face of imminent threat.

If you like to shoot fruit fine but i've never read of armed watermelons killing anyone where I lived. (This includes the worst parts of Atlanta, Birmingham and now Orlando btw).

[slvryaris]

Indiana is no holds barred. I know people that carry them in Wal Mart on their sides locked and loaded. I didnt know about the messed up gun laws in some of these states.

[umm_bacon]

And just how many times have you had to defend yourself with deadly force in the mean streets there killer?

None

Fear mongering and paranoia more often than not end up with people discharging a weapon on accident or getting drunk and doing something really dumb. I am not just saying this. It is a fact.

[redyaris]

I'm a hardcore Democrat but if there is one issue I side with the Republicans on its the right to bear arms and self protection.

Perhaps if the laws allowed it, some of the senseless 'random' acts of violence
(mass killings (VA Tech for example), child abductions/deaths, carjackings, etc...) we've seen in recent years could/would have been prevented when the Police weren't readily available.

[umm_bacon]

Maybe...that is a valid argument, but the more folks that have guns with them will just translate to more incidents of violence, intentional or otherwise.

Again, I really didn't mean for this to turn into a debate or pissing match or anything...I will keep my trap shut and go send some apples to hell from 75 feet.

[redyaris]

And just how many times have you had to defend yourself with deadly force in the mean streets there killer?

None

Fear mongering and paranoia more often than not end up with people discharging a weapon on accident or getting drunk and doing something really dumb. I am not just saying this. It is a fact.

Ok i was trying to be polite bacon but now you want to start taking it down a notch...

I'll ask you the same question since you threw that out fruit assasin. I've never had to kill anyone but i like being ready to the best of my ability. Hopefully going to the range to shoot legally regularly and knowing how to properly handle a gun lawfully will somewhat prepare me for the day when its either me or a waste of life 6 feet under. A split second decision.

Its interesting how someone how professes to own guns opposes the right to self protection????? And if you're inferring i'm getting drunk with any weapon then you're in the wrong trailer park.

[umm_bacon]

Lighten up there...didn't mean anything by that. You win. Do as you wish as long as it is inside of the law. Hell do otherwise, that is your deal. I am just saying that I have seen enough folks get shot (two was enough for me) and well...those were both accidents that shouldn't have happened. Any way...

Did you really have to say something about #12? I know he sucks, he knows he sucks...leave it at that. Not the best year for the Tigers...but South Florida, serious?

[redyaris]

Lighten up there...didn't mean anything by that. You win. Do as you wish as long as it is inside of the law. Hell do otherwise, that is your deal. I am just saying that I have seen enough folks get shot (two was enough for me) and well...those were both accidents that shouldn't have happened. Any way...

Did you really have to say something about #12? I know he sucks, he knows he sucks...leave it at that. Not the best year for the Tigers...but South Florida, serious?

I thought the Brandon Cox quote was harsh so i deleted it. See I do have a heart.

No problem bacon. I'm not debating to 'win' btw just defending a viewpoint.

See mods, civil debates can result in unlocked threads.

[umm_bacon]

I thought the Brandon Cox quote was harsh so i deleted it. See I do have a heart.

Thank you...it is just going to get worse, so save that one for later in the year.
@ Florida
@Arkansas
@LSU
@Georgia
At least they get Bama at home...

Son of a...

[eTiMaGo]

I worked with a guy that unloaded a magazine in a robber and he is doing time for "protecting" himself. Something to think about. I am not saying that is right, but it does happen.

That's true, my mom has a good friend in jail in Georgia for shooting two robbers, though one of them died. :iono:

[slvryaris]

Thats crazy. Was the robber armed in anyway?? I always liked the motto "It's better to have one and not need it then to not have one and need it" Mean streets is funny. Ya I laugh at the people that carry everywhere they go. I dont do that. I just like going to the range.

[eTiMaGo]

It's a long and convoluted story... the guy's house was raided by the police looking for drugs or something, and they shot his dog, and didn't find anything... So the guy started a lawsuit against the police, and a week later, he gets robbed, shoots the robbers in self-defense (that's what he claims, who really knows?), and has been rotting in jail over a year now.

Personally I'm weird... I like guns, the engineering, the thrill of shooting, yet I wouldn't want to own one or use one outside of a shooting range. So much that can go wrong, I guess!

[sherryberry]

the only thing i'd ever shoot at is bottles or at a range if i get a gun.

These days, the law is so corrupt that you'd get thrown in jail even if you're defending yourself.

[SailDesign]

Personally I'm weird... I like guns, the engineering, the thrill of shooting, yet I wouldn't want to own one or use one outside of a shooting range. So much that can go wrong, I guess!

I'm with you on that one. I love taking targets apart, and I love clay-shooting with the 20-guage.
I read a book by someone who hunted a lot, and he was getting fed up with always being asked at parties "Why do you lke hunting?" His favourite answer (for the especially annoying folks) was "I just love to hear the solid "thwack!" of a bullet hitting flesh".
Personally, you can keep the "thwack!" - I love the "per-chink" of the bullet hitting the backstop. :smile:

[DeliciousYaris2007]

I don't own any yet. I was told a Ruger 10/22 would be a good starting point. But that was one opinion. I'm still waiting for more :biggrin:

I'm also anxious for that 21st year, so I can have me some hand guns :wink: lol

[SailDesign]

Buying a 10/22 rather than a bolt-action is like buying an automatic Yaris instead of a stick. :tongue:

[sherryberry]

I don't own any yet. I was told a Ruger 10/22 would be a good starting point. But that was one opinion. I'm still waiting for more :biggrin:

I'm also anxious for that 21st year, so I can have me some hand guns :wink: lol

you have to be 21 to get a gun??

and when is that 21st year coming along?

[bahstonguy]

If I told you what I was packing, then the bad guys would know too. I'll answer with "No comment"